I said I was done, but I just wanted to say this.

perhaps you have a friend who's in dire need of a job, and you know that hes fluent and would be more than willing to take the job.

remove 1 word...."Chinese", and voila...its now a sign for gambling addiction that just happens to be in Chinese(hopefully with some English at the bottom saying gambling addiction call 604-555-5555), its not singling out brown/white/European people. the sign is in Chinese that's all, as long as it has English or French, I don't feel excluded or unwelcomed. it may be directed at a specific target, but that one word makes me feel excluded from not being able to get help if I needed it. if a white person can read the sign and he sees it saying "gambling addiction for Chinese", don't you think that's a bit wrong? can he call the lady up and show up in her office and get help with him being white? can I show up looking for help with me not being able to speak a lick of Chinese?

you do know the organization that put up the ad is S.U.C.C.E.S.S.

"S.U.C.C.E.S.S., our primary service delivery entity, was founded in 1973 and incorporated in 1974 as a non-profit charitable organization. Initially founded to assist new Canadians of Chinese descent to overcome language and cultural barriers."

if you called the number or showed up, they'd tell you to call another number or direct you to somewhere else. they aren't here to serve you. their business is oriented around chinese immigrants that can't communicate in english. their resources are specialized to cater to chinese speakers that don't know english.

you understand that right? you're not their target. they're here to help chinese FOBs.

I'm sure if you were a white guy born and raised in china, and you immigrated here and you could read chinese and called that number, they'd help you out due to your language barrier. but you're not.

Just in a sense of acquiring help, I don't recall any other language than English being on the notice along the lines of "know your limit, play within it" with hotlines and programs for addiction gambling upon entering the casino nor do I see any other languages other than English on PlayNow/lottery tickets/scratch cards. In addition, addiction gambling is quite a prominent issue among the Chinese community. So, with the lack of reach the Chinese are getting, this ad seems quite reasonably fair.

Now, you may suggest them to learn English etcetcetc, but what the point if your offspring is more than likely going to/already know English? (I can see that in 1-2 generations from now, that majority of people in Richmond won't understand Chinese as much anyway because of this)

If anything you people should be upset that it's racist against Chinese people stereotyping them as problem gamblers

why would you expect to see a different language on a scratch card/casino/lottery ticket? this is Canada, therefor its in English and French as the dominant language as it should be.

as for your last point, yes, I will agree with you on that in the sense that it is very possible that could happen. as young adults right now grow older, they'll most likely be teaching their kids English as they'll need it to be in school. as those kids grow up, their kids will learn English. small stores will close down and be reopened with new ones. I do not care if they speak English or not. what I care about is the ease of access I have in my country. I shouldn't have to look up google translate while walking down a street or while trying to order off a menu that doesn't have pictures to easily point at.

The casino doesn't care nor do I expect them to. I actually agree that the casino's shouldn't be put upon this issue. Its the fact there there isn't any reach for immigrants, which is why programs like this are offered from SUCCESS.

I'm a first generation Chinese Canadian here as well, and I can assure you that I myself can't read or write any Chinese as well. However, it'd be nice if I did pick up on it but in reality, that's a long shot (even longer shot for my future offsprings).

Non white people are going to argue that this is targeting them to merge into the cultural white norm.

But this has nothing to do with white vs other. This is about immigration to a new country and keeping your cultural identity while living in another culture. For example when my family moved here from Norway three generations ago yes we moved into a Scandinavian populated area but we had to learn English just as any foreign immigrant must.

We didn't just go around creating texts only Scandinavians could read.

Since this is Canada could they not just put a small line at the top or bottom in English/French that explains what the ad is for? I'd be less likely to get annoyed by an ad I can't read if I at least know what it's for and that there's a decent reason why it isn't in English.

Except all the lotto tickets, etc are in English/French. I would wager they're going on the assumption that people in Canada using English/French lotto tickets and slot machines can speak either English or French.

You guys are too attached to the notion of having pride for your country. We’re living on a plot of land called Canada where like every other country, the borders are imaginary lines drawn in by people based on the economic situation at the time of formation. You guys strongly want to preserve Canada’s “culture” because of this weird nationalistic attachment to what you think Canada should be like. At a time in history where our world is more global than ever before, hanging on to what you think Canada should be like is not only stupid as fuck but also destructive because it mirrors racism, sexism, xenophobia, and other stupid ass beliefs. In fact, it IS being xenophobic.

Going as far as wanting private businesses to have English signs shows only xenophobia and racism. Basically, you want to force private businesses to have English signage under the guise of building a stronger community when it’s just so you feel better. If there’s a restaurant that advertises only in Chinese, they’re losing out on a ton of potential customers and that’s the risk they’re taking. That said, they must also suffer the consequences. If no one goes there, they’ll be forced to shut down but if they’re popular, they’ll survive. It’s their call. You want to force people to spend extra money to hire translators and wherever, affecting their survival, just so you don’t feel annoyed? If you don’t understand, just don’t go into the store.

And just stfu about wanting people to learn English and assimilate. What if they don’t want to? Again, whatever they do, they will suffer the consequences of their actions. Maybe they choose not to learn English and lose out on a potentially good job. Stop trying to impose your egotistical beliefs on someone else. Just live and let live.

Also, Ulic is the man.

You know what's xenophobic? You know what's racist? Is the complete exclusion and unnacceptance of a language or culture other than your own.


Nobody is saying take down signs in Chinese. What everyone is saying is that at least have both foreign AND local forms of communication be made available.

But what are the pro-Chinese-only arguments really saying? Yeah, who are the real racist and xenophobes here?

They don't have to assimilate, they just have to not be a prick and learn some basic English. It's not racist to tell someone they need to put up English signage, racism would be telling them they can ONLY have English signage.

You complain about Canadians having pride, yet you have no problem with people trying to create mini versions of their former countries over here? If their language and culture is so much better than that of Canada, to the point where they put absolutely no effort into learning English or French or trying to understand local customs, then they are more than welcome to go back where they came from. After all, if it's so much better, why are they slumming it over here anyways?

It would seem as though you are stating that we should fracture into ever differing single language/cultural sections, basically splitting Canada up into multiple countries or micro-utopias, so every person who moves out from their old country can rebuild the same thing here.

Do you have any idea of how bad this would effect the economy? Each micro-utopia would have to be able to fully support them selves as no two micro-utopias would be able to understand one another. When communication
slows down productivity slows down.

This would also reinforce hate between the individual communities because we no longer have the blanket of being a joint country, and every one is living in their social/racial micro-utopias.

There is a reason that one language in a country works so well. There is also a reason why Canada is ranked in the top 25 countries to live in, and that's why reinforcing being Canadian is important, because those cliches and cultural Ideologies make this country beautiful.

Should Chinese-only Crest toothpaste ad concern Richmond residents? - British Columbia - CBC News

looks like this is back on the news again...

i dont get this, why would p&g offer ads just in chinese

What I don't get is why this Kerry Starchuck chick keeps stirring up shit.
We've been through this already as long as the ad are privately funded, there is nothing wrong with advertisement target specific ethnic groups of people.
If statistic shows that 80% of the people in Richmond read Chinese (not sure on the accuracy of Stat but just as an example), then having an ad in Chinese is a good business decision.
It'd be a different story if the ad was publicly funded.
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Starchuck sounds like a racist cunt

chinese people like to group together, so it looks like majoratiy of richmond is chinese, im sure 80% of richmond is not chinese

I know the stat may not be accurate
but all i am saying is that a private company should be able to dictate their marketing based on target market and their effective reach.

in the case of the CGA ad (in the video) or the custom home sign, they are targeting either Chinese speaking clients or Chinese foreign investors, there is nothing wrong with doing that, it is their own loss if they accidently alienate a loaded english speaking investor, but as a private company thats their choice to make

in P&G's case, if their marketing research team thinks that more chinese speaking people will see that particular bus sign vs. non-chinese speaking people, then it makes good business sense to have the ad in chinese.

i guess someone forgot to tell p&g that chinese ppl in over here dont take buses, they drive expensive cars with bad wraps :lawl:

She probably wants to run for office and need a wedge issue

Because she's racist as fuck. Ironically, other non-Chinese Asians such as myself (and even some Canadianized Chinese) share her points of view regarding the over-ethnicalization of Richmond, but this is seen as "okay" to others who think Starchuck is being racist. The idea of discrimination is a funny thing...

She's free to lobby whatever she pleases. Just like how having Chinese ads are legal in bus stops.

I don't see anything wrong in what she is doing (her intentions on the other hand... :suspicious: Unless she is being paid to lobby). As long as you do not harm other people or other people's property, no need for regulation or government intervention.

cue MJ popcorn gif.

It would be funny if we move the people in Richmond and force them to live in Quebec for a few years. They will be force to learn french lol since in Quebec they don't care or would ever allow Chinese ads be put up in stores.

But I think is the whole idea of Give an inch we take a mile. Stand firm make people either learn basic English or gtfo. What's a good idea is have a simple English test for anyone between the age of 6 to 60. If you fail the test you simply can't go to Canada.

yay! lets segregate communities!

in a week it will be another ad.. more signs.. then eventually Richmond will just be China.. awesome!

the more that it is tolerated the more often it will happen..

not even going to bother this time

when i walk down commercial street i feel alienated.

there's all these people with hoops in their ears, and wearing these weird skinny jeans, flannel shirts, and thick brimmed glasses. like, even when they don't need glasses.

they all look like they make 15k net a year, but spend 30k a year.

they all have this weird culture of only hanging with each other, and listening and watching music and movies that no ones ever heard of.

when i walk down with my brand name labels i get sneered at. I feel unwelcomed.

I think we should regulate that area of town, it makes me feel very unwelcomed. very uncanadian (flannel shirts exempt from this uncanadianness).

every time i go to a bar there, one of these weird people always come up to me and act all friendly, and chat me up... pretend they're some awesome like director of all graphic designers or some shit, but clearly they're just wearing supervalue discount bin clothes... and like 4min later of pretending to be articulate and cultured, they ask me if i have any coke or anything else i can share with them.

I think before anyone comes into canada they should pass a retard test. if they fail, they should simply be kicked outta canada.

I want canada to be retard free.