Yet Another English v. Mandarin Language War in Richmond...

[6o4__boi]

All I gots to say is, if you live in a country where you can't be bothered to learn the language. Fuck. You.

edit: oh wait, i said that already.

[sakuma drops]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

saw it on the news today, the strata president refused to comment to the news

non mandarin speaking owners were allowed to attend the meeting, but other than a greeting, in english, upon entry, the meetings were held in mandarin

this is according to two separate owners

unbelievable... at least one owner has brought the matter to the human rights tribunal, no doubt he'll win, but will it change anything...

the human rights tribunal was founded so something like headtax will not happen again, irony is that when the minority are the ones not using the the tribunal but this guy.





it's like racism at a whole new level.

[sakuma drops]

Originally Posted by fliptuner

Canada opened it doors to you - have some fucking respect.

We have been some of the most respectful and reputable in the community, Richmond has a very low crime rate. Many of us came as investors to better this country for ourselves and others.

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respect yo


bringing security to strata meeting, and demanding money from your neighbours is Anti-Canadian value. If I own a property in that strata I would sue
just for the fact he bring a security onto private property as a threatening mean.

[Timpo]

We have 35 million people in Canada.

6.5 million Canadians speak language OTHER THAN English or French at home. (That's almost 20%)

Map: Canada's most common non-official languages
2011 Census of Canada: Topic-based tabulations

We do not have a recent (2016) data, but I'm sure Chinese will rise even more.

[sakuma drops]

Originally Posted by Timpo

We have 35 million people in Canada.

6.5 million Canadians speak language OTHER THAN English or French at home. (That's almost 20%)

Map: Canada's most common non-official languages
2011 Census of Canada: Topic-based tabulations

We do not have a recent (2016) data, but I'm sure Chinese will rise even more.

also I want to point out that many of them are landed immigrants, and not citizens yet, but yet like that flip bitch said "Canada opened the door show respect" WHEN MAYBE not 1 person at the strata meeting can speak English.
So open the door and you punch them in the face? Since when did the young crowd in Canada became so racist. It just piss me off, you rev kids are Anti Canadian value


Fuck you I'm taking a nap

[MG1]

Originally Posted by sakuma drops

also I want to point out that many of them are landed immigrants, and not citizens yet, but yet like that flip bitch said "Canada opened the door show respect" WHEN MAYBE not 1 person at the strata meeting can speak English.
So open the door and you punch them in the face? Since when did the young crowd in Canada became so racist. It just piss me off, you rev kids are Anti Canadian value


Fuck you I'm taking a nap

Alrighty, then...............

[ae101]

its not the language that piss me off, its the respect

if u have a bunch of chinese that dont understand english, then maybe do chinese and English at the same time so both parties get some respect

[Marshall Placid]

IMHO, from what I've read, this is what I deduced:

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1- The Chinese owners can speak a little English.

2- The non-Chinese owners CANNOT speak Mandarin.

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Scenario # 1:
By making the meetings conducted only in Mandarin means:


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1- Only the Chinese residents would understand fully.

2 - The non-Chinese residents won't understand a single word being uttered (e.g. nothing).

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So, the non-Chinese basically cannot attend the meetings due to this language barrier.


Scenario 2:
On the other hand, if the meetings were only conducted in English, this means:

-----------

1- The Chinese residents would understand a little, but yet, they do understand a little.

2- The non-Chinese residents would understand the meetings completely.

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Solution:

If nothing is to be changed, the meetings should be conducted in English, because the Chinese residents know SOME English whereas the non-Chinese knows a single wit of Chinese.

i.e. Scenario # 2 is better than Scenario # 1.


Better solution:

The other major issue is the depth of understanding.

I do realise that a little understanding might not be conducive to effective meetings.

Therefore, the strata should stick with hiring the translator, if it is cost effective.

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Stalemate:

What if the translator is too expensive or if the Chinese members balk at the cost of hiring a translator?

After all, from what I've read, there are more Chinese residents than non-Chinese residents, thus in a vote that is for or against hiring a translator, then the Chinese residents would win.

So, what is the next step?

The problem lies in the fact that the non-Chinese residents simply don't understand a single Chinese word being uttered in the meetings; however, the Chinese residents do understand a little or SOME English.

This is the crux of the issue at hand: the amount of comprehension.

Add to this fact is the fact that English is the official language of this great Country.

I do hope that the Chinese residents do have some aspiration to become assimilated outside of their comfort zone.

I do digress.

If all else fails, the meetings should adhere to societal norm that [I think] is practised elsewhere in Vancouver and Canada as a whole:

English as the primary spoken language.

Or, conduct the meetings in Chinese and stick with the translator if the costs are bearable so EVERYBODY can understand.

After all, the non-Chinese residents are okay with the expense.

[kross9]

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by Marshall Placid

IMHO, from what I've read, this is what I deduced:

-------------------------
1- The Chinese owners can speak a little English.

2- The non-Chinese owners CANNOT speak Mandarin.

------------


Scenario # 1:
By making the meetings conducted only in Mandarin means:


-------------

1- Only the Chinese residents would understand fully.

2 - The non-Chinese residents won't understand a single word being uttered (e.g. nothing).

---------------

So, the non-Chinese basically cannot attend the meetings due to this language barrier.


Scenario 2:
On the other hand, if the meetings were only conducted in English, this means:

-----------

1- The Chinese residents would understand a little, but yet, they do understand a little.

2- The non-Chinese residents would understand the meetings completely.

------------------------



Solution:

If nothing is to be changed, the meetings should be conducted in English, because the Chinese residents know SOME English whereas the non-Chinese knows a single wit of Chinese.

i.e. Scenario # 2 is better than Scenario # 1.


Better solution:

The other major issue is the depth of understanding.

I do realise that a little understanding might not be conducive to effective meetings.

Therefore, the strata should stick with hiring the translator, if it is cost effective.

-------------------------

Stalemate:

What if the translator is too expensive or if the Chinese members balk at the cost of hiring a translator?

After all, from what I've read, there are more Chinese residents than non-Chinese residents, thus in a vote that is for or against hiring a translator, then the Chinese residents would win.

So, what is the next step?

The problem lies in the fact that the non-Chinese residents simply don't understand a single Chinese word being uttered in the meetings; however, the Chinese residents do understand a little or SOME English.

This is the crux of the issue at hand: the amount of comprehension.

Add to this fact is the fact that English is the official language of this great Country.

I do hope that the Chinese residents do have some aspiration to become assimilated outside of their comfort zone.

I do digress.

If all else fails, the meetings should adhere to societal norm that [I think] is practised elsewhere in Vancouver and Canada as a whole:

English as the primary spoken language.

Or, conduct the meetings in Chinese and stick with the translator if the costs are bearable so EVERYBODY can understand.

After all, the non-Chinese residents are okay with the expense.

This! great post imo

But come to the fact when you go to another place be it country or a new job, you learn their culture. like the language.

for example Germany passed a law for all refugees to learn the language to become a citizen is mandatory...

But what do we get in return for saying something like that? We get called a racist or we are "discriminating" people

If you're old i get it no point learning the language fluently, but if you're younger and LIVE here or plan to live here you should at least put in the effort. imo at least.

[GS8]

Originally Posted by sakuma drops

also I want to point out that many of them are landed immigrants, and not citizens yet, but yet like that flip bitch said "Canada opened the door show respect" WHEN MAYBE not 1 person at the strata meeting can speak English.
So open the door and you punch them in the face? Since when did the young crowd in Canada became so racist. It just piss me off, you rev kids are Anti Canadian value


Fuck you I'm taking a nap

[Euro7r]

Reminds me of everytime I go to superstore/T&T supermarket, always someone coming up to me to sell me on signing up a credit card, but they approach me speaking in Mandarin. I just put my hand up to their face and don't say a word and walk away.

This is not Asia, English/French should be the formal language of communication in Canada. If they don't want to even attempt to utilize it, I don't even want to listen. There are so many people that show no respect while living here, it's as though they can do whatever they want and expect everyone to abide to them.

[MG1]

^ I think even French is better than hearing shit in Mandarin......... I never thought I'd say French is okay. I understand it more than Mandarin. Plus, it sounds way more sexier, n’est-ce pas?

Mon petite cherie............ rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..........

[ae101]

thing is if u go most of the ppl that go to TnT are chinese, which is why they speak mostly canto and mando (when they see Chinese)

if a non Chinese shop there, they use english (nothing wrong with TnT)

this whole thing is stupid and full of crap, just get a translator (im sure they get a kid from the townhousecomplex to do it for $50 a night)

it's all about respect

[GLOW]

so are the meeting minutes all in chinese too? if so any resale will most likely have only interest from chinese buyers.

[Manic!]

It's only a matter of time before someone brings out a universal translator and this will be a non issue.

[CorneringArtist]

Originally Posted by ae101

thing is if u go most of the ppl that go to TnT are chinese, which is why they speak mostly canto and mando (when they see Chinese)

if a non Chinese shop there, they use english (nothing wrong with TnT)

this whole thing is stupid and full of crap, just get a translator (im sure they get a kid from the townhousecomplex to do it for $50 a night)

it's all about respect

Why the fuck can't someone with a passable knowledge of English from within the council translate and save the money on it? Or are they that defensive about conducting Chinese-only meetings that they would rather let this joke keep going as a means of controlling the strata budget?

[Mr.C]

You can take a person out of the BRIC, but you can't take the BRIC out of the person.

[ae101]

Originally Posted by CorneringArtist

Why the fuck can't someone with a passable knowledge of English from within the council translate and save the money on it? Or are they that defensive about conducting Chinese-only meetings that they would rather let this joke keep going as a means of controlling the strata budget?

i guess no one is willing to do it in the strata lol

[Reeyal]

Originally Posted by Euro7r

Reminds me of everytime I go to superstore/T&T supermarket, always someone coming up to me to sell me on signing up a credit card, but they approach me speaking in Mandarin. I just put my hand up to their face and don't say a word and walk away.
[...]

Why so rude? They are still people.

[melloman]

Originally Posted by Reeyal

Why so rude? They are still people.

Because not everyone that looks Chinese, speaks Mandarin/Canto. Why do you just ignorantly assume someone speaks something? Same shit.

Personally, respect and courtesy have flown out the window with the amount of immigrants that have entered into Canada lately. Both sides of my family at one time were immigrants, and they assimilated without an issue..

What the fuck are the Chinese's problems?

Spoiler!

I'll tell you. They think they're better than every other fucking person on Earth.

[smoothie.]

For example:

I'm better than melloman.

because hes a gwai lo

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by Euro7r

Reminds me of everytime I go to superstore/T&T supermarket, always someone coming up to me to sell me on signing up a credit card, but they approach me speaking in Mandarin. I just put my hand up to their face and don't say a word and walk away.

This is not Asia, English/French should be the formal language of communication in Canada. If they don't want to even attempt to utilize it, I don't even want to listen. There are so many people that show no respect while living here, it's as though they can do whatever they want and expect everyone to abide to them.

seriously though i'm picturing you doing this with sunglasses ala the rock, that would be awesome

Originally Posted by melloman

Because not everyone that looks Chinese, speaks Mandarin/Canto. Why do you just ignorantly assume someone speaks something? Same shit.

Personally, respect and courtesy have flown out the window with the amount of immigrants that have entered into Canada lately. Both sides of my family at one time were immigrants, and they assimilated without an issue..

What the fuck are the Chinese's problems?

Spoiler!

I'll tell you. They think they're better than every other fucking person on Earth.

when i check out at T&T cashier speaks to me in engrish ... should i be offended they assume i don't speak mandarin/canto or should i be pleased they use the language they should be using... sometimes i feel like it's the reverse feeling of getting ID'd at the liquor store

Originally Posted by smoothie.

For example:

I'm better than melloman.

because hes a gwai lo

[donk.]

hongcouver is not a decade away, its already here.

[Gee.Tee.Ar]

Originally Posted by donk.

hongcouver is not a decade away, its already here.

Hongcouver was more than a decade ago...There has been a net negative immigration rate for Hong Konger migrants for a while now.

[parm104]

I never understood why people get offended over language. We're not even talking about offensive language, just plain, foreign language. Am I an anomaly for not getting annoyed when I go to Richmond and see business signs in a foreign language?

Similarly, if I'm in Richmond, I expect to see signs in foreign languages. The demographics of that city is predominately Asian. It makes sense, it works, why not? If a business owner decides to exclude a demographic due to a printed or spoken language barrier, that's his/her own problem. Give your business to someone else.

We are not entitled to be spoken to or have business signs written in English and/or French. There really isn't anything rude about having someone speak to you in a foreign language unless they're doing it systematically to EXCLUDE you. Again, if you don't like it, don't give your hard-earned money to a business like that.

When I worked retail and had a customer come into the store that was ~ above 50 and Punjabi, I would purposely speak Punjabi. Out of the thousands of times I had spoken Punjabi to a customer, I only had ONE person get mad at me for doing it (the day after boxing day - trying to make a return).

Maybe I'm not aware of underlying cultural hostilities amongst the Asian communities so it'll be hard for me to understand. But on the surface, I really don't see why people get so bent out of shape about languages spoken by others. That being said, when it comes to a person's place of residence and being aware of the issues being discussed at open meetings, everyone should be included and exclusive practices like this is likely to rub me the wrong way too.