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CharlesInCharge 10-11-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8865947)
Did they confirm that his AR rifles were 7.62?
I ask, because most AR rifles are 5.56 calibre. It's a NATO sized round which was actually designed to work with the AR15 rifles, along with a lot of other guns too. I've shot a ton of 5.56 out of a number of different firearms. I've shot with friends who have TAVORs, ARs, ACRs, bullpups, and even had the chance to shoot with a local PD tactical sniper who used a suppressed AR in 5.56 calibre. Pretty much every type of ammunition on the market, including chinese military rounds (which were terrible btw...). The bottom line is that the sound a 5.56 makes will vary based on load size, projectile size, projectile type, barrel length, and shooting area.

Youre right, it probably is that size and actually in the 'acoustic analysis' video, the chart/calculations that were made is for the .223 Remington\5.56 caliber bullet.
Another comparison pic.


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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8865947)
I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a second shooter, just like I wouldn't be surprised if it was confirmed that a single shooter did so much damage.

As for the shooting victim, entry wounds are typically small. It's the exit wound that is a mess, as the projectile splinters in the victim's body, and forces it's way out the other end.

:fullofwin:

Its just a matter of finding a flaw in the story.
Here is that security guard speaking about being shot on the 32 second floor at 9:59 just before the shootings (10:05-10:15) and the 72 minute police\swat response.
2 videos here Vegas Hotel Worker Warned Police Of Shooter Before Massacre Began | Zero Hedge

In this news video it says a maintenance worker got shot at first, then the security guard after Paddock was shooting into the crowd.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-...fire-on-crowd/


Even simple surveillance of Paddock bringing his bags of guns in shouldnt be kept secretive as there is no reason to not show this. This would atleast let us somewhat know he wasnt a patsy and had some kind of intention.
It'll be like the kept footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon on 911 all over again.

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Originally Posted by JDął (Post 8865965)
Don't make me get in to bullet damage with you again, you moron. With no exit wound that's clearly a ricochet or shrapnel fragment injury. I mean they treated it with a bandaid FFS.

I said supposed bullet hole but also the guy said it hit his pelvis so that could explain no exit wound if it was from a small round.

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Originally Posted by JDął (Post 8865965)
Guy was probably dual wielding. There IS video of overlapping fire from weapons with different pitches. What is curious though is that they've claimed the guy had cameras in the room to record his own massacre, but they didn't see on those recordings when he fired through the door of his room and when he shot himself? The whole thing is just bizarre.

If the police claim the shooter only had large caliber bullets and the amateur acoustic analysis being correct... then there must be another source of shots. I wouldnt even exclude the thought of some kind of helicopter drone.

twitchyzero 10-11-2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZN6 (Post 8865968)
I think you've been playing too many FPS games or have been watching too many Hollywood movies.

that'd be nice
only logged a few hours in R6 Siege
also haven't sat down to watch movies in probably 6 months

honestly though...was it poor reporting or were they clearing floor-by-floor?

not saying they should go gun-blazing into his room without a plan but there's surely a sense of urgency to expedite even if they're taking a worst-case scenario approach.

welfare 10-11-2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Money (Post 8865975)
the real question is.....he had his own cameras set-up and even one recording himself....why?

Well he was planning to escape. Maybe making a scrapbook?

originalhypa 10-12-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge (Post 8865995)
I wouldnt even exclude the thought of some kind of helicopter drone.

I never even considered this. Not necessarily for the Vegas shooting, but as a general tool for terrorists to wreak havoc.

Geezus man, that would be terrifying if a group was able to get their hands on a half dozen militarized drones. There are some brilliant people out there who could easily convert existing technology into something nefarious.


Berzerker 10-12-2017 10:42 AM

After recent updates and further evidence released it appears as though he didn't intend to die in that room. The explosives in his car that weren't hooked up to a trigger, the body armor, and his attempt at a diversion (shooting the fuel tanks) suggest that possibly he was hoping to walk out of that room and leave the hotel if the tanks went boom and caused a big enough distraction. Perhaps the camera's were there to show the Police exactly who did it. If he planned further harm to people he could have been planning to drive the car somewhere to inflict more casualties and blowing himself and the car up. The videos would demonstrate a lone gunman at work with legal rifles. I'm curious if there is any narrative from him or if it's just recording his actions.

This is speaking more and more to me of a person who was trying to establish some form of discussion on Gun Control. Why do it this way though? As a lone person you have absolutely NO VOICE. As a "crazy" gunman you rally the people.

Berz out.

twitchyzero 10-12-2017 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8866165)
I never even considered this. Not necessarily for the Vegas shooting, but as a general tool for terrorists to wreak havoc.

Geezus man, that would be terrifying if a group was able to get their hands on a half dozen militarized drones.

dept of homeland security are already anticipating an attack from UAV

Manic! 10-12-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8866165)
I never even considered this. Not necessarily for the Vegas shooting, but as a general tool for terrorists to wreak havoc.

Geezus man, that would be terrifying if a group was able to get their hands on a half dozen militarized drones. There are some brilliant people out there who could easily convert existing technology into something nefarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIXj8V38v8

Not super hard to diy if you know a bit about electronics.

Zedbra 10-12-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge (Post 8865995)

If the police claim the shooter only had large caliber bullets and the amateur acoustic analysis being correct... then there must be another source of shots. I wouldnt even exclude the thought of some kind of helicopter drone.

The police and media love to label everything, so take their choice of adjectives with a grain of salt. Look into muzzle breaks, their effects on sound, the thousands of options, and then realize you cannot conclude anything from an amateur video without better reference data.

ZN6 10-12-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8865999)
that'd be nice
only logged a few hours in R6 Siege
also haven't sat down to watch movies in probably 6 months

honestly though...was it poor reporting or were they clearing floor-by-floor?

not saying they should go gun-blazing into his room without a plan but there's surely a sense of urgency to expedite even if they're taking a worst-case scenario approach.

Maybe they did have to go floor by floor, but then these are trained people and even though it may not seem efficient to you or I, they've definitely got a reason to do so to make sure that there isn't anything else going on on the different floors.

It's tough to say in situations like this because there are so many people outside of the hotel AND on the inside panicking.

originalhypa 10-12-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8866196)
dept of homeland security are already anticipating an attack from UAV

I'm glad they're in charge and not me.

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8866198)
Not super hard to diy if you know a bit about electronics.

Exactly!
I'm no electronics guru, but even I could rig up a servo to control a firing mechanism on a multi channel radio. Hell, we used to do it to activate lights on our RC cars back in the day.

The more I think about it, the more genuinely surprised I am that this hasn't been done already.

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Originally Posted by Zedbra (Post 8866200)
Look into muzzle brakes, their effects on sound, the thousands of options

I was so pleased when I started playing with muzzle brakes. The effect a simple break has on sound and flash is quite big. And as you said, you have so many options. I want all of my barrels to be threaded now, just so I can play with the different brakes.

Every one of these options is going to have it's own sound and flash profile.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/201...e_brakes_f.jpg

ZN6 10-12-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8866240)
Hell, we used to do it to activate lights on our RC cars back in the day.

Used to? Hell I still do. Tamiya and Team Associated FTW

Berzerker 10-12-2017 01:45 PM

RC10 what?

Berz out.

underscore 10-12-2017 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8866240)
I'm no electronics guru, but even I could rig up a servo to control a firing mechanism on a multi channel radio. Hell, we used to do it to activate lights on our RC cars back in the day.

The more I think about it, the more genuinely surprised I am that this hasn't been done already.

The technology has been around for decades, although the ability to get a live feed back from the device has gotten much easier in recent years. I think the main problem would be the measely weight capacity, most RC helicopters can only carry the weight of a small camera. You could attach a small gun or explosive but that would only be effective against a couple people. You could probably get the components to build a larger RC but I have a feeling buying that stuff would in the US get a few three letter agencies at your door fairly quickly.

snowball 10-12-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8866254)
The technology has been around for decades, although the ability to get a live feed back from the device has gotten much easier in recent years. I think the main problem would be the measely weight capacity, most RC helicopters can only carry the weight of a small camera. You could attach a small gun or explosive but that would only be effective against a couple people. You could probably get the components to build a larger RC but I have a feeling buying that stuff would in the US get a few three letter agencies at your door fairly quickly.

Don't need livefeed when it's so easy to get a robot to recognize faces and heat via sensors now. Throw it on the back of a car with a real gun and it could be terrifying. Technology can be scary, Elon Musk is right about the threat of "AI" to humans if used improperly.

Digitalis 10-12-2017 07:03 PM

Guy is a pilot with his own aircraft if he was going to kamikaze solo mission he'd have ten times the kill count just by crash landing the thing at peak crowd time.
He was part of a team that was supposed to join in on the massacre but they had second thoughts and warned people they were going to all die instead and got cold feet.

Manic! 10-12-2017 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Digitalis (Post 8866300)
Guy is a pilot with his own aircraft if he was going to kamikaze solo mission he'd have ten times the kill count just by crash landing the thing at peak crowd time.
He was part of a team that was supposed to join in on the massacre but they had second thoughts and warned people they were going to all die instead and got cold feet.

Don't think so.

CharlesInCharge 10-12-2017 09:32 PM

Whats this a fake Twitter post?
https://i.imgur.com/weglcEJ.jpg

Independent reporter goes to the guys house.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mrxmmBAWqNxy
edit - second visit to his house
https://www.pscp.tv/LauraLoomer/1DXGyOWAQQVxM

ray666 10-14-2017 05:21 PM

apparently one of the eye witnesses that said that there were multiple gunman has been found dead. What the hell is going on?

Bouncing Bettys 10-14-2017 05:24 PM

^Because killing someone is so much easier than discrediting them duh.

Blueboy222 10-14-2017 05:28 PM

:eek:

Manic! 10-14-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ray666 (Post 8866614)
apparently one of the eye witnesses that said that there were multiple gunman has been found dead. What the hell is going on?

apparently, Russia has already landed on Mars. Zero proof of your statement. Also, eyewitnesses are unreliable.

Lomac 10-14-2017 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ray666 (Post 8866614)
apparently one of the eye witnesses that said that there were multiple gunman has been found dead. What the hell is going on?

People die all the time. Generally it's not from some perceived government conspiracy...

underscore 10-15-2017 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ray666 (Post 8866614)
apparently one of the eye witnesses that said that there were multiple gunman has been found dead. What the hell is going on?

It's called a rumour, they usually sound very exciting but they're almost guaranteed to be complete bullshit.

Mr.Money 10-15-2017 08:21 AM

they didn't even release the footage of anyone carrying duffel bags in,who knows how many days he stayed in the hotel together...

hell,he could've spent an entire day putting weapons together like lego out of a suit case
it wouldn't be hard to backpack that much ammo either when you got good back support and huge carrying space.

Blueboy222 10-17-2017 12:07 PM

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