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RabidRat 03-03-2024 09:27 AM

Fisker Ocean
 
Saw one on the road yesterday!

They seem like a reasonable value: roughly the same pricing as a Y, but with more range, power-opening panoramic sunroof.

https://www.fiskerinc.com/ocean

https://i.imgur.com/SObFhgH.jpg

sonick 03-03-2024 11:00 AM


RabidRat 03-03-2024 02:38 PM

LOL yeah that's pretty bad

edit: counterpoint by The Autopian:
https://www.theautopian.com/the-fisk...u-think-it-is/

It's going to be a rough ownership experience with the first batch :).

GLOW 03-03-2024 05:47 PM

interesting fisker asked him to wait for their SW update before reviewing

bcrdukes 03-04-2024 06:59 AM

At least they took the opportunity to ask him to wait for the SW update. Vinfast let a bunch of automotive reviewers go bonkers only to realize the SW needed an update and it hit them hard with a lot of bad reviews.

68style 03-04-2024 07:02 AM

How does a car get on the road legally but is in bad enough a state that a software update is required to make it viable?

Cars are definitely something that should require getting it right the first time.

Hehe 03-04-2024 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9128171)
How does a car get on the road legally but is in bad enough a state that a software update is required to make it viable?

Cars are definitely something that should require getting it right the first time.

The problem is that Fisker have Magna to make the cars for them. And Magna being what it is, think from an ICE perspective. But when you look at what an EV actually is, it's all about software. You need software for the car infotainment system, software for BMS, software for drivetrain and software for everything. It's a computer on wheels.

And most ICE car manufacturers do not have the software expertise. Their IPs and know-hows center heavily on mechanical engineering. But there isn't all that much mech. engineering on an EV once you know the battery and electronic drive unit that you are going to put in. It's all software from there on.

bcrdukes 03-04-2024 09:48 AM

Who is actually responsible for building the software for the Fisker? Is it public knowledge that Magna is writing the software or are they simply manufacturing the hard product (the vehicle itself.) I hope I am wrong, but Magna has been known to be a manufacturer, not a software development company.

Hondaracer 03-04-2024 10:05 AM

From that video seems like they would have been better off just stuffing Apple car play into it with some battery monitoring

Dbone 03-04-2024 01:11 PM

Saying the legacy automakers don't understand software sounds like something Tesla sales people would try to have you believe.

Most cars are drive by wire, most have electric steering assist. All have ABS, traction control, stability control. Most have parking sensors, and a whole suit of other sensors to manage. Sure, GUI design probably isn't so great, and perhaps battery management is something that requires a good amount of R+D, but the systems that drive and manage a car are not really that different.

Back to Fisker, I've heard they have paused production and are scrambling to setup a dealer network. I personally wouldn't put down any money on one as they may well go bust (again).

AstulzerRZD 03-04-2024 01:46 PM

Sat in one today, they are going to sell like 5 of these.

1) door armrest things are subcompact size, no handle and can't rest your hand on them

2) the infotainment is immediately and super luggagy

3) the trunk is tiny, smaller than CX-5 and Q3 ... north americans need trunk size for costco run

thing is Tesla is a known quantity and people still see it as a premium & sexy product.

other EV manufacturers either need to sell adventure or even more luxury ... along with getting the fundamentals right.

Hondaracer 03-04-2024 02:17 PM

I don’t know why someone just doesn’t make like some 15k econo box that has 200km of range

Is it impossible to build a car with 200km range and sell it for less than 20?

radeonboy 03-04-2024 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9128251)
I don’t know why someone just doesn’t make like some 15k econo box that has 200km of range

Is it impossible to build a car with 200km range and sell it for less than 20?

The Chinese can probably build something with that target within NA crash standards, but I don't think they can get around the protectionism in NA. Think something like a BYD Seagull.


Hehe 03-04-2024 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dbone (Post 9128238)
Saying the legacy automakers don't understand software sounds like something Tesla sales people would try to have you believe.

Most cars are drive by wire, most have electric steering assist. All have ABS, traction control, stability control. Most have parking sensors, and a whole suit of other sensors to manage. Sure, GUI design probably isn't so great, and perhaps battery management is something that requires a good amount of R+D, but the systems that drive and manage a car are not really that different.

Back to Fisker, I've heard they have paused production and are scrambling to setup a dealer network. I personally wouldn't put down any money on one as they may well go bust (again).

If you check on how legacy automakers make their vehicle software, you'd understand the difference between them vs. Tesla.

They are basically putting things together. Much like you have a windows PC, and you can gather different parts, as long as those parts are made to be Windows-compatible, they are able to work with. Nowadays is mostly GENIVI framework I believe.

Legacy carmakers don't care about how efficient or how well something work. That's why they all rely of 3rd parties to do their stuff and as long as they are within the GENIVI framework, they work. But to work =/= work well. There are tens if not over 100 ECUs to control various aspects of the vehicle.

This is where cars like Fisker Ocean have so many problems. Each ECU work on their own to control a particular part of the car. They don't talk to each other. And when there's a conflict between what's going on, it's each to their own.

Tesla, on the other hand, works on a different architecture. They have this domain concept that splits the vehicle E/E into 3 large sectors. Each with their own management and safety things like redundancy and whatnot and instead of tens of ECUs, a single DCU takes on multiple functions.

To make it simple in programming terms, the level between what legacy automakers and Tesla or even Rivian are doing is like someone who learn how to write a code to show a popup of "Hello World" vs. a full OS system. They are on a whole different level of complexity and require different types of expertise.

Tesla didn't get there in one day. But they knew from the moment they were making Model S that this was the way to go and put their effort on.

Manic! 03-04-2024 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hehe (Post 9128266)
If you check on how legacy automakers make their vehicle software, you'd understand the difference between them vs. Tesla.

They are basically putting things together. Much like you have a windows PC, and you can gather different parts, as long as those parts are made to be Windows-compatible, they are able to work with. Nowadays is mostly GENIVI framework I believe.

Legacy carmakers don't care about how efficient or how well something work. That's why they all rely of 3rd parties to do their stuff and as long as they are within the GENIVI framework, they work. But to work =/= work well. There are tens if not over 100 ECUs to control various aspects of the vehicle.

This is where cars like Fisker Ocean have so many problems. Each ECU work on their own to control a particular part of the car. They don't talk to each other. And when there's a conflict between what's going on, it's each to their own.

Tesla, on the other hand, works on a different architecture. They have this domain concept that splits the vehicle E/E into 3 large sectors. Each with their own management and safety things like redundancy and whatnot and instead of tens of ECUs, a single DCU takes on multiple functions.

To make it simple in programming terms, the level between what legacy automakers and Tesla or even Rivian are doing is like someone who learn how to write a code to show a popup of "Hello World" vs. a full OS system. They are on a whole different level of complexity and require different types of expertise.

Tesla didn't get there in one day. But they knew from the moment they were making Model S that this was the way to go and put their effort on.

My dads Model X uses an AMD APU that can run steam games. Before that they used Intel Atom chips.

BIC_BAWS 03-06-2024 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonick (Post 9128126)

Apparently this is a whole PR nightmare now. A senior engineer for Fisker called the owner of the Mitsubishi dealership who doesn't sound like they knew the whole situation. He called Marques a "kid" and "mouthpiece", clearly not knowing the impact of the MKBHD brand lol.

I couldn't find another source for it, but here's the conversation posted from the owner of the Mitsubishi dealership.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMM2a4bwa/

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Hondaracer 03-06-2024 06:42 PM

If that was a legitimate call from someone from Fiskar and not some click bait BS, woweee.. lol

That type of following and presence could single handedly sink Fiskar. Kind of hard to beleive they’d be so obvious

Hehe 03-13-2024 08:33 PM

It seems that Fisker is looking at bankruptcy filling.


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