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twitchyzero 11-29-2018 07:57 PM

pillars t h i c c

Traum 11-30-2018 10:06 AM

Most new cars are stupid like this -- you can't see shxt from the center rear view mirror, and you can't see shxt when you turn around to look. It's horrible when you are driving, but at least with (mandatory?) back up cameras, backing up isn't so bad.

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Originally Posted by !Aznboi128 (Post 8930521)
so... if you look back in the new 3 hatch this is what you'll see

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...1khwi13svv.jpg


Jmac 11-30-2018 10:15 AM

Good peripheral vision is highly underrated by vehicle manufacturers. You can’t solve everything with cameras and sensors. In fact, I’d say it’s negligent to overly rely on them.

AstulzerRZD 11-30-2018 10:24 AM

Looks like AWD + Manual is a possibility. Launch engine for USDM will be 2.5 N/A

AzNightmare 11-30-2018 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8930586)
Good peripheral vision is highly underrated by vehicle manufacturers. You can’t solve everything with cameras and sensors. In fact, I’d say it’s negligent to overly rely on them.

Oh yeah, that's why we have that stupid "BEEP BEEP BEEP" every time you try to change lanes.

Who needs to use peripheral anymore these days......
Just swerve and if the car tells you it's dangerous, then go back into your lane.

:badpokerface:

cococly 11-30-2018 08:59 PM

Torsion Beam at the Rear though.... hmmm

If only the 2.5L Turbo from the Mazda6 + AWD on the new Mazda 3. SPEEED3

twitchyzero 11-30-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 8930603)
Oh yeah, that's why we have that stupid "BEEP BEEP BEEP" every time you try to change lanes.

Who needs to use peripheral anymore these days......
Just swerve and if the car tells you it's dangerous, then go back into your lane.

:badpokerface:

i've learned that driving a convertible with top up means driver-side shoulder checks are completely useless BabyRage

mirrors and radars 'elminates' blind-spots, but it feels like a leap of faith everytime i gotta switch into the outer/passing lane as I'm relying on sensors and optical distortions :pokerface:

!Aznboi128 11-30-2018 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cococly (Post 8930681)
Torsion Beam at the Rear though.... hmmm

If only the 2.5L Turbo from the Mazda6 + AWD on the new Mazda 3. SPEEED3

Being a Mazda I'm sure they would have to do some tuning to make sure it'll be perfect

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Finally, we come to the rear suspension. We were surprised to see the Mazda3 abandon a multi-link rear suspension in favor of a torsion-beam rear end. Torsion beam suspensions are generally considered less capable and refined since it ties both wheels together. Sometimes it's used because it's cheap to develop, or because it's easy to package. Everyone we spoke to at Mazda said that this design wasn't chosen for those reasons, but rather because they were able to make the car ride and handle better. The company found that the design offered more natural reactions to bumps for the passengers inside, and the company was able to really dial in every single part since it was a simpler suspension with fewer variables to worry about. For example, one of Mazda's engineers mentioned that each side of the multi-link suspension had 10 bushings to mess with, and the torsion-beam setup has just one on each side for the trailing arms.
from: https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/29/...n-awd-details/

The 2.5 Turbo will fit, they already said that. But, we can be sure they won't bother.

twitchyzero 11-30-2018 09:42 PM

wow the display bezels are way worse than current gen...and it's not a touchscreen

the passenger air-vent looks like something from an 80s Oldsmobile Cutlass


Traum 11-30-2018 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Aznboi128 (Post 8930683)
Finally, we come to the rear suspension. We were surprised to see the Mazda3 abandon a multi-link rear suspension in favor of a torsion-beam rear end. Torsion beam suspensions are generally considered less capable and refined since it ties both wheels together. Sometimes it's used because it's cheap to develop, or because it's easy to package. Everyone we spoke to at Mazda said that this design wasn't chosen for those reasons, but rather because they were able to make the car ride and handle better. The company found that the design offered more natural reactions to bumps for the passengers inside, and the company was able to really dial in every single part since it was a simpler suspension with fewer variables to worry about. For example, one of Mazda's engineers mentioned that each side of the multi-link suspension had 10 bushings to mess with, and the torsion-beam setup has just one on each side for the trailing arms.

The engineers weren't lying, but I am still calling them BS on the rear beam axle. It is there because Mazda needed to cut costs, and that is kind of ironic since they are also trying to move up the market a bit. The rest of the car is nothing short of a home run, and you can tell they are pulling out all the stops to make it good. However, they also had to find chances and places to offset the increased costs, and the rear suspension was the thing that got hit.

Fortunately, Mazda is one of the few manufacturers that really knows how to fine tune the suspension settings on a car, and I trust that their expertise here will make the rear beam axle perform well enough for pedestrian / street use. It'll even seem sporty and fun. But make no mistake -- had it been an IRS, the car would have handled better and be even more fun.

asian_XL 12-01-2018 01:01 AM

so the new mazda 3 will first get the skyactiv-G engines, which are the old engines...then later will get the skyactiv-X?

!Aznboi128 12-01-2018 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8930704)
The engineers weren't lying, but I am still calling them BS on the rear beam axle. It is there because Mazda needed to cut costs, and that is kind of ironic since they are also trying to move up the market a bit. The rest of the car is nothing short of a home run, and you can tell they are pulling out all the stops to make it good. However, they also had to find chances and places to offset the increased costs, and the rear suspension was the thing that got hit.

Fortunately, Mazda is one of the few manufacturers that really knows how to fine tune the suspension settings on a car, and I trust that their expertise here will make the rear beam axle perform well enough for pedestrian / street use. It'll even seem sporty and fun. But make no mistake -- had it been an IRS, the car would have handled better and be even more fun.

I personally own a cx-3 which has a torsion beam rear. Honestly, it's a lot of fun to drive.

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Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 8930711)
so the new mazda 3 will first get the skyactiv-G engines, which are the old engines...then later will get the skyactiv-X?

That's what it seems like, the Skyactiv-x isn't ready at launch.

twitchyzero 12-01-2018 11:35 AM

base and mid-trim will still offer the existing skyactiv, the new motor won't be available until later next year as probably a GT or signature trim

asian_XL 12-01-2018 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by !Aznboi128 (Post 8930725)
I personally own a cx-3 which has a torsion beam rear. Honestly, it's a lot of fun to drive.



That's what it seems like, the Skyactiv-x isn't ready at launch.

if mazda says the X is 30% more torque than G, then the new 2.0 should jump from 155lbft to 200lbft!

Akinari 12-01-2018 07:49 PM

Torsion beam rear and the whole car is basically a c-pillar.

Next.

Traum 12-01-2018 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by !Aznboi128 (Post 8930725)
I personally own a cx-3 which has a torsion beam rear. Honestly, it's a lot of fun to drive.

I agree. If there is any mass market auto manufacturer that can deliver on a fun-to-drive FWD car with a rear beam axle, that would be Mazda. (And VW might be a distant second.) Given the (hypothetical) choice, I'd still opt for an IRS. But hey, it is what it is.

twitchyzero 12-02-2018 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 8930775)
if mazda says the X is 30% more torque than G, then the new 2.0 should jump from 155lbft to 200lbft!

the refreshed miata with the revised G engine is slighter torquier than the original peaking 600 rpm sooner

the X should provide significantly more low-end grunt, but i suspect most of the improvement will come from the mild hybrid system

Jmac 02-06-2019 12:05 AM

New engine not available w/ a manual on the sedan, only the hatchback.

:fuuuuu:

twitchyzero 02-06-2019 12:10 AM

they're announcing next-gen CX-3 next month
also planning a BEV next year and PHEV for 2021

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GL...b-849b32110961

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/05/...ssover-geneva/

supafamous 02-06-2019 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8938572)
New engine not available w/ a manual on the sedan, only the hatchback.

:fuuuuu:

That's just the US spec. Canadian spec has it available on all trims.

!Aznboi128 02-06-2019 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8938573)
they're announcing next-gen CX-3 next month
also planning a BEV next year and PHEV for 2021

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GL...b-849b32110961

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/05/...ssover-geneva/

Autoblog thinks it's the cx-3 nothing confirmed.

It's more likely an updated cx-4

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...016-04.jpg&f=1

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...16-007.jpg&f=1

twitchyzero 02-06-2019 07:16 AM

whatever it is...should be bigger than the current cx-3

Jmac 02-06-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by supafamous (Post 8938583)
That's just the US spec. Canadian spec has it available on all trims.

I got the info off of mazda.ca last night ???

wing_woo 02-06-2019 11:01 AM

Specs for the Sport. All models except AWD available in manual.
https://cdn.mazda.ca/common/cars/bro...872.1549412366

Specs for the Sedan. The GT is available in Auto only, but the new engine I think is on the GS as well and that is available in Manual.
https://cdn.mazda.ca/common/cars/bro...872.1549412366

*edit* nevermind, just noticed the specs all say Skyactiv-G.

!Aznboi128 02-06-2019 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8938587)
whatever it is...should be bigger than the current cx-3

Any smaller and it's just the Mx-5 lol


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