[lowside67]

My Guide to Importing a Vehicle from the US to Canada:

PART 1 - BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR VEHICLE

Step 1 - Check your vehicle can be imported!
This is the RIV eligibility list to determine which models can and cannot be imported:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/VAFUS.pdf
* IF YOUR VEHICLE IS 15 YEARS OLD OR OLDER, IT IS AUTOMATICALLY ELIGIBLE
* ANY VEHICLES NOT ORIGINALLY SOLD IN THE USA - IE JDM VEHICLES - ARE NOT ELIGIBLE

Step 2 - Determine if Your Vehicle Has an Excise Tax <-- NEW
The BC Government has now determined that if your vehicle is inefficient on fuel, you will be required to pay an extra excise tax.
* ONLY REQUIRED ON VEHICLES THAT WENT INTO SERVICE MARCH 20, 2007 OR LATER (PRIMARILY 2008+ MODEL YEAR VEHICLES).
The official ratings for 2009 model year vehicles is here: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/et/etsl64/list/lst_vh-2009-eng.pdf

Step 3 - Purchase Your Car
Regardless of what the seller says, you do NOT pay tax to whatever state it was purchased in since you are not a resident of that state. (I have been advised that some people have had states require you to pay tax. I have bought vehicles from 39 states now and never been required to pay tax, but inquire at the DMV or tax office for the specific state you are buying a vehicle in.) Make sure you have:
1) A title for your vehicle, fully signed over to you
2) A bill of sale for your vehicle, must clearly indicate VIN #, purchase price (and currency), kms, the seller's personal information, and the buyer's (your) personal information.
* MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THAT THE TITLE'S VIN # MATCHES THE VEHICLE AND THAT THE SELLER'S ID MATCHES THE ID ON THE TITLE UNDER "OWNER"

Step 4 - US Export Documentations
You must contact Blaine US vehicle export office (assuming this is where you are bringing the vehicle across - Pacific Truck Crossing) and obtain a Vehicle Export Worksheet. You can phone them at 360-332-2632 and leave a message to receive it by fax or email them at cbp.blaine-export@dhs.gov and they will email it back to you. Fill out this form, along with a copy of the title (front and rear) and a copy of the bill of sale and either fax or email it back to them.
* THIS MUST BE COMPLETED 3 BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE THE VEHICLE CROSSES THE BORDER (NO EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE!)

PART 2 - BEFORE YOU CROSS, THE DAY OF

Step 1 - Insurance
You must have a way of legally driving your vehicle on the US and Canadian sides of the border. You can have your local Autoplan agent and have them issue you temporary insurance (called an insurance binder). Not all agents are aware this exists as it is not commonly used so if you have any problems asking for an insurance binder (which does exist, I promise!), just call another agent. To use this binder, you must also have the US plates on the vehicle, and they must be valid. If they are not, you will need to obtain a "trip permit" - this comes from the DMV from wherever you are buying the vehicle.

Step 2 - Prepare Your Documents
For your day at the border you will need:
1) ORIGINAL title
2) ORIGINAL bill of sale
3) COPY of title (front and back)
4) COPY of bill of sale
5) Proof of insurance (may or may not be asked for, but make sure you have it just in case!)
6) Money. You may need a lot, or a little bit - you will need to be able to pay (they accept interac, credit card to a maximum of $500 on each card, and cash):
$100 A/C Excise Tax (if your vehicle has a/c)
$1000-$4000 Fuel Excise Tax (if your vehicle is subject to it)
6.1% Duty (if your vehicle has not been produced in North America)
5% GST

PART 3 - CROSS THE BORDER WITH YOUR VEHICLE

Step 1 - US Customs to EXPORT
Drive your vehicle from wherever it is in the US to the Blaine border crossing (make sure to go to the commercial crossing. Park your vehicle at the examination pullout (pretend you are driving across normally, you will see a small pullout on the left side right next to the window booths to enter the US). Bring your keys and paperwork inside and find the "VEHICLE EXPORT OFFICE." Give them your title and keys and they will confirm they have received and processed the paperwork you have sent them 72 hours ago. They may or may not inspect your vehicle, but the final result will be a "VEHICLE EXPORTED" stamp that goes right on your original title.
*YOU MUST ARRIVE BY 3:30PM ON MON-FRI OR THEY WILL NOT EXPORT YOUR VEHICLE!

Step 2 - Canadian Customs to IMPORT
Head over to the Canadian border. They will send you inside after you declare you are importing a vehicle and show you where to go inside.

Step 2A - Form 1
Ask the agent inside at the counter for a FORM 1. Go ahead and fill it out, asking the agent for help if you have any questions. Ensure you check "Credit Card" at the bottom and fill your credit card in to process the RIV payment.
*IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE YOUR VEHICLE WAS PRODUCED!

Step 2B - Assemble and Hand In
Make sure to sign and date both copies of the B3 that print and stick the barcode to it. Also fill this barcode in on your Form 1.

Step 2C - Wait
It may take 5 minutes, it has taken me as long as 6 hours one day. Luck of the draw and by how many people are there ahead of you. They will call you to the cashier by name when you are finished.

Step 2D - Pay
With whatever combination of Interac, Credit Cards, and Cash - pay your bill. Make sure you leave with:
1) Original Title
2) Original Bill of Sale
3) Form 1 (yellow and white sheets) *MARKED PAID

Step 2E - Leave
Thank god this day is over!

PART 4 - AFTER THE BORDER

Step 1 - Out of Province (Provincial) Inspection
An "OUT OF PROVINCE" (Provincial) inspection is required. There are many shops in the lower mainland that are licensed to perform this (it should be approximately $75).

Step 2 - Compliance
Before your vehicle is federally inspected, you will need to make sure your vehicle has:
1) Daytime Running Lights
2) Speedometer labels in KMS (doesnt have to be the main display, an analog or digital readout is fine).
3) All lights (airbag, check engine, etc.) function properly and are out.
4) No open recalls (you will need written documenation of this)
NOTE: YOU MUST SCAN/EMAIL YOUR RECALL LETTER (ALONG WITH YOUR CASE # FOUND AT THE TOP OF YOUR FORM1) TO RECALL@RIV.CA BEFORE THEY WILL RELEASE YOUR FORM 2.
IF YOU CANT SCAN IT, CALL THEM AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU A FAX # BUT THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED - THEY OFTEN LOSE THESE FAXES.

Step 3 - Federal Inspection
By now you should have received in the mail your FORM 2 from the RIV. If not, give them a call at 1-888-848-8240 and ask them of the status of your case (your case # is printed on your form 1 and is a 6 digit number currently starting with H (H123456). Take this form, along with the white and yellow copies of your FORM 1, and recall documentation to any designated inspection centre (almost any canadian tire is one) and ask them to perform a federal inspection. This inspection is included in the RIV fee ($204.75 including GST as of the latest edit). They should stamp your documents and give you copies of the form 2 and recall letter and your original white and yellow copies of the form 1 back.

Step 4 - Register Your Car
Head over to your ICBC agent and bring with you:
1) WHITE copy of Form 1 (stamped by border & Canadian Tire)
2) ORIGINAL title
3) BLUE copy of provincial inspection

You're done! Your insurance agent will collect PST from you based on the amount you paid for the vehicle. With these 3 documents, the agent should be able to register your vehicle into the province and then add insurance and license plates should you chose.

Step 5 - Keep for your records
1) YELLOW form 1 copy
2) STAMPED form 2 copy
3) YELLOW provincial inspection copy
4) ORIGINAL bill of sale

Amended March 20, 2010

[dah_hunter]

It is important to Note that if your vehicle is older then 15 years you dont need to do the federal inspection.

Also I have never had to make the Speedo read in Kms.. and never even heard of this.. (I could be just lucky)

Very good information though..

A+ to the author..
I have been thinking about writing one up.. but this saves me the trouble..

[lowside67]

Originally posted by dah_hunter
It is important to Note that if your vehicle is older then 15 years you dont need to do the federal inspection.

Also I have never had to make the Speedo read in Kms.. and never even heard of this.. (I could be just lucky)

Very good information though..

A+ to the author..
I have been thinking about writing one up.. but this saves me the trouble.. Good point re: 15 yrs old.

As for the speedo in kms, it's definately the case. Kms dont have to be the biggest, or it can be digital, etc. but it needs to be somewhere. Vehicle like Mercedes where they show ONLY mph will need to be changed.

[Rikter]

sticked. so edited.
-Rik

[lowside67]

Originally posted by Rikter
http://www.revscene.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=461568

WOw good job on making a thread to which there is already a sticky thread with over 1000 views.
-Rik Actually, if you read that sticky, you'll see *I* wrote it.

They will be deleting that thread and stickying this one so that way I can update it.

But thanks for coming out, it really makes me feel appreciated for spending all this time to write it, and then answer PMs all day long about individual questions. :mad:

[BATDELSOL2]

Thnx lowside,the way I see it its just too much of a hassle to deal with unless you're after a car that absolutely hard to find here in good condition.

With all these taxes and fees you might be able to save a grand or two but think about the time you have to put into it.

But I guess once you do it and go through the headache once then the next time itll be easier for you the next time around.

[lowside67]

Originally posted by BATDELSOL2
Thnx lowside,the way I see it its just too much of a hassle to deal with unless you're after a car that absolutely hard to find here in good condition.

With all these taxes and fees you might be able to save a grand or two but think about the time you have to put into it.

But I guess once you do it and go through the headache once then the next time itll be easier for you the next time around. Agreed. One of the reasons I posted this is as a dealership who imports BMWs, Porsches, Audis, etc. from California, we often get people who go on Ebay and just multiply that price by the exchange rate and assume they're done - it's simply not the case. It usually works out that the more expensive the car, the better the savings.

[popnGEAR]

Yeah on a used car you'll save a few thousand (and imo, you really don't spend THAT much time) but if you picked up a new car the savings are ridiculous.

[TheSmokeShow]

What if the "seller" of the car is already in BC with it? cruise down to the border. just get the export docs 3 days in advance or what?

[lowside67]

At the US border they make it quite clear, during the 72 hour waiting period the car MUST remain in the US.

[lowside67]

Sent by PM
what about bringing in modified cars? would it be more difficult?

i was thinking of bringing in a toyota supra but he has some mods on it..
its a 1994, would i need to aircare it when i register it in BC?
Two parts to this question...

Regarding modified vehicles:
As long as the vehicle is still the same general vehicle (ie has the proper VIN # and isnt some absolutely crazy kit car) you will have no problems at the border. However, you have to pass the BC Provincial Inspection (this is the exact same inspection as you have to pass when you are given a VI). You should contact a shop that is licensed to perform this inspection to ask them specific questions about motor swaps, etc. Generally suspension, body kits, etc. are OK, but lights, exhaust, etc. are often points of contention. In terms of interior, pretty much anything goes as long as you still have seats.

Regarding aircare:
Any vehicle brought in from the US can be registered once without aircare (so essentially you have 1 year's worth of insurance before you have to renew). Then the rules are the same as locally. All vehicles 2001 or newer are exempt from aircare currently. Since your vehicle is a 94, it will need to be aircared. More info at http://www.aircare.ca

[OverRev]

wat if one is buying a US vehicle from a private seller, how can u get orig. title & orig. bill of sale? can i just get a transfer form from an insurance company and fill it up like we do here in BC?? and for the bill of sale, i wonder do i needa fill up any special form if the car is sold under market value, like we do here in BC, and at last how can u do a lien check on US vehicle??

[pankrationisfun]

what about motorcycles? and does anyone know if you can bring a motorcycle across the border inside a van?

[lowside67]

Sure but you are going to go through the same process - going inside, form 1, duty, etc.

[zumvette]

Originally posted by lowside67
Actually, if you read that sticky, you'll see *I* wrote it.

They will be deleting that thread and stickying this one so that way I can update it.

But thanks for coming out, it really makes me feel appreciated for spending all this time to write it, and then answer PMs all day long about individual questions. :mad:

Thanx for all the info, this has helped me narrow down a car now.

[lowside67]

Originally posted by OverRev
wat if one is buying a US vehicle from a private seller, how can u get orig. title & orig. bill of sale? can i just get a transfer form from an insurance company and fill it up like we do here in BC?? and for the bill of sale, i wonder do i needa fill up any special form if the car is sold under market value, like we do here in BC, and at last how can u do a lien check on US vehicle?? Oops sorry, I didnt see this question here.

1) The seller even if they're private must have the original title as that is the only document that proves that they own the vehicle. Most states do not have a transfer form - the back of the title has a spot where the previous owner can sign the title which effectively says they are releasing ownership to whoever has the title. Bill of sale is not a standard document, just type something up make sure it has the VIN, your name and address, their name and address, make/model/year, kms, and the price (and the currency ie $USD).

2) If they have a clean and clear title in their name in their possession, that is in itself proof there are no liens. In the US, if you owe money on a car, the person who you owe money to holds the title in their name until you make the last payment in which case they will transfer the title to them. So to recap, if they have the title in their name in their possession, the vehicle is clear of liens.

[[RSX-S]]

Great info...

Any updates?

[lowside67]

My last post was 3 days ago...

Do you have a specific question?

[[RSX-S]]

Woops, sorry. I didn't see that. It says amended 2007, so I assume it hasn't been updated for a while.

Thanks for the info.

[ridin18s01]

EXCISE TAX?? just another way for the government to get their hands in our pockets! bull$h*t

[prophit]

What is the best way to pay for the vehicle? Isn't there a law against bringing over $10K down or something? Or is that just for cash... could you bring a bank draft of the full cost??

[lowside67]

Technically the rule says you must declare whenever you cross the border with more than $10k in currency. Technically that means bank draft, cash, etc. and they will make you fill out some forms designed to combat money laundering, etc. The best way to buy a vehicle is probably with a bank draft and you can keep that in your wallet and either tell or not tell them depending on your mood. Keep in mind they may want you to verify that draft before you take their car away.

[acetrix]

great info. Do you need to have the title transfered into your own name before bringing over the car or do you just need the title with the sellers signature on the back?

[lowside67]

You just need it signed off.

[SG1]

not sure if this question is appropriate here.
Will vehicle manufacturers honor the warranty once it crossed the border? or do people need to take their car back to the US to have it serviced? Thanx

[lowside67]

Depends on the manufacturer.

Most will honour the warranty.

Currently Honda/Acura will not, and anything Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge they will not.

[nvloc]

ive been told that if your a dual citizen you do not have to pay a bunch of the taxes..
truth or just rumours?

[lowside67]

Not true.

[power_civic]

The X5 cost over 90K before tax here at BMW Dealer. But in the US, it's only cost 70K. So can i purchase a brand new car in US BWW dealer and export it to Canada?

[gti303]

lowside, thanks for all the info...this helps much more than the RIV site. Anyways, one question. Lets say I meet a guy in the US to buy the car, bring the car to a shipper, and have them ship it and I pick it back up in WA...do I need to 'register' or do anything at his local state DMV? or can I just get him to drive the car to the shipping yard before he takes his plates off and sign over the car? ie can I just bring the car straight to the shipper and sign over the car in the lot. (that way I don't need insurance or whatever to drive it to the yard)

[serega32]

I've got similar question, what if the guy who selling the car still owes money to the bank,and the bank has the title on that car and will release it one month after he'll pay it off with the money he'll get for the car. Can he drive it over the border and sell it to me here(thru notary or some thing like that)
Thank you!

[lowside67]

Originally posted by gti303
lowside, thanks for all the info...this helps much more than the RIV site. Anyways, one question. Lets say I meet a guy in the US to buy the car, bring the car to a shipper, and have them ship it and I pick it back up in WA...do I need to 'register' or do anything at his local state DMV? or can I just get him to drive the car to the shipping yard before he takes his plates off and sign over the car? ie can I just bring the car straight to the shipper and sign over the car in the lot. (that way I don't need insurance or whatever to drive it to the yard)

No, they just sign the title over to you on the back of it.

Originally posted by serega32
I've got similar question, what if the guy who selling the car still owes money to the bank,and the bank has the title on that car and will release it one month after he'll pay it off with the money he'll get for the car. Can he drive it over the border and sell it to me here(thru notary or some thing like that)
Thank you!

No. The safest way of doing it is rather than paying the seller, directly pay the bank who holds the title. But there are no guarantees when there is no physical title in front of you. The seller cant do anything in Canada.

[gti303]

Hey Lowside,

The vehicle I'm buying...the finance company holds the title...and they said after they get the money they will release the title, but the title is a electronic copy since the car was financed from them when new, so they will send it to the DMV and DMV will print me a new title and mail it directly to me...(this info was all from nissan finance USA). Does that sound right? does that mean I can't cross the border with the car for like 3 weeks?

edit: Just asked RIV, they said I can either have a title, or a MCO (Manufacturers Certificate of Origin), but I've never heard of that...hmm...where to get this?

[fliptuner]

re: Exise Tax based on fuel consumption


Does anyone know if there are any exemptions? ie. classic, over 15 years, etc...?

Thanks

[lowside67]

Originally posted by fliptuner
re: Exise Tax based on fuel consumption


Does anyone know if there are any exemptions? ie. classic, over 15 years, etc...?

Thanks This only applies to models with model year 2007 or newer.

[allme]

soo its only to 2007 and newer models?? like a 2002 is ok I dont have to pay this new tax???

[lowside67]

Exactly.

[serega32]

Originally posted by lowside67
No, they just sign the title over to you on the back of it.



No. The safest way of doing it is rather than paying the seller, directly pay the bank who holds the title. But there are no guarantees when there is no physical title in front of you. The seller cant do anything in Canada.
Thanks a lot fr answering! Another one for you: How to check a car in states for linens and accident history? And what should I do if I want to trade my car in or sell it over there ?
Serguei.

[lowside67]

Originally posted by serega32 Thanks a lot fr answering! Another one for you: How to check a car in states for linens and accident history? And what should I do if I want to trade my car in or sell it over there ?
Serguei.
Originally posted by lowside67
2) If they have a clean and clear title in their name in their possession, that is in itself proof there are no liens. In the US, if you owe money on a car, the person who you owe money to holds the title in their name until you make the last payment in which case they will transfer the title to them. So to recap, if they have the title in their name in their possession, the vehicle is clear of liens. Please read the entire thread before asking questions.

There is no central database to check about accidents. Carfax is a good start, a good bodyshop is a better guide.

The short answer about trading your car is you cant - you'd have to import your car into the US which with the current US dollar is pretty much silly.

[fliptuner]

Thanks again for the info. Process went exactly as you posted and was a lot easier than it seemed when initially read.

I might be buying a motorcycle down there (strictly for parts). Do I need to go through the process even if I don't plan on reg'ing it?

Thanks

[lowside67]

If you're going to do it for parts, you can bring it in as parts. The process will be a little different than normal, I'm not 100% sure what the differences are. You wont be doing a form 1 or any of that stuff.

[Dr Pooface]

Is there a place near the border where one can leave a car for the 3-4 day wait between purchasing the car and crossing the border? I'm looking at a car south of Seattle and don't want to drive all the way there twice....

[lowside67]

There are a few places such as the gas station just across the truck border that will let you leave it with them for a couple bucks a day.

[fliptuner]

There's a storage place 10 minutes from the border that charges $6/day

[r-0-b]

Part 1, Step 4 can be completed via email as well.
cbp.blaine-export@dhs.gov

emailed them requesting the forms.
i scanned & emailed back the required documents, received a response within hrs notifying me that the papers have been received & when i may cross the border with my vehicle.
i called the number provided, but they didnt respond to the vmsg's i left.

on another note, anyone purchase a honda and try to request a recall clearance letter? i dont know if it was just the snooty b!tch that i got, but she was trying to make a statement to me about needing to have a US drivers license, US registration, US insurance, (imagine her saying U. S. really loudly & slowly)
citing that Honda US & Canada have an agreement not to compete with each other.

fuck them, i purchased this vehicle legitimately, and i want a letter stating that theres nothing that requires a recall. can they deny me my letter?

[S5T]

it should also be noted that getting binder insurance while you are in the U.S. is a PIA, or cannot be done.

in order to get binder insurance you must have the VIN# of the car you are buying.... but what are you supposed to do, if you do not know the VIN# of the exact car? what if you are driving or flying down to the U.S. somewhere and will be looking at a few different cars, and deciding while you are down there which car you want to buy?

i tried phoning from seattle, with the VIN# of the car i bought, to ICBC to get binder insurance over the phone, or through faxing documents... IT DID NOT HAPPEN. you have to be present in an Autoplan agent to get the binder insurance...

so i kept asking my self 'how can they expect you to be two places at once?'

or is this just another way to make it a P.I.A. to import a car?

luckily, the car i bought was only in Seattle. So the guy i bought it from was kind enough to let me keep it at his house, after i had bought it so i could drive back up to BC and get binder insurance and come down a few days later to drive the car to the Border to have it parked for 3 days.

[gti303]

Originally posted by fliptuner
There's a storage place 10 minutes from the border that charges $6/day

Anyone have any contact info for any of these storage places?

[pingu81]

The RIV website says:

All vehicles (except buses) that are over 15 years or older by the date of manufacture are exempt from the Registrar of Imported Vehicles program. You must be able to prove the age of the vehicle to a Customs officer.

What specifically does this mean? Which steps in the first post of this thread can be considered skipped assuming that the car is 15 years or older?

[lowside67]

All the US side is the same, everything regarding the title, bill of sale, etc is the same. The difference is you are not required to pay the $209 to the RIV, not required to do a federal inspection (ie you dont need DRL).

[Dr Pooface]

Originally posted by gti303
Anyone have any contact info for any of these storage places?

A to Z Self Storage 360-332-8016
C&G Sales & Rentals 360-354-2444
Pantec Storage 360-332-6111
Yorky's Gas Station 360-332-4341

[gti303]

have you ever purchased a 3 day trip permit to drive the car around in WA? Cause I need to drive the car back from Lakewood WA on tuesday...just wonderin...I don't have the title in hand yet...its still in the mail. Gonna park her in blaine until I get the paperwork done.

[lowside67]

They are not numbered. You can photocopy it.

[fliptuner]

found a few online...

any one in particular I should use?

http://abouttime.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/blaine-export-worksheet.pdf
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/export/export_docs/vehicle_exports/veh_equip_export_wks.ctt/veh_equip_export_wks.doc
http://www.moverscanada.com/vehicle_export.html

[shwangsta]

Lowside67 much props and thanks for the all info. They should pay you at riv for doing something the govt couldnt make clear.

Can you help me answer some questions? I'm thinking of importing a 2007 Infiniti M35, the savings for the car is incredible.

In Part 2, Step 2:

1) What is the 6.1% duty and 6% GST charged based on? I'm assuming that's it's based on the amount the paperwork states you bought the vehicle for.

2) If it is based on the paperwork, technically could i have the seller mark the car lower and pay him the rest on the side? Therefore pay duty and tax on a paperwork that claims I bought a 07 Infiniti for "$20,000"?

3) to apply the duties and taxes, Is it converted to CDN from USD first depending on the rate that day?


Many thanks in advance again!

[Dr Pooface]

Both my autoplan agent and ICBC customer service have told me an insurance binder is not enough to legally drive a car accross the border. I also need to buy a Transit Permit from Washington to license the car itself. ICBC told me they would impound the vehicle at the border if I did not have this Transit Permit. Perhaps the first post in this thread should be modified before someone gets themselves in some hot water...

Talked to Washington State Licensing: 360-902-3600

The "transit permit" is good for one day. You can buy a "trip permit" that's good for three days for ~$30.

Cost Cutter Licensing is just across the Baine border crossing 360-332-7089.

[gti303]

I bought a trip permit, and on it it only said 'No vehicle shall be driven on a WA highway without displaying a valid permit'. Or some variant of this...so I think we can drive around the small roads? :)

The insurance binder did not include the temp permit though to stick on the back of the car...I think this should be ok?

[PhamJam]

What about this situation:

My brother (temporarily) works in the states...he has a US Driver's Licence and bought a new SUV and has been driving it for the past 4 years.

When he moves back, can he bring it here and sell it here?

[lowside67]

Originally posted by Dr Pooface Both my autoplan agent and ICBC customer service have told me an insurance binder is not enough to legally drive a car accross the border. I also need to buy a Transit Permit from Washington to license the car itself. ICBC told me they would impound the vehicle at the border if I did not have this Transit Permit. Perhaps the first post in this thread should be modified before someone gets themselves in some hot water...

Talked to Washington State Licensing: 360-902-3600

The "transit permit" is good for one day. You can buy a "trip permit" that's good for three days for ~$30.

Cost Cutter Licensing is just across the Baine border crossing 360-332-7089. Actually, if the vehicle you are buying has valid plates (tags) on it, then you do NOT need a permit, you just need the binder. It is only if the vehicle does not have valid tags that you will need the permit.

[lowside67]

Originally posted by PhamJam
What about this situation:

My brother (temporarily) works in the states...he has a US Driver's Licence and bought a new SUV and has been driving it for the past 4 years.

When he moves back, can he bring it here and sell it here? He can bring it back but he has to go through the same process as everybody else.

[PhamJam]

Originally posted by lowside67
He can bring it back but he has to go through the same process as everybody else.

Paying duty/taxes as well though?

[lowside67]

Duty for sure. There is a possibility that he can get around taxation under what are called "settler's effects" but I dont know either way. Talk to a broker.

[PhamJam]

Originally posted by lowside67
Duty for sure. There is a possibility that he can get around taxation under what are called "settler's effects" but I dont know either way. Talk to a broker.

OK Thanks LowSide!

[ScaryFast]

Hello everyone!

I just completed the import of a 2003 Lexus IS 300. It was a private sale, seller in Tacoma. While the info from Lowside is excellent and appears to be complete and accurate, I'll add a few tips from my experience.

IGNORE THE NUMBERING SYSTEM. I tried to organize it and gave up. My mind is all over the place.

1) The duty is based on the purchase price of the car. The border wanted a copy of the cheque which I didn't have, but I did have the bill of sale (just a purchase agreement signed by both parties) and I had a printup of the ad which was fine. If Canada Border Services is skeptical about your price, they'll charge you what THEY think the car is worth, so backup your claim.

1b) Duty is not paid on North American made vehicles (or MOSTLY NA made). If your VIN starts with a 1,2 or 4 (I think) you shouldn't have to pay duty. My lexus VIN starts with a J (Japan) and I paid.

2) Calling Lexus for the Recall Clearance letter was brilliant. They were helpful and friendly and it was faxed to me the next day with hardcopy in my mailbox in 72 hours. Don't bother emailing (I got no response), call the 1-800 number and say hello.

3) I bought a travel binder to bring the car up. It lasted 10 days and cost 60 bucks with extended coverage and comprehensive.

3b) I spoke to insurance agencies in washington... No washington insurance was required. The seller left his plates ('tabs') on the car, which is what you need plus your insurance binder to get the car to BC.

4) Bring copies of everything! Bill of sale, ad (if applicable), cheque, email from US customs stating that the car can be exported, etc. The guy at the US border said the car wasn't ready despite the email they sent stating it was. I didn't have a copy but I pushed and he released it.

6) Your insurance binder is only for point A to point B, once the car is in BC it should go straight to your home, you need temporary insurance for getting the inspection done.

7) Form 2 gets sent to you by RIV once you've entered the country and paid the import fee (despite info on some websites, I didn't pay this fee at the border). If you request it at time of payment, you can get form 2 faxed or emailed to you instead of snail-mail, saving lots of time. I was registered and driving happily (and legally) friday in a car that was imported on tuesday!

Those are all the tips I can think of at the moment.

Even though I had to pay duty and GST (no GST on private sales in Canada), the GST/PST was on a lower purchase price than if I bought it here, and I'd have paid PST anyways. Even the cost of driving 2 cars to Tacoma (twice) to buy and take home the car, licensing and finally inspections, I still saved myself about $4,000 on a used vehicle. I considered it worth the work, which isn't work if you can follow directions.

Most importantly, I got to extend my options to really find the car I wanted since these aren't exactly abundant...

Good luck!

Brandon

[porsche911fan]

meyowa wangowa

[cunninglinguist]

Thanks for this awesome writeup.

If my vehicle is older than 15 years, than do I still need a recall letter?

[RiceIntegraRS]

Originally posted by lowside67
Actually, if the vehicle you are buying has valid plates (tags) on it, then you do NOT need a permit, you just need the binder. It is only if the vehicle does not have valid tags that you will need the permit.

wat exactly is valid plates?? any lisence plates?? US plates?? US plates with insurance on them??

[weiweiwei]

are there any dealers/brokers who can do the whole process for a fee? like getting a NEW car, doing all the paper work, and bringing it straight to the door.

[jep]

I am looking to import a Porsche from California and I have three questions:

1).Is GST on an importing a car higher than usual or is the 6% GST noted on the first post the old rate?

2).Can all the dealerships of the particular car I'm buying provide the recall letter?

3).Anyone know how much dealerships charge for this recall letter or is it free?

[lowside67]

1) It's now 5%.

2) They can write the letter but there's no guarantee it will work if it doesnt come from PCNA (head office). PCNA will not write you a letter, so if RIV declines your letter you're hooped and the car cant be registered.

3) Depends on the dealership, if I were buying one, I'd be expecting them to write it for free.

[locoslancer]

Originally posted by pingu81
The RIV website says:

All vehicles (except buses) that are over 15 years or older by the date of manufacture are exempt from the Registrar of Imported Vehicles program. You must be able to prove the age of the vehicle to a Customs officer.

What specifically does this mean? Which steps in the first post of this thread can be considered skipped assuming that the car is 15 years or older?

Originally posted by lowside67
All the US side is the same, everything regarding the title, bill of sale, etc is the same. The difference is you are not required to pay the $209 to the RIV, not required to do a federal inspection (ie you dont need DRL).

hey lowside
so cars over 15yrs of age are exempt of the gas consumption tax?
federal inspection?

im lookin into a 67 Lincoln. private sale, and has good tabs.
what steps can i skip???

[BALL3R]

DOES ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT THE Excise Tax ON A 99 ECLIPSE SPYDER ? i WANNA GET ONE FROM THE STATES BUT DONT KNOW TO MUCH ABOUT THE IMPORTING STUFF.
P.M. ME WITH THE ANSWER
THANKS

[EcLiPsEbOi]

if you read the whole thread, i believe you'll see that only 2007+ vehicles are subject to excise tax.

[10051981]

i dont think this has been covered yet, however if anyone can offer their knowledge, it would be great.

Assuming you buy a brand new car from a dealership, the dealership there will not finance you right? So does this mean the only option is to buy it out right?

I guess it is possible for a bank to give you a loan to buy a car, but im not sure how likely and more complicated then it becomes?

Thanks

[TouringTeg]

Excellent write up. I will be printing it off and take it with me to go through the process.

Perhaps the original post could be updated to show that the Excise tax is for 2007+ vehicles only, and GST is now 5%.

[Hot Sauce]

umm, the car that I am bringing over doesnt have a place for the front licence plate, can I get it across the border and to the point where things like daytime running lights and such need to be dealt with prior to the federal inspection?

[cunninglinguist]

^Both my autoplan agent and ICBC customer service have told me an insurance binder is not enough to legally drive a car accross the border. I also need to buy a Transit Permit from Washington to license the car itself. ICBC told me they would impound the vehicle at the border if I did not have this Transit Permit. Perhaps the first post in this thread should be modified before someone gets themselves in some hot water...

Talked to Washington State Licensing: 360-902-3600

The "transit permit" is good for one day. You can buy a "trip permit" that's good for three days for ~$30.

Cost Cutter Licensing is just across the Baine border crossing 360-332-7089.

I just came back last week without front plates. I just had a trip permit from Washington and binder insurance from ICBC.

[DC5R]

Does anyone know if I still need to pay a/c tax for a 15 year and older car?

Also, do those storage places need to be notified ahead of time?

[cunninglinguist]

Does anyone know if I still need to pay a/c tax for a 15 year and older car?

Also, do those storage places need to be notified ahead of time?

You need to pay the ac tax whether it is working or not.

I did not need to notify the storage place.

[JDMes]

what about bringing in RHD cars? someone is interested and lives close so how does that work?

[lifeonacloud]

Does anyone know if you can still bring lifted trucks across the border? I've gotten mixed info from alot of different sources. Some say you can bring them over but Inpsection shops will not pass lifted trucks, and some people say you can't bring a modified truck over the border at all. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[lowside67]

Does anyone know if you can still bring lifted trucks across the border? I've gotten mixed info from alot of different sources. Some say you can bring them over but Inpsection shops will not pass lifted trucks, and some people say you can't bring a modified truck over the border at all. Any help is greatly appreciated.
As I have said before, the agents at the border have no say as to whether your vehicle can come across the border or not as long as it is listed as an eligible vehicle on the RIV's list. However, to license your vehicle it will have to pass a BC Out of Province inspection. You need to verify with any shop that can perform this inspection what modifications are acceptable.

Also, to go through a federal inspection which is also required, things like aftermarket steering wheels that affect a factory airbag may be an issue.

[machine]

wat exactly is valid plates?? any lisence plates?? US plates?? US plates with insurance on them??

Anyone know the answer to this question. I need to know ASAP too. :thumbsup:

The word tags is used too, whats that?

[akelly907]

Love this info very very very useful. One question, do you know anything about importing into mexico. i have a friend who would like to import an old land rover defender into mexico. Other question would be about the importing into canada, if you are a dual citizen is there any red tape that you wouldnt have to go through when importing? or is it all basicly the same? if anyone can answer these greatly appreciated. Thanks

[Bproof21]

hey.. um.. the link to the pdf is no longer valid... this is what I got from the RIC site

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list/vafus.pdf

[srv777]

This is great information!

I do have 1 question that has not been answered in this thread. Are there any further steps required if the car being imported has a salvage title?

Thanks in advance!

[kent stacey]

amazing info ... im curious if there is a fuel excise tax if i were to bring a vehicle across the borderin north dakota to sask and then have it inspected and insured in sask ?

[hondalsvtec]

Question looked on eligible list all hondas are of course there, so what about bringing in a rhd newer civic type r etc... Cause technically the 96 civic is on the list... but its rhd..

[d_DC5]

this is list is only for US cars into canada.

[hondalsvtec]

So you cant bring US registered JDM cars unless they are 15 years old?

[d_DC5]

ohh.. i'm not sure about that.
could be a loop hole in that.

[CDN Guy]

lowside67

Thank you for putting this guide together. I have found it very useful. I know you spent a lot of time on this so I was trying to not bug you with additional questions.

I am wanting to buy a 2003 toyota from a toyota dealer in San Francisco. I am planning to fly down and pick it up. He is claiming that because I am picking it up and not having it shipped I have to pay California state tax. You and others have said that is not the case. Is there a tax exemption form or something I can point them to.

Thanks

[007WRX]

Bump, I'd like to know the same answer to the post above me. Thanks.

[lowside67]

lowside67

Thank you for putting this guide together. I have found it very useful. I know you spent a lot of time on this so I was trying to not bug you with additional questions.

I am wanting to buy a 2003 toyota from a toyota dealer in San Francisco. I am planning to fly down and pick it up. He is claiming that because I am picking it up and not having it shipped I have to pay California state tax. You and others have said that is not the case. Is there a tax exemption form or something I can point them to.

Thanks

I dont know about a specific form, however, in my experience, the fact that I am buying with an out of state address, driver's license, and most importantly, am not titling the vehicle in CA, has been enough to not pay tax. I am confident that they are not required to charge sales tax to out of state buyers, however, I dont have a link to a specific piece of legislation, etc. You will just need to convince them.

[lowside67]

Question looked on eligible list all hondas are of course there, so what about bringing in a rhd newer civic type r etc... Cause technically the 96 civic is on the list... but its rhd..
The RIV is very 100% clear that in the case of vehicles <15 years old, only vehicles originally sold in the United States and on the list of eligible vehicles are allowed to be imported without exception.

[007WRX]

Does someone have directions to the border crossing in Blaine, not the Peace arch, but the vehicle import area.

Thanks

[007WRX]

Disregard that last post.

Another question. The car I bought had it's tags expire (from California) in October and right now it has "storage" registration on it.

1. My question is, can I get the insurance binder from icbc as is with the cali plate like this?

2. If not, do I need to get an insurance binder for the california plate as well as a trip permit from California DMV?

3. Do I have eat up the full year registration costs?

And if I do have to go and get the trip permit, aren't that going to try to make me pay california state tax?

I'm going this saturday, so the sooner the answer, the better.

[lowside67]

A question, by PM:

Regarding the Inefficient Vehicle Fuel Excise Tax (Green Levy):

You state that this tax is primarily for 2008 model vehicles, that doesnt seem to be the case, i have called trend/lp auto and on a 2006 trailblazer ss they are telling me that i have to pay a excise tax of $3000 from what i understand from you is i shouldnt since the car is a 2006, any way you can clarify this for me?

Answer:

That is completely, and blatantly 100% false.

From the RIV:

Excise tax (Green Levy) on fuel inefficient cars

This tax is applicable to vehicles purchased in Canada or imported from the United States and is applied to a passenger vehicle if it:
is a car, SUV or van with a weighted average fuel consumption of 13 litres per 100 km or higher, and was put into service after March 19, 2007.
Vehicles are taxed, based on weighted average fuel consumption, at the following rates:
At least 13, but less than 14 litres per 100 km: $1,000
At least 14, but less than 15 litres per 100 km: $2,000
At least 15, but less than 16 litres per 100 km: $3,000
16 or more litres per 100 km: $4,000

[lowside67]

Disregard that last post.

Another question. The car I bought had it's tags expire (from California) in October and right now it has "storage" registration on it.

1. My question is, can I get the insurance binder from icbc as is with the cali plate like this?

2. If not, do I need to get an insurance binder for the california plate as well as a trip permit from California DMV?

3. Do I have eat up the full year registration costs?

And if I do have to go and get the trip permit, aren't that going to try to make me pay california state tax?

I'm going this saturday, so the sooner the answer, the better.

1, 2: If the tags are expired, you will need a permit in addition to an insurance binder. To drive in the US, you need a permit and insurance - they are separate. If you do not have a valid plate, you need a permit in lieu of it. Regardless of whether you have permit or plate, you need the ICBC Binder.

3, 4: I doubt it, but the best bet is to call the California DMV.

[mj_39]

Answer:

That is completely, and blatantly 100% false.



thanks for clearing that up, I was actually pretty shocked when LP Auto(revscene sponsor) told me that I had to pay the excise tax on a 2006 SUV, Exact words were" since the car you are importing will first see service in CANADA (Oct 2009) you have to pay" also stated they charged another customer that imported a 2005 SUV the excise tax! How ever I did not end up importing through them since clearly they are not aware of the procedures or are trying to make a little more cash by telling this to customers who are importing for the first time!

Thanks for the info, and a great write up.

A little tip for 1st time importers do some of your own reasearch before letting a import company do all the work for you, I almost learned the hard way!!

[lowside67]

thanks for clearing that up, I was actually pretty shocked when LP Auto(revscene sponsor) told me that I had to pay the excise tax on a 2006 SUV, Exact words were" since the car you are importing will first see service in CANADA (Oct 2009) you have to pay" also stated they charged another customer that imported a 2005 SUV the excise tax! How ever I did not end up importing through them since clearly they are not aware of the procedures or are trying to make a little more cash by telling this to customers who are importing for the first time!

Thanks for the info, and a great write up.

A little tip for 1st time importers do some of your own reasearch before letting a import company do all the work for you, I almost learned the hard way!!
Indeed.

If anybody feels the desire to drop beer off to me, just send me a PM... ;)

I also accept Paypal and full frontal nudity of your girlfriend.

-Mark

[007WRX]

I successfully made it to Washington. A note, I drove through 3 states with expired registration. I had to do this because the DMV offices are not opens on weekend and they will not do trip permits over the phone. Do I suggest this, no. There were about a million cops on i-5 the whole way home.

I scanned/emailed my forms to the border today.

[Mr. Mayhew]

A question, by PM:



Answer:

That is completely, and blatantly 100% false.

From the RIV:

I was in the middle of writing back a rebuttle to this, when i decided to call RIV about it first. They instructed me to call CBSA and ask as it is a tax and.....

You are correct. This is huge news to me as we have been under a completely different impression as our former customs broker had been quoting us including the green levy, even on 05 -06 vehicles. This matter has been taken care of and I have clarified this with my staff. I apologize for the indiscretion in our information, and i hope you beleive me when i say that we were misled as well. In the end we would never charge a fee we were not charged for ourselves, if we didnt end up having to pay for the green levy we wouldnt have charged you for it either.

Please do not think for a second we would try to lie to get extra profit in any of our deals. Anyone who has dealt with us before (im sure there are a few people on here) can attest to the fact that we are very unlike alot of other dealers in the way that we are very straight up and honest.

My sincerest apologies on behalf of my staff and I, hope you understand that we thrive on referalls and repeats, so we cannot afford to get a bad name by doing anything shady and this was a genuine error. I will also have you know that we have never charged a green levy to anyone, as we do not do very many V8s other than pick-up trucks (which are exempt). If we had we would have caught this error sooner and once again i apologize.

[lowside67]

A question, by PM:

Regarding payment of taxes & fees at the border:

Hi, at the border when importing a car, how do I pay for Duty and GST. Can I pay it all with cash or all on credit card?

Whats the easiest way?

Answer:

They will take cash for any amount, though over $10,000 and they will make you fill out a standard anti-money laundering questionnaire. Interac they will take to any amount so this is also a good option but you may need to raise your limit. Visa they will only take to a $500 maximum per card, but you can pay with 8 cards if you need to. I do not believe they will take a personal cheque.

[DragonsMaw]

Updated link for the admissibility list:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/VAFUS.pdf

Inspection requirements:
http://www.riv.ca/ModificationAndInspectionRequirements.aspx

God their site search engine is useless, use the sidebar links instead. Can you edit these into the original post?

Edit: The main page on importing from the U.S. All the Transport Canada guides and regulations are listed from here. http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/safevehicles-importation-usa-index-445.htm

[KevinI]

Hey Lowside,

First of all, thank you for the awesome thread. Very resourceful and helpful. However, I do have a few questions. And Yes, I have read the entire thread, lol. I'm buying a 1990 Nissan 300ZX TT from a Dealership in Everett for $8300 Cash/Money Order/Bank Draft, etc. Therefore, the car being 20 Years old, I already know that I am not required to pay the Fuel Excise Tax. It was written multiple times that the Fuel Excise Tax only applies to cars that came into production after March 2007. So that is not one of my questions, lol.

1. Now, first question is about the Vehicle Export Worksheet. It is written in your thread that this Form must be completed 3 Business Day prior to the vehicle crossing the border, no exceptions. What if more than three days passes? Does it expire or something?

2. As for the Insurance Binder from ICBC, do I get that before I leave to pick the car up? And then when I'm down there, there is another insurance I have to get - the trip permit? Therefore, I need the ICBC Insurance Binder AND the Trip Permit from the DMV?

3. Is the Provincial Inspection and the Federal Inspection two different inspections or the same thing? Is the Federal Inspection not required but the Provincial Inspection is required? What about the RIV Fee? Is RIV Fee waived along with the Federal Inspection or do you just do one, or what?

Those are the three subjects I'm most confused about. I've never done anything like this before, therefore, I'm a little scared and just don't want to make a big expensive mistake. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

So in closing, just to make sure I got this down right, all I have do is as follows:

1. Get the Vehicle Export Worksheet from the Blaine US Vehicle Export Office
2. Pay for and get the ICBC Insurance Binder
3. Get my GF to drive me down to Everett to pick up the car for $8300 USD. Then get the Trip Permit from the DMV.
4. Drive the car to the Blaine Border Crossing and pay the Exchange Rate, A/C Tax, 6.1% Duty and 5% GST. (I am exempt from paying the Fuel Excise Tax and Federal Inspection since the car is older than 15 years old)
5. Pay the Export/Import Form Fees (according to Part 3, Step 2D)
6. Go to ICBC to get the car Insured and Registered and Pay the 7% PST
7. I'm Done?!

If there is anything I'm missing please let me know.

Thanks again,

Kevin.

[chromechevy]

Are there any companies out there that do all the paper work run around and bring the vehicle into Canada for a fee? Of course I would do all the inspection stuff etc...

Would 07/08 BMW m5's be admissable?

[bcrdukes]

^
Doing the inspections and necessary modifications are as easy as the paperwork process, in fact, it is easier.

Check the Admissibility list with Transport Canada to see if there are any restrictions in bringing that particular year/model in.

[chromechevy]

Really? Sounds so complex lol.

I checked that list, but it's really generic. It says BMW and the years, nothing about individual models...

[lowside67]

All BMW models are eligible. However, there is a fuel excise tax ($3000 on SMG models, $4000 on 6spds) on the new bodystyle M5s brought into service after March 20, 2007.

Edit - updated date, March, not May.

[chromechevy]

If I am buying say a 2006 m5 does that excise still apply being a smg?

What if I buy a 2007, with inservice date feb... Will I be okay? Or will the excise tax still effect me?

Confused

[lowside67]

All BMW models are eligible. However, there is a fuel excise tax ($3000 on SMG models, $4000 on 6spds) on the new bodystyle M5s brought into service after March 20, 2007.
If I am buying say a 2006 m5 does that excise still apply being a smg?

What if I buy a 2007, with inservice date feb... Will I be okay? Or will the excise tax still effect me?
Re-read what I wrote. ANY vehicle put into service (ie has an in-service date) after March 20, 2007 is subject to it. Doesnt matter if it's an 06 or an 08. Since February 2007 is before March 2007, no you do not have to pay the fuel tax.

-Mark

[chromechevy]

Thanks Low... Im just last minute tripping out...:thumbsup:

[freakshow]

hey lowside, i've added some info to your guide at my post here: http://www.revscene.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6802951&postcount=97

feel free to take from it what you want (if anything at all).. thanks again for an awesome guide!

[jep]

If I buy a vehicle from California with expired tags and drive it to Washington is the "trip permit" from California DMV enough to legally drive it to Washington or do I have to buy a permit for each state I drive through? (ie. Oregon and Washington)

[chromechevy]

Transport Canada website isnt too specific, says may require these modifactions...

Anyone know which modifactions a 03-06 Mercedes SL55 or E55 would require? 05-08 Corvette c6? Perhaps costs?

Bumpers? Speedometer?

[jsd125]

Hi, I was hoping someone can help me on here.

I'm purchasing a car in California that has a title that states "Salvage Certificate". can i use this document as a title to the vehicle or do i need to get a "salvage title".

I tried contacting the DMV in California but they don't accept calls from outside of the state. Also, I tried to call Oregon to see if i can get a trip permit and they said I have to get it from the titling state.

the car was a salvage car that has been repaired and is drivable.

Any help would be great, I sent in the salvage certificate to US customs and will call tomorrow to see if its good to go or not.

Has anyone else purchased a car with a Salvage Certificate???? not salvage title.

[V.I.Guy]

I got the inspection part of it figured out, but what papers do I need? Case= 1996 Integra, brought up by owner, broken into two years ago, and been sitting since. Is there paperwork he should have, that I need?

CHeers!~

[ipwn]

Hi, I was hoping someone can help me on here.

I'm purchasing a car in California that has a title that states "Salvage Certificate". can i use this document as a title to the vehicle or do i need to get a "salvage title".

I tried contacting the DMV in California but they don't accept calls from outside of the state. Also, I tried to call Oregon to see if i can get a trip permit and they said I have to get it from the titling state.

the car was a salvage car that has been repaired and is drivable.

Any help would be great, I sent in the salvage certificate to US customs and will call tomorrow to see if its good to go or not.

Has anyone else purchased a car with a Salvage Certificate???? not salvage title.

A bit late but I'm pretty sure a Salvage Certificate would suffice. If you don't mind me asking what kind of car are you planning to get?

I got a salvaged and repaired 09 Accord Coupe for $12,000 last year. Pretty much brand new, runs great, and I love it.

Good luck on your purchase

[AstulzerRZD]

Hi lowside!

I have a few questions pertaining to your guide.
I was wondering what the B3 mentioned in the first post was, and how you could find out when a vehicle was put into service. Thanks!

[Backy_Boy]

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2392447988.html

i want to import this vehicle. the owner is willing to sell it for 14500. to get someone to bring it to canada and registered how much will it cost in total. pm me if you import cars

[dbl_m]

I have a quick question, when importing a car from the US with a Salvage title does it have to have some other inspection other than the standard federal and provincial in order to get registered and insure? Thanks in advance

[NLY]

I have a quick question, when importing a car from the US with a Salvage title does it have to have some other inspection other than the standard federal and provincial in order to get registered and insure? Thanks in advance

bump with same question

thanks

[lowda9]

Anyone have a rough idea how much it would cost me to import a 1993 integra from washington? It's my car and don't know if it would be a good choice if importing it is going to cost more than what the car is worth, a couple grand.

[gdhillon]

Has any1 imported a snowmobile?

[gdhillon]

Also, what craigslist urls are close to the peace arch border?