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twitchyzero 12-18-2017 12:23 PM

Amtrak derails onto I5, multiple fatalities
 
https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-c...1-1020x680.jpg

accident on the new line between Tacoma and Olympia
the governor declared a state of emergency
thoughts are with those that has to go through this pain during the holidays

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ate-5-seattle/

originalhypa 12-18-2017 12:26 PM

Very sad situation, and so close to home.
The question is, is it terrorism, or just Amtrak?

Manic! 12-18-2017 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8878500)
Very sad situation, and so close to home.
The question is, is it terrorism, or just Amtrak?

It's shitty America. It was the first run on the track with increased speed and paying passengers.

skytrain has been running automated since the 80's using 5.25 inch floppy disks. American trains like the one that crashed still use people to control the speed. A number of times distracted conductors have caused crashes.

boibuddha 12-18-2017 12:40 PM

I'm thinking this is was caused by human error, an article on Global stated the train was going 130 kph when it failed on its maiden voyage on a new section of the track.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3922464/a...pass-over-i-5/

Without knowing their normal operating speeds, that sounds pretty fast for an untested track with a load of people.

So much :fulloffuck:

originalhypa 12-18-2017 12:45 PM

It was a new high speed run, so one has to consider that this is normal operating speed.
In 2015 there was a proposal for a high speed Portland to Vancouver run.

Quote:

"It would be over 180 miles [290 kilometres] per hour and it would be on … it it's own corridor separate from freight rail," Brad Perkins — the co-founder and CEO of Cascadia High Speed Rail told The Early Edition's Rick Cluff.
That’s far faster than 130kmh. Granted, the Amtrak may still be on old tracks not suited for those speeds. You would think that Amtrak would have done their homework though...

BrRsn 12-18-2017 12:45 PM

clearly terrorism


source:

i am a terrorist

Great68 12-18-2017 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8878506)
It's shitty America. It was the first run on the track with increased speed and paying passengers.

skytrain has been running automated since the 80's using 5.25 inch floppy disks. American trains like the one that crashed still use people to control the speed. A number of times distracted conductors have caused crashes.

Skytrain is a dedicated, closed track with limited junction/switching points.

These Amtrack trains operate on regular public rail lines.

You can't compare the two at ALL.

twitchyzero 12-18-2017 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8878510)
It was a new high speed run, so one has to consider that this is normal operating speed.
In 2015 there was a proposal for a high speed Portland to Vancouver run.

the WSDoT just released a report yesterday on high-speed rail from Vancouver BC to Portland

talk about timing...

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/high-speed-tra...lion-1.3725490

Manic! 12-18-2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 8878513)
Skytrain is a dedicated, closed track with limited junction/switching points.

These Amtrack trains operate on regular public rail lines.

You can't compare the two at ALL.

The US has the tech but the have not implemented it. If they can make cars self driving they can make a train automatically slow down based on location.

twitchyzero 12-18-2017 12:58 PM

^ it's not about having the tech, what about funding?

also, testing was probably not rigorous enough

too early for speculations but amtrak doesn't have a great track record, no pun intended

Quote:

Over the past decade, there have been about 31 derailments per year, according to the Federal Railroad Administration. That number is significantly down from the 54 derailments that occurred per year over the decade before, a span that included two years — 2000 and 2001 — with 156 combined derailments, the most over any two-year period since the mid-1970s.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.74f611b5a04a

BrRsn 12-18-2017 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 8878513)
Skytrain is a dedicated, closed track with limited junction/switching points.

These Amtrack trains operate on regular public rail lines.

You can't compare the two at ALL.

i have thousands of hours logged as a chief engineer and driver for several cargo and passenger trains, and I must say, you're incorrect.


there's a track, an engine, and a power button. its all the same.



and for those wondering, my TrainSimulator 2015 ID is theBrownReason. Look me up -- I'm ranked first in Lithuania

The_AK 12-18-2017 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrRsn (Post 8878511)
clearly terrorism


source:

i am a terrorist

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tp74PEHcsz...s1600/fbi2.jpg

BrRsn 12-18-2017 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_AK (Post 8878522)

you wanna start submitting tips best make sure your ass got room for about 2.5 x 0.75 inches of pure rage because that's the only tip youre gonna get from me, PAL.

GS8 12-18-2017 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrRsn (Post 8878511)
clearly terrorism


source:

i am a terrorist

Well you're brown so that's a given

Also, I learned reporters on the east don't know what an I5 is

Great68 12-18-2017 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrRsn (Post 8878521)
i have thousands of hours logged as a chief engineer and driver for several cargo and passenger trains, and I must say, you're incorrect.


there's a track, an engine, and a power button. its all the same.

It's all the same in reference to what? Factors for automation?
The technology is there but the practicality to automate the entire continental rail system to do completely without engineers is not.

The topic has come up, and some good comments also from people who work in the industry is in here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...ers_for_total/

The_AK 12-18-2017 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrRsn (Post 8878524)
you wanna start submitting tips best make sure your ass got room for about 2.5 x 0.75 inches of pure rage because that's the only tip youre gonna get from me, PAL.

Location: Whalley

twitchyzero 12-18-2017 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8878538)

Also, I learned reporters on the east don't know what an I5 is

https://static.nix.ru/autocatalog/in...3159_draft.jpg

hchang 12-18-2017 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrRsn (Post 8878511)
clearly terrorism


source:

i am a terrorist

Aaaaand now CIA and FBI will be actively monitoring this thread.

bobbinka 12-18-2017 05:45 PM

:facepalm: i suppose they can time travel too

twitchyzero 12-19-2017 12:59 AM

ntsb found it was traveling 80 in a 30mph zone
does anyone know if train 501 originates from Pacific Central?

Anjew 12-19-2017 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hchang (Post 8878594)
Aaaaand now CIA and FBI will be actively monitoring this thread.

the entire forum is going to get snap shotted and parsed

Digitalis 12-19-2017 08:24 AM

They arn't servicing the railbeds the trains 40-50 years ago used to go faster on the same tracks than they do now. How else do you explain third world countries having faster speeds.

originalhypa 12-19-2017 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8878506)
It's shitty America. It was the first run on the track with increased speed and paying passengers.

Looks like you're right.
The bridge was rated for 50kmh, while the train was going 130kmh.


Quote:

Amtrak train hurtling 80 km/h over speed limit before derailment, investigators say

Federal officials confirmed an Amtrak train was hurtling 50 mph over the speed limit when it careened off an overpass south of Seattle, spilling cars onto the highway below and killing at least three people.

Bella Dinh-Zarr, a National Transportation Safety Board member, said at a Monday night news conference that information from the event data recorder in the rear locomotive showed the train was traveling at 80 mph in a 30 mph zone when it derailed at 7:34 a.m.
the rest is just hyperbole.
You can read it here if you want https://globalnews.ca/news/3924335/a...r-speed-limit/

twitchyzero 12-19-2017 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digitalis (Post 8878702)
They arn't servicing the railbeds the trains 40-50 years ago used to go faster on the same tracks than they do now. How else do you explain third world countries having faster speeds.

I can't think of a third world country that has railways longer than America
even Russia and China have high-speed rail

Traum 12-19-2017 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8878714)
The bridge was rated for 50kmh, while the train was going 130kmh.

Really makes you wonder WTF the operator was doing... FailFish


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