Vancouverites facing potential fines for not clearing sidewalks

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by flagella

You aren't getting my point. I don't even care what it constitutes as. I'm simply pointing to the reality, and how well-prepared you can expect the general population to be for a rare snow storm that hits the city once every several years. That's fantastic you got your dad a snowblower, but it's irrelevant here when we are talking about overal statistics.

As I said earlier, more deaths occur from idiots running summer/all-season tires in winter. People slipping on some ice and falling to death simply doesn't happen as often and isn't as deadly. If the city is so anal about issuing fines as a measure to improve overall safety, start targeting the ones who are too cheap to buy a set of winter tires. It's much easier to target the dumbasses this way too. I lose count of how many close calls I see every year, with cars struggling to drive up even a slight uphill, or failing to stop going downhill and crashing into a pole (could've easily been people). Don't we even get these threads every year on this forum? Cheap fucks who save $ living with the parents to modify cars, but don't have enough $ to buy a set of winter tires.

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

I'm not 100% certain, but tires I'm pretty sure fall outside of the jurisdiction of local bylaws.

Also, Ministry of Transportation had to roll back their winter tire requirements on winter routes because stupid people argued they should be allowed to use M+S rated tires because they were "Mud and Snow" rated and won in court (stupidest thing ever), so I doubt they'd be successful in the City of Vancouver if they can't require you to have actual snow tires outside of the city.

[320icar]

Flagella, you seem pretty naive.

If you own a house, you probably also own...

- a hose
- a shovel
- a lawn mower
- usually a weed whacker
- sometimes a bbq
- some recycle and garbage bins
- a wheel barrow often
- potted plants
- a watering can

You are telling me that it's unreasonable to keep a fucking shovel and a fucking bag of salt.

[flagella]

The naive one is you who, despite seeing the reality that many apparently didn't carry one (especially the new homeowners who purchased in recent years), continue to repeat the same shit over and over. Are you that stupid?

I'm not telling you that it's unreasonable to keep a fucking shovel and a bag of salt. This is what happened. Your over-reaction to it is amusing. Logic much?

[320icar]

Right, so tens of thousands of people who got multiple fines, they just moved into a house in Vancouver and have never owned a townhouse or detached home that they should have also had a snow shovel from. I just find it a piss poor excuse.

I don't see why anyone couldn't have just knocked on their neighbors door and asked to borrow theirs... But whatever. I'm a pleb basement suite renter (and yes, I shoveled and salted my landlords driveway and sidewalk, and both neighbors on each side. Life isn't that hard)

[Sw0op]

Originally Posted by flagella

The naive one is you who, despite seeing the reality that many apparently didn't carry one (especially the new homeowners who purchased in recent years), continue to repeat the same shit over and over. Are you that stupid?

I'm not telling you that it's unreasonable to keep a fucking shovel and a bag of salt. This is what happened. Your over-reaction to it is amusing. Logic much?

are you kidding me? we bought a place last summer and one of the first things we bought was a snow shovel and ice salt...even scored one on clearance because we bought it well ahead in advance. dont label your lack of foresight on to others

[underscore]

Originally Posted by flagella

Vancouver's climate is rather different from many other cities in the country.

Not really, it snowed in Vancouver, just like everywhere else. Vancouver isn't special.

Originally Posted by flagella

The point is, it's even difficult for the people who grew up here to prepare so many months in advance when you have only seen a few snowstorm as huge as what we had this past winter over the last decade. Some had snow shovels because you already purchased one from years ago, not because you foresaw what was coming and fucking bought one last spring/summer.

It may have snowed more than normal, but it's not like Vancouver hasn't seen snow in 40 years or something. Even if it only snows a little you still need to clear your sidewalk, so most people should have had shovels for a while now.

Originally Posted by flagella

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.

Yet you seem to think stores should be prepared for it? You do realize they can't just snap their fingers and have stuff in their warehouse right?

Originally Posted by flagella

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

That's exactly what people do in every other place that it snows. Get a friend, family member or neighbour kid to shovel the snow while you're gone, no different from getting them to move the law or water your plants.

[westopher]

I can't believe Flagella is still losing his fucking shit about shovels 8 months later. Jesus fuck.

I had an icy windshield, and I couldn't get a scraper. I used a credit card.
If you have a snowy sidewalk and no shovel grab a fucking piece of cardboard or something. All it is, is a goddamn straight edge attached to a fucking stick. Learn some problem solving skills.

[flagella]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not among the ones that have been issued a ticket, as I have diligently taken care of my sidewalk. I simply don't have an attitude of "this is Canada!" or "you're a dumbass if you didn't purchase snow shovel and salt when you first purchased your home, and now it's your fucking fault when every store is out of stock".

I'll lay it clearly for you fuckwits one last time and I'm out of here. The lack of logical reasoning from some people is too clear in this thread. Suddenly, we get chefs and retail sales people chiming in about their amazing problem-solving skills!

Fact #1: Many people did not purchase shovels and salts and stock them months in advance.

You trash these people by calling this lack of preparation or a lame excuse while I don't necessarily think so. I frankly think it's fine for people to expect that these supplies would be in stock during winter when needed. This is a fairly normal human behavior, similar to how people wait until the first heat wave to hit in summer before purchasing A/C.

Fact #2: When the snow storm hit, every store was completely out of snow shovels and salts for weeks. Oftentimes they restocked on weekdays so unless you don't have a job, good luck ever scoring one.

The combination of these two did, in fact, make many people's life more difficult. You live in a rain city where many people still can't drive in the rain. Why are you fucking surprised when people struggle with a major snow storm?

[westopher]

Let me sort it out for you.

If you don't have a shovel....Figure it out.

This guy didn't get a ticket because he "shovelled in the morning and it got covered again while he was at work."

It doesn't work like that.

You also flew of the handle at underscore implying he was racist because he said "this is Canada"
Guess what. It is Canada, and it snows here. It snows here for Canadians, Filipinos, Mexicans, Chinese, Americans, and whoever else is living here.
He's racist because he said it snows in Canada? Its not directed at some group of people.

Follow the law. If you don't have the tools to do it, figure it the fuck out. Thats the way it works.

[Mancini]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Also, I doubt most people just started living at their current place of residence. It's not going to be El Nino every year.

Also, people are lucky they're only getting a fine from the city and not a lawsuit against their home insurance policy for someone breaking a hip due to their negligence.

It's worse than that. Its a lawsuit against the homeowner personally, which they can then claim if they have insurance.

[fliptuner]

Lol I bet these are the same people that don't bother to find out where their water shut-off is, til there's 3" of water in their second floor laundry.

[GS8]

flagella sounds like a



Snowflake

[frozen]

Originally Posted by 320icar

You live in Canada, guess what it does a fair bit of? SNOW! If you have enough space for a lawn mower or shit in a 5000sqft Richmond China-box, you damn well have enough room to buy ONE shovel and a bag of salt.

Jesus Christ you people are dumb. You are the kind of person who goes camping and doesn't bring newspaper to light the fire, or only bring a hatchet

You and underscore are just dancing together on your racist rhetoric aren't you? You seem pretty mad about foreign investors. Let me guess, you are slaving away and saving every penny to try to purchase a place, but can't. You can't even relocate because your lack of transferable skills prevent you from doing so. Also, this is off-topic, but if you are the Focus ST owner that used to drive on Kingsway in PoCo every morning, it sounded god awful like a wet fart.

[320icar]

Lol, can't tell if srs. And no I never leave richmond

[frozen]

I should've figured, considering how mad you are at the "Richmond China-box". I still had to ask because it was also a blue ST, and there aren't that many who overpay for such a junk. I hope driving past all those "China-box" daily doesn't make you go insane. At least leave Richmond once in a while to give yourself a break. I would actually pay to see the rage you will unleash one day when you slip on the icy sidewalk of a "China-box".

[320icar]

Bro you try WAY too hard. Can't rustle my jimmies bruh

[meme405]

Originally Posted by flagella

You aren't getting my point. I don't even care what it constitutes as. I'm simply pointing to the reality, and how well-prepared you can expect the general population to be for a rare snow storm that hits the city once every several years. That's fantastic you got your dad a snowblower, but it's irrelevant here when we are talking about overal statistics.

As I said earlier, more deaths occur from idiots running summer/all-season tires in winter. People slipping on some ice and falling to death simply doesn't happen as often and isn't as deadly. If the city is so anal about issuing fines as a measure to improve overall safety, start targeting the ones who are too cheap to buy a set of winter tires. It's much easier to target the dumbasses this way too. I lose count of how many close calls I see every year, with cars struggling to drive up even a slight uphill, or failing to stop going downhill and crashing into a pole (could've easily been people). Don't we even get these threads every year on this forum? Cheap fucks who save $ living with the parents to modify cars, but don't have enough $ to buy a set of winter tires.

Also, how does the city deal with people who go on vacation? I guess it's not just the real estate that's expensive here, but you better hire people to look after your sidewalk when you are away for two weeks vacationing.

So your excuse for not shoveling your sidewalk is because other people don't run winter tires on their cars, and this is your way of protesting that?

Did your mom sneeze while you were crowning?

Spoiler!

Also I'm shocked/appaled/confused at how pointing out "we live in Canada" is being construed as racism. You guys do realize that it's a fact that Vancouver is located in Canada right?

[twitchyzero]

[FerrariEnzo]

Originally Posted by flagella

My question is, why the fuck do you even have an expectation for the general population to be prepared for such one-off major snowstorm when in reality many people fail at much simpler things? Lower your standard, stop whining if you slip wearing your converse shoes.

Doesnt matter if its a major storm or little one.. Its still YOUR responsibility to clear it.... if you dnt like it, go move into a condo or something... or you could just pick up a phone to call someone to do it for you and pay them...
I bet this years snow storm will be same or maybe worse then last years.. seeing as its the trend for the past few years.. SO you better prepare NOW so you dnt cry about it later

[frozen]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Bro you try WAY too hard. Can't rustle my jimmies bruh

I actually commend your bravery (or foolishness?) for throwing out racist remarks on a forum that is frequented by tons of "China-man". It's even more interesting because this is a local forum, you claim you live in Richmond, and you whore out pictures of your car every few days, which makes you easily identifiable. Why would you even do that?

[CivicBlues]

Wow, mods musta took the weekend off.

Off to fightclub we go

[320icar]

Yeah I dunno what his problem is. Anyone who grew up in richmond regardless of race called them China-box's lol. No hate or grudges, it's just what they were called. If brown people were knocking down all the old houses in Richmond and building huge pink-stucco covered box shaped homes then they might have been called brown boxes. If white ppl did that they would probably be called barns.

He's just desperate to get offended or something

[twitchyzero]

I don't see how the colour or shape of a house has anything to do with clearing a walkway

[underscore]

Originally Posted by flagella

You trash these people by calling this lack of preparation or a lame excuse while I don't necessarily think so. I frankly think it's fine for people to expect that these supplies would be in stock during winter when needed.

So it's fine for people to not be prepared in any way for it to snow, you think that instead stores should be the ones preparing for other peoples lack of preparation, at great cost to them?

Originally Posted by frozen

You and underscore are just dancing together on your racist rhetoric aren't you? You seem pretty mad about foreign investors. Let me guess, you are slaving away and saving every penny to try to purchase a place, but can't. You can't even relocate because your lack of transferable skills prevent you from doing so. Also, this is off-topic, but if you are the Focus ST owner that used to drive on Kingsway in PoCo every morning, it sounded god awful like a wet fart.

Please quote me saying something racist and blaming foreign investors for ANYTHING. I'll wait.

[frozen]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Yeah I dunno what his problem is. Anyone who grew up in richmond regardless of race called them China-box's lol. No hate or grudges, it's just what they were called. If brown people were knocking down all the old houses in Richmond and building huge pink-stucco covered box shaped homes then they might have been called brown boxes. If white ppl did that they would probably be called barns.

He's just desperate to get offended or something

Did growing in up in Vancouver make you fearless? That you are free to say things without any consequences because they aren't offensive to you and that's how it's always been called? Our neighbor across the border definitely isn't that friendly, and I'm certain none of my Asian friends would be pleased to hear the term "China-box". Once again, you are a fool going around a local forum, making yourself easily identifiable, and throwing out remarks that are potentially offensive to many.