This article explains everyone and after reading it no one should dispute it.

https://bccla.org/news/2017/07/civil...ment-de-khadr/

Canada didn't fail him when you're 15 tossing fucking grenades around. Fuck him

You know for a fact that he was tossing grenades?

Honestly does it even matter? You're in Afghanistan on your own will fighting against allied forces and associating with groups directly related to terror sects?

In any account, the group he was with were associated with the groups being sought out by the allied forces, and a firefight ensued in which both American and Afghan allies died.

You were born in fucking Toronto and now you're in a mud hut in Afghanistan along side guys with AK's and grenades.. sounds like a choice was made along the way..

But he was only 15..and in Canada we live in a society where you can bat people to death in the head as a minor and serve a term that doesn't reflect a cold blooded murder because "you're too young to know better"...

He was 9 when his parents took him to Afghanistan. I am pretty sure he did not have a choice in the matter.

I am all for compensating the falsely convicted, who are later exonerated of the crime, when sufficient evidence is provided. This is not the same issue, as he was not held and convicted through a fair trial. Injustices occurred, his rights were violated, but it does not mean he never did the things he was accused of. I am not comfortable handing him millions of dollars, knowing he could very well be guilty.

What do you want to hear?
White people. Brown people. Asians, Afghanis, and Croatians.
Basically, people who don't want to kill others because of race or religion. You know, your family, friends, and neighbours.

Do you know for a fact that he wasn't tossing grenades?

:fuckyea:

Paying Khadr does the opposite of the torture he endured. While torture shows an enemy that we're willing to go medieval on someone, this payout shows that Canada is weak, and will negotiate with alleged terrorists. Why doesn't ISIS attack China? Because they know that if they did, China would level the middle east without thinking twice.


One last note to inv4zn, Nlkko, Shorn, Sid Vicious, StylinRed, twitchyzero, and underscore..... I know you're sitting there red faced, saliva coming out of the side of your mouth feverishly hitting the fail button in an attempt to upset me. Just an fyi, it's not working. You don't need to waste the click on me. Use it to better yourself. Maybe follow Tony Robbins on facebook?

But hey, if it makes you feel better, have at er'.
:)

And that's why your Innocent until proven guilty.

His dad dragged him over there when he was 9 fucking years old, do you think he had a say in that? Do you think a 9 year old stuck in a warzone has a way out of there? Even if he did, where the hell is he gonna go? "Nah dad, I'm gonna bounce, it's show and tell in class next week and Steve is gonna bring in his older brothers snake" probably wasn't gonna work.

Even if you ignore his age, and his circumstances, hell even if you assume he's probably guilty, that doesn't change the fact that EVERYONE should have a proper trial. There's no justifiable reason to send someone to gitmo based on unproven allegations alone, and then torture them for completely worthless information for a decade.

Or is it justified because you think he's one of those big mean terrorists everyone's been scared shitless of for the last 17 years for basically no reason? Which of course means they got exactly what they wanted, they won purely because everyone pisses themselves if a vaguely middle eastern guy is anywhere near them because of one success in the west. They are committing many more atrocities in the middle east but I get the feeling the people scared of "muh turrurists" don't give a shit what happens to those people.

Now that's a good point.

But wouldn't Canadian law be followed only if the offense happened in Canada?
The offence occurred in Afghanistan, while he was imprisoned on sovereign US soil. So who's laws apply?

From the Canadian gov't website regarding travelling outside of Canada.

And that's just for drug possession.

There are 1700 Canadian citizens in jail around the world. Some of them in conditions that are far worse than Gitmo ever was. Some of them in jail because they couldn't get proper defense due to language or social barriers. Maybe we should help those folks out? Do Canadian citizens get treated better in foriegn prisons?

Anyway, this has taken up more time than it should have. Also the check has already been cashed, and Global news was able to speak with him.


I didn't sign any of the petitions, nor did I protest the payment. It really doesn't have any bearing on my life. Good luck to Omar and his money. May he use it for good.

I'm really hoping that he is telling the truth in the interview, and we won't hear the name Khadr again.

Yes we should and that's one of the reasons we have embassies around the world. Remember when ex president Bill Clinton went to North Korea to help free those 2 American journalists?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_i...t_to_Pyongyang

We might have "failed" him by not securing his extradition to canada after his attack, but it doesnt change the fuck this guy at 15 year old killed a servicemen. When our servicemen dies their widows and families dont get millions of dollar and they paid the ultimate price to serve their country. This guy because of circumstance sure as shit doesnt deserve that kind of money. maybe a 1 million tops, but certainly not that much coin for something he knew full well carrying out.

I just think its insulting to our enlisted troops that we are paying a brat who killed somebody 10 million clams.

It's insulting to every single person who ever suffered an injustice and didn't even receive a verbal apology.

No its what makes Canada great because we don't go down to the level as the terrorists, this is one of the greatest first world countries in the world and a government admitting they were wrong is a huge step or our civil liberties in the future.

His attack??? They attacked him. Also there is no proof he killed a serviceman.

So I guess we should hand out everyone who is a Canadian and were treated injustice 10+millions of dollars because we didn't try hard to enough to give them a fair trail. As someone quotes there are more than 1700 Canadian abroad for drug trafficking and they are now in jail without a proper trail SO I guess that also should be compensate 10+ millions of dollars.

Yet when one of our serviceman/woman die all they get is a flag over their coffin if even while their family aren't even compensated.

Great job Canada! I sure will know which side I will be on when I needed 10+ millions of dollars.

Show me another case where Canada has let a 15 year old rot in jail for 10 years in a foreign without doing nothing.


Also:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/murtaza...ue_a_23020992/

Canada and Al Qaeda are ZioAmerican proxy armies... seems like most Canadians are stupid cogs that think we went into Afghanistan to kill Bin Laden, the master mind behind 911.

http://i.imgur.com/o0vaS9R.png

There is NO proof that Omar Khadr threw the grenade.

Please read up about what actually happened in Afghanistan in 2002.

US soldiers was checking out a residential complex where a "monitored" cell signal came from. Some baddies started shooting and the soldiers backed away. They dropped a 500 lb bomb and bombed the fuck out of the area. Then SOMEONE threw a grenade at them which ultimately killed Sgt Speer. After that, they went in, shot and killed a guy who was still alive, and shot Khadr in the back 3 times.

"February also saw the accidental release of a five-page "OC-1" witness report to reporters, which revealed that Khadr had not been the only survivor in the compound, as previously claimed, and that nobody had seen him throw the grenade."

"In March, Kuebler insisted that "Lt. Col. W." had initially written in his report the day after the firefight that "the person who threw a grenade that killed Sgt. 1st Class Christopher J. Speer also died in the firefight", implying that the grenade had indeed been thrown by the surviving Mujahideen, and not by Khadr. The report was rewritten months later to say that the grenade thrower had been "engaged", rather than "killed", changing the wording that exonerated Khadr."

Source: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/..._accident.html

So let's clear it up once and for all, with facts:

1. Omar Khadr was spent his childhood between Canada and Pakistan, and was moved to Afghanistan at the age of 10. His father, no doubt a shithead, has ties with al-Qaeda, including Osama bin Laden. Did you really have much control of your life when you were 10?

2. Khadr was shot after a grenade was thrown by an unknown person (a Mujahideen was also alive and present when the grenade was thrown), is permanently blinded, and taken to Bagram Airbase for medical attention.

3. Khadr's chief interrogrator at Bagram was a man named Joshua Claus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Claus), who was later found guilty of mistreating & abusing a detainee who died.

4. Khadr is transferred to Guantanamo Bay.

5. In 2010, Khadr takes a plea deal that lets him get repatriated back to Canada.

6. Khadr is transferred back to Canada in 2012, and released in 2015.

Now tell me exactly why you don't think he deserves compensation. The SUPREME COURT that decided, unanimously, that we as a country have failed one of our citizens, when he was 15 years old, to let him be tortured and mistreated by the US, imprisoned and forced into a plea deal that had NO evidence, be imprisoned for 13 years.

And don't make the comparison with soldiers and their compensation when they die. They sign up for it, they know exactly what they are getting into. I'm not saying they don't deserve more but this is a kid who wouldn't be allowed to buy a beer and they shot him 3 times in the back. The 2 things simply shouldn't be compared.

Anyway, I spent way too much time on this. I just hate it when people start riding on the bandwagon listening to shit they hear on Facebook and doesn't look at the facts.
We're in 2017, we have all the information in the world available at your fingertips, and people are just too fucking lazy to go out and look for it and instead believe whatever the fuck they hear and go with popular opinion.

^Good post. I admit myself at first I was surprised and angry that Khadr was awarded such a sum, but after further investigation (which I really wish we all did more nowadays, with all this clickbait) I can't see any definitive proof that he did anything wrong. Besides even if he did throw the grenade, it's war, they're not allowed to fight back? Heh.

My main thought is why isn't the US paying this sum? They're the one's who imprisoned the guy, and didn't follow proper diligence to send this Canadian citizen back to Canada for proper trial.

^Because (allegedly) he was tortured by Canadian agents.

do I think he killed the US serviceman
probably

but consider that

- he was a minor
- has since turned his life around
- did not receive fair trial

i laugh at the feds all the time but if one thing that they did right since coming to power was eliminating different classes of Canadian citizens.

i know the last time most of us read through the Charter was probably back in grade school.

Your last point is as effective as asking us to prove that gravity doesn't exist

Why yes, spending all those fails made my day infinitely better and each press released a hit of dopamine. It had nothing to do with your short-sighted arguments, unwillingness to see things from more than one angle or the fight club antics for a moderator.

if they were about to win a major case that would cost way more than 10M, while being minor at the time of alleged offense, and spent almost a decade in torture as notorious as GTMO by Canadian officials

then yes maybe we should

Let's get real here, there was no "justice served" in this payout. It was to get out front of the inevitable shit storm which would have happened if they had ever let it get to court.

You think there was an anti Muslim sentiment brewing before? Wait until the trial is public and testimony of events starts coming out. Even in his most recent interviews Omar claims to remember nothing of the events leading up to his capture and eventual detainment at GITMO.

It was a PR move, plain and simple. And if shit was as cut and dry as the bleeding hearts in here say, do you think literally EVERY media outlet would be asking whether you agree or not with the payment? Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn

And Shorn digging up some ducking article from the star trying to lay out the "facts" yea..ok..

This is really dividing the country. No one can win this argument because frankly I don't believe that there is a right decision.

That said, it seems like division is what Trudeau et al care about these days.