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Originally Posted by supafamous (Post 8682662)

Spoiler!

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That is rough for VAG.

lol looks like VW will be the next Ford, GM and Chrysler.

oh shit, does this mean Prius won the battle?

I know VW was trying to fight against Prius by building fuel efficient diesel lineups.

Apparently the CEO that stepped down is now under criminal investigation. Audi TDI models are affected. Heard it on CBC this morning.

I was wondering if the Audi TDi's were also under investigation.

what about Porsche Cayenne diesel?

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8684245)

what about Porsche Cayenne diesel?

I have one on order for a client. Due on January 16th. He called me today freaking out looking to cancel the order. LOL!

There isn't any info on any affected Porsche vehicle at this point.

Unless the affected motors move into the V6's, from what I've read the defeat device was installed in 1.6 and 2.0L four cylinder vehicles so far (I also learned that Audi had a 2.0 TDI TT...)

^^yes, that's what I was thinking as well.

Consumer Reports did a test
This Is How Much Fuel Economy And Performance Drops When VW Diesels Stop Cheating

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Here are the numbers: On the 2011 Jetta TDI, 0-60 times increased from 9.9 to 10.5 seconds but the 2015 Jetta’s acceleration numbers were unaltered.

But the biggest changes occurred in fuel economy. Especially on the highway where the 2015 Jetta’s MPGs dropped from 53 to 50 and the 2011 Sportwagen’s plummeted from 50 to 46 MPG.

It just keeps getting worse for VW. The EPA has reported the cheating software in the 3 liter diesels in Audis and Porsches:

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US pollution regulators said late Monday that the Volkswagen emissions-test cheating scandal now includes Porsche, the brand that was run by VW's new CEO.

The Environmental Protection Agency said the cheating software to rig pollution tests was in 3.0 liter diesel engines in Audis and Porsches for model years 2014 to 2016.

"VW has once again failed its obligation to comply with the law that protects clean air for all Americans," Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator at the EPA's enforcement unit, said in a statement.

The agency said these diesel models contain the so-called "defeat device" cheating software: the 2014 VW Touareg; the 2015 Porsche Cayenne; and the 2016 Audi A6 Quattro, A7 Quattro, A8, A8L, and Q5.

Martin Winterkorn said he was "shocked by the events of the past few days."
That the scandal has now hit Porsche calls into question VW's new chief executive, Matthias Müller. Before recently being elevated to VW's top position to clean up the emissions scandal, he was the head of Porsche.
VW, however, disputed the EPA's assertion. The automaker said vehicles with the 3.0 liter diesel V6 engines "had a software function which had not been adequately described in the application process." The company said it is working with US pollution regulators to "clarify" the situation.

"Volkswagen AG wishes to emphasize that no software has been installed in the 3-liter V6 diesel power units to alter emissions characteristics in a forbidden manner," VW said.

The EPA countered:

VW's software on these vehicles includes one or more Auxiliary Emission Control Devices (AECD) that the company failed to disclose, describe and justify in their applications for certificate of conformity for each model. Every manufacturer must apply to EPA for and be approved for a certificate of conformity for each model each year, otherwise it is illegal to introduce the cars into commerce. An AECD designed to circumvent emissions test is a defeat device.
Porsche also said it is innocent. "We are surprised to learn this information. Until this notice, all of our information was that the Porsche Cayenne diesel is fully compliant," Porsche said in a statement.

In September, VW admitted that as many as 11 million diesel vehicles, from years 2009 to 2015, had the cheating software installed. The software would rig emissions tests by forcing the engine to pollute less during testing but allow the car to function much better and pollute more on the road. The US government said that the software allowed the vehicles to spew toxic nitrogen oxide up to nine times beyond EPA standards.

For its part, VW says it's a victim of "rogue" engineers who tinkered with the software unbeknownst to VW executives. The company insists this "was not a corporate decision."

The automaker has set aside as much as $7.4 billion to address the scandal, which includes criminal investigations on both sides of the pond.

The latest revelations affect about 10,000 cars in the US.

Bullshit on the "rogue" engineers. Maybe corporate didn't explicitly ask for such a device, but we all know what happens when corporate tries to force unattainable goals in unreasonable timelines on employees. "Creative" solutions are the result. And corporate is responsible for the end product.

Can't believe they are blaming it on engineers........

With a big enough payout under the table, I'm sure they can find a scapegoat.

Anything other than full admission and disclosure from corporate is going to look like a cop out. But "rogue" engineers? Come on! That's just a terrible story.

Well, it's easier than admitting that they purposely cheated. :fuckthatshit:

I'm curious if the 2016 Porsche Cayenne will be affected. Article says 2015 Cayenne but then mentioned 2016 as a blanket statement. It hasn't been built yet so I'm wondering if they will be changing what they need to change to comply before the build date.

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Originally Posted by white rocket (Post 8696117)

Anything other than full admission and disclosure from corporate is going to look like a cop out. But "rogue" engineers? Come on! That's just a terrible story.

One Man Established the Culture That Led to VW's Emissions Scandal

Coming from Lutz, it could be BS, but I wouldn't be surprised if Piech told them engineers, "get it to pass w/o urea or I'll replace yo ass".