Canadian court rejects rich migrants’ compensation claim over defunct visa scheme

[Gululu]

Canada the biggest socialist country on the face of this planet.

[meme405]

Originally Posted by Marco.911

I'm totally cool with the wealthy people coming to Canada. I say bring them here! They contribute way more to infrastructure and long term improvements over the average person.

What I don't like is poor people coming to Canada. I hate the fact that some people come here and fuck up our standard of living by having 30 people living in one house. Drive in a really wealthy neighbourhood and there are few cars on the street because the owners have their cars are in the garage.

Most streets in a lot of areas look like a fucking parking lot. It looks like shit. You have some families paying one house tax (school tax) but they have 10 families with 25 kids using the system which is a drain on the whole machine.

This is why some school districts don't have any money any more. Kids here are getting a shitty education now and it's not because rich people messed it up. Thank God and Jesus and Allah and Buddha for giving me a job that pays in the top 1%. I went to public school and sadly, because of the poor people draining the system, I will have to pay out of pocket for my children to have a decent education in private school - where poor people can't fuck it up.

The reason so many people are mad about rich people is because they're not rich!!

Poor people or average people say things like "BOO HOO, it's not fair that rich people pay less taxes or have access to tax loopholes."

Well, let's see. A family making $50,000 a year income might pay $20,000 in taxes. This is taking into account the tax included in gas, liquor, eating out, consumer goods, property tax, and income tax. This outrages average people because they feel that 40% of their hard work is being taken away from them.

Now a rich person makes $1,000,000 a year and pays $300,000 a year in tax because of some loophole that their financial planner and lawyer figured out or whatever. Maybe they are using a family trust to funnel money to their children. Either way, people get all pissed off saying "THAT'S not fair WAAAAAAAA!!!! They pay less % tax than me!"

One family pays $20,000 in tax, the other pays $300,000. Who is contributing more to schools? Who is contributing more to keeping people employed at starbucks? Who is building companies that allows someone to even have the CHANGE to have a job for $50,000???

You guessed it? It's the one making $1,000,000 a year.

You know what rich people think about poor and average people??

They think they're a drain on the system! You might think they'd think "Fuck, I pay all this school tax but I have to send my kids to private school and pay out of my own pocket? Why should I have to pay for these other kids AND my own kids? Fuck that shit. I create jobs that help dozens of families and they're bitching about me? Maybe I should just fire them all a month before Christmas.

The rich don't fuck with student loans which ties up money in the system, the rich don't fuck up a health care system (if they want something they pay for it and if they have to pay to speed up the process then pay they will).

The thing is, most rich people don't think like this. Most are pretty awesome! They are always looking for opportunities. They are looking for ways to make the world a fun, cooler, awesome place.

I remember reading about Rockefeller family and how the average people were pissed off because he was controlling the oil industry in the 1800's. The people were so pissed off that the government eventually had to step in to break up the monopoly.

Interestingly enough, at the time, his oil mining and production concept pushed the prices of oil down and kept it low, enabling many people to more easily afford oil (which back then was used for heating). He created thousands of jobs that made benefit to over 100,000 families.

I'm not wealthy but I work with wealthy people and I have to say they're always thinking about giving back and trying to help. You might not see it but it's true. A rich asshole benefits more people than a really nice poor person in terms of modern society.

Anyway this post is kind of random and doesn't really address the racism in previous pages. New money always acts fucked up. Chinaman or Whiteman. It's all the same shit. You give anyone $50,000,000 and all of a sudden morals go to shit. We all say "No I wouldn't do that!" Bullshit

You're telling me that your dating a girl that's probably at best a 5 out of 10 and now a team of 10's are begging you - BEGGING YOU to just have a taste of your nutsack that you're going to say no?

Bitch please. There is a reason every baller has a mistress. In China I was blown away, it's like expected that as a wealthy man you're going to have whores. It's like a privilege!! Even Tiger Woods and even Bill Cosby for fuck sakes got busted with that. It's because it's not popular but when the money comes, so does change.

People recently were complaining that there are too many micro escort massage places in Vancouver. Guess what? If there was no demand for that shit, there wouldn't be 3 or 4 in every condo!

You're trying to tell me you're not going to buy a new car? Live in a better house? Of course you would. Would you be so clam and patient? Would you take shit from your boss? FUCK NO!!! You'd be like fuck you Mr. Smith, and do a huge burnout in your Lambo and not even bother to clean out your desk because the $300 worth of personal shit you had there isn't worth it to you.

Money makes people feel powerful and successful because society tells us that. It is that feeling of REAL freedom that shows us who we really are.

And deep down, we want to fuck 10's, drive fun cars, eat good food and do the fun stuff that we want to do. Money lets us do that. In time, we get used to it.

The sports car novelty wears off - the whores are just boring - the big house is just whatever. That's why you see people that can make loads of money look for a higher purpose. They start to chill out and normalize and when they do they settle down.

As Ulic mentioned. China money is wild money right now. It will be that way for a while and there will always be new money. That's why true wealth, class, sophistication, is not earned by the size of the bank - account, it is earned by the power, impact and influence on making the world a better place. This in turn is the character of slowing down, being kind and all that shit.

But let's face it, that comes after you've had your fun - and right now, most of the money made in China is new and that's even better because they're going to blow it on Ugly fucked up coloured cars, clothes and all kinds of retarded shit that will drive the local economy. Stupid yes but beneficial to all, and in the end, they will learn either when they OD on drugs or as they and their wealth mature into older money.

Wait, I know you got a lot of fails, but how many people actually read through this entire thing? I quoted it just so more people can read this cause it's hilariously entertaining.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ I read the whole thing.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

MSP - Premiums

As long as your Net adjusted income is less 22k basically you get free health care. So basically if you don't work then you have no income = less than 22k therefore free MSP.

MSRP's doesn't cover the whole cost. Even if you don't work you still pay GST/PST.

[Mr.HappySilp]

And how much GST/PST do people actually pay. Remember low income family can't claim part of their tax back as well.

[subordinate]

When I was reading that long post, I thought I was reading something from Multicartual. Then realized, wha, Marco.

[E-SPEC]

What a fucking moron Marco is.

[Lomac]

FYI, that's not the Marco... just someone else's account.

[MG1]

yeah, the dot gives it away

[Marco.911]

I think it's funny how everyone spends all this time failing me but they miss the point.

Wealthy people coming here has a greater benefit than average or poor people.

You can agree or disagree but the facts are what they are. One mainlander who lives in Vancouver pays $80,000 a year in property tax and still pays for his kids to go to private school.

It's the same family that recently purchased a $500,000 piano from Fazioli which was all over youtube for a while.

Take a poor family that pays $2,000 in property tax and sends 8 kids to the school system. If it's not apparent who contributes more to the system then paint by numbers might be your idea of challenging work.

[Marco.911]

Originally Posted by ae101

^
your an idiot & i didnt bother to read your whole post

also this is a truth story, i know this person & her dads owns chun lan which makes air cons, motor bikes & etc in here china (company is huge & well know in china)

she came to vancouver for school & apply for student loans, after she graduated she left canada...........FOR GOOD PERIOD without paying any of those loans back

before we moved we use to get a shit load of her mail & calls from government asking for her, we told her she was gone & we have no idea where she is right now, fuck my dad was pissed as it was a friends friend & she just left like that

Your example is emotionally charged but not logical. You're talking about someone who's coming here on a student VISA I assume and not buying a home. If anything, your case would support someone being able to have residency in Canada, then at least they would be able to seize property or have recourse.

There are plenty of poor people that live in Canada that don't pay back their student loans. After 7 years, it's eligible to be written off. What's your take on the millions that Canadian's write off student debt annually?

Originally Posted by ae101

another one is my aunts sister, when she 1st came to canada from hk she was quite modest, but after a year or 2 she became cocky as fuck cuz she would lie on her taxes & what not just to get low income status but in fact shes not

i know ppl lie on taxes but shes just way over board & to avoid getting caught she uses cash 90% of the time, this is why the last time my family saw them was at my cousins wedding which we were force to invite as she thinks our part of the family are just poor losers

So you know people lie on their taxes but with her you seem to be more upset. At what point is it not okay to cheat on your taxes? Is it after 10%? Is it if they make a specific amount of money?

She feels you are losers because of a wealth gap and you're pissed off at my post because it slams the poor and average.

Originally Posted by ae101

alot of mainlanders right now are in canada have money but are not contributing to canada & they are using are services, i dont mind rich mainlanders (or rich ppl in general) i just hate the those that borrow money from the goverment or uses our services but give nothing back in return (EG: borrow student loans but never paying them back period)

I'm not sure what money rich people are borrowing from the services-sector of the Canadian Government. What services are mainlanders using but not contributing to? Do they not buy gas, cars, homes, and material goods?

You're still upset about your personal experience with your family friend. Again, this original post had nothing to do with students. Students can still come here and will continue to do so. Having people live here helps curb the very issue you're complaining about.

Are you aware that increased consumption of these goods contribute back into the economy or the government directly?

[Marco.911]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I don't care if a person is rich or poor, as long as they're not like you

Remember that when your future kids get a shitty education unless you pay for it. Remember it when every other system doesn't have money for you when you need it.

Poor people aren't funding infrastructure.

[Marco.911]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

That's a major issue right now. You see tons of ppl are consider low income so they are getting free health care, free daycare etc etc is because they don't work. Well THEY DON'T NEED TO WORK COZ they are fucking rich lol. They have business elsewhere and isn't reporting it or have one family member working offshore and that person is not a Canadian citizen so doesn't have to pay tax or report it.

A better way to see if you are rich or poor is simply take a look at major purchase (IE house). If you can afford to buy a 2million house and pay 5k tax every year then you sure have money coming to you elsewhere. If you are truly low income there is no way you can afford to buy a 2million house or even afford to live in one.

This is a problem for sure, but there has also been some numbers run that shows that even with some of the gaps in social services paid, the consumption tax and property tax often more than make up for it.

I'd agree that the income tax issue can sometimes be a problem.

[Marco.911]

Originally Posted by TOPEC

u guys should camp out at casinos and watch mainlanders walking into those vip rooms with stacks, and i mean STACKS of $20 bills in a T&T plastic bag or those clear vegetable bags. they just openly walk arnd carrying stacks of cash and i bet u the government doesnt know a dollar of it.

I forget the statistics but the casino's win rate is disproportionately higher than the patrons. I'm willing to bet (no pun intended) that the money lost in the casino makes up for any of the lost tax revenue collected.

[Hehe]

Yada yada yada...

All I read here is people arguing whether or not rich people deserves anything more than the ordinary folks. But fuck them...

IMHO, rich people already have more than the regular joe6packs. For the sake of argument, these Chinese immigrants (or wannabes in this case) do contribute to the society. However, their logic is fundamentally flawed. Many rich Chinese today got their wealth very quickly and their morality hasn't caught up with the rest of world. In Canada we believe people are equal, but yet because rich people in China gets away doing whatever they want, they should be treated like that in Canada too.

This generates a major difference in value between them and Canadians. And the hate (as shown in many of these threads) between locals vs. newly immigrants emerged from those differences.

The fact is, these immigrants need to grow the fuck up and bring their sense of value to the same standard before immigrating to Canada. In Canada, we don't give special treatment if a person is rich (arguably, but you get the point). And a rich shouldn't expect to be treated any differently.

I came from a family that made it to the 1% during my mid-late teen... and has grown further since. But I have always been taught to RESPECT others no matter what is their financial/social status. And my parents never had the intention to pass on their wealth to us (me+brother) but instead teach us how to create our own.

My parents, given their financial power, should be VIP everywhere they go. But they live a very modest life, cook their own meals, clean their own house and line up to pay for bills and shit. Sure they dodge their taxes like crazy (all legal, but to a point that I find it questionable, morally speaking. Even when they pay high6/low7figures in taxes), but still... I respect my parents for their humbleness. But these Chinese immigrants feel because they are rich, they should be "VIP".

I think they should take a page from my dad: "Respect others, and they will respect you in return."

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Marco.911

This is a problem for sure, but there has also been some numbers run that shows that even with some of the gaps in social services paid, the consumption tax and property tax often more than make up for it.

I'd agree that the income tax issue can sometimes be a problem.

The problem is that, for a rich person like these Chinese are, they should feel responsible to contribute their share to the society.

I despite those who take social benefits while driving a RR everywhere. You are already rich, why not leave that resource to someone who truly needs it?

[synchrocone]

Originally Posted by Manic!

And they leave the casino without any of it.

Have not gone to the casino for a while but last summer noticed everytime you'd go to the restroom it is like a disease.

Its obviously indeterminate but there would be puddles of piss at the urinals all the time. In fact a couple times every single urinal had a puddle. I was forced to slouch over or use the cubicle. Dont really want to boast about my driving or polished dress shoes but if i step on the urine i basically am forced to throw them out. It has gotten better the last season but for a couple months i thought seriously about pushing someone, punching someone in the mouth and/or asking a rhetorical question to one of these guy's. I dont want to get a criminal record though because id like to travel some more. I mean it is all about numbers but it also isnt. It makes sense to pay someone extra to mop up the piss but still it dont make sense to me.

[Drow]

why hate on the china ppl

why not find ways to make money off them

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

all i gotta say is, unless you've been exposed to the ultra rich. you have no say.

you have no fucking idea.

morals and virtue are all tight and tidy until you know the truth.

all you guys bitching about equality and "the way things should be"

well guess what, things would be, if it were meant to be. but the truth is, money and power conquers ALL. including ALL VIRTUES AND MORALS AND IDEALS.

once you fucking get exposed to the lifestyle of FREEDOM. to do whatever the fuck you want, at a whim. you guys will be converted as well.

no one is immune to that shit. unless you're a monk. which you guys are not.

we live in a gangster world. a pyramid. the top leads the bottom. it always has and always will be like that.

we are the epitome of the animal kingdom. animals are the most gangster of all living beings.

and we are the fucking apex predator of that kingdom.

im really sorry to say... sorry, if you're poor, not only do you have no idea, but you have no say.

it will take 100,000 of the poor to even voice the opinion of 1 rich.

it's just the way existence is. i don't like it either. but guess what. ive accepted the way existence is. there is no changing it. the underlying problem is not ideals, not morals, not virtues.

the underlying problem is the way human beings are. human beings are the reason things are the way they are.

instead of trying to change it. fuck it, existence/god/whatever you believe in, a higher power, has dictated the way things will be. the order of things.

instead of trying to cover it up and paint it pretty.... just fucking submit and join the flow.

you mother fuckers always trying to ice skate uphill. good luck.

don't change the system. join it. you cannot ever hope to change it. you are just a fucking human being living in existence. the rules, laws, and order of flow have been dictated far before life even existed.

the cosmos dictates power rules all. join it. make money. cuz that's the only real power you'll ever have, second to brute force.

that is the only cosmic truth. power. influence.


complaining about fairness, virtues, morals... is the same as a kid complaining about fairness. you guys are fucking adults. you should know by now fairness is just a fairytale.

the world ain't fucking fair. climb to the top, or bitch about it. there's no in between.

Fairness is like expecting the lion not to eat you because you didn't eat him.

realise the people in power are lions. bitch all you want. they'll eat you regardless.


the real life matrix. take the blue pill, and you keep believing whatever bullshit you believe. take the red pill, and you see what the truth is. you get exposed to the hard truth of reality. take the red pill and you'll realise, money is the real world. the rest of you are living in some bullshit idealistic matrix world. it's fake. it's just to keep the average person happy and obedient, content.

it's very simple. stop thinking with your brain, and just look with your eyes and senses. look at history. look at man.
when have things EVER been different? instead of wishing, and hoping things were different, just look at the way things ACTUALLY are. go with the flow. you can never win fighting the stream of the river. submit to existence. or die a martyr of some bullshit idealistic fairness. no different than allah akbar. your virtues are skewed and inaccurate. there will be no justice. no 100 virgins for you guys. it will just be pain and suffering. regret. fuck that shit.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Division of Labour: Our tax system explained in beer.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20."

Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.


hey assholes, don't fucking bite the hand that feeds.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

well guess what, things would be, if it were meant to be. but the truth is, money and power conquers ALL. including ALL VIRTUES AND MORALS AND IDEALS.

See, this is where the problem is with rich Chinese immigrants. By having a more affluent/higher economic power doesn't and shouldn't give anyone a sense that they deserve more.

Why do the rich expect to have that? I consider my parents to be fairly rich and they don't go around expecting people to treat them any differently. This has been the exact same way when they were earning 5 figures in income like everyone else to now that they pay 7 figures in taxes alone.

And this is not just my parents... a few friends/partners of my parents probably makes 10x what my parents make (those who I consider ultra-rich) and yet they are all very humble and low profile. Moreover, the true ballers like Warren Buffett or Bill Gates don't go around and expect to receive special treatment. They receive special treatments because people RESPECT them not only for their financial status, but for their wisdom and contribution to the society.

Some Chinese immigrants just expect to have that same respect while making ZERO contribution to the society or anyone else. Worse, they leech on the public resources because they managed their way around the law. But this is a fucking disgrace given those people's financial power.

[Xplicit_EL]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

all i gotta say is, unless you've been exposed to the ultra rich. you have no say.

you have no fucking idea.

morals and virtue are all tight and tidy until you know the truth.

all you guys bitching about equality and "the way things should be"

well guess what, things would be, if it were meant to be. but the truth is, money and power conquers ALL. including ALL VIRTUES AND MORALS AND IDEALS.

once you fucking get exposed to the lifestyle of FREEDOM. to do whatever the fuck you want, at a whim. you guys will be converted as well.

no one is immune to that shit. unless you're a monk. which you guys are not.

we live in a gangster world. a pyramid. the top leads the bottom. it always has and always will be like that.

we are the epitome of the animal kingdom. animals are the most gangster of all living beings.

and we are the fucking apex predator of that kingdom.

im really sorry to say... sorry, if you're poor, not only do you have no idea, but you have no say.

it will take 100,000 of the poor to even voice the opinion of 1 rich.

it's just the way existence is. i don't like it either. but guess what. ive accepted the way existence is. there is no changing it. the underlying problem is not ideals, not morals, not virtues.

the underlying problem is the way human beings are. human beings are the reason things are the way they are.

instead of trying to change it. fuck it, existence/god/whatever you believe in, a higher power, has dictated the way things will be. the order of things.

instead of trying to cover it up and paint it pretty.... just fucking submit and join the flow.

you mother fuckers always trying to ice skate uphill. good luck.

don't change the system. join it. you cannot ever hope to change it. you are just a fucking human being living in existence. the rules, laws, and order of flow have been dictated far before life even existed.

the cosmos dictates power rules all. join it. make money. cuz that's the only real power you'll ever have, second to brute force.

that is the only cosmic truth. power. influence.


complaining about fairness, virtues, morals... is the same as a kid complaining about fairness. you guys are fucking adults. you should know by now fairness is just a fairytale.

the world ain't fucking fair. climb to the top, or bitch about it. there's no in between.



realise the people in power are lions. bitch all you want. they'll eat you regardless.


the real life matrix. take the blue pill, and you keep believing whatever bullshit you believe. take the red pill, and you see what the truth is. you get exposed to the hard truth of reality. take the red pill and you'll realise, money is the real world. the rest of you are living in some bullshit idealistic matrix world. it's fake. it's just to keep the average person happy and obedient, content.

it's very simple. stop thinking with your brain, and just look with your eyes and senses. look at history. look at man.
when have things EVER been different? instead of wishing, and hoping things were different, just look at the way things ACTUALLY are. go with the flow. you can never win fighting the stream of the river. submit to existence. or die a martyr of some bullshit idealistic fairness. no different than allah akbar. your virtues are skewed and inaccurate. there will be no justice. no 100 virgins for you guys. it will just be pain and suffering. regret. fuck that shit.

stop talking out your ass. That is your own stupid opinion.

[E-SPEC]

Replicating someone's username is beyond pathetic, talk about wanting to suck someones dick!

[iEatClams]

I just find it funny that I have rich swiss friends (well their parents are) who live in west vancouver and are rich and powerful because their parments sit on boards and are execs etc. But they don't have any of the annoying shiet habits of the mainlanders. They are kind, generous people who have better manners and respect for morals. Maybe that's why they are more welcomed to our country than the mainlanders and their lack of morals and ethics. And seriously if you come into another country acting all high and mighty and not respecting their customs, of course they gonna hate on you.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by iEatClams

I just find it funny that I have rich swiss friends (well their parents are) who live in west vancouver and are rich and powerful because their parments sit on boards and are execs etc. But they don't have any of the annoying shiet habits of the mainlanders. They are kind, generous people who have better manners and respect for morals. Maybe that's why they are more welcomed to our country than the mainlanders and their lack of morals and ethics. And seriously if you come into another country acting all high and mighty and not respecting their customs, of course they gonna hate on you.

Or is it because they blend in because they are white and speak English?