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Jon Abbott guy who does play by play for Canucks on the radio interviewd that sorry excuse for a coach we have before the game and said how bo was going to turn it around and break his slump? WD said he's doing all the right things and that it will come he just wants him to concentrate on defense....sums it up right there!
They played the interview and WD straight out said he doesn't know how to get Bo to start scoring and he also said Bo isn't that type of player and they need him in the defence zone so he's not worried about not scoring..
Right there I was livid and if a coach doesn't know how to get his players to score goals and to turn the game around he shouldn't be the coach anymore
They played the interview and WD straight out said he doesn't know how to get Bo to start scoring and he also said Bo isn't that type of player and they need him in the defence zone so he's not worried about not scoring..
Right there I was livid and if a coach doesn't know how to get his players to score goals and to turn the game around he shouldn't be the coach anymore
They need a career -22 player in the defensive zone?! lol...... good one Willie
The Sedins with 11 and 12 min of icetime respectively.
Yanick Weber @ 23 min
Hutton @ 21 min
Edler 20 min
Tanev 18 min
Willie D has officially hit the panic button and lost his marbles
They got 4 more games ahead of them in the next 6 days (on the road). When you're getting blown out in the second period, you might as well rest the Sedins.
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just some many defensive breakdowns on this team its not even funny! zucker's goal 3 guys watching him bang away with the puck...then parises goal 4 guys watching him bang away till he scores like wtf are you guys doing...dont know how WD or the coaching staff has their defensive structure set up but it isnt working obviously!
2010-2011 Vancouver Canucks: The Playoff Menace
2011-2012 Vancouver Canucks: Attack of the Choke
2012-2013 Vancouver Canucks: Revenge of the Sharks
2013-2014 Vancouver Canucks: A New Coach
2014-2015 Vancouver Canucks: The Orcas Strike Back
2015-2016 Vancouver Canucks: Return of the....nvm, The Tank Awakens
Well done, 604 boi. This is proof that the Force is not with the Canucks now.
As for coaches, Willie is definitely not Yoda or even Obi Wan Kenobi.
WD is coaching like Jar Jar Binks right now.
Stamageddon breezed in and out of Toronto this week. We all managed to survive it.
So, now what?
In all likelihood, not much.
As in, literally not much at all.
If there is one take-away for me from a week or so of Stammerama in the self-proclaimed Centre of the Hockey Universe, it is as follows:
Steven Stamkos won't be playing for the Tampa Bay Lightning next season.
I can't say that unequivocally, with 100 per cent, dead-set certainty, because, you know, never say never, there's always a chance, blah blah blah...
But c'mon, if Stamkos and the Bolts were going to live happily ever after they'd be at least a little cozied up by now, sort of like where it currently stands with Anze Kopitar and the Los Angeles Kings.
Stamkos and the Lightning aren't even holding hands. Absent a lightning bolt out of the blue, they're not going to either.
What's interesting for me now is how they will go about going their separate ways.
In the short term, their respective self-interests are somewhat aligned.
Stamkos needs to play better.
He was mostly invisible in Tampa's 5-4 overtime win in Toronto. He has only two goals in his last 14 games and none in his last 10. The 25-year-old doesn't look like himself at all.
Some might suggest he's not been the same player since he broke his tibia on Nov. 11, 2013, but that would conveniently overlook his 43 goals and 72 points last season.
Whatever is ailing him now, or in an uneven playoff performance last spring, his interests and those of the Lightning are best served by him re-discovering his form.
He's basically auditioning for July 1. The better he plays, the more he increases his value and the number of teams interested in signing him.
As for the Lightning, coach Jon Cooper noted after the Toronto game they are 8-4 in their last 12 games without any measurable goal contribution from the captain. He said it a little nicer than that, but point taken. To say nothing of the fact the Lightning has also been decimated with injuries lately.
They're just barely below the playoff line in the Eastern Conference, so imagine where they might get to if Stamkos starts scoring like he can and they get healthy.
If Tampa isn't going to sign Stamkos, or at least get fully engaged in talks towards that end, the Lightning have three options:
1. Trade him as a rental on or before the Feb. 29 trade deadline. Grab a first-round pick and a prospect or two — the going rental rates at the deadline — and move on.
2. Sign and trade Stamkos.
It is, by hockey standards, an unconventional approach, but if Stamkos did designate a favoured landing spot, Tampa could do a contract extension on behalf of the new team and trade him there, presumably for a higher trade yield than rental prices.
3. Don't trade Stamkos and play it out; go as far and as deep as they can with him in their lineup and then bid him adieu in the off-season, taking his current $7.5 million in cap space, or the $9 to $11 million they might've paid him, and spend it elsewhere next season.
Of course, the Bolts are not masters of their own destiny in the first two of those three options.
Stamkos has full no-movement and no-trade clauses. He isn't going anywhere before the trade deadline unless he wants to engineer his own departure. It seems doubtful he would go down that road, but no sense speculating. It's too early.
LeBrun: Stamkos, Lightning still at a standstill
With his contract situation still very much up in the air, TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun explains how the Lightning and Steven Stamkos have ended up in this position and sheds light on where the two sides could go from here.
The only advantage to the sign-and-trade for Stamkos is that he can get an eight-year deal from Tampa, a seven-year deal from anyone else on July 1. Does that even matter to him? Beyond that, is there any advantage to picking a new home by Feb. 29 instead of
July 1?
And, realistically, what team is going to give up significant players and/or draft pick assets to Tampa before Feb. 29 when it could just sign him on July 1 with an acquisition price of gratis?
Nevertheless, it will still be fascinating to see if Tampa approaches Stamkos on either of the rental trade or sign-and-trade scenarios.
The presumption is Tampa is more likely to play out the rest of the season with Stamkos in the lineup. Again, though, it’s probably too soon to say.
So, for now, it should be a whole lot of status quo (nothing), outside of the ongoing speculation of not only what both parties will do prior to Feb. 29, but what Stamkos may do come July 1.
Leaf fans, and perhaps the team's hierarchy, get giddy at the prospect of a local boy and star of that stature possibly coming home.
But this whole Stamkos-to-Toronto-as-a-foregone-conclusion thing has gotten way out of hand. If Stamkos goes to free agency, the NHL is his oyster.
I said on radio yesterday he would be a great fit in Montreal or Nashville, only to illustrate the point is he'll have many options. Not every team is able to take him, logistically or financially, but there'll no shortage of choice.
There has been all sorts of speculation Stamkos will be looking for mega-millions, potentially more than Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane at $10.5 million AAV. I don't necessarily buy that money will be the primary motivation here.
I never say "it's not about the money" because, in some form or another, it often is. And I don't doubt his agent Don Meehan will ask for the sun, moon and stars. Who wouldn't with a 26-year-old free agent with those skills?
But anyone who knows Stamkos even a bit is aware there are many other important considerations and, depending on location, his decision is likely to be a moving target combination of multiple factors:
- Intangible value. How he feels about the coach and how the coach feels about him? What position is he playing - centre or right wing? Role? Minutes? Does he get that warm and fuzzy feeling?
- Tangible value. How much money?
- Contending status. Right there? On the way up? No shot?
- Traditional hockey market. If he leaves a non-traditional locale (Tampa), would he prefer a more traditional market? Original Six? Canadian?
- Proximity to family and friends. Drop a pin on Toronto and work your way out from there.
Doing the free-agent dance in the summer gives Stamkos the most options and allows him to use a sliding scale of the above factors to weigh his decision. Teams that otherwise couldn't afford him or not make it fit in-season could get into the game at the draft or July 1.
It's way too early to presume which franchises would/could/should have interest in Stamkos and/or vice versa. But let's throw some fertilizer, and it's just that, against the wall:
Buffalo? The Sabres expressed interest before last summer's draft and it's a rebuilding franchise with a desire to make bold moves.
Detroit? Pav and Z aren't getting any younger. Wings' GM Kenny Holland could harken back to the good, old (pre-salary cap) days and find the money to go UFA shoppi
Edmonton? Not sure how the Oilers could shoe-horn Stamkos money into McDavid/Hall/Draisaitl et al money, to say nothing of what they would do with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or others, but dare to dream of the possibilities
Montreal? Sure, why not. Price, Subban, Stamkos, nice trio to build around. Cap complications? Probably, but Stamkos would address a need.
Nashville? Not a traditional hockey market, maybe not as close to contending status as one might like but a No. 1 offensive centre may go a long way towards remedying that.
New York Rangers? The Blueshirts have some financial shackles, but for the right player at the right price, moves could be made.
St. Louis? I can think of a lot of reasons why it couldn't happen but I can think of one - trying to beat Chicago - that it could.
Toronto? Did you know this is where Stamkos grew up?
We could play this game all day. I guess, in interests of accuracy, because no doors have been slammed shut just yet, we have to also include Tampa as a possibility. I hear taxes are very low there.
In the meantime, we wait and we wonder.
When is the next Leafs-Lightning game in Toronto anyway?
Feb. 29. Trade Deadline Day.
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What happened to Kassian? He was traded to Habs, then I heard he got into a car accident and then started abusing drugs or meds or something like that?
Its funny how the canucks can never get a good young player going, or seem to always pick the wrong young player. They got cody hodgson and traded him away from kassian, then traded kassian away, I'm thinking very soon Bo Hovak is on his way out too!
What happened to Kassian? He was traded to Habs, then I heard he got into a car accident and then started abusing drugs or meds or something like that?
Its funny how the canucks can never get a good young player going, or seem to always pick the wrong young player. They got cody hodgson and traded him away from kassian, then traded kassian away, I'm thinking very soon Bo Hovak is on his way out too!
Kassian's former coach puts the big guy under the bus.
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"There are a lot of players ahead of him right now in the organization. He's not my priority" - Michel Therrien on Zack Kassian going to AHL
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