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Indy 03-23-2017 09:01 AM

fluid dynamics experts needed. less drag with spoiler...what?
 
So I was poking around on subaru.ca checking measurements and trying to figure out if my new car will fit in a parking spot at work and noticed something really odd. (I know somebody will make a comment...yes, before I bought the car I checked to see if it wouldl fit in my current spot but I've scoped out a new spot that is smaller but in a better location that I wanted to see if I could get)

For the WRX Base(completely spoilerless), WRX Sport/Sport-Tech(trunk lip) and STI Base(trunk lip) the CD is 0.34 but on the STI Sport/Sport-Tech the CD is 0.32

To me this is counter intuitive seeing as this spoiler is supposed to be functional at a certain speed. Even if the spoiler isn't making any downforce at lower speeds shouldn't it still create more drag?

Doesn't this mean that a WRX with an STI Spoiler would actually benefit from better fuel efficiency(all things being equal) and having functional downforce at speed?

Is this common or has subaru found a sweet spot in their wind tunnel testing where at that specific airspeed this anomaly occurs?

If you want to see what I was looking at go to the link below and then click on "Measures"

2017 WRX/STI Specs

SumAznGuy 03-23-2017 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy (Post 8830941)
For the WRX Base(completely spoilerless), WRX Sport/Sport-Tech(trunk lip) and STI Base(trunk lip) the CD is 0.34 but on the STI Sport/Sport-Tech the CD is 0.32

When I click on measurements, the base STi has a 0.32 CD.

Indy 03-23-2017 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy (Post 8830943)
When I click on measurements, the base STi has a 0.32 CD.

haha damnit I went to check it like 3 times before I posted. ugh.

so I guess it's something up front that's changing the numbers although I thought everything body wise was the same.

http://pictures.dealer.com/m/markmil...a11de056ax.jpg

http://s3.caradvice.com.au/thumb/770...aru-wrx-39.jpg

AstulzerRZD 03-25-2017 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy (Post 8830941)
So I was poking around on subaru.ca checking measurements and trying to figure out if my new car will fit in a parking spot at work and noticed something really odd. (I know somebody will make a comment...yes, before I bought the car I checked to see if it wouldl fit in my current spot but I've scoped out a new spot that is smaller but in a better location that I wanted to see if I could get)

For the WRX Base(completely spoilerless), WRX Sport/Sport-Tech(trunk lip) and STI Base(trunk lip) the CD is 0.34 but on the STI Sport/Sport-Tech the CD is 0.32

To me this is counter intuitive seeing as this spoiler is supposed to be functional at a certain speed. Even if the spoiler isn't making any downforce at lower speeds shouldn't it still create more drag?

Doesn't this mean that a WRX with an STI Spoiler would actually benefit from better fuel efficiency(all things being equal) and having functional downforce at speed?

Is this common or has subaru found a sweet spot in their wind tunnel testing where at that specific airspeed this anomaly occurs?

If you want to see what I was looking at go to the link below and then click on "Measures"

2017 WRX/STI Specs

Drag and downforce aren't directly proportionate. An aerodynamically efficient design is meant to create downforce with as little drag as possible

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Timpo 03-25-2017 11:32 AM

Some spoilers are very well engineered that they will increase the downforce and decrease the drag.

I have seen such spoilers from TRD, Mazdaspeed, Mugen, etc.
If you add spoiler, it changes the airflow of the back of the car.

My amateur guess is that it changes the slipstream so that low pressure air isn't dragging the car backwards anymore.

As you can see, these vehicles create a lot of drag
http://www.evilution.co.uk/files/info/venturi3.jpg
http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/upu...s/slipstr1.png

Solar cars like Nissan Sun Favor, Toyota Rara10, Honda Dream had drag coefficient of 0.10 to 0.11
http://www.speedace.info/solar_cars/...rodynamics.gif
http://solarlifestyle.net/wp-content...solar-car1.jpg
http://sunlake.org/solar/archaeology...994/16rara.jpg
http://www.group1nissan.co.za/blog/w...red-nissan.jpg

underscore 03-25-2017 03:49 PM

Won't the top trim level have more features = more weight, which should make the car sit a hair lower (since I assume the suspension is the same)?

hud 91gt 03-25-2017 05:22 PM

Some spoilers reduce lift and do nothing for downforce. They can also decrease drag. Its very specific to each application.


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