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I think definately depression and anxiety etc are over prescribed.
It happens in all medical professions, we recently were attempted to be scammed by a "reputable" vet for our dog, within a 10 minute visit we were asked to pay 4k in surgery. After about an hour of Internet research we decided against it and it worked out exactly as our research indicated.
Who isn't scamming ya?
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Somewhat agree. Id shoot an uneducated guess that more than half of 'mental health issues' are exaggerated and dramatized, and can be drastically improved by diet and exercise and mental stimulation. But those things are hard, and a magic pill is easier.
Kids who are fed candy and energy drinks by their parents, and not given any play time or physical activity because the parents are too lazy. Brb kid has ADHD, and is now on Ritalin. brb Ritalin causes problems so give the kid more drugs.
People who had a tough day at work because their kids were causing problems at home so they made a mistake and got in trouble from their employer/customers. Brb anxiety problems, now on Xanax, and a 2 year paid leave of absence from work.
People who are on a 2 year paid leave of absence from work because 'they just cant take it anymore'. Brb sit on the couch all day eating junk food and getting no exercise or have a purpose for their life. Brb overweight and depression, now on weight loss meds, and depression meds.
There are definitely real people with mental health issues tho. There is no denying that.
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Somewhat agree. Id shoot an uneducated guess that more than half of 'mental health issues' are exaggerated and dramatized, and can be drastically improved by diet and exercise and mental stimulation. But those things are hard, and a magic pill is easier.
Kids who are fed candy and energy drinks by their parents, and not given any play time or physical activity because the parents are too lazy. Brb kid has ADHD, and is now on Ritalin. brb Ritalin causes problems so give the kid more drugs.
People who had a tough day at work because their kids were causing problems at home so they made a mistake and got in trouble from their employer/customers. Brb anxiety problems, now on Xanax, and a 2 year paid leave of absence from work.
People who are on a 2 year paid leave of absence from work because 'they just cant take it anymore'. Brb sit on the couch all day eating junk food and getting no exercise or have a purpose for their life. Brb overweight and depression, now on weight loss meds, and depression meds.
There are definitely real people with mental health issues tho. There is no denying that.
As you do, I don't deny that there are real mental health issues but I 100000% back your first part.
My dad had a great example of exactly what you were talking about with an acquaintance of his from back about 15-20 years ago. Guy was kind of a skid to begin with but had a decent job etc. One day the guy gets laid off and acts like his life is over, telling everyone he's so depressed, no motivation, etc he would come to parties my parents would have and drink himself stupid then look for a shoulder to cry on about how he's so down and out and wants to commit suicide etc.
My dad one day had enough and basically said, you know why you're so fuckin depressed? Because you're a loser you lay on the couch all day, you do nothing but drink and smoke and you have absolutely zero motivation to even live seemingly let alone be productive. How about you go out and get a fucking job to start?
Shortly after guy went out looking for work, got a decent job again, cleaned up his act and actually came back and thank my dad for giving him a wake up call.
And this was 15-20 years ago like o said, imo it's wayyyy worse now in terms of people just "giving up" and thinking it's the end of the world when if they actually put forward a little effort they could probably improve their well-being infinitely
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In terms of brain/mentality, or even just a health scare or did some research on the health/science industry in general, it won't be long before you find out that the field is limited and incapable.
We know that our body reacts in a specific way to a specific drug but in many cases, we don't know why it's working. We dont even know why and how depression affects our brain and why anti-depressants work yet it's prescribed to so many people.
The top sold drug in terms of $ is Abilify, an anti-psychotic drug. sales of $7.2 billion
Agreed 110% with all the posts about how many mental "illnesses" aren't real illnesses that need drugs, but rather social change/treatment. When I was young, my Kindergarten teacher sat down with the principal and my parents telling them I needed to see a child psychiatrist. Their reason? They believed I had ADD because I would never pay attention, would always be constantly playing/talking, never listened to the teacher, etc.
The REAL problem was that I was an only child and since my mom was a stay-at-home, I never got to play with other kids outside of the couple of cousins in my family once a month or so. Kindergarten was literally my first experience being around other kids and obviously I got super excited. My parents quickly realized this and began putting me in after-school daycare for a couple hours each day for a couple of years and I calmed down real fast.
I'm always grateful that they actually tried to help me change my "social surroundings" as opposed to feed me pills that would likely have damaged my overall development. Lo and behold, I turned out fine and eventually went on to win the "academic achievement" award for each year I went to that school. The irony? The Kindergarten teacher who said I had ADD was the one who handed it to me each time
Agreed 110% with all the posts about how many mental "illnesses" aren't real illnesses that need drugs, but rather social change/treatment. When I was young, my Kindergarten teacher sat down with the principal and my parents telling them I needed to see a child psychiatrist. Their reason? They believed I had ADD because I would never pay attention, would always be constantly playing/talking, never listened to the teacher, etc.
The REAL problem was that I was an only child and since my mom was a stay-at-home, I never got to play with other kids outside of the couple of cousins in my family once a month or so. Kindergarten was literally my first experience being around other kids and obviously I got super excited. My parents quickly realized this and began putting me in after-school daycare for a couple hours each day for a couple of years and I calmed down real fast.
I'm always grateful that they actually tried to help me change my "social surroundings" as opposed to feed me pills that would likely have damaged my overall development. Lo and behold, I turned out fine and eventually went on to win the "academic achievement" award for each year I went to that school. The irony? The Kindergarten teacher who said I had ADD was the one who handed it to me each time
It's a combination of different factors. But essentially, to a certain extent it's a product of a shifting social landscape and social perception towards "normal" behavior. To go outright and say mental disorders are a scam is just downright stupid (i'm not talking about you btw, i meant op).
I'm finding these days that specialists, teachers and parents alike are so quick to jump to conclusions because it's the convenient thing to do. I remember a few years ago hearing about some family friend's kindergarten kid taking some meds for ADHD and I was like what the fuck, you do realize that kid is only 5 right? By the time he's ten, he'll have an unmanaged behavioural problem along with resistance to pretty much all known ADHD drugs.
As the video indicates, DSM is NOT based on scientific research, and it's solely profit driven.
when you have a tragic event in your life, your family's death or bad breakups, it's normal to feel sad. Give it some time and surround yourself with positive people and environment, you'll feel better.
What psychiatrists do is to tell you that you have an "anxiety disorder" or "depression" and give you some drugs. And those drugs are bad chemicals that will cause you even bigger problems.
Have you even read the DSM? Or have you just given yourself an MD degree by watching a video online.
Go find the definition of depression or anxiety disorder and the requirements in the DSM and post it here. Then I can point and laugh.
People are still thinking that flu shots and other vaccines are good for them
While yes, there are some vaccines you need, the majority are unnecessary and new research (done in the past couple years) actually shows that this is true.
Think of it this way, 50 years ago almost no one was diagnosed with ADHD and depression and etc. Hell even 20 years, when I was a child, I had no kids in my class with ADHD. My younger sister is in school and almost half her class is diagnosed with something.
Many famous smart people aka geniuses, had Schizophrenia and other mental problems and they made great breakthroughs without meds and such. Just think about it, the more people the government diagnoses the more money they sell through meds and treatments so why wouldn't they? Even 'Family Guy' knows this as they have a very famous quote about cancer. "Why would you try and find a cure for a trillion dollar industry?"
End rant lol sorry, just been seeing this come up a lot as the more and more people with kids i know and i just want to smack them upside the head sometimes
Vaccines are a different conversation all together.
But ya, its tough to argue that the medical industry isnt fueled by pharma corporations. Anyone know if doctors get kick backs from pharma corporations for prescribing their products?
Hmmm, well I can't say much for a lot of conditions but depression is a crazy thing.
The first time you see a close family member or friend go from normal to depressed nut job in only a few months, followed by back to normal after getting on meds… you start to understand why these medications are necessary.
I can't say that I've ever been depressed, but I always felt as though David Letterman sums up depression fairly well based on my observations of others.
My brother grew up with ADHD, the real thing. I only came to that conclusion much later, as this was in the 80's back when it was just "developmental issues" or something like that. Maybe they over-prescribe it now, but I wouldn't say that it's not a real issue with some (probably MANY) people.
I've never been diagnosed but I probably have it too in some form, along with bouts of depression that come and go. I don't take prescriptions but I use supplements and exercise to ward it off. I'm sure I could just get prescriptions to even me out, but I don't want to depend on something that strong.
IMO if you've never had actual depression, there's nothing you can really say about it. While exercise is a good solution for it, it's not quite as easy as going out and doing it and all of a sudden you're cured. For many, prescription meds are a good solution I'm sure.
But overall, I think people here are right in that it is often used as a quick solution. I don't trust doctors overall. They are usually lazy, and don't really care about their patients. They are pitched bullshit by the pharmaceutical companies, and unless you happen to come across one that actually does the work on their own, you're not going to get treated well.
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