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Originally Posted by shenmecar (Post 8516298)

To help those parents with daycare costs. It is a freaking joke to be honest. They're willing to pay out $13.6 million a day to keep kids out of school. Tells you a lot about our Gov't doesn't it.

It's not like it's money that the government has suddenly found sitting in the back of the communal safe...

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8516339)

B.C. teachers' strike: talks resume with time running out

B.C. teachers' strike: talks resume with time running out - British Columbia - CBC News

they're talking about october

Not to say it can't happen but I really really doubt it. There will be to much lash back on the Government and many Teachers can't afford to sit out that long without a paycheck. Both sides are going to posture and say they can ride this thing out until the end of time but that's not reality for either side.

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Originally Posted by quasi (Post 8516389)

but mid September tho?
did you listen to this? sounds like there's a semi-serious possibility of this strike entering October.

CBC.ca Player

I thought the communal safe at the back of Captain Happy Bubble have gold bullion appear out of thin air?

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Originally Posted by Lomac (Post 8516363)

It's not like it's money that the government has suddenly found sitting in the back of the communal safe...

ok so are they gonna start school in septermber or what?

Highly doubt it, Timpo.

Unfortunately, it would seem that only legislation would get the kids back in school.

Looks like no school Tuesday unless a miracle happens

Fucking bullshit.

The government are a failure

The teachers are failures

The kids lose

How this is legal, I don't know. Education is a top 3 vital thing for a child along with health and love/nourishment, it is the govenrment's role to ensure this is not affected.

The teachers are two faced cunts, "we care for the kids" - not in my eyes. You care more about yourselves. You didn't go into teaching (a social service) for the money, and if u did, u got it wrong!

Fuck them all.

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 8523326)

Highly doubt it, Timpo.

oh..

I came across this on Facebook and agree with it:

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You want to know why the BCTF and the Liberals are in a current stalemate in their negotiations. It's pretty simple, but I can't believe it took me until now to figure it out. If I’m wrong, please let me know.

Everything goes back to Justice Griffin's ruling by the BC Supreme Court. As many of you know, Justice Griffin ruled against the BC Liberals and found them guilty of illegally tearing up a legally-binding, negotiated contract (a contract which had class size and composition language in it). The Liberals were also found to have negotiated in bad faith, having goaded the BCTF into a strike position.

Because the ruling is currently under appeal, the Liberals have been able to avoid re-instating the classroom size and composition language into the present contract. But this is the BIG CRUX, and this is why we are in a current stalemate: if the Liberals legislate teachers back to work, they will confirm to the courts that they are once again unable to negotiate a contract with teachers. The Griffin ruling will therefore remain as the most 'current' language in the contract. But, and this is a big but, if the BCTF 'accepts' the current offer on the table (an offer that does not have any class size or composition guarantees), then the Griffin ruling (moving forward) will be seen as null and void. In other words, a 'negotiated' agreement will be viewed as the most present and legal contract moving forward.

And that is why we are at a current stalemate in bargaining. If the BCTF accepts anything 'less' than what the courts have already awarded them (but actually don't yet have because of the appeal), then they will have to accept these terms moving forward. It will invariably trump the Griffin ruling and any hopes of re-establishing classroom size and composition to past levels. Why would the BCTF accept anything less than what the courts have told them is legally theirs?

In my opinion, the BCTF have no choice but to NOT accept the current Liberal offer, an offer that is not even close to what Justice Griffin has already awarded them. As a result, it is absolutely crucial that the BCTF out-wait the Liberals and stay on strike. And yet, on the flip-side this is extremely difficult for teaching professionals who both want to start school on time AND earn their first pay cheque in 10 weeks.

The only hope, then, is that the people of this province do not allow the Liberals to keep schools closed through September. Because, in all honesty, they are NOT acting on behalf of our children, they are merely taking a political stance that (yes, I agree) would allow them to continue their fiscal austerity when it comes to funding education. And, to a certain degree, this was their campaign promise. And the people of BC did vote them in.

The BCTF simply can't fold on this one. The courts have spoken. They won fair and square in the courts. Only an appeal keeps them away from this. The BCTF (teachers) are simply standing up for what the courts have legally awarded them.

It is a historical moment in BC regarding how education is funded. While we all want our children in school, hopefully the above has helped to explain why we are at a current stalemate. Accepting a deal that is anything less at this moment in time just doesn’t make sense. The Liberals hold the cards in terms of starving teachers out; the teachers hold the biggest card, however: the Griffin ruling. Kids and parents hold no cards--except for your willingness to protest starting September 2nd.

As a parent, and now knowing what we know, I think its time that we all take a side. We need to get off the fence and be active. Whatever side you choose, please be active on September 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 8523610)

I came across this on Facebook and agree with it:

an opinion piece on facebook.

an opinion piece that is one sided and not based on fact.

not exactly something to use to make decision.

it could be right, but it's an opinion. we've all got them.

mine is that parents and their kids should go out with signs saying "fuck the liberals, fuck the teachers, just like they're fucking us!"

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8523646)

Er, what's not fact about the rulings of Bill's 22, 27 and 28?

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Originally Posted by Lomac (Post 8523681)

Er, what's not fact about the rulings of Bill's 22, 27 and 28?

it is an opinion piece with some facts in it.

it is quite clear that the author has made conclusions based on certain facts, but there could be facts they have missed out.

i am not denying these bills exist, i'm sure they do, but is this what is actually going on? is this opinion piece a full assessment of the situation? or is it a well written (until it gets totally 1 sided) story of what could be the reason for the fact that nothing has happened yet.

i think everyone needs to learn to read with skepticism about who the author is, what their motivations are, and whether all facts are presented and represented equally and fairly. With the proliferation of shite news sources, it is up to you, the reader to decipher the real story as you see it, not take someone's word at face value.

and, by the way, we'll never know what's really holding things up, as there are two sides involved that will only report what is good for their position.

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Originally Posted by Lomac (Post 8523681)

Er, what's not fact about the rulings of Bill's 22, 27 and 28?

and to your credit, i see why you said what you said, 'not based on fact' in my wording does not mean bills 22, 27, and 28 aren't fact.

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8523686)

Exactly, the writer has his own agenda they are seldom unbiased.

Fault lies with both sides they are going to say it's the other side holding up the negotiations and being unreasonable. There is no question they both are responsible for what's going on. We should do a pool when school will start and how a resolution will come about. My best guess is still Sept 15th and it will end when they are legislated back to work.

hmm some sources say the strike will continue til mid October. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8523845)

hmm some sources ESTIMATE BASED ON THEIR OPINION THAT IS LIKELY NO MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS OR MINE that the strike will continue til mid October. :eek:

fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8523926)

fixed it for you

But he has sources!! lol

Does anyone realistically think we see so many Teacher strikes if cost of living weren't so high. How many teacher strikes you hear in Saskatchewan or Manitoba or PEI

Face it, the housing cost is one of the leading factors because teachers want to be compensated. They are smart too because they have insane leverage knowing there profession is invaluable. Nobody want to see kids not being teached or get there education. It puts massive pressure on government to appease there wishes!

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Originally Posted by Shark Tank (Post 8524006)

Teached? Seriously?