I was fully prepared to mock this thing but it actually looks pretty good apart from the black plastic around the wheel wells.

https://insideevs.com/news/756758/su...refresh-range/

The Solterra got a face lift

I'm curious how their range went from 220 miles to 280 miles.

But charging is still last-last gen: 35min 10-80% means 75kW average or 1hr+ in the winter.
They were benchmarking Tesla, which take 33 minutes.

Compare to Ioniq at 16min, averaging 170kW (higher than Solterra max).
Or Zeekr 7X which 9 minutes, average 336kW.

Let me know if there's something that doesn't make anyone but the average dimbulb sleepy just looking at it

No sti or hood scoop no buy

Were you able to sit in the Trailseeker? How are the back seats, can it slide back for a lot more room? Or is the interior space actually just exactly the same as the Solterra / BZ4x, just with an extended cargo area?

The wheelbase is the same and the extra length appears in the cargo area, so seating dimensions are likely the same as the Solterra.

This video doesn't mention anything about sliding 2nd row seats either.

I wish they'd stop with the unpainted plastic. Ugh.

The facelifted Solterra now comes with body-matched fenders, but I'm so used to the unpainted plastic that this refresh feels weird now.

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/9m...ve-photos.webp

Front seats? Center console feels a bit wider, big console space can fit a 12" iPad Pro but not my 16" Macbook.

Rear seats? No real recline because of the rear wheel wells, about the same space as normal BZ4x/Solterra.

Press materials? Says the rear floor is flat but it's actually not.

I cannot emphasize enough how much this thing looks like it hsa a drooping jaw, cleft lip, and puffed up cheeks from an allergic reaction all at once.

IMO this is pretty bad - an EV9/Ioniq 5 XRT/Mach E rally will be infinitely better cars.

But it makes it more..offroady.. :lol

Trying to think about who might buy a Trailseeker....

1) Solterra buyers who thought the Solterra doesn't have enough room?
2) Outback wagon loyalists who will give anything up to keep a wagon bodystyle?
3) Families who want a more rugged electric to move their mountain bikes?
4) Bad credit buyers who couldn't afford an Outback but still want a Subaru?

My bet is 10k incentive at release in the US, enough to lease well but not enough to be competitive.
Lyriq, Equinox, Ioniq, EV6, Blazer will lease for half the price of the Solterra/Trailhunter.
When the Rivian R2 releases at the same price and with tax credit, incentive will become 17k.

^ I could've gone for a Trailseeker if it had turned out to be roomier, and even moreso if it had an optional 3rd row.

It'd be something like #3 for me. We want a family adventure beater that is inexpensive enough that we're not going to overly care about the kids stomping the shiet out of the insides, nor some light trail rash from driving through the trees.

We currently have a '17 Highlander Hybrid to fill this role but it is a desperately wretched experience. I can't take the disconnectedness nor the moaning of the CVT anymore, even if the assisted V6 does pull pretty good. And the scent of ICE fumes is getting real old. The EV mode button doesn't work half the time, so we're stuck reversing into our attached garage with crap spewing out the exhaust, and our 6 m/o and 2 y/o get to breathe it all in.

We're going all-EV and never looking back after this one. The ICE experience sucks in any vehicle remotely budget these days. The Trailseeker's not-great range and charging speed aren't a deal breaker because 99% of the time we're just charging overnight w/ the L2 in our garage anyway. For sure it would be nice to have better for road trips, but I think we could deal.

Am waiting on the Rivian R2 and Scout Traveler for sure.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...d3bbed84b1.jpg

Can we talk about how ugly all the new Subaru's are? These things are embarrassing.

I actually think the Outback's going to sell well with new styling - biggest complaint with Passport / Outback is it doesn't look sporty enough. We see product planning has adjusted this.

Wait, new Subaru?

Didn't you post a picture of a 2003 Forester?

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...1w&oe=680714C8

I guess that's one way to cut costs: reuse your factory tooling from 23 years ago.

Aren't the engines from 20 years ago

nah they have the new FA24DIT which is finally reliable, consistent, and has good power delivery

It's not pretty, but compared to most modern vehicles it's pretty decent looking.

I think it goods pretty good.

I think the styling is okay. A bit of a brick in the wind.

However, it's in that realm of pointlessness to me where it looks like a SUV but has none of the ground clearance or suspension articulation.

Doesn't it have like 8inches+ of ground clearance?

Suspension articulation's a diff story

Maybe because it's sitting on grass visually it looks low but I think you're right.