First time I wasn't happy with so he's redoing it. Must admit, It's testing my patience. I know it shouldn't take this long, I'll wait as long as it comes out mint.

How is this guy making money, seems like he redoes every job

:rofl:

Apparently by charging 50% more than the competition.

Yea I got quoted a lot for a bumper repaint before. I'm assuming hes hoping to maximize his margins from people that won't notice his subpar quality of work by over charging and rushing his jobs.

Your quotes seem too high and it seems like members are over paying for your work. If you want to charge so much make sure you don't rush your jobs and do it right the first time. Larger reputable shops that have been around for a long time aren't even charging as much as you. I suggest you work on your business plan

i suppose i should caveat my post by saying that i am a friend of ts14. :fullofwin:

now, i'm not here to defend the guy cause in all actuality it seems like he did a pretty shitty job and fucked up your sub which he should pay for among other things. ts, if you're reading this fuck you cause you really did fuck up here big time buddy :)

what i do wanna point out is my perspective on the 400km on your odo.

people here are posting that he took it for a joy ride to whistler or did a fuck load of donuts and pounded that bitch to kelowna and back but to be logical here it doesnt seem like thats the case at all.

let me try and offer my theoretical explanation as to how your vehicle wound up with 400km.

the vehicle, while requested that it shouldnt be driven, was also requested to be stored safely.

according to ts, there was an issue with the ram or whatever thus there was difficulty storing the vehicle in the shop. lets give him the benefit of the doubt and simply assume this to be the truth as the building is old and so is the equipment inside.

he wanted to take "extra good care" of your vehicle and thus, brought it home to richmond where he could keep a "watchful" eye on it. (calling your home storage is pretty accurate lol but none the less you shoulda given the owner an honest heads up.)

arguably, i'd rather have my vehicle parked in a driveway in richmond than outfront of ts' shop as the area is sketch balls.


so lets do some math.

it takes approximately 20km (give or take 5km) to make it from VIP auto to central richmond ONE WAY. factor in the time frame, 2 weeks (14 days), he probably would have made 10 round trips with your vehicle to and from the shop (40km round trip X 10). 10 days could theoretically account for 10 business days in which he did work on your car.

i'm not saying this is the truth or defending the guy cause he fucked up here pretty good but it does provide a plausible theory. ts may have apologized and tried to own up for his mistake without actually thinking about how the kms wound up on the vehicle in the first place. rather he fell on the sword and owned up to the fact that the car had kms on it which the owner wasnt happy about and shouldered the blame.


did he fuck up? sure as hell he did.
should he be chastised for it? of course, sometimes it takes a beating to learn to make things right again
does he deserved to be crucified for it? not really, atleast not in my personal opinion.


just playing devils advocate here, in no way am i defending his lack of professionalism or the bro-talk or the shitty job he did but i thought i should toss this out there so that people can consider my view as well on the subject.


p.s. TS you fucked up big time here buddy, hope you learned from it :thumbsup:

How old is this guy... Just curious?

if you can't store a car for 1 night you should tell the customer to bring it back when you have the parts so you can do it in 1 day or 2. Not be driving the car back and fourth. Its just plain stupid.

Also by continuously responding on here he keeps bumping the thread to the top and making more people chime in and see it...like I just did :troll:

^ what VR6 said..

Get whatever parts needed to replace + paper work done in advance of their appointment date (say, only bumper replace + paint etc). Once customer comes in and drops off car, everything is done and returned to customer within 2 days (give or take if anything happens during the process). Usual routine done at shop I work at.

I had a longer post, but I will not speak on behalf of the RS Owner/Admin/Mod Team.

Personal opinion:

I will not be taking this thread down. I have not been asked to.

That being said, even if it were requested, I'm leaving this thread up. Sponsor or no Sponsor. (He's not) It stays.

He fucked up. He needs to deal with it.
Just don't go start a GoFundMe. But if you do, post it here.

I want this thread to be a reminder to EVERYBODY. If you had a shady dealing with a shop, or individual, SAY SOMETHING. Post it. Turning a blind eye, and chalking it up to a personal problem solves nothing. They'll just do it to the next person until they get put on blast.

That being said, Keep it clean. No Slander.

OP...With an ICBC claim where you can choose ANY shop to goto.

You chose a small no name shop...in an undesirable location and without proper fencing/storage.

Both parties made poor judgment.

He chose a shop that a lot of people have recommended. Had he known that others were having issues with the shop, I doubt he would have stuck with that choice.

I don't feel like that is poor judgement for selecting a shop.

I don't know too much about whether or not Meme405's claim was done through ICBC but if so, wouldn't dropping off his car earlier mean he can get a rental covered by ICBC sooner? If meme405 kept his car until the bumper was ready at the shop, he would be out without a car for a longer period of time
Then again, I have no idea on the scenario. Just a random thought that popped up.

Shop owner aka ts14 is young. Like early twenties.

:suspicious:

Not sure what that face is implying.

What would be the reason for having the car for 10 days then. If the car can be moving from the shop every day (as in not in the process of having work done) it should have stayed at one place or another (as in storage if it wasn't started, or at the shop if it was started) for the duration of that. You don't do work on a car, put it back together, take it somewhere, take it back somewhere, work on it again, put it back together again, drive it somewhere, etc.

I don't feel like piling on any judgement on the situation, but had to say something about your "theory."

how long has this shop been open and how are we just hearing about this now? I admit i'd probably just chalk it up as a one time mistake because the PR damage would be over 9000.

what a shame, because ts offered some good input when I had issues with my body shop.

You asshole. You ignored my PM 2 weeks ago when I asked about painting a spoiler.
I ended up getting it done somewhere else.
I guess in hindsight, good thing you did ignored me. Probably saved me a massive headache.

I honestly have no idea lol.

Like I said it was just a theory. I guess that since the work required wasn't mechanical or large (I.e. Replacing bumpers/fenders etc) the vehicle could still easily be driven. You're entirely right that the vehicle shouldn't have been moved from place to place though if work wasn't being done on it. I don't have any knowledge of auto body work so I proposed my theory based on what I do know and merely presented an alternate view of things :).

The claim was done through ICBC. I did not get a loaner car or a rental vehicle. Was a bit of an annoyance just because I had to get back from the shop after dropping off the car, and get to the shop to pick it up. But that has nothing to do with VIP. It's not their problem. I think VIP actually offered to give me a ride.

I'm sorry. But your "theory" is down right stupid. It probably would explain some of the km's your right, and believe me I have thought about that exact situation, but your theory appears to gloss entirely over the fact that apparently it is supposed to be okay for my car was driven back and forth from this dudes house 10 times!?

If TS was driving my car back and forth from his house in richmond he was not "keeping it safe", he was just using my car as his personal limousine for 2 weeks. You are naive if you think that for 2 weeks he couldn't find a way to get my car into the shop and keep it there. When he told me that he was taking my car to richmond, I assumed it would be just for that first weekend, and then on monday the car would be taken back to the shop when they are working, and it would be moved into the shop and kept there. If he had told me there wasn't room, and that instead he would be driving my car back and forth from his house everyday I would have told him to go fuck a hat.

I have a text from him on the Thursday June 4, saying the car is done and just waiting for wrap (which would have to wait till monday cause Wrap-Workz was busy). So even given your explanation there was no need to drive the car on friday, saturday or sunday. Monday the car was taken to wrap workz. It was there for three days, those guys didn't move it more than a few hundred feet, I believe them, they had my car for over a month before and the car sat in one place for the entire time.

But regardless, lets walk through your "theory" step by step just to show how ridiculous it is.

Saturday May 30 - I drop off the car. The car goes to richmond. Distance ~20km.

Sunday May 31 - NO REASON TO MOVE THE CAR.

Monday June 1 - Car is driven back to VIP. Distance ~20km. Then for some fucked up reason the car is driven back to richmond, stupid but lets roll with it. Distance ~20km. Total for the day ~40km.

Tuesday June 2 - Car is driven back and forth again. ~40km

Wednesday June 3 - Car is driven back and forth again ~40km

Thursday June 4 - I have a text saying the car is completed and waiting for wrap (appointment the following monday). Driven round trip ~40km.

Friday June 5 - No reason to move a car just waiting for wrap.

Saturday June 6 - Same as above

Sunday June 7 - Same as above

Monday June 8 - Car is already in richmond. Wrap workz is in richmond. Car is driven to wrap workz. Distance ~5km?

Tuesday June 9 - Car doesn't move cause it's in responsible hands

Wednesday June 10 - Car is picked up by TS. Driven round trip. Distance ~40km

Thursday June 11 - Car is driven round trip. Distance ~40km.

Friday June 12 - Car is driven to the shop. I pick it up there ~20km.

TOTAL KM's - 280km.

Now do you actually see how fucking far 400km's is?

i never said it was ok for him to drive your car back and forth for safe keeping, merely proposed the idea as a possibility. :)

you do make good points on mileage and i concede that it trumps my theory.

awaiting cman response as to the quality of work

Has anyone's head been fucked yet? Had to.

I reported to the dean already :ilied:

Well at least after this thread,
the shop will have a lot more space for "storage".
Wouldn't have to put 400kms on their cars then. xD