Remains of 215 indigenous children found in Kamloops

[Manic!]

104 ‘potential graves’ detected at site of former residential school in Manitoba

https://www.abbynews.com/news/104-po...l-in-manitoba/

The Sioux Valley Dakota Nation in Manitoba is working to find students buried at Brandon Indian Residential School, which was in operation from 1895 to 1972.

Simon Fraser University and University of Windsor researchers, along with the Sioux Valley Dakota Nation, hope to identify an unknown number of children to restore their identities – either through commemoration or repatriation.

“The families and communities whose children were lost while attending these schools have questions that deserve answers,” said Sioux Valley Chief Jennifer Bone in a video statement June 1.

“The children buried at these sites must have their identities restored, and their stories told. They will never be forgotten, every child matters.”

Investigations into the cemeteries and unmarked graves at the school began in 2012. A number of potential graves have so far been identified.

[whitev70r]

Hundreds of unmarked graves discovered in Saskatchewan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...hool-1.6078375

The chief of the Cowessess First Nation in southeast Saskatchewan is set to announce the discovery of a large number of remains at a former residential school site.

Wednesday's release did not have a specific number of unmarked graves that have been found, but said the discovery "will be the most significantly substantial to date in Canada."

[westopher]

I wonder how many thousands of children the number will reach when this is all done.
You know what a good step to reconciliation would be? Maybe some clean drinking water on reserves JT. If we can afford 100 billion dollars in economic stimulus I think we can afford to do that? Would go a lot further than saying oh sorry and changing our FB profiles to a every child matters border around our pictures. Hell, maybe make the Catholic Church pay for some of it?
Also, I just saw a story that it’s the remains of 751 children in Saskatchewan.

[twitchyzero]

i was reading a manitoba one with unmarked graves was ran by Methodists

these nonsecular institutions have blood on their hands but feds created the program and and kept supporting it, ultimately ottawa is criminally responsible

[westopher]

Agreed. I think that everyone involved should have to contribute to the reconciliation however.
It’s crazy to think of the collateral damage this caused all throughout Canada today, like the addictions issues, the homeless population, huge portions of the mental health crisis, and the ignorance of the government to these issues that plagues Canada to this day. This will take generations to repair, if they even bother to take measurable steps to do it starting now, instead of just lip service.

[pastarocket]

I am sick to my stomach after reading a news article about the hundreds of unmarked graves at that former residential school is Saskatchewan.

I think that this is one of most disgusting and disrespectful things to do to an deceased person. Let people rest in peace!

Chief Delorme said they believe both adults and children were buried at the site.

The graves are unmarked but Chief Delorme said they believe there may have been marks on the graves or headstones prior to 1960, but said the Catholic Church representatives, who oversaw the site, removed them.

“Removing headstones is a crime in this country and we are treating this like a crime scene at this moment,” said Chief Delorme.

There needs to be more pressure on the Catholic church, on Pope Francis, to issue a formal apology for these atrocities. Step up Pope!

[whitev70r]

Time to change the title of this thread ... unless you want to start a new one everytime ... and there will be more!

Clean drinking water, livable houses, schools, healthcare ... least Canada can do.

There are other stories that whoever owned the land where the graves were located sold the property and now it's an RV park!

I don't know what the Indigenous Elders will decide but there is a part of me that exhuming the graves to find cause of death is kind of pointless, it disturbs the graves, and seems even more traumatic. But whatever they decide and think best.

[westopher]

Lol @the pope stepping up. The Catholic Church has operated with impunity and it will continue as long as people consider any criticism of the Catholic Church as an organization to be an attack on their religion.

[JDMDreams]

^^ good luck, aren't they like the richest organisation on earth? What population of the voters are native Vs church goers?

[yray]

all this research and reviving the history is great... recognizing past mistakes

If we are repeating the same mistakes now, shame on us as Canadians.

But there is a limit to reconciliation. changing school names, abstaining from celebrating Canada day... might as well start digging up Vancouver as it seems the whole city was a graveyard to the natives at some point in time?

Just recognize and move on, don't repeat the same mistakes.

[quasi]

Saskatchewan without a doubt has the most indigenous people so it's not surprising to me at all that they will have the largest burial sites if the same shit was going on at all residential schools which is what was happening by the sounds of it.

Saskatchewan I believe still to this date, half the public schools are Catholic. When I left there in the late 80's most public school were Catholic so the Churches have their hands all over that place. It's weird thinking back how backwards that school system was, teachers would hit you if you acted out. I got punched in the head by teachers and had my head smashed together with other kids many times from the age of 6 on, I never got it but they also used the strap which was essentially getting whipped with a belt. It's still nothing compared to the shit they did to those kids at the residential schools.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by yray

all this research and reviving the history is great... recognizing past mistakes

If we are repeating the same mistakes now, shame on us as Canadians.

But there is a limit to reconciliation. changing school names, abstaining from celebrating Canada day... might as well start digging up Vancouver as it seems the whole city was a graveyard to the natives at some point in time?

Just recognize and move on, don't repeat the same mistakes.

How does one move on without reconciliation?



Imagine someone from the government went and kidnapped your kids and then left them without basic necessities and they died. Buried them without your knowledge and then only decades later you find out about it.

Would you be good that the same government just saying "yeah, it happened, we recognize it, let's just move on since the past is the past"?

[westopher]

While residential schools specifically are in the past, the poor treatment of indigenous people certainly is very much current.

[meme405]

Originally Posted by westopher

I wonder how many thousands of children the number will reach when this is all done.

~4500 if I had to venture a guess.

That's not a number fetched out of thin air either, I'm sure someone can find the news stories, but years ago the government admitted that some 4500+ children died in the hands of the residential schools. These graves that are being found are remnants of those deaths.

Which is why I find it bizarre that people are shocked by this, the government already admitted that these children died, in their own documents. I guess you could be ignorant to what they did with the bodies, I personally am not surprised at all, the children were snatched out of their homes, and moved far away from where they lived, when they died whoever was in charge just buried them out back. Its disgusting that someone would think its okay, but unsurprising given all the other atrocities these same people were comiting.

[whitev70r]

^ I heard an interview with an Indigenous leader this morning, he projected the numbers of unmarked graves of children could be in the 20,000 range.

But all projections.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by westopher

You know what a good step to reconciliation would be? Maybe some clean drinking water on reserves JT. If we can afford 100 billion dollars in economic stimulus I think we can afford to do that?

I'm not familiar with all the details like if there's some reason the gov't isn't technically responsible for it, but either way it'd be a good thing to do and something that should've been done ages ago. It seems like the best time to be doing it too, isn't throwing money into public works like infrastructure a common tactic when a lot of people are struggling to find work?

[westopher]

From what I’ve read, it has to do with the government being unable to agree to the costs laid out by some companies.
Contractor says it will cost X
Government says it should cost Y and they won’t move forward with it due to that.
But we can spend 12.6 billion on an oil pipeline. I understand one is infrastructure for economic gains and one won’t provide that, but we are talking about basic human rights not being met in a first world country.
Edit, after a quick read, the government actually has made pretty significant progress on that issue, as it’s lifted over 100 advisories since 2017. There is approx 50 to go.

[JDMDreams]

I know its sad with the unmarked graves but was it really the fault of the government? I mean life expectancy was much lower even 100 years ago, could it be some flu or disease that wiped out a bunch of people? Just look at Coronas now.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I know its sad with the unmarked graves but was it really the fault of the government? I mean life expectancy was much lower even 100 years ago, could it be some flu or disease that wiped out a bunch of people? Just look at Coronas now.

Can't tell if you're intentionally being dense and ignoring context or if you really just lack awareness.

[MG1]

700+ in Saskatchewan residential school grounds...........

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/w...an-canada.html




The US are just as bad???

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/23/u...pgtype=Article


Wow, RS moves quickly. Went to take a piss before hitting send button and one page later...........

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I know its sad with the unmarked graves but was it really the fault of the government? I mean life expectancy was much lower even 100 years ago, could it be some flu or disease that wiped out a bunch of people? Just look at Coronas now.

Yes, lower life expectancies and viruses somehow personified and went around separating children from their parents and throwing them into a 'school' to try and beat the Indian out of them.

[JDMDreams]

^ I mean you can buy ppl about a hundred years ago with slavery, it was just a different times back then with European mentality. With the whole defeat and conquering of other countries. Just look at US Vs China, they won't let the inferior Chinese be #1 in anything.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^ I mean you can buy ppl about a hundred years ago with slavery, it was just a different times back then. With the whole defeat and conquer.

Bruh slavery still exists today.

Even if it doesn't, does it make it okay?

[JDMDreams]

So they say that they found unmarked graves not a mass grave. And some bodies of adults, so they might have just stumbled on an old cemetery

[68style]

It's going to be a loooooooong summer of graves and guilt in the news