Canadian politics thread

[noclue]

Hondaracer in shambles, election is rigged!!

[Hondaracer]

I said NDP would win

Don’t think anyone expected it to be this close though.

Needles/Drugs/Poverty

[Tapioca]

The real loser in this election is the eroding trust in the democratic process:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/1...ays-professor/

We should all be concerned that we can't have trust in our institutions.

[noclue]

I dont like NDP (too many social policies, tax/eat the rich with pay your “fair share” (what’s the limit?) but conservatives were too crazy.

Either political side, middle class loses

[Hondaracer]

A guy at work has worked 4-5 elections now both federally and provincially

The provincial election seems much harder to fudge any number or “miss” votes as opposed to the federal ones he’d been a part of.

The federal elections seemed like most was done by hand and a few votes here or there could be easily missed. Ultimately if it was close enough you’d get a recount anyways but he said the general process for the federal one is far less controlled or accurate than the provincial ones he’s been a part of up to this point

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by noclue

I dont like NDP (too many social policies, tax/eat the rich with pay your “fair share” (what’s the limit?) but conservatives were too crazy.

Either political side, middle class loses

It really depends how you define the "middle class".

If you're a household that makes under 150K-175K, you're better off with the NDP. Most households in BC are at this threshold, or below, despite the lifestyle inflation that we see here.

If you're a household that is salaried but beyond that range and up the 400-500K mark, you pay more under the NDP.

[AstulzerRZD]

Our household's at like 450 from what we could tell:

Outside of the 11B deficit Rustad wanted to run (50%? higher than NDP):

- Carbon tax and mortgage interest savings would go straight to ICBC
- Our small biz expansion would be slower since we use EV tax credit to add Lightning/Silverado at net 0 cost with gas savings.
- Since cons wouldn't force municipalities to upzone, our friends who are starting to do smaller redevelopment projects would likely have less opportunities

We also thought plans to fund Surrey infra were a bit silly compared to funding Burnaby/Vancouver.
They got a lot of seats but Burnaby/Coq/Port Moody seemed like a smarter bet with its existing mass transit lines.

[AstulzerRZD]

I am kinda concerned about the Chinese interference thing, Eby better have some good answers.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

It really depends how you define the "middle class".

If you're a household that makes under 150K-175K, you're better off with the NDP. Most households in BC are at this threshold, or below, despite the lifestyle inflation that we see here.

If you're a household that is salaried but beyond that range and up the 400-500K mark, you pay more under the NDP.

Yeah I've noticed that any of the income tested rebate programs have all heavily lowered their thresholds (or added them where they never existed before). I'm glad I got my heat pump when I did, I would just barely not qualify for any provincial rebate under the NDP's new program.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by noclue

I dont like NDP (too many social policies, tax/eat the rich with pay your “fair share” (what’s the limit?) but conservatives were too crazy.

Either political side, middle class loses

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...axed-countries

Canada's income tax rate (much less sales tax or corp tax rate) is around 33% which isn't even close to the top tax rate countries which are all in the 50% range. Canada is in the same category as Cyprus and Malaysia. The US comes in at 37%.

We're nowhere close to being too high.

[whitev70r]

Provincial election in Sask ... who is the Saskatchewan Party? They have the NDP, they have Cons .. they even have a Buffalo Party of Sask ...

[Manic!]

The Saskatchewan Party is a right wing party headed by a guy was driving drunk and got into an accident killing a mother and leaving her son injured. He fled the scene.

[JDMDreams]

Well it is Saskatchewan, did he back a bucket of KFC in the car

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Manic!

The Saskatchewan Party is a right wing party headed by a guy was driving drunk and got into an accident killing a mother and leaving her son injured. He fled the scene.

That also wasn't a dealbreaker for the voters of Saskatchewan.

[Hondaracer]

Canadurrrrrr

We’re slowly creeping into the BS populous politics of the states.

The division we feel here can be squarely laid at the feet of the feds.

[unit]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

If you're a household that makes under 150K-175K, you're better off with the NDP. .

just wondering in what regard do you mean? we are doing ok but according to evofire we might be on the poverty line, but we miss out on a lot of rebates due to our income. in fact people doing a lot worse off than us also miss out on those rebates. for example the carbon tax rebate reduces to zero for a couple with no kids at only 95k.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by noclue

tax/eat the rich with pay your “fair share” (what’s the limit?)

Way higher than the net worth of 99% of the people who worry about that.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Canadurrrrrr

We’re slowly creeping into the BS populous politics of the states.

The division we feel here can be squarely laid at the feet of the feds.

How is it any federal government's fault that the world populace is suffering the effects of very cyclical downturns in economies and then looking for reasons why things aren't changing beyond their control and settling on "CAN U BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING" Tiktok and YT videos?

The US and Canada even had opposite governments for a period of time and both got worse during those times.

[pastarocket]

The Bloc Quebecois are delusional. Delulu!

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/1...adline-passes/

The Bloc Québécois is ready to make good on a threat to work with other parties to bring down the minority government now that the Liberals have failed to meet their demands, Leader Yves-François Blanchet said Tuesday.

Blanchet set the deadline last month, putting the Liberals on notice that to avoid an election “before Christmas” they must adopt a pair of private member’s bills.

One of the Bloc bills, aimed at safeguarding supply management in trade negotiations, has the support of the government and is being studied by the Senate.

The other, which would raise old age security payments for seniors under 75, is one the Liberals say they do not support. The measure would cost an estimated $16 billion over five years.


Blanchet said his discussions with the other opposition parties will start Tuesday, and the government is in serious danger of falling.

Not only is the Bloc ready for an election, he said, “we might be expecting that with enthusiasm.”

So far during this fall sitting of Parliament, the Liberals have survived two non-confidence votes put forward by the Conservatives, with the Bloc and NDP voting against Tories.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/1...adline-passes/

The Bloc Québécois is ready to make good on a threat to work with other parties to bring down the minority government now that the Liberals have failed to meet their demands, Leader Yves-François Blanchet said Tuesday.

So it seems like Doug Ford is gonna lose his gamble on having an earlier election...

I wonder if he would re-consider sticking to a normal election timeline, instead of trying to hold it early next year (in Q1/Q2)...

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by unit

just wondering in what regard do you mean? we are doing ok but according to evofire we might be on the poverty line, but we miss out on a lot of rebates due to our income. in fact people doing a lot worse off than us also miss out on those rebates. for example the carbon tax rebate reduces to zero for a couple with no kids at only 95k.

Some examples:

BC Child Benefit: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/f...maximum-annual

Based on how this benefit is calculated, you start to not get any benefits at around 160K income per year if you have two kids.


New NDP co-mortgage housing plan for first time homebuyers - look at the income threshold for 2-bedroom units:

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2024HOUS0044-001557


BC Heat Pump Conversion Incentives:

https://www.betterhomesbc.ca/rebates...qualifications

Income threshold for heat pump incentives is capped at 185K annual household income.


EV rebates:
https://goelectricbc.gov.bc.ca/rebat...offers/#income

If you're a household in the 180K or above, it's highly likely that both working adults will make at least 80K, which means you won't get the full rebate or perhaps none at all if you're above the 200K HHI threshold.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

the 2 elected Greens are like total n00bs though. Don't think they're up for it.

So are most of the Cons, total noobs, aren't they? What 75% or more are new MLA's.

It happened last time, Daryl Plecus of the BC Libs took the job and he was kicked out of the party ... haha. Rustad may tell his MLA's not to take the speaker role for a number of reasons but someone might want the job and higher pay.

[twitchyzero]

I reminded all my colleagues who got elected first in 2015 that they signed up to run for the distant third place party in the House of Commons, a long way from ever being able to form government in the eyes of every pundit and every pollster out there

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/1...rship-00186178

Lol

Trudeau on calls from within to Biden aside

[Hondaracer]

For anyone who thought the claims Kamala would let felons get gender reassignment surgeries in the US were absurd, it happens here in Canada to the -worst of the worst- on the tax payers fucking dime

Desousa, then named Adam Laboucan, was 15 years old in 1997 when she sexually assaulted an infant she was babysitting in Quesnel, B.C. The baby required surgery to repair the injuries

Desousa, who underwent gender-affirming operations while serving an indefinite sentence, also admitted to drowning a three-year-old boy when she was 11 years old, which the judge in the sexual assault case said was below the age of criminal responsibility.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/1...-prison-leave/

The best part though is now this fucking psycho sack of shit is going to get granted leave to attend some fucking BS cultural bullshit… ffs..

[Manic!]

Ken Sims house.



https://vancouversun.com/news/vancou...uelled-attacks