[What_the?]

Hello,

Was just reading the "UBC Med Guidance" thread, and as SIR_vfung said, I too did not expect there to be quite a few MD students on RS.

So, I'm curious to see if we have any other health professionals out there. I know of a few pharmacy students and a few med students... I don't know of any dentistry students on RS or Nursing, etc. Anyhow, If I left your name out, just add it on. Or if i left a category out, just add it on. Let's start building the RS medical community... heh

Anyhow, here we go. Let's make a running list. I'm sure a few of you would be interested in knowing anyhow.

Doctors
1. 604EL
2. skylinegtr
3. UBCAce
4. jope

Pharmacists
1. What_the?
2. Meh
3. Jermyzy
4. AudiA4Turbo
5. JDMCivic
6. anonymous
7. fille
8. SiR_vfung
9. freelunch
10. terkan

Pharmacy Technicians
1. DragonboyLy

Dentists
None known yet

Nurses
1. Niv
2. KChen
3. FeistyBearH22a
4. SiR_vfung (switched to pharmacy)
5. djromanj
6. vitzecho
7. MajinHurricane

Physiotherapists
None known yet

Optometrists
1. acurael

Veterinarians
None known yet

Dieticians
None known yet

Mental Health
1. Mr.Temp
2. ccc

ABA-Therapy
1.SIR_vfung
2. bob_chan

Social Workers
1. jACE

Medical Laboratory Technicians
1. IMASA
2. amplified
3. bob_chan

Health Policy Advisors/Legislators
1. Garrett92Z

Respiratory Therapists
1. Croatian7

Drug Development
1. Jewell

Medical Office Assistants
1. BellyDancerYuna
2. XtC_13aBy

Paramedics
1. Canadian Rider
2. Troponin

Dental Hygienists
1. twitchyzero

Kinesiologists
1. Nvasion

[TheStig]

Actually, I'm not a med student anymore... believe it or not, I've graduated :)

[AudiA4Turbo]

pharm student here

[JDMCivic]

pharm as well

[niv]

nursing student.

[What_the?]

Originally posted by skylinegtr
Actually, I'm not a med student anymore... believe it or not, I've graduated :)

Sweet... good job :)

Are you a GP or specializing in something?

[Mrtemp]

You forgot to add Mental Health

We're health care workers as well ;)

[What_the?]

^added :)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

so are you guys in it for the money, or to better humanity.

skylinegtr recite the doctors creed on the spot, off the top of your head!

[TheStig]

Originally posted by Ulic Qel-Droma
so are you guys in it for the money, or to better humanity.

skylinegtr recite the doctors creed on the spot, off the top of your head!

Like Homer said, "A little from Column A, a little from Column B" ;)

You make decent money as a doc, but the lifestyle can be quite stressful. All the people I know and went to school with are in it to help people, including myself.

[ccc]

Mental Health

[SiRV]

haha cool thread, hope i can add myself to a list soon!

(edit):
If being a therapist counts,
I guess I can be put under ABA -therapy

[jACEDesignsLtd]

This thread rocks :)

Social Worker here..

Mental health workers: Are you like a psychiatric nurse? a clinical psychologist? a psychiatrist?

Where's everyone now? On campus? In the community? hospital? And what year? I've come across quite a few pharm students

[What_the?]

huzzah! some appreciation for my thread!

i'm on campus 2nd year pharm... meh is too... i think jermyzy is graduating this year? skylinegtr is graduated... and not sure where everyone else is...

oh yea... what's aba-therapy by the way? did i put the category up right?

[Mrtemp]

Originally posted by jACE
This thread rocks :)

Social Worker here..

Mental health workers: Are you like a psychiatric nurse? a clinical psychologist? a psychiatrist?

Where's everyone now? On campus? In the community? hospital? And what year? I've come across quite a few pharm students

I'm a Community Mental Health Worker/Forensic Transition Worker. I work for the Coast Foundation Society in their boarding homes in Vancouver as well as for their Forensic Transition program on Riverview grounds. :)

[jACEDesignsLtd]

what_the?: I'm doing my last term.. them I'm done with school (thank god).. for now at least :) I met some people: Anoop? Scott? Ali? Rocko? I think they're in 3rd year though...

ABA therapy (http://rsaffran.tripod.com/faq.html#q2)

Sir-vfung: Cool! I work in the field of developmental disabilities as well. I have 2 students right now, they are great. How long have you been in this? How's it going?

Mrtemp: You're a good person to know :) I understand that housing is a major concern for people with mental health issues.

[What_the?]

hahaha anoop's in 2nd year, if it's big white guy scott, he's in 2nd year too... and ali-reza is also in 2nd year... rocky if it's the white guy with like short buzzed type hair, he's graduating this year...

:)

[IMASA]

I guess I'm the only lab tech here, I work in microbiology/chemistry/hematology and soon transfusion medicine at St Paul's hospital.

[What_the?]

so you're a medical laboratory technician then imasa? just so i know what category to put you in

[TheStig]

We should have a Health Care Professionals meet

[604EL]

I think technically I should really be considered a pharmacist and not doctor.

[What_the?]

^ how come? Aren't you in med school?

I thought once you go into med, you have to revoke your possibility of being a pharmacist. i.e. you can't be both...

skylinegtr: yea, we should get something together :) although technically i've met you before... :P

btw, where are you working now?

[jACEDesignsLtd]

Originally posted by What_the?
hahaha anoop's in 2nd year, if it's big white guy scott, he's in 2nd year too... and ali-reza is also in 2nd year... rocky if it's the white guy with like short buzzed type hair, he's graduating this year...

:)

Yep to all. I know them from the IHHS course I took at St. Paul's. We had a team called "Social Pharmers" LOL. I see Anoop every now and then. He got me into doing the C.H.I.U.S. thing at the DCHC. And yes, big guy Scott.. tell him that I've been hooked on soy nuts because of him LOL. Ali-Reza, Rocky (I did the HealthCare Team Challenge 2005 and was on his team) yeup.. if you mention young, Chinese social worker, they'll know me... there's not many out there :p

Originally posted by IMASA
I guess I'm the only lab tech here, I work in microbiology/chemistry/hematology and soon transfusion medicine at St Paul's hospital.

"Amplified" from the B/S mod team is actually a lab tech too.. but at Richmond Hospital.

Originally posted by skylinegtr
We should have a Health Care Professionals meet

We'd call it "Rounds" :D

[IMASA]

Hehe, most of the rounds I've been to have free food/coffee and treats so I'll be expecting the same thing :)

[amplified]

yeah i'm a lab tech @ richmond hospital

[604EL]

Originally posted by What_the?
^ how come? Aren't you in med school?

I thought once you go into med, you have to revoke your possibility of being a pharmacist. i.e. you can't be both...



Not quite. The rule is that you can't hold two professional licenses at the same time. As you know, the school faculties are separate entities from the licensing college. One gives you the degree, the other gives you the license, so getting a degree doesn't equal getting licensed. Cuz I'm still a student, I can work as an RPh up til the day I get licensed as a doctor.

[What_the?]

^ah sweet... you can pay off your bills as a pharmacist while going to school to be a doctor... hahahah

[jACEDesignsLtd]

Originally posted by IMASA
Hehe, most of the rounds I've been to have free food/coffee and treats so I'll be expecting the same thing :)

Damn, I've got to go to your rounds then :D

[!SG]

what would Meth, Crack & Marijuana Dealer fall under... Pharmacist?

[jACEDesignsLtd]

that's all?

[acurael]

optometry student here

[bcrdukes]

Originally posted by SG
what would Meth, Crack & Marijuana Dealer fall under... Pharmacist?

In East Vancouver, we call it "Pharmaceutical Distributor." ;)

[jACEDesignsLtd]

now, now guys.. easy on the pharmacy students :)

any more healthcare peeps? It's good to know there are other healthcare workers on RS. Anyone in placements? I'm at Youville right now, but I'll be at VGH in January.

[TheStig]

Originally posted by What_the?

skylinegtr: yea, we should get something together :) although technically i've met you before... :P


Really? Oh, was that at the UBC Meet? Cool :)

Sure, we should call the meet "Multidisciplinary Health Professional Rounds". And try and get one of the drug companies to sponsor us with lunch! ;)

[TheStig]

Originally posted by 604EL
I can work as an RPh up til the day I get licensed as a doctor.

I agree, that's a *really* good idea. I had friends who worked on the weekends as pharmacists during the first few years of med school (when you actually have time on the weekends for that sort of thing), and it helped them a lot with finances.

[anonymous]

Graduating pharm this year :D

[What_the?]

Hey what the? Who are you anonymous?

[Garett92Z]

you missed: Health Policy Advisors/Legislators

Lots of people making big decisions in health care aren't science people at all -- in fact, they're bureaucrats and politicians :P


I'm focusing on health law and policy at the University of Victoria.

Hope we can have some engaging debates on this radically changing field so essential to us all!

Garett Couturier

[What_the?]

^ah... good point...

it'd be nice to get opinions from policy makers as well of course

[Croatian7]

<- Respiratory Therapist

[What_the?]

^ Cool... so do you work with asthma patients croatian7? Or what type of people do you work with?

You know what? Just looking at the list, i'm surprised there hasn't been a single dietician report in. I'm sure someone's in dietetics or is a dietician on RS... come on

[Croatian7]

Three years school. Base salary same as a nurse, but much better job, no cleaning patients involved.

Outline:

Respiratory therapists perform some or all of the following duties:
Perform diagnostic tests, such as arterial blood gas analysis and cardiopulmonary functions tests
Operate and monitor respiratory equipment to administer treatments such as oxygen, oxygen-air mixtures, humidified air or medications
Operate, monitor, maintain and test a variety of diagnostic and therapeutic equipment
Assess patients and perform or assist with interventions such as airway maintenance, line insertions, inductions and intubations
Perform artificial respiration and external cardiac massage
Assist with transport of high-risk patients
Supervise and train students and other respiratory therapists
Participate in home care programs for chronic respiratory patients and provide patient and family education
Participate in research related to cardiac and pulmonary disorders.

[jACEDesignsLtd]

Originally posted by Garett92Z
you missed: Health Policy Advisors/Legislators

Lots of people making big decisions in health care aren't science people at all -- in fact, they're bureaucrats and politicians :P


Can't agree more.

Curious.. is this a law program? What have you learned so far about healthcare?

p.s. You're another good person to know :D

[Jocelyn]

Will be a Med student in roughly 3 years... No matter what it takes *holds lightning rod into the air and awaits corny battle music*

[Jocelyn]

Originally posted by Ulic Qel-Droma
so are you guys in it for the money, or to better humanity.


I have an utter fascination with the human body. The way it works and functions is just insane... Right down to the way that our cells work.

I'm also a very friendly person, so helping others sounds good to me :P

And congratulations, Dr. skylinegtr !

[What_the?]

good luck to you Jocelyn :)

[Jocelyn]

Thank you :D

[UBCAce]

Originally posted by jACE
Can't agree more.

Curious.. is this a law program? What have you learned so far about healthcare?

p.s. You're another good person to know :D

I think he's referring to the Health Administration program (MHA). I did this program before entering med at UBC and worked at the Fraser Health Authority doing policy work...it's definitely a growing field and the new program at UBC makes it convenient for more older people (ie. doctors/nurses) already working to complete the MHA as it is an executive style program (go to school 1 weekend/month for 2 years).

Here's more info on the program: LINK (http://www.healthcare.ubc.ca/MHA_Program/index.html)

[Garett92Z]

No, sorry I'm not part of the MHA @ UBC. I have a strong interest in health policy, and so my course focus in my undergrad surrounds that. I'm soon to graduate, so will be off to a law school that specializes in health law.

Most universities offer a few courses on health policy, health law, health informatics etc. Take one or two and see if you like it :)

What have I learned about healthcare? That's a huge question, but you learn about many things: duty of care, informed consent, therapeutic privaledge, Canada Health Act, Health as a human right?, ethical theories regarding health, euthenasia and other moral dilemmas, doctor/patient relationship throughout history etc.

In terms of the legal realm, there is a lot to know:
fiduciary responsibility, negligence, vicarious liability, assault and battery (yes, these are related to health!), individual autonomy, sections of the charter relating to health (particular s.7, s.15, s.8)

A good start is a browse through the prologue of the Canada Health Act, and then get a good book on the current environment in health.

http://www.canadiansocialresearch.net/health.htm

is also a good place to learn.


GC

[Garett92Z]

Also, Timothy Caulfield is a leading author on Health Policy in Canada. I believe he has a new book out regarding this. Check him out, he's from the U of Alberta

[[YeS.SiR]]

Mary Anne Bobinski at UBC is also a huge figure in health law and quite accessible to students.

[Mrtemp]

Originally posted by jACE

Mrtemp: You're a good person to know :) I understand that housing is a major concern for people with mental health issues.

Yes it is. In my work as a forensic transition worker, we get forensic clients, who have been found "not guilty for reason of mental disorder." Offences range from theft and vandalism, all the way up to manslaughter and murder. However, out of all the different clients i've worked with, these ones seem to be the most motivated. Its really refreshing to see people improve, progress and get healthier, to the point where they can live on their own in the community.

The wait lists are so long for supportive housing however, its hard to see clients kneecapped like that when they've worked so hard towards their goals. The government has just announced that those receiving disability can now earn $500 instead of $400 on top of their disability benefits. So that should be of some help to them.

[jACEDesignsLtd]

Yeah, I heard about the increase, didn't know that it came through.

And I'm no longer at VGH, I'm at UBC hospital now. Long term care is where I'm at :)

[What_the?]

Updated and congrats to jope on getting added to the list :)

If anyone got accepted into any of the med, dent, nursing, pharm, etc programs... report in here and i'll add you in :)

[jope]

Surprised at all the health professionals here!

I finished my pharmacy degree this year too so I'd be interested in seeing who else jumped over from pharmacy.

[What_the?]

hey jope! what's your name? Maybe i know you!

you can pm me if you want :)

[KChen]

nursing student here! hopefully one day a med student =D

[What_the?]

^ cool... welcome aboard.. :)

I'm still surprised there are no dieticians on the board!

Stop hiding!

[IMASA]

Is everyone (HSA/HEU) getting their big signing bonus tomorrow?

[DragonboyLy]

Do pharm techs count? I fill your meds :P.

[KChen]

how bout them OTs??

[What_the?]

Sure pharm techs count, and KChen, what's an OT?

[TheStig]

Occupational Therapist, I believe

[What_the?]

^ Ah... good call... But I don't believe there's any on the board right now (KChen's a nursing student, not an OT) so i won't put that category up yet... When one pops up, post here, and we'll add OT's to the list...

[FeistyBearH22a]

< nursing student.

[What_the?]

^added

[optiblue]

Wow, so many health care professionals/ professionals to be on RS!!! I'm currently on standby for Optometry, but if that falls through, pretty much set deal for Medical Laboratory Sciences in Sept!

[Jermyzy]

You guys spelled my name wrong :( BTW, now you can officially keep my name on the list. PEBC results were just released and I am now officially a pharmacist :)

[TheStig]

Originally posted by Jermyzy
You guys spelled my name wrong :( BTW, now you can officially keep my name on the list. PEBC results were just released and I am now officially a pharmacist :)

Congrats! :)

[SiRV]

Originally posted by Jermyzy
You guys spelled my name wrong :( BTW, now you can officially keep my name on the list. PEBC results were just released and I am now officially a pharmacist :)

Good stuff!
onto med school with you too? :p

[Jewell]

I'm a lil different... I make the drugs you guys will hand out :) But it's still related.

I am currently employed as a Project Manager in Drug Development for a biotech company. Basically we have a compound that has demonstrated efficacy, now it's my job to push it through clinical trials and past the FDA and other regulatory agencies

Pretty cool job, I like it :) Don't know if it fits in your list, but it's close.

~Aimee~

[What_the?]

ok jewell, i've placed you into the category of Drug Development :) Let us know more about your work when the time is right and you're allowed to talk about it :) Hope to see your work on the market someday

and Jermyzy, heh i don't know why i keep thinking your name is spelt Jerymyz anyways, i've updated that... and congrats on passing the PEBC! where are you off to work now?

You know what i just realized? You know those threads where people post up odd medical problems, and then everyone tells them "what the hell are you doing on RS? Go see a doctor!"

Sooner or later, RS could actually become a decent source of medical info :)
woot

[jACEDesignsLtd]

Originally posted by What_the?
You know what i just realized? You know those threads where people post up odd medical problems, and then everyone tells them "what the hell are you doing on RS? Go see a doctor!"

Sooner or later, RS could actually become a decent source of medical info :)
woot

Be sure to also visit the newly opened 'Healthcare forum' too, guys/gals

RS opened up the 'Healthcare forum' (http://www.revscene.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=269) based upon the discovery of so many RS healthcare students from this thread... and seeing the need for it stirring up from the 'Sports & Recreation' forum.

Afterall, its better that RS members hear suggestions/opinions from students, potentially working in healthcare, rather than hearsay :)

RSW here :D

[SiRV]

by the looks of it at the moment, it looks like theres gonna be a new nurse on the board soon.. unless someone denies their pharmacy acceptnace ... which is pretty unlikely

[What_the?]

Yearly bump... People will start hearing back from pharmacy, med, dent, etc... post in here if you're accepted into something, or if something has changed and i'll add/update the list

[What_the?]

bump for our newest addition

SiR_vfung

[SiRV]

cool.. i'm the only one with three spots haha

[djromanj]

<- Nursing Student, maybe in the future a med student but we'll see how things go first...

[SiRV]

djromanj, I sent you a pm with some books that I can sell you for your nursing @ langara

[Macadamia]

<----- Medical Office Assistant
At Care Point Medical Centre

<-----Admitting Clerk & Health Records
At BC Cancer Agency

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

would executioners be part of the list?

well i'm not an executioner, but i was just wondering. they... deal with health issues... sort of.

[bob_chan]

<------ ABA therapist
<------Lab tech as well

[Canadian Rider]

there's no where on that list for pre-hospital care!

<-- Primary Care Paramedic IV

[sputskee]

Originally posted by Canadian Rider
there's no where on that list for pre-hospital care!

<-- Primary Care Paramedic IV

What's it like being a paramedic? I'm currently researching a career in the medical field and being a paramedic is one of my interests.

[troponin]

<----taking the Primary Care Paramedic program here too.

[XtC_13aBy]

<--- MOA at VGH

[SiRV]

which ward you work on meeka? I work @ VGH every saturday afternoon I'll drop by and say hi!

[What_the?]

alrighty updated with our paramedics and our new MOA :)

[XtC_13aBy]

Originally posted by SiR_vfung
which ward you work on meeka? I work @ VGH every saturday afternoon I'll drop by and say hi!

Aww my clinic is closed during weekends so I'm not there Saturdays! Too bad ...

but just to let you know I'm at the urology department/prostate centre!

[SiRV]

is that in the main building or the gordon leslie diamond building?

[vitzecho]

will be a RN by the end of this year

[XtC_13aBy]

gordon leslie!

I love the interior of that building.
Management is screwed up though in that clinic though..... very unorganized. won't get in to it further.

[What_the?]

updated list for vitzecho

welcome

[jACEDesignsLtd]

big time social work job slashing at VGH. I've taken the education leave.. going back for my Master's this September.

Back to schoolio. Freak.

[twitchyzero]

bump..I'm a first year dental hygiene student at UBC

[sputskee]

props to you folks! getting the education + career is hard work.

[What_the?]

updated for twitchyzero

Is the dental hygiene program new at UBC? Haven't heard of it before until now... We learn something new everyday :)

[twitchyzero]

^ it used to be partnership with colleges around the province so that students would actually learn their clincal skills outside UBC. Only hassle was that it was a random pick and you could be sent to Prince George. But they opened up a new option where you can stay at the campus for all 4 years. That's why you probably never heard of it, and the fact that it's a tiny program.

[raygunpk]

anybody hit up bcit for their careers?

[What_the?]

i know bcit offers a nursing program and med lab tech, but i'm not sure if anyone went there for their education...

[Meowjin]

Start Nursing at langara in january....

I really wish i applied for the september semester earlier. But january was all they had.

[What_the?]

Updated. Enjoy the program :)

[fille]

wow i didn't even know there was such a thread. good to know there are a few health care professionals out there.
some of the medical advice on the boards sometimes are questionable so it's relieving to know there are some experts in the field.

hey, so pharmacists, who works in the hospitals? i'm at SMH
and another other practices, anyone at good ol' surrey?

[SiRV]

wow i didn't even know there was such a thread. good to know there are a few health care professionals out there.
some of the medical advice on the boards sometimes are questionable so it's relieving to know there are some experts in the field.

hey, so pharmacists, who works in the hospitals? i'm at SMH
and another other practices, anyone at good ol' surrey?

Starting at Burnaby Hospital in May.. as a pharmacy student technician! Woot...

[604EL]

updated for twitchyzero

Is the dental hygiene program new at UBC? Haven't heard of it before until now... We learn something new everyday :)

The grad convo for pharmacy and dental hygiene are actually held together.

[What_the?]

eh? I thought our grad convo was with Dentistry...not dental hygiene? What the?

And fille, do you know a hospital pharmacist called Anya? I'm not sure if she works at SMH, but I know she's from surrey... it's a long shot

Edit: Fille - I'm not working for the hospitals, i'm working for Safeway come July...

[fille]

Hey What_the?
no the name Anya does not sound familiar so she probably works at another hospital. i'm still considered new so i have not yet had the chance to network through hospitals yet.

ahhh Safeway. i did my 4th year rotation there and it was great. but then all community pharmacies are basically the same.

hey, once drug reps start coming to visit you better RSVP me to all the drug dinners you get invited to! drug reps aren't allowed to come visit the hospital pharmacies :(

[604EL]

eh? I thought our grad convo was with Dentistry...not dental hygiene? What the?


Maybe my memory is failing me, but I thought pharmacy, DMD and dental hygiene all have their convo together?

[LanEvoMR]

pharm has grad convo with dentistry for sure, not sure about dent hygiene

[twitchyzero]

^dental hygiene is under the Faculty of Dentistry so it might be the case..

I guess I'll find out 3 years from now :P

[achiam]

me Rxer
i was also on the organ transplant team at VGH!

[Nvasion]

im a future kinesiologist, not a physiologist though. does that get to be on the list?
hahahaha,can i be the first kinesiologist?

[What_the?]

Yea sure you can be our first kinesiologist. The list is not meant to be restrictive, it's more for people's information, and just to keep track... that's all

btw, what's do kinesiologists do? i'm not very familiar with them..

Achiam - when you say Rxer, do you mean pharmacist?

[Nvasion]

^^im heading more towards the rehabilitation path right now.
but of course theres sports medicine, professional team trainer, physiotherapy, gym teacher. the list goes on as to job descriptions and environments.

basic way of putting it is a higher step of a personal fitness trainer since a lot of human kinetic courses require a lot of science when it comes to physiology, biomechanic etc...

aside from the sport type jobs, you can go in the nutritional path as well. theres a huge range of jobs and direction you can go in.

but i really only want to be a rehab kinesiologist for a few years before i go back to school for a occupational therapist degree.

[SiRV]

Hm, I don't know if it really counts because it doesn't seem like you are in the professional school yet =p

[What_the?]

well from what I gather he's a kinesiologist right now, but wanting to go back to school for OT. So i'd assume he falls under the title of a kinesiologist right now

[freelunch]

Pharm. 2009.

[What_the?]

^Added to the list...

hahaha chances are I might know you...

[fille]

hey i'm teaching CAPS III maybe i know both of you!

[What_the?]

You probably won't know me since i'd be in CAPS IV with no tutors...

but I still don't know your name fille?

you can pm me if that's better for you

[terkan]

Pharm. 2012

[SiRV]

nice congrats! welcome to the big pharm family

[What_the?]

hey my sister got into pharm this year too... you guys will be classmates... hahaha

[terkan]

What's her name?

[AppleSugary]

Start Nursing at langara in january....

I really wish i applied for the september semester earlier. But january was all they had.

I think you are going to enjoy it! so nursing for january 2009?

[Revive]

For those people in pharmacy, isn't there a difference between a pharmacist and a pharmacy tech?

[What_the?]

yep

Pharmacist = UBC Education (4 years + 1 year of undergrad)
-Responsibility and liability rest on their shoulders
-Responsible for final check of prescriptions before they're given to anyone
-Deals with drug related problems and assesses appropriate drug use in collaboration with other health care professionals... Can make recommendations and give advice to people


Pharmacy Technician = couple months program at a college, or no training sometimes
-Does technical functions within a pharmacy (i.e. counting)
-Cannot make recommendations or give advice
-Cannot take verbal prescriptions and discuss drug therapy with doctors

[IMASA]

So, I'm sure most of you guys working in healthcare in BC got that Email from your health authority CEO regarding consolidiation.

Any news?

I just transfered from the clinical lab to lab information systems. I might switch back to clinical if things start to look bad.