BC Budget Announcement on Feb 20th.

[Great68]

How the do you even pump out a kid "by accident"?

Fucking carries a risk, ALWAYS. Contraceptives are never 100% failsafe, you're accepting that risk and you should be prepared for the consequences you signed the contract with your dick.

This day and age abortion is an option, but if you're against that then well then sucks to be you society shouldn't have to pay for your mistake.

[Traum]

^^ Are you surprised that people -- esp men -- think with their dicks instead their brains though?

I'm certainly not surprised. In fact, I think most men (myself included) must have done the same at least a couple of times in their lives.

[GS8]

I'm single, no kids, able bodied and work full time.

If living in BC has taught me anything, it's that my lifestyle choice is actually detrimental.

Time to fentanyl & chill, poop babies, and amputate my pelvis.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by Great68

How the do you even pump out a kid "by accident"?

Fucking carries a risk, ALWAYS. Contraceptives are never 100% failsafe, you're accepting that risk and you should be prepared for the consequences you signed the contract with your dick.

That's the mentality. The lack of accountability. And it is absolutely destructive.
"Accidents" are the result of carelessness.
If I get into an accident with my car because of my own negligence, my insurance goes up. If it went down, or stayed the same, I wouldn't much be deterred from getting into them.

[Harvey Specter]

Really looking forward to the next federal election. Our choices are Justin the Turd, a Conservative leader who know one knows about and the Sikh hipster social justice warrior. Someone shoot me already.

[Tapioca]

The child care subsidies should apply to all households earning up to 200K. You want high earning women or men in the workforce, rather than at home, because they pay more in taxes and spend more money on consumables.

There are few details about how the subsidies will be provided, but there's no guarantee that they won't be just eaten up by daycares and passed on only in part to parents. The sad thing about daycare is that it's just a lousy business - profit margins are thin, space is expensive, liability is high, and daycare workers are paid peanuts. Arguably, daycare is a service that is an example of a private market failure.

$2500 a month for 2 kids under 4 is tough, no matter if you earn 60K or 120K per year.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by welfare

See but that's the point. He's actually planning for a family. Not having kids "by accident".

Originally Posted by welfare

That's the mentality. The lack of accountability. And it is absolutely destructive.
"Accidents" are the result of carelessness.
If I get into an accident with my car because of my own negligence, my insurance goes up. If it went down, or stayed the same, I wouldn't much be deterred from getting into them.

You're either being obtuse on purpose or your view of a normal society is convoluted as you seem to judge each person on their income. So if a middle class person has a child, it must be planned, while poor families' kids are all accidents?

Maybe it's just me, but this is a modern-day developed society problem. To have to worry about future financial situations when having kids, to the point where it's an actual deterrent. It's not just Vancouver, or BC, or even North America. And it sure as hell isn't no NDP/Liberal issue.

And smh for figuring having children by accident is somehow equatable to crashing your car by accident. wtf.

And, no, seeing people who are worse off than myself financially receive aid from the government through the taxes I pay does not make me want to work less or be more lazy. But maybe I'm just an idiot. Or not selfish, I donno.

[MarkyMark]

My point is being middle class doesn't necessarily mean my disposable income is a whole lot more than people who make less. Sure my place might be nicer and I have a vehicle (which I actually need to get to my job since public transit isn't a viable option), but after the all the bills and other necessities are added up I'm not exactly rolling in it. So this is where most people tell me to "work harder" but I mean hell, I have already.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

And, no, seeing people who are worse off than myself financially receive aid from the government through the taxes I pay does not make me want to work less or be more lazy. But maybe I'm just an idiot. Or not selfish, I donno.

I don't think anyone was saying that it would encourage someone to want to earn less. Rather it would reduce the incentive for someone to earn more. There's a difference.

TBH, I've got no problem with childcare benefits if they promote a stronger workforce. But they need to be coupled with incentive for businesses to promote job growth for a healthy economy.
This budget does not do that. It's a handout at the expense of business' and the upper class.
That's the NDP platform. And forgive me for being blunt, but it's a terrible one.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by welfare

I don't think anyone was saying that it would encourage someone to want to earn less. Rather it would reduce the incentive for someone to earn more. There's a difference.

TBH, I've got no problem with childcare benefits if they promote a stronger workforce. But they need to be coupled with incentive for businesses to promote job growth for a healthy economy.
This budget does not do that. It's a handout at the expense of business' and the upper class.
That's the NDP platform. And forgive me for being blunt, but it's a terrible one.

Mr Happyslip in post 9 said explicitly that. Too lazy to quote since mobile.

And I agree that there needs to be a balance, but let's be honest. Someone will ALWAYS complain. In an ideal world, we would have that. But there's too many individual problems that make up society's problems as a whole. And no need to forgive, I respect your opinion. It's also my opinion that this budget, at least in paper, doesn't seem too bad.

Maybe the liberals have conditioned me to already being taxed to the gills

[welfare]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

Mr Happyslip in post 9 said explicitly that. Too lazy to quote since mobile.

Ok well, yes. That's not exactly logical lol.

And I agree that there needs to be a balance, but let's be honest. Someone will ALWAYS complain. In an ideal world, we would have that. But there's too many individual problems that make up society's problems as a whole. And no need to forgive, I respect your opinion. It's also my opinion that this budget, at least in paper, doesn't seem too bad.

Maybe the liberals have conditioned me to already being taxed to the gills

Not just about balance, IMO. And it's not about greed, just to be clear. I'd gladly take a tax hike if I felt like it were being invested wisely into our economy. It's more about a lack of stimulant.
what this looks like is the economy being strangled. And that's not good for anyone. Including low income earners.
Time will tell. But with what equates to a socialist and climate scientist running a province rich in natural resource, and propped up by an inflated housing market, I am, very sadly, not optimistic.
People vote for what they want though. Not always for what's best as a whole.
Time will tell though. I shouldn't be so dismissive about it.


I'll be perfectly honest, I really wish the conservative party could actually get their shit together. They might actually stand a chance after this. While the taste of liberals is still bitter on people's tongues.
Wishful thinking.

[MG1]

I'm wAndering if the NDP didn't have to kiss green ass so much, how different things would be.

I'm not a fan of Andrew Dweeber.


I do, however, like that David Eby fellow. He's the star on the NDP team, IMHO.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

My point is being middle class doesn't necessarily mean my disposable income is a whole lot more than people who make less. Sure my place might be nicer and I have a vehicle (which I actually need to get to my job since public transit isn't a viable option), but after the all the bills and other necessities are added up I'm not exactly rolling in it. So this is where most people tell me to "work harder" but I mean hell, I have already.

For better or for worse, that's exactly how I see it as well. Being "middle class" really doesn't mean shxt. If anything, I generally feel quite poor with not a lot of disposable income.

[bomberR17]

Having been around in Tsawwassen few months back, I notice a lot of families have 4+ children. Asked them how they manage so many kids and they said they collect child benefits for every kid plus low income subsidies. They practically don't even work and usually just hold a part time job like at Walmart to pass time.

[Hondaracer]

Good friend of mine who’s worked his ass off last 10 years or so to get a job earning approx 120k a year, bought a house, just had his second child, wife is about to go back to work and as is have not much disposable income

To put their two kids into child care and with their connections they have the “deal” they’ve found is $2000 a month

His brother, a worker at a menial job and his wife who is on long term disability and trying to fleece ICBC for an injury claim had their first child around the same time my friend had his second.

The menial job worker is going to get $3000 a month in child care benefits on top of the day care situation (essentially paying zero to very little)

Whereas my friend and his wife will be getting $0 and have to pay the $2000 a month in care. Essentially a $5000 swing.. lol.

And my friends wife is the exact candidate for someone who actually brings value back to the work force as she is in management. Unlike the brothers wife who, odds are, will never go back to work and would work an ultra menial job the rest of her life

Dat NDP doe!

[Traum]

^^ You can always find extreme examples such as this very same one that you have just mentioned. But then my question would be -- would you deny other honest workers / people in harder luck than your average typical BC resident the benefit to breathe easier with a bit of social and childcare assistance just because you know a portion of them are "less deserving" of the benefit? If you want to, I'm sure we can find some other example where new childcare benefit allows the mom to get back into doing useful and valuable work for the masses.

Policies are never going to be perfect. You just have to accept there is going to be a bit of dead weight loss and some freeloaders, and make sure that the policy is designed so that it doesn't generate an excessive amount of them.

[RRxtar]

You want a real life example?

At 25 I quit my job and struggled my way thru starting a business from nothing. Ive worked on average 65-70 hours a week for the last 10 years to build a business to the point I could have bills paid off, and get married, and buy a house BEFORE I had kids. Because of that hard work, we are comfortable, but we don't have extra money laying around. I've also created full time employment for 8-9 people, all of which make $20/hour or better.

According to the NDP, my 4 week old son deserves less help from its government, and I as an employer, should pay a higher portion of tax than my employees who spent their 20s traveling and not acquiring skills to get them ahead.

[RRxtar]

What if the government came out and said "Free university for anyone whos parents have a household income below average. The rest of you, tuition is going to increase" how would that make you feel?

[welfare]

Originally Posted by Traum

You can always find extreme examples such as this very same one that you have just mentioned. But then my question would be -- would you deny other honest workers / people in harder luck than your average typical BC resident the benefit to breathe easier with a bit of social and childcare assistance just because you know a portion of them are "less deserving" of the benefit? If you want to, I'm sure we can find some other example where new childcare benefit allows the mom to get back into doing useful and valuable work for the masses.

define "hard luck".
You'll probably find that people's outcomes are more often a direct result of the choices they make, rather than some serendipitous force.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by RRxtar

You want a real life example?

At 25 I quit my job and struggled my way thru starting a business from nothing. Ive worked on average 65-70 hours a week for the last 10 years to build a business to the point I could have bills paid off, and get married, and buy a house BEFORE I had kids. Because of that hard work, we are comfortable, but we don't have extra money laying around. I've also created full time employment for 8-9 people, all of which make $20/hour or better.

According to the NDP, my 4 week old son deserves less help from its government, and I as an employer, should pay a higher portion of tax than my employees who spent their 20s traveling and not acquiring skills to get them ahead.

Good for you! Obviously, you've proven to be a hardworking, resourceful, and successful business person. You are comfortable. You have a roof of your own above your head. Those are all the fruits of your success. If your employees continue with what they have been doing, and do not acquir skilsl to get themselves ahead, it is unlikely they'd be able to enjoy the same success and comforts in the future as you have now.

I entirely get what you are saying and where you are coming from, but your views on this really comes down to your beliefs and political leanings. I won't even attempt to convince you of anything because doing so would just be useless.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by RRxtar

You want a real life example?

At 25 I quit my job and struggled my way thru starting a business from nothing. Ive worked on average 65-70 hours a week for the last 10 years to build a business to the point I could have bills paid off, and get married, and buy a house BEFORE I had kids. Because of that hard work, we are comfortable, but we don't have extra money laying around. I've also created full time employment for 8-9 people, all of which make $20/hour or better.

According to the NDP, my 4 week old son deserves less help from its government, and I as an employer, should pay a higher portion of tax than my employees who spent their 20s traveling and not acquiring skills to get them ahead.

And I'm sure they'll appreciate, just as much, the money you worked so hard for.

Thank you for sharing

[will068]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

You mean high end shopping lol. Friend just bought a 2nd Canada goose to use. Not even sure why she needs 2......

At least she is buying Canadian Made goods.

[RiceIntegraRS]

We can debate all day long what low income families or people are. But it really doesn't matter, the government sees them all the same. From your single mom with a couple kids who had there dad die to your mom and dad who are a bunch of unemployed lazy fucks whose main objective is to know how there gonna pay for there next crack rock. They are all lumped into the same category of "low income" and that's the main problem we have here.

When the government puts resources in place for people in need, you better believe EVERYONE will take advantage of it whether they need it or not, its just human nature. How often do we see people lining up for free shit when they can just as easily buy it.

I'm middle class and im not looking for any handouts all I'm looking for is to keep the money I worked so hard to earn, not have it spent on people who don't need it.

[RRxtar]

So the ndp has another broken promise. The bc utilities commission has denied their promise of a 0% bc hydro rate freeze because it's not possible.

Also, even without the hurr durr dem liberalz iz stealing from icbc, the ndp is projecting that icbc will still lose over a billion dollars in 2018, even with their changed policies.

[MarkyMark]

Why are they expected to fix years of the Liberals fucking up icbc in one year? They could probably balance the books right away but do you want your insurance to go up $2000 a year, cause I sure as fuck don't.