Originally Posted by sebberry (Post 8626319)

Right. So the sign you claim to mark the end of the school zone is in fact for the other road users on the other portion of the road.

You can't reasonably expect that the back of the sign intended for other road users applies to drivers to which it may not even be visible. Again, hence why the MVA states that the driver may resume normal speed once passed the school grounds and not the other sign.

Originally Posted by zulutango (Post 8626612)

Easier to stop a speeding car coming towards me than one that is speeding away from me.

Originally Posted by zulutango (Post 8626612)

Here is a question for you and your theory of...past the building means speed up...most school zones have signs on them, past the buiildings and grounds, usually on the back of the school zone start signs for oncoming traffic not yet at the building or grounds. These signs say "zone ends'.....so drivers are required to keep the 30 k speed until they pass this "traffic control device". This contradicts your "theory" as this says the zone continues until you pass this sign, not just past the buildings or grounds. See my previous post on my opinion on having to look for sign backs.

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8626761)

As per usual, sebberry has made the thread into something completely different from what the OP's original question was about.

Originally Posted by zoomzoom3 (Post 8624774)

How do I know when a "posted limit" ends?

Originally Posted by zoomzoom3 (Post 8624963)

My bad, I should have been more clear in my original post. My question is more geared towards situations where there is no "next sign" (generally rural roads). To word my question more concisely: when do posted limits stop applying and statutory limits take over?

Originally Posted by sebberry (Post 8626619)

So... you could set up AFTER the school zone monitoring traffic in it? How many of your tickets were issued to drivers passed the school grounds but before the second sign?




I have never seen on the back of a school zone sign "Zone ends".

http://i.imgur.com/dbb2RNu.jpg

Let's recap:

- 147-1 states that a driver must not exceed 30km/hr while approaching or passing the school grounds

- 147-1 does not define the end point of a school zone as being the other sign, nor does it make reference to not exceeding the limit "at any point" between the signs

- The case I referenced clearly states:
"One might have thought that having set a 30 km/h zone with a beginning and an end, the section would have clearly set a maximum speed of 30 km/h while driving in any part of the zone. But it does not so state. A vehicle is only required to drive at a speed of 30 km/h in the zone while approaching or passing the school building and school grounds."

- The MoTI's handbook on sign placement states that the general rule is to locate signs on the right hand side of the roadway, except in circumstances where visibility would be problematic or road design makes it advantageous to place them on the left side - even then, the "printed" side of the sign would be visible to the driver.

Originally Posted by sebberry (Post 8626619)

So... you could set up AFTER the school zone monitoring traffic in it? How many of your tickets were issued to drivers passed the school grounds but before the second sign?




I have never seen on the back of a school zone sign "Zone ends".

http://i.imgur.com/dbb2RNu.jpg

Let's recap:

- 147-1 states that a driver must not exceed 30km/hr while approaching or passing the school grounds

- 147-1 does not define the end point of a school zone as being the other sign, nor does it make reference to not exceeding the limit "at any point" between the signs

- The case I referenced clearly states:
"One might have thought that having set a 30 km/h zone with a beginning and an end, the section would have clearly set a maximum speed of 30 km/h while driving in any part of the zone. But it does not so state. A vehicle is only required to drive at a speed of 30 km/h in the zone while approaching or passing the school building and school grounds."

- The MoTI's handbook on sign placement states that the general rule is to locate signs on the right hand side of the roadway, except in circumstances where visibility would be problematic or road design makes it advantageous to place them on the left side - even then, the "printed" side of the sign would be visible to the driver.

Originally Posted by Flatsix (Post 8627248)

I have not been through a school zone that does not have a school zone ends sign. I also live on Vancouver island.

Not to go off topic but are school zones in effect during pro d days, and such. I had an argument that kids needed to be in school for it to be an active school zone.

Originally Posted by sebberry (Post 8627232)

Perfect, let me know when that's included in the amended MVA :) Until then, the law that applies is what's in the MVA, not the interpretation the web guy has of it...

Originally Posted by sebberry (Post 8627255)

Could you post a Street View of such an "end" sign?

And yes, school zones are in effect on pro-D days. Check the Canli link above.

Originally Posted by Flatsix (Post 8627257)

Thanks for the info,

Originally Posted by Flatsix (Post 8627257)

Thanks for the info,

Originally Posted by sebberry (Post 8627731)

Thanks. Must be a Nanaimo thing? Never seen one around here.

I still maintain that if the MVA wanted vehicles to remain at 30km/hr until the point at which opposing traffic is met with the limit, it would be worded as such. However, it isn't - it specifically says "while passing" and this wording has been recognized and commented on by the courts.

I also think that with signage standards requiring signs to be placed on the driver's side of the highway (except where disadvantageous to do so), drivers shouldn't be required to obey signage that only appears on the other side of the road, facing other drivers.