Right, but when the noise is coming out the back of the vehicle, who do you think is gonna hear it the loudest? The car in front, or the car behind?

I'll just flip the switch on my Porsche sports exhaust to silent mode if I get tested.

Your 996 has that?

Why does that matter? The only point I'm trying to make is you can hear it. Which I also specifically said why a quiet Prius is actually rather dangerous to the common passive driver who isn't paying attention. It's not just drivers, but even pedestrians too. If you can hear something, you'll be more aware of it.

You've continually missed my point, but I cannot further explain something so simple in any more detail than it already is.

Your logic doesn't make any sense. Your safety is always partially in the hands of other motorists. One example, you're slowing down and hoping the driver behind you is aware and doesn't rear end you. You can't take control of that. Like I said earlier, in the perfect world, of course defensive driving and awareness trumps all. But the world isn't perfect.

I was driving a prius downtown at night behind a bicyclist. Right when I was about to pass him he swerved left into the lane and I slammed my brakes and skid like 5 ft almost hitting the curb. He didn't even notice that whole incident and just continued riding his bicycle, never looking back. I agree the prius is way too quiet.

Simply making a bunch of noise like a twat won't get someone noticed, if people aren't paying attention to what's around them that includes sounds (look at all the idiots who don't react at all when honked at). The kind of people perceptive enough to notice that the loud noise is coming from their blind spot are the ones already checking it, so there's not going to be any benefit to loud exhausts besides letting everyone behind them in traffic know that Cunty McCuntington is ahead of them on the road.

A loud bike raises the awareness of the other motorists.

I brapped around town today on my 2 stroke. It was fun.

Yes, the Porsche Sports Exhaust has been available since the 996 generation.

Was watching old episode of Weeds, gangster started using a Prius for his whole crew. It's so quite good for drive by shooting lol

Why am i hearing the exhaust noise ticket comes with 3points.. Ive heard 3 people today getting exhaust tickets. One without a db being used. How are points justified for exhaust tickets

This ticket is so easy to contest, there's no way a decibel reading test stands up in court if it's not conducted in an isolated environment with no ambient noise in the background... these fools are just out to sell some papers and satisfy a few politicians that they're enforcing whatever is popular for votes at any given time. This is also assuming that the officer using the decibel meter has gone to training for using one (unlikely).

how much training do you need on a meter?
are there no meters that can block out most ambient noise?

say the new high-perf vehicles like the F-Type doesn't have quiet mode or whatever it's called, are stock exhausts actually very loud if the rpm are at sane levels that allows you to still accelerate decently quick in the city/highway? or are they loud because clutch dump and floored to 8k

How much training does someone need to hand over a breathalyzer and ask someone to blow in the tube? It's not just the device itself, it's the laws surrounding it and various scenarios that can occur. There's still a course for it and many DUI's are dropped due to no training for the officer administering the test or an officer trained to administer it took too long to get there with a unit.

And hell yes if I was pulled over on Granville and 16th (one of their favorite spots) and someone is just holding a decibel reader near my exhaust and buses and cars and horns and people are all waking by I'd be contesting that test sample as tainted and inaccurate.

Ambient city noise is anywhere between 55-65 decibels in a decent sized city, more if the city is heavily air-conditioned. That's a lot of pollution into your roadside test... It's like letting a super drunk person lightly breathe into the same tube you're blowing into during a breathalyzer. Especially when this is being used against you for punitive reasons and criminally given the points on a license, people should definitely insist on it being conducted professionally in an isolated environment with zero margin for error.

Just FYI, driving on the sidewalk is an $81 fine and 2 points.

... A loud exhaust is $109 and 3 points. Hell its zero points to drive without insurance

The fine is $598 + an instant tow and impound for no insurance though. When I made that mistake (I didn't do it intentionally) it ended up costing me somewhere near $900 since the towing company ripped me off.

edit: that's for no insurance

For loud exhaust???

^he was talking about no insurance

I'm with all of you, loud exhaust shouldn't carry any points. It makes no sense, its not a case of bad driving, or dangerous behavior. Having an exceptionally loud exhaust and revving it around just makes you an asshole. (Don't get me wrong I have an aftermarket muffler, I'm more thinking of guys in cars with no exhausts at all, or like straight pipes on their hondas.)

For being an asshole like that the government can freely pick pocket you, and if you still don't care about it, then they can just VI you and force you to fix the issue.

There is no reason why someone should receive points on their license for something related to their car. This isn't like texting and driving which we are trying to curb by issuing points, there are other means officers have at their disposal to correct the issue of an obnoxious exhaust.

Someone could argue that it could cause hearing damage to someone, especially a small child.

Yes, perhaps if you duct tape your baby to the back of a motorcycle or fart can equipped Honda, it could cause hearing problems. Smh.

Literally the only complaint I have ever heard, is that it is annoying. "especially in the summer when people have their house windows open all the time".

Like I said police have avenues aside from monetary penalties to force someone to fix their car. This should be the avenue taken to ensure the people fix their car. Not arbitrarily handing out points onto someones license.

Kids are more susceptible to hearing damage, and it's not exactly difficult for some bikes to get into hearing damage ranges when they pin it to pass you, for example.

You're right about the fines though, I'm not entirely sure why they're doing that as opposed to issuing VI's. A VI is more hassle for the driver but does actually force them to fix it.

sadly not for me it's not a seasonal issue. i live on the side of a hill and a old riced out mitsubishi eclipse with an n1 exhaust that would always floor it every day going up to wherever he lives, and when it rains i we get the added bonus of him spinning one single front wheel all the way up to the top. this is the only time i wish and pray for a crankwalk event to happen to someone...

I'm certain from here on out ICBC will make sure points are attached to any infraction. They've realized that they now have a secondary source of income, the Driver Penalty Point Premium, you can bet your ass that they have a full interest in seeing points attached to every single infraction out there. Wether it be a dangerous driving action or some sort of simple thing. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if at some point they started giving a point with every parking ticked issued either.