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i've yet to hear any condemnation from Muslims anywhere of these actions.
i just take it as these people (ISIS, boko harom (or however it's spelt), etc.) just take the koran and misinterpret it, and that islam, like all faiths, is innately good... but if that were the case, where are the rallies for good muslims telling non-muslims that what the crackers are doing is not preaching islam, but rather hatred (and doing so for power and money, the real reason for this)
good, i want these voices heard louder, and on the streets, and those that go over to fight, i want them to be banished from their communities on return.
fuck these animals, they aren't good muslims, and are just making the whole west/muslim hatred even worse (both sides make it worse each day)
and are just making the whole west/muslim hatred even worse (both sides make it worse each day)
I suspect that globalist western culture pushing atheism, hollywood entertainment, hardcore porn, alternative sexualities, relaxed masculinity, gender equality, etc etc are rallying points for Imams to declare that now is the time to fight for fundamentalist Islam before it is too late.
I suspect that globalist western culture pushing atheism, hollywood entertainment, hardcore porn, alternative sexualities, relaxed masculinity, gender equality, etc etc are rallying points for Imams to declare that now is the time to fight for fundamentalist Islam before it is too late.
Before western cultural hegemony is complete
western culture is totally going to the dogs. doesn't mean some fucktard can make me follow some hard line religious fundamentalist regime.
i want freedom, even if our freedom isn't truly free anymore, i'm still happy in it.
The only way the world will start to really pay attention to ISIS is if they start beheading women and children
When men die nobody really cares because men are 100% expendable
If ISIS started beheading women can you imagine the outrage it would spawn... holy fuck
Even then, other countries will not get involved. Gadaffi was raping women and young girls and leaving to die, no country stepped in. No country will waste money on military invasion unless there are other interest like oil and other resources involved.
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Well actually the concern with ISIS is that they have a larger than expected makeup of foreign fighters from the UK/US/Canada etc and those members have come out to say that they're going to attack their respective home countries
So it's a major concern right now (more so in the UK) I wouldn't be surprised if one or some of these nuts came back and tried to do something
And they're not just a bunch of villagers with no skills & training
It was noted on CNN that ISIS is well trained too, that they fight with US Army Ranger tactics CNN Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
So perhaps they were even getting training by the US to fight Assad before splintering off to their own crazy cause. As we've seen with Afghanistan/Iraq Army troops which left the army after training to join the opposition
The UN sounds like it wants to go in and have ISIS taken out but as always countries don't really want to get involved
The US wasn't so concerned with ISIS originally because they were a part of the Syrian Rebels bringing down Assad and they were attacking Iranian support fighters coming through Iraq to assist the Assad regime, it wasn't until ISIS got too crazy that the US began some drone strikes
Assad hasn't been brought down...
Isis is no different than al qaida. Sources say that Isis IS the former al qaida. When the US took them out, they actually deported them to Pakistan for a while until the heat died down and then they returned.
The US have no interest right now to take out Isis because the US want them to take more Syrian land so that when the US gets involved, they have more grounds to invade. If America wants to take out isis, they can do it no problem. It's much harder for US to go straight on against Syria right now because then they'll be fighting a frontal war against Isis and Syria .
The US doesn't care about civilian lives nor the hostages that were and are going to be beheaded. The big picture is letting Isis fight assad, in hopes of a civil war and then US intervenes and take over.
The US will launch a full blown attack on Isis when Isis executes a terrorist attack on Europe mainly Britain or when Syria becomes fully destabilized.
Something tells me the US motive is to take out Assad and not actually defeating ISIS itself.
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Mr Obama has asked the US Congress to approve a bill seeking $500m (£308m) to fund an increase in the training and arming of "moderate" Syrian rebels so that they can take the fight to the jihadist group.
Obama refuses to send US ground troops, so he can fund and arm local rebels to take over president Assad, pretty plain and wise. Thus, costing American taxpayer more money. A world war is imminent when Russia decides to interfere.
Another war like afghanistan where 2/3rds of injuries come from IED's rather than direct contact ... yeaaaah doesn't sound too fun. The US is in a little too deep hence the air assets and no men on the ground
isis claims America is afraid to fight them on the ground. Someone should ask isis why they are afraid to fight America in the air.
that's funny ... a bunch of AK toting untrained civilians against marines with javelin missiles and m16's .. yeah not likely. I've fired weapons similar to the AK and good luck hitting anything beyond ~50 meters. It's no wonder they (ISIS/Al Qaeda/Taliban) expect to die going into combat
isis could slow down marines w/ IEDs, landmines, suicide attacks .. but the fact of the matter is the level of superiority America/Canada/Britain possesses on the ground is unmatched by any other force -- most conservative estimates say 2/3rds of all soldiers killed in afghanistan were due to IED strikes rather than conventional combat. There's videos of american soldiers getting hit 2-3 times by Taliban during a firefight and surviving because of their body armor -- it's a level of technological superiority they simply cannot match with AK's and RPG's. America's air power just adds insult to injury IMO
they're determined as hell, I'll give them that though
I don't understand why the FBI would want to release this information. Wouldn't it be much easier to nab the guy if he doesn't know his cover has already been blown? By releasing even just the fact that the FBI has a good lead of who the guy might be is detrimental to the investigation, and I can't see any benefits out of the move at all.
I don't understand why the FBI would want to release this information. Wouldn't it be much easier to nab the guy if he doesn't know his cover has already been blown? By releasing even just the fact that the FBI has a good lead of who the guy might be is detrimental to the investigation, and I can't see any benefits out of the move at all.
Being aware that a nation with the resources to wipe you from the face of the earth has identified you can expose a variety of weaknesses in one's self. I'd imagine that it's an attempt to dissuade members of ISIS from being willing to show themselves on camera, regardless of measures to protect their identity.
There could be many other reasons for the FBI releasing such specific information, many of which would only make sense to someone within the intelligence community that is dealing with this case directly. What I do know is that the FBI would not issue such a statement without having covered all of their bases first, there is a strategy here, what it is we may never know.
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Being aware that a nation with the resources to wipe you from the face of the earth has identified you can expose a variety of weaknesses in one's self. I'd imagine that it's an attempt to dissuade members of ISIS from being willing to show themselves on camera, regardless of measures to protect their identity.
There could be many other reasons for the FBI releasing such specific information, many of which would only make sense to someone within the intelligence community that is dealing with this case directly. What I do know is that the FBI would not issue such a statement without having covered all of their bases first, there is a strategy here, what it is we may never know.
exactly this. it says "if you join IS, we will find you, and we're gonna fuck you up" - will potentially dissuade others from joining
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i was watching news about isis the other day and its said they've amassed over $1bn dollars and are selling $3mn of oil daily to fund their operations from seized oil fields...they have US tanks and artillery and weapons captured from Iraq/Syria plus they have US Army ranger training...so I don't think comparing them with the Taliban would be accurate at all
i'm glad they're finally doing something to stop them and more and more european countries are joining in but wow did they ever fuck up supporting a resistance to Assad and to say that they still want to support the resistance but only "moderates" shows they haven't woken up to what they've spawned
i was watching news about isis the other day and its said they've amassed over $1bn dollars and are selling $3mn of oil daily to fund their operations from seized oil fields...they have US tanks and artillery and weapons captured from Iraq/Syria plus they have US Army ranger training...so I don't think comparing them with the Taliban would be accurate at all
i'm glad they're finally doing something to stop them and more and more european countries are joining in but wow did they ever fuck up supporting a resistance to Assad and to say that they still want to support the resistance but only "moderates" shows they haven't woken up to what they've spawned
i'm sure these numbers aren't accurate - they're the media's best estimates, but no doubt they're well funded.
the ranger training is limited to those that got it. some punk of the streets of the UK, France, etc. has no ranger training, yes some of the Iraqi army that have defected got limited training, but the US won't give their intellectual property away that easy.
and the tanks and weapons, that's 60's and 70's technology - shit like humvees, which are great and used by the US still, but nothing that can't be destroyed by the US today and instantly.
they may be slightly better than the taliban (equiped similarily by the russians all those years ago), but nothing compared to the technology the US and western powers have at their disposals.
now, if they left air support which IS had taken over, i'd be slightly concerned, but in the end of the day, the US is the greatest aerial power there is, so there's no competition from a war standpoint, it's just a matter of time and collateral damage.
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bombing campaigns are really effective against establishments (serbia, iraq) since there are actual targets and this is perhaps where ISIS is like the Taliban in that there aren't really any targets but ISIS seems to be even more mobile and spread out than the Taliban and they blend in better
Hopefully it'll be swift and before anything close to home happens :/
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