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Old 05-14-2024, 10:20 AM   #26
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What are you guys loading up on these things?

I built a 6-spd TRD Pro with option package the other day and it was $53k + taxes/fees
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If you pick the 4X4 Double Cab Hybrid - Trailhunter and add every single option and include taxes it's $107k. But nobody is actually going to do that. A regular auto TRD Off Road is 60k all in. Which is still a lot of money but that's a really nice truck.
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What are you guys loading up on these things?

I built a 6-spd TRD Pro with option package the other day and it was $53k + taxes/fees
I think that's a TRD Offroad/Sport trim and not the TRD Pro which from memory is on the lower-end of the Tacoma's many combinations. I thought it was well priced for a 6MT truck in this post-covid new-car pricing climate.
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I mean... it's still quad cab, 4x4, A/C, power everything, has nice wheels and a bit of a bodykit, etc... doesn't look too bad... I might consider one moving to cowtown, throw a tent thing in the back and do some Rocky Mountain experiences.

It's the only way to still buy a manual, makes things simpler haha
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It's not like the old days where the base model had no AC and manual windows. What can you actually add on that's useful? Other than the diff lock and the Bilsteins I don't see anything in there that's actually worth paying extra for.
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With how bad the 2.4T is, the Hybrid IMO is a must
but the Hybrid gets worse mileage than an F150 Hybrid
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That's just like... your opinion man.

If it was that horrible, would it be in this many cars?

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If I understand your logic right, an engine that's used in many vehicles means it's a good engine.

Specific to Toyota, the 2AZ-FE shipped million+ units across 9 model years.
It, however, had piston ring and oil return hole issues that TSB was issued for:

2007-2009 Camry
2007-2011 Camry Hybrid
2007-2008 Solara
2009-2012 Corolla
2009-2013 Matrix
2006-2008 Rav4
2007-2010 Scion Tc
2008-2015 Scion Xb

They're also shipping the V35 across ~400k units and 8 model years.
This motor, however, has con-rod and main bearing issues that are ongoing.

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Lastly, from my experience working at a supplier for domestic OEM, powertrain teams are given fuel economy, power, refinement, and cost targets to meet overall program goals.
While Ford has its own financial and management issues (see CD6 program spec/timeline/cost slip), IMO Toyota's powertrain team have failed to meet their targets

While thermal efficiency is excellent in Dynamic Force family (40%+ ... their Mazda investment paid off), each powertrain 'package' has shortcomings:

Tundra hybrid is fine with the "Toyota reliability tax".
Though it has worse acceleration, fuel economy (3MPG), payload (200lb), tow (700lb), and cost performance ($5k) than Powerboost F-150, it seems fairly reliable (so far immune from issues affecting gas-only models) and cheap to own with NiMh battery.

Tundra gas is really bad. Took 11 years to release a TT V-6 that's worse in every way than Ford's MY11 3.5 Ecoboost.
It combine bottom end issues with performance (HP and TQ) and fuel economy deficit, though the transmission is probably more dependable than 10R80.
In midsizers like GX, the V35A is this is compared to Bronco/Ranger 3.0T which has 70 more HP for the same fuel economy.

Tacoma hybrid variant of T24 is great for midsizers but just 'ok' overall.
Although it has worse fuel economy and power than F-150 Powerboost, it was designed to a different cost target, compares well in its class and seems fairly reliable so far.
In midsizers (Land Cruiser), this is the midrange powertrain comparable to the Ford and GM 2.7T which both have less factory HP and fuel economy.

Tacoma gas-only variant of T-24 seems like a miss.
It compares poorly to Ford 2.7T V6 and my complain about the insane NVH is shared with reviewers.
With similar EPA fuel economy, it's down on power to the 2.7T (279 vs 310 stock or 355 warrantied tune, TQ is similar)
When compared to the Ford 2.3T (which I think has really poor driveability), stock power/fuel economy are comparable BUT

... Tacoma NVH is so bad that even the Chief engineer of Tacoma said they detuned the engine to mate it with a manual transmission in the Tacoma due to crank shaft hammering lmao.
Though NVH doesn't seem to deter buyers though since even RX sales numbers are up, you really wanna buy a powertrain package that had to be detuned?
Ford on the other hand is offering a warrantied 2.3T tune for 330/385lbft ... paired to Bronco 7MT.
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That's just like... your opinion man.

If it was that horrible, would it be in this many cars?

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2022–present Highlander/Kluger (TXUA70/75)
2022–present Lexus RX 350 (TALA10/15)
2022–present Lexus RX 500h (TALH17)
2022–present Crown Crossover Turbo Hybrid (TZSH35)
2023–present Grand Highlander (TASA10/15)
2023–present Grand Highlander Turbo Hybrid (TASH15)
2023–present Lexus LM 500h (TAWH15)
2023–present Tacoma
2023–present Tacoma Hybrid
2023–present Lexus TX 350
2023–present Lexus TX 500h
2023–present Alphard/Vellfire (TAHA40/45)
2024-present Land Cruiser Prado (J250)
2024–present 4Runner

Man I totally thought you’re just listing the fleet of cars you’ve owned. My bad.

Here’s a Tacoma in Tacoma. So you can Tacoma while you Tacoma.
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Okay so buy a F-150 Hybrid then.

I've got 9 of them in my vehicle fleet so far. All of them 2023 models. 4 of them randomly won't start which has rendered them useless for remote site work Ford can't figure it out, they've all been in for warranty for months now. One dealership closed the hood really hard and it started after and he tried to tell us that might be the solution going forward.

Don't even get me started on their gas consumption and cam phasers on the couple years old 3.5's and oh yah the sunroofs that are all guaranteed to leak around the rivets that Ford thought would be a good idea to put through the drain tray so that the drain tray leaks when the rivets loosen over time.

Newsflash: every vehicle has problems. Every Ford truck in our fleet is a complete piece of shit but there's no other choice when they're the lowest bid. Congrats on the warranteed 2.3 EcoBoost, too bad it's inside the vehicle equivalent of a trash can. You're complaining about NVH and then you list the BRONCO like it's to be looked up to? Jesus Christ, I nearly went deaf riding in one of those from Vancouver>Seattle>Vancouver.
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In the $60k+ range I wouldn't even be looking at a mid size, fuck that lol after getting a full size you can't go back when the prices are so close now.
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