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Manic! 02-07-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8886791)
That is interesting. I see your point.
But if it's scientists, and not diplomats, who dictate the claims, what difference does spending billions of dollars to falsify an economy make?
Nunavut is not international or disputed land. It's actually supposed to be self governing

Is that what happened in Ukraine? and why is Alaska a part of America? The people up North are our eyes and ears. If no one lived up there whats stopping
Russia from setting up a base?

welfare 02-07-2018 06:17 PM

Eyes and ears? They're chess pieces.
And given the state that government dependency has them in, that's pretty fucked up.
Not gonna bother with the statistics. I'm sure you're aware.
Homicide rates, suicide rates, substance abuse, unemployment, etc..

GabAlmighty 02-08-2018 10:32 AM

I'm getting a kick out of everyone talking about the north, and quoting this and that, with no real world experience up here.

68style 02-08-2018 10:48 AM

^
I watched an episode of that show where they establish a residence in remote areas and it was on Inuit land. Pretty sure the entire show was factual.

EleGiggle

welfare 02-08-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 8887000)
I'm getting a kick out of everyone talking about the north, and quoting this and that, with no real world experience up here.

I'm all ears...

GabAlmighty 02-09-2018 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8887002)
^
I watched an episode of that show where they establish a residence in remote areas and it was on Inuit land. Pretty sure the entire show was factual.

I'm living in it

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8887084)
I'm all ears...

Whatcha wanna know?

DragonChi 02-09-2018 09:18 AM

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welfare 02-10-2018 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GabAlmighty (Post 8887152)
I'm living in it



Whatcha wanna know?

What's your opinion on Canadian governments approach to native relations?
I guess broadly, what's your opinion on that whole situation in this country?

welfare 02-10-2018 05:12 PM

Interesting turn of events with that Gerald Stanley verdict...

GS8 02-10-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8887358)
Interesting turn of events with that Gerald Stanley verdict...

I was hoping the debate would focus more on 'stand your ground' but in this day and age, people just want to scream top tier words like 'racism'.

Keep on rockin' in the Cree world

Manic! 02-10-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8887376)
I was hoping the debate would focus more on 'stand your ground' but in this day and age, people just want to scream top tier words like 'racism'.

Keep on rockin' in the Cree world

Stand your ground is not a law in Canada.

GS8 02-10-2018 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8887377)
Stand your ground is not a law in Canada.

Not referring to it as a law, Just using the terminology so we know what's being discussed. What people can and can't do when dealing with trespassers.

That should be the debate, not whether a racist old white guy shot a young charming hard working native guy.

Manic! 02-10-2018 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8887380)
Not referring to it as a law, Just using the terminology so we know what's being discussed. What people can and can't do when dealing with trespassers.

That should be the debate, not whether a racist old white guy shot a young charming hard working native guy.

in the back.

RRxtar 02-10-2018 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8887377)
Stand your ground is not a law in Canada.

its not written as a stand your ground law in canada such that stand your ground and castle laws are "you can kill someone who tried to harm you or your property." but you are legally allowed to use justifiable force to protect yourself, your family, and your property, perhaps not property but home was the terminology. there was just a news article on it the other day. the judge in the article said you would likely not be convicted for using lethal force if the person you were defending yourself/home/family from was intending to use lethal force.

welfare 02-10-2018 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GS8 (Post 8887380)
Not referring to it as a law, Just using the terminology so we know what's being discussed. What people can and can't do when dealing with trespassers.

That should be the debate, not whether a racist old white guy shot a young charming hard working native guy.

Don't forget the racist all white jury. And the racist Justice system.
Or the fact that Saskatchewan is consistently ranked province with highest crime rates and severity of crimes, year after year (still well below any of the territories though). Must be racism.

It's ashame the defendant was white. Could have avoided the court process altogether
https://www.saskatchewan.ca/resident...going-to-court

Kinda makes you wonder if the Boushie family would have been this angered if their sons life was taken by a fellow native. Hmmmm

Bouncing Bettys 02-10-2018 10:19 PM

This is making the rounds on FB
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Dini Ze Smogelgem
13 hrs · Instagram ·
This is Gerald Stanley. He was found not guilty by an all white jury that was overseen by a judge with an known history with #whitesupremacy --- He murdered Colten Boushie in cold blood simply because he was a #native man knocking on his door in the middle of the night. #colten stopped by the farm and was asking for help with a flat tire. Gerald shot Colten in the back of the head as Colten tried walking away from what was turning into a deadly situation. Afterwards, Gerald's wife mocked Colten's girlfriend while she was in complete shock screaming over Colten's dead body. Gerald and his wife calmly went back inside and brewed a pot of coffee and waited for the police. The Native family in the car was immediately arrested when the police arrived. During the #rcmp #investigation the police constantly #harrased Colten's grieving parents.

This very behavior is the foundation of #colonization and it's eventual #confederation

This is why #indigenous #people must define our own #future and #selfdetermination --- This is why we must define #reconciliation
Just there asking for help with a flat tire? uh huh.

Gerald fired two warning shots into the air. That does not sound like the actions of someone who was prepared to kill. He aslo claimed:
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. It was at that moment, he said, the gun went off accidentally. He said he never pulled the trigger. His defence lawyer suggested it must have been a hangfire, particularly since the cartridge casing found inside the vehicle had an unusual bulge firearms experts could not reproduce.
Hangfire: a delay in the detonation of gunpowder or other ammunition, caused by some defect in the fuze. Firing a gun into the air multiple times would makes hangfire possible and go unnoticed in the middle of a confrontation such as this.

It's sad that someone had to die in order for a lesson to be learned about why you don't go on an armed, drunken, crime spree in rural Canada.

And no, these things do not justify shooting someone and I don't agree with Stand Your Ground laws.

welfare 02-10-2018 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 8887394)

It's sad that someone had to die in order for a lesson to be learned about why you don't go on an armed, drunken, crime spree in rural Canada.

That's the biggest upset of this whole thing,IMO.
No lessons were learned. Finger pointing. Projection and not reflection.

welfare 02-10-2018 10:55 PM

Love Trudeau's response. Very Obama-esque.
Wonder what further concessions he'll put forward to rectify this grave Injustice, and "repair" relations.

68style 02-10-2018 11:00 PM

I'm curious about the details of the case, the account that I read did not say that he was shot as he walked away, it said he was shot in the driver seat of the broken car AFTER he tried to steal an ATV and AFTER he had rammed the broken car into another parked car on their property.

That's a pretty massive departure from "He was shot in the back while walking away from a dangerous situation"???

Which story is it? Why are the 2 accounts so incredibly different?

It also wasn't the middle of the night??? The wife was mowing the lawn at the time, I don't recall reading what time that was at in the breakdown of events I saw, but I don't know too many people that mow their lawn in the dark. Where did that Instagram poster get his/her "facts" from?

I was reading all the farmers in the area are scared of retribution, so they're all arming themselves now... awesome.

welfare 02-10-2018 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8887398)
I'm curious about the details of the case, the account that I read did not say that he was shot as he walked away, it said he was shot in the driver seat of the broken car AFTER he tried to steal an ATV and AFTER he had rammed the broken car into another parked car on their property.

That's a pretty massive departure from "He was shot in the back while walking away"???

Which story is it? Why are the 2 accounts so incredibly different? The ballistics indicate he was shot inside the broken Ford Escape too.

It also wasn't the middle of the night??? The wife was mowing the damn lawn.

Consider the sources of each account.

Oh, also, there's the many many lies from the witnesses..
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37817572/

Bouncing Bettys 02-10-2018 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8887398)
It also wasn't the middle of the night??? The wife was mowing the lawn at the time, I don't recall reading what time that was at in the breakdown of events I saw, but I don't know too many people that mow their lawn in the dark. Where did that Instagram poster get his/her "facts" from?.

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Aug. 9 2016
Colten Boushie, 22, and four friends are driving through the RM of Glenside, near Biggar, Sask. They’re on their way home to the Red Pheasant Cree Nation when they pull onto a farm owned by Gerald Stanley around 5:30 p.m. Two people from the vehicle get into a confrontation with Stanley and his son. Boushie is shot and killed.
In early August in they should have sun light until 8:30 or so.

68style 02-10-2018 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 8887403)
In early August in they should have sun light until 8:30 or so.


Exactly, the Instagram post says "native man knocking on his door in the middle of the night"... what? lol

68style 02-10-2018 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8887402)
Consider the sources of each account.

Oh, also, there's the many many lies from the witnesses..
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37817572/

Who the fuck can drink 30 shots of liquor and still walk around doing things afterward??? Fuck me.........

30 shots! That's an entire 1-litre bottle!

welfare 02-10-2018 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8887398)

I was reading all the farmers in the area are scared of retribution, so they're all arming themselves now... awesome.

Hopefully don't develop into a South Africa farmer type deal..

South Africa farm murders: Jacob Zuma calls for white land to be confiscated

Bouncing Bettys 02-11-2018 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8887406)
Hopefully don't develop into a South Africa farmer type deal..

South Africa farm murders: Jacob Zuma calls for white land to be confiscated

Not to worry, the white guilt is so strong here we have people giving up their land and encouraging others to do the same.
One woman's plan to give back: 'The land needs to be returned to Indigenous peoples' - Home | Unreserved | CBC Radio


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