grandpa didnt comply with rcmp

rcmp did their job

edit: drag cameraman down stairs next time pls

I know this couple and will give my thoughts.

I used to work at a bank on North Road. Half the customers are Korean. This couple were frequent customers and I am not one bit surprised to see this come up.

I wholeheartedly believe the police did the right thing.

First issue is, it hasn't been fully stated what exactly occurred to lead up to the situation of cops being called. This video starts when the arguing is already happening. Based on my past interactions with them, the whole ordeal probably started hours before the video started.

This couple (lady in particular) is bat shit crazy. She would come into our bank, tell us how a competing bank is giving them a cheaper mortgage rate, and proceed to demand we give them the same rate... for hours... She would literally come every single day without an appointment, demand to speak to the account rep managing her stuff and if she wasnt available she would sit in the waiting area for hours and grab her as soon as she walks out of her office

She's all about face and money money money. When anything to do with additional fees came up, all hell broke loose. She would walk around with LV, Gucci etc. (Not sure if fake or not) tell us how she owns property in Korea so we should give her the best rates. Meanwhile her bank account speaks the opposite.

It got so bad to the point where we had to close her account and refuse them as customers.

About the elder abuse point. I cannot believe the guy on the film is shouting you are killing them! please. They were 100% fine and I don't know what else the police were supposed to do at that point, again would not be surprised if they already tried to talk this out with him hours before the filming happened. It's a korean thing for old people to "play dead" so to speak in a protest/don't agree with what is happening situation. I can understand that move in a protest situation but this was not a protest. It's just ridiculous, old people acting like babies. It happens in Korea all the time. Their attitude is rather get injured while trying to prove your point and get your way.

This whole situation reeks old school Korean way of handling things and the officers did what they needed to do here. This may fly in Korea with the traffic light uncle dudes but it wont in Canada. So many other things could have gone wrong. Look how close the kid is to the holster while wailing away

Case in point:
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I'm just entertained about all the comments early on, including the original video poster saying they don't speak english. And as it turns out now, they speak perfect english.

The video looks pretty bad, but honestly just like all the other videos, it cuts you into the middle of a scene, where you have no idea what transpired before hand to make the police act like that. So I have no idea who is wrong or right.

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Stupid old man should have followed simple direction.

If the rumor of the situation is true as stated by SolidPenguin, then definitely no patience and tolerance for assaulting a police officer.

However, not making assumptions and just seeing what we have on video, if I were the officers, I would have waited for back up to arrive (which they did in the video) and escorted the old man out with another officer. Two people can easily carry an 80 year old man out.

The question is, did the officers needed to extract the old folks out immediately right then and there, like it's top priority, and must resort to "dragging" an old man down the stairs? Or handle the situation with the elders' health and not afflict any unnecessary injuries as primary concern?

(not a question for you, but the officers should have thought about this first)

I'll put my 2 cents here.

As most people have said already; patience and experience is a huge factor in how the situation was handled and what could have been de-escalated.

Never forget risk assessment also plays a vital role. Was there a risk from the elderly people towards the officer. Was there a risk to the public? Was there a risk to themselves?Probably not from what it looked like on the video. It didn't get physical until the officers laid their hands on the individuals but we can't assume anything unless we witness what happened prior to the physicality aspect.

So verbalization is what the officers need to utilize.
Don't speak the language?
Call a translator. Federal Government translator on call available ? (Highly doubtful, maybe by way of phone call, but in person, no frickin way)

So no translator.
Hello bystander, I need you to help me translate.

Figure out what the hell is going on and what needs to be done.
In this case, grandma and grandpa need to leave the premises.
Child needs to be dealt with.
Child screaming? Try to get a hold of the parents. Not available?
Contact Child Services.
(By now, you should at least have some backup to deal with the child).
Don't want any unwanted distractions from the situation. Deal with one problem before moving on to the next.

Hopefully with the help of a bystander. Interpret.
I'm going to ask you to leave. No.
I'm going to tell you to leave. No.
Is there any reason why you won't leave? No
Disability, Medical reason? No.
I'm going to have to make you leave. No.

If after several attempts using verbals doesn't solve the issue.
Then you will have to utilize "use of force options".

Empty hand control soft, meaning applying pressure points, armbar escort if need be, or just have a bunch of officers carry out grandma/grandpa into the paddy wagon.

From watching the video only, officers rushed into making their decision, which made it look bad from our angle, but the behaviour of grandparents didn't really make it easy for them as well.

2 cents.

They spoke English fine from an article and personally if i was that old man I'd rather get dragged down stairs than a younger larger cop using a joint lock to escort me out. Rug burn and a few bumps is better than brittle old limbs and nerves being handled an a controlled yet aggressive fashion.

2 cops and a carry him off like a roast pig is how i would have done it. That or roll him up in a carpet and roll him down the stairs :lol

This story has now hit Korean news in Korea. The netizens don't seem to be siding with the elders on this one

Any chance of a source quoting what the netizens are saying? I'm interested in what the word is based on the background in this thread.

This is just another case of "I'm an entitled bitch and I think I'm better than everybody else."

Personally I hope the grand daughter is REMOVED from their custody and put into a foster home. If that's the kind of example you're setting for a child, you shouldn't have one. Especially now that we know the whole "no English" is bullshit, and that it is all over a fucking strata fee increase, these two "people" acted ridiculously.

People who are trying to defend the old peoples actions are also stupid. Yes, the RCMP could have handled this better. Yet they were called to REMOVE people, not to come and fucking babysit a strata meeting. Oh, you got hurt because you were RESISTING a police officer? What a fucking shame, boo hoo. Maybe next time, you could also TALK TO THE OFFICER AND NOT RESIST HIM.

:facepalm:

Elderly couple speak out about Coquitlam RCMP altercation caught on video | News Talk 980 CKNW | Vancouver's News. Vancouver's Talk

Suddenly speaks English, wants money. Typical.

I hope the judge throws their case out of the court so fast that they'll regret paying for the lawyers fees.

Bat their god dang heads in with a billy club!

Stupid old man wanted to be assaulted on camera to get a civil lawsuit out of an interaction with a cop.

Stupid old woman makes a scene at a bank daily for a good rate on a loan.

Stupid younger man wanted his property vandalized so he can sodomize the perpetrator with a baton. Stupid younger man also wants legal recourse from cold food from Ihop.

Stupid people wanting to get anything they can out of a confrontation. Shown to be incapable of setting proper examples for children.

Are you related to this family by any chance?

^bwahahahahahaha............... cough, cough.......... hahahahahaha.............ouch, my ribs............. rolling over with laughter............... hit the table............ hahahahahaha............ laughing so hard..............

That moment when it all comes back to you and you get it :lawl:

more videos, nothing interesting tho

Videos show events before B.C. RCMP arrest of elderly couple | CTV News

Why are all the video's titled, "RCMP Bad Behaviour." FFS, it should be titled, "Fucking Crazy Korean Seniors' Bad Behaviour."

And, the grammar of the written reports by the media................ yikes!

+1

Does anyone know what the issue of the civil war in the Strata was even about?

In that second video it looks like the woman is protecting the box on the table? Could be votes for strata council? Maybe they weren't happy with the election? Lol

Those two new videos just make them look worse

it was all in Korean which I dont speak and had a friend translate. They have something called naver which is like the google of Korea and it was one of the top searched on there

It was also on the tv news KBS, which is like the CBC of Korea

The consensus seemed to be

- you can only pull that kind of thing with Korean police officers
- they deserved it for the show they put on. Most younger Koreans know all about the sense of entitlement from the older generation

You are a police officer
You determine someone broke the law and needs to be arrested.
They refuse to go with you to the station by sitting on their ass.
You try talking to them, they don't give a crap about what you say, they are not moving.

Tell me what else you could've done at this point beside dragging their ass out?!?

Some of you seem to think the police used excessive force or should just let them go home since they are not "violent"?
Honest, I think they are getting the preferential senior treatment already. If it were any younger guy he probably would've been tasered, knee to the back of the head and drag down the stairs with cuffs behind his back, conscious or not.
And police should never drop an arrest just because they think the arrest will be difficult and gets physical. Once they decided to arrest you, you are getting arrested no matter what.