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It's an interesting debate.
I think the restoration of the electrical grid would be a massive top priority. But not because dude needs to charge his Tesla. But because communication and data relies on electricity. Keeping cell phones charged and computers running is going to a be a massive need.
But if I had to choose right now, I'd still pick ICE. The infrastructure to distribute gasoline to motorists still far outweighs EV charging infrastructure. If I'm stranded, gasoline is portable and could be brought to me. And refueling is fast.
If the electrical grid is compromised, don't think for a second the gov't won't ask all EV owners to stop charging and reduce demand the same way they are asking people to buy less fuel.
The government really needs to learn from this experience and realize asking people to ration anything based on the HONOR SYSTEM, especially gas, is totally dumb and they should have known better.
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11-22-2021, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer  So they can’t waste 30 minutes looking for gas but they can take an EV and charge with 120v for 8 hours? Lol | 30 minutes of active driving around looking for gas stations vs 8 hours at home while you sleep....
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11-22-2021, 12:00 PM
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11-22-2021, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Special K | I asked a CBSA buddy of mine about this for further clarification. Looks like the general consensus between frontline staff is that it's a complete gong show, and they weren't given much direction. Sounded like communications tweeted it out and operations doesn't agree or something.
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11-22-2021, 01:27 PM
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why is there an ev vs ice debate?
own 1 ev and 1 ice, then you get both perks and both problems
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11-22-2021, 01:28 PM
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11-22-2021, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hehe And somehow my in-law can't fill up the gas without wasting 30+ minutes in line which he'd only get 30L?
I'm not saying that there are no ways to mitigate. But gas is extremely sensitive to both supply and logistic disruption.
EV is certainly not absolutely free of such. Power can get disconnected and power plant can go out. However, it is much less likely for electricity to require 10+ days of ration and pretty much 0 fluctuations in price. | And how long does 30 liters last him? Now compare that to how long he would have to charge at 110V to get the same range.
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11-22-2021, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by smoothie. why is there an ev vs ice debate?
own 1 ev and 1 ice, then you get both perks and both problems | because were poor and not rich like you
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11-22-2021, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Manic! And how long does 30 liters last him? Now compare that to how long he would have to charge at 110V to get the same range. | He's got a 5L X5. 30L last him like 2days maybe 3 if stretching.
Yes, the charging speed using a 110v is to cry for... but he really isn't actually spending any time to recharge as one'd have to in order to actually go to a gas station now. He just gets home, plug it in and that should give him enough range for most of his daily commute. (he gets about 80km for every day for plugging it in as soon as he gets home)
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11-22-2021, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hehe He's got a 5L X5. 30L last him like 2days maybe 3 if stretching.
Yes, the charging speed using a 110v is to cry for... but he really isn't actually spending any time to recharge as one'd have to in order to actually go to a gas station now. He just gets home, plug it in and that should give him enough range for most of his daily commute. (he gets about 80km for every day for plugging it in as soon as he gets home) | We have lots of fuel at our gas station and no line ups now. I don't know the situation in the mainland but we have no problems here. He could get 30 liters at night an 30 liters in the morning. That should give him over 400KM of range.
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11-23-2021, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Manic! We have lots of fuel at our gas station and no line ups now. I don't know the situation in the mainland but we have no problems here. He could get 30 liters at night an 30 liters in the morning. That should give him over 400KM of range. | I was up from Victoria to Nanaimo today. Gas stations are quiet in Duncan and Nanaimo. Still busy in Victoria but many have fuel and I pulled right up to the pump at Shell Westshore Parkway.
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11-24-2021, 09:51 AM
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EV is still out of reach for a lot of people.
Many will have to upgrade their panel. I only have 100amps and I have had two electricians say i'll need to upgrade my service to 200amps to support EV charging at 240V. I was quoted about $8k for the service.
Also, we need a larger SUV/Truck, the cost of a model Y is too expensive for us right now and to be honest the model Y is too small. The Model Y is like $80k and that's really the only option for a larger electric SUV.
Until the pricing is lower, many won't be going to EV, even if they want to.
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11-24-2021, 10:53 AM
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Like other mention get 1 EV and 1 ICE or you can get a PHEV. My buddy has the Toyota RAV 4 Prime and hes really does have the best of both worlds. lol.
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11-24-2021, 11:06 AM
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Price-wise, the upfront cost of EVs are certainly still more expensive than an equivalently sized ICE vehicle, and that larger upfront cost is always an obstacle for many people. IMO, people really have to do the math to figure out how long it'll be for the EV ownership to become cheaper than ICE ownership, and make their decisions based on that.
On the other hand, I don't think having just a 100A service at home is necessarily a show stopping obstacle to EV ownership. It could be inconvenient, but I think it can certainly be made to work with a single EV. In some cases, people might even be able to get by with just L1 charging. IMO, as long as you set up L2 charging at home -- and that only needs a 240V outlet -- there shouldn't be any problems supporting a single EV even if you only have 100A service. Quote:
Originally Posted by PeanutButter EV is still out of reach for a lot of people.
Many will have to upgrade their panel. I only have 100amps and I have had two electricians say i'll need to upgrade my service to 200amps to support EV charging at 240V. I was quoted about $8k for the service.
Also, we need a larger SUV/Truck, the cost of a model Y is too expensive for us right now and to be honest the model Y is too small. The Model Y is like $80k and that's really the only option for a larger electric SUV.
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11-24-2021, 11:34 AM
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If you’re buying a $60,000 model 3, or a $28,000 Honda Civic, I really doubt you realize the cost savings during the entire length of ownership. On top of that the reduced reliability, etc
I’d consider an EV absolutely, however I have literally no way to charge one. I have a detached home but I have no garage, no car port, no place I could install a charger. So I’m in this spot where even if I wanted to, I would never feel comfortable in switching as at the very most, I’d have the 120v charger strung across my sidewalk. There are obstacles for many besides the cost
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11-24-2021, 11:37 AM
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If you have only one car ... hybrid, PHEV is your best bet for economy, fuel, anxiety range, practicality, etc.
If you have the luxury of two cars - one EV and one ICE (or hybrid).
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11-24-2021, 12:00 PM
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PHEV is nice because of more makes/models available and access to the HOV lane (which I predict will eventually end as more EVs hit the road).
But I find it hard to justify the expense of PHEV. You have to maintain a ICE motor on top of paying a premium for an electric motor. Pay for charging and pay for gas too. Plus there is the purchase premium. PHEV is great for rich people with all the money but not necessarily if you're looking at this from an economical perspective.
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11-24-2021, 12:05 PM
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I’m not too in the know regarding the PHEV but a colleague at work bought a Hyundai or little Kia thing that’s a plug in hybrid
Said it only gets like 30km on the battery? Kinda useless and with the additional parts/potential for things to go wrong
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11-24-2021, 12:26 PM
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PHEV might have benefit from both worlds, but it also inherits the problem of both worlds such as maintenance and higher battery wear as battery has limited cycles it can go through. Usually not a problem for pure battery EV as their battery pack is much bigger and it'd be much longer before it gets hit with that problem, and finally the relatively higher upfront cost.
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11-24-2021, 12:29 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't consider a "base" Tesla Model 3 as an EV equivalent to a Honda Civic. I'd consider the Model 3 to be closer to an EV equivalent of an entry level model from Mercedes, BMW, and Audi. A Nissan Leaf or Hyundai Ioniq would be closer to the Honda Civic comparison, although the match is far from perfect because the Civic is a bigger car.
With a comparison like that, the lower operating and maintenance costs of the EV should be able to make for a lower TCO in the long run. But it is still going to take some estimates and calculations to really figure it out.
To make EVs work as our provincial and federal governments have legislated, the publicly accessible charging infrastructure would really have to improve quite a bit. And let's not kid ourselves -- the ICE cars are still gonna be around for a long, lonnnng time after the planned 2035 date if the governments do not push the date back. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondaracer If you’re buying a $60,000 model 3, or a $28,000 Honda Civic, I really doubt you realize the cost savings during the entire length of ownership. On top of that the reduced reliability, etc | | |
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11-24-2021, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer I’m not too in the know regarding the PHEV but a colleague at work bought a Hyundai or little Kia thing that’s a plug in hybrid
Said it only gets like 30km on the battery? Kinda useless and with the additional parts/potential for things to go wrong | Most commutes to and from work is 30kms (or less) so it is really designed for this which means you hardly use any gas Mon-Fri. When you go on a road trip, then you're using mostly ICE engine with a little bit of hybrid advantage on hwy. Most PHEV engines are pretty small and fuel efficient. I know folks who drive PHEV that gets like 2-3L/100 kms ... plus HOV access. That's a pretty hard to beat combination. In terms of maintenance of a PHEV, don't know about that.
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11-24-2021, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer If you’re buying a $60,000 model 3, or a $28,000 Honda Civic, I really doubt you realize the cost savings during the entire length of ownership. On top of that the reduced reliability, etc
I’d consider an EV absolutely, however I have literally no way to charge one. I have a detached home but I have no garage, no car port, no place I could install a charger. So I’m in this spot where even if I wanted to, I would never feel comfortable in switching as at the very most, I’d have the 120v charger strung across my sidewalk. There are obstacles for many besides the cost | One thing most people don't understand is you don't need a charger for a Tesla. You just need a 220 volt plug. You can can plug the car directly into the socket.
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11-24-2021, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Manic! One thing most people don't understand is you don't need a charger for a Tesla. You just need a 220 volt plug. You can can plug the car directly into the socket. | Still wouldn’t work for me. Interesting point though
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I'm going to guess anyone panic buying an EV because of a mild inconvenience when getting gas one time are the same geniuses who have been panic buying everything else and creating artificial shortages for no reason. If you're really that worried, buy a couple jerry cans and cycle the gas through every few months.
There's no way I'd trust my mobility entirely to the electrical grid. I don't know how things are laid out in the GVRD, but in the rest of the province a lot of towns have a single line feeding them. One fire/flood/landslide and they're SOL for a long time. It doesn't matter how badly people might want it fixed, if it's toast it's toast, and emergency supplies of fuel will be a lot easier to bring in than electricity.
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