[KayC]

I have seen many cars, such as porsches, audi r8s, ferrari, lambos put what it seems to be a print out sticker substituting the front license plate. Is this legal? and do they get it from icbc or do they just make it themselves. And if they do make it themselves, I'm guessing this is not legal

heres an example of it, hope the person who took this picture don't mind me using it.
* for some reason i can't attach an image in this thread so heres a link to the pic

http://bcmazda3.gumandgut.com/ice/20080330RS78.jpg

[jlenko]

Dang... I've never seen those before :) Pretty mint actually!!

First I've heard of these... I'll assume it's illegal, because it's not an actual metal plate like those that ICBC issues...

[Presto]

That's kinda cool!

[skidmark]

Unfortunately, it's not legal.

[yvrnycracer]

Not legal.... but may look less heaty... I have seen guys who get copies of their plates made and then they stick them on... that one looked like a Photoshop/Illustrator Mockup... The really good ones I have seen you can even see the groove around the edge of the plate! :thumbsup:

I still love the Nevada Plate law that one must only put a front plate on if the car is designed for it... I hate that we are expected to drill holes in the front of our cars... But that is another discussion entirely that has happened too many times!! :thumbsup:

[synn12]

I suppose it's better than running no plate at all, but any cop could give you a ticket because it still isn't a licence plate regardless of how accurate it may be.

"I don't have my drivers licence with me officer, however I did create this photoshop rendition of what my licence looks like. I'd say I did a good job, I even got a few of my little chest hairs in there...See"

[1983 Z28]

Now, my question to the officers here would be whether or not you'd enforce the law here. Assuming the car was being driven respectfully, and the plate on the front matched the one on the back, was clearly visible/legible, etc etc, would you bother pulling the guy over? Seems to be another classic case of spirit of the law vs. letter of the law...

[ninjatune]

I think this would bring more attention to your car since you're making the "plate", they'd want to check if the plate actually matches your car.

[Great68]

Assuming the car was being driven respectfully, and the plate on the front matched the one on the back, was clearly visible/legible, etc etc, would you bother pulling the guy over? Seems to be another classic case of spirit of the law vs. letter of the law...

Exactly. The owner is at least TRYING to satisfy the law, without having to drill holes in his car.

[Soundy]

It also has the appearance of the owner trying to pull something questionable (as ninjatune points out).

edit: And actually, it doesn't satisfy the spirit of the law, either. The SPIRIT is not to simply have a front plate, but to have a front plate that can be easily seen at night, and if necessary, photographed. Supplied plates are highly reflective to aid in this. The "sticker" plates are not.

[Great68]

Supplied plates are highly reflective to aid in this. The "sticker" plates are not.


I'm sure you can make "sticker" plates out of reflective material as well.

[Soundy]

And now you're trying to use semantics to "bypass" the spirit of the law.

[1983 Z28]

How so? If I had a something exotic, I'd have a big problem drilling holes in the front. If it came down to something uber rare like an old 250 GTO or something, I'd simply refuse to do it, I won't lie. I'm not taking my Rigid cordless to a hand-rolled aluminum panel that's literally irreplaceable. But I wouldn't have a problem having an exact duplicate of my issued front plate printed out on vinyl, with the proper reflective inks used because as far as anyone needed to know, it IS a front plate. It'd be just as visible as a normal plate, and wouldn't require disfiguring a front end that may cost tens of thousands of dollars... so how is that violating the spirit of the law?

[zulutango]

Number plates
12 (1) Each number plate must bear the licence number of the motor vehicle or trailer for which it is issued, and shall be of a material and design determined by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, and is and remains the property of the corporation.

[zulutango]

Number plates
12 (1) Each number plate must bear the licence number of the motor vehicle or trailer for which it is issued, and shall be of a material and design determined by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, and is and remains the property of the corporation.
Offences

13 (1) A person commits an offence if the person drives, operates, parks or is in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer on a highway

(a) without the licence required by this Act for the operation of that motor vehicle or trailer having been first obtained and being then in force,

(b) without displaying on it, in the manner prescribed, the number plates issued or designated by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia or otherwise prescribed to be displayed on that motor vehicle or trailer for the current licence year of that motor vehicle or trailer, or

(c) that has displayed on it a number plate other than those issued or designated by the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia or otherwise prescribed to be displayed on that motor vehicle or trailer for the current licence year of that motor vehicle or trailer.

[johny]

90% of the reason you have a front plate is to reflect radar back to the gun. which this one won't.

[skidmark]

90% of the reason you have a front plate is to reflect radar back to the gun. which this one won't.

:haha: and all the rest of the metal in the vehicle won't??

[skidmark]

Actually, my thought might turn to "where is the other plate?" Maybe on the guy's other vehicle with a Photoshopped validation decal??

[jlenko]

Maybe it's an age thing... I had no problem drilling holes in my aftermarket bumper, just to mount a plate... if I get pulled over less, for doing just that? It's worth it in my opinion. Sure, the bumper opening looks cooler without a plate obstructing it... but it's not worth the hassle. I might move to Alberta for work... so then I'll have a pair of holes to fill ;)

Nevada may have that law... but I don't know any car that comes from the dealer without holes.. or at least some provision for mounting it stock... so you'd never get around it to begin with. However, what I DO like about the Nevada plates... the plates go with a person, not with a car... so you could move your plates between your daily driver and your weekend car... how about that, ICBC? No way...

[Raid3n]

Maybe it's an age thing... I had no problem drilling holes in my aftermarket bumper, just to mount a plate... if I get pulled over less, for doing just that? It's worth it in my opinion. Sure, the bumper opening looks cooler without a plate obstructing it... but it's not worth the hassle. I might move to Alberta for work... so then I'll have a pair of holes to fill ;)

Nevada may have that law... but I don't know any car that comes from the dealer without holes.. or at least some provision for mounting it stock... so you'd never get around it to begin with. However, what I DO like about the Nevada plates... the plates go with a person, not with a car... so you could move your plates between your daily driver and your weekend car... how about that, ICBC? No way...

my car doesn't have holes in the front bumper for a plate, nor does it have any hardware to mount a plate. i had to put screws in my bumper to mount the plate, and i dont know how long they'll stay there.

[jlenko]

Factory bumper? What kind of car.

[sho_bc]

You can order any factory bumper, and tell them not to drill holes in it. And if they're already drilled, they can easily fill them before painting to match the rest of the car.

[Soundy]

How so? If I had a something exotic, I'd have a big problem drilling holes in the front. If it came down to something uber rare like an old 250 GTO or something, I'd simply refuse to do it, I won't lie. I'm not taking my Rigid cordless to a hand-rolled aluminum panel that's literally irreplaceable. But I wouldn't have a problem having an exact duplicate of my issued front plate printed out on vinyl, with the proper reflective inks used because as far as anyone needed to know, it IS a front plate. It'd be just as visible as a normal plate, and wouldn't require disfiguring a front end that may cost tens of thousands of dollars...

So instead you'll gum up the paint job with the sticker adhesive? Yeah, okay... :rolleyes:

Actually, my thought might turn to "where is the other plate?" Maybe on the guy's other vehicle with a Photoshopped validation decal??

As I said (and ninjatune as well)... it gives the appearance of something else being suspicious.

Maybe it's an age thing... I had no problem drilling holes in my aftermarket bumper, just to mount a plate... if I get pulled over less, for doing just that? It's worth it in my opinion. Sure, the bumper opening looks cooler without a plate obstructing it... but it's not worth the hassle. I might move to Alberta for work... so then I'll have a pair of holes to fill ;)

If someone is that concerned about holes in the front bumper, maybe they need to get a little more imaginative. Construct a bracket for the plate that goes through the grill or under the bumper and attaches to the subframe or something. It's perfectly possible to stay legal without inflicting damage on your car's body... just need to be as creative with your fabricating skills as you are with your excuses :D

[Splinter]

Factory bumper? What kind of car.

my parents 350z doesnt have a spot for a license plate

[Eclypz]

a lotus elise doesn't come with holes for a front plate either.

[synn12]

my parents 350z doesnt have a spot for a license plate

Yes it does, it just needs the bracket. Any 350z sold new in Canada would have come with it. It is either installed when the car is PDI'd at the dealership apon arrival or kept with the car and provided with purchase.
http://www.buysell.com/buysell_photo/BC/2005_NISSAN_350Z_NAVIGATION_49000kms_2dr_Manual_RW D_3_5_Cylinders_6_Gas_Alarm_A.jpg?org=http://ppgmedia.buysell.com/ppgphotos/bs200541292544/bs200541292544_2008212121671402388-display.jpg

a lotus elise doesn't come with holes for a front plate either.

The bracket for the elise mounts up under the front bumper and comes up just infront of the lower lip. The have ones for euro plates too, any google image search will show you it.

[boxeraddict]

He probably just wanted something that fits the thin bumper nicely, AKA the wide plates issued in Europe.

But we all know ICBC hates cars AND the people who drive them (as made evident by them selling write-offs without disclosure at auction...)

[freakshow]

But we all know ICBC hates cars AND the people who drive them (as made evident by them selling write-offs without disclosure at auction...)
I think that is evidence for their love of money, not hate for people.

[yvrnycracer]

see the word in the nevada law is "designed" and most cars are not "designed" to have a front plate on them... no vw is... no nissan is... no bentley, lambo, ferrari etc... in reality no car built by a manufacturer that is outside of north america "designs" a place to hold a front license plate... it is not visually appealing... and it kills the lines of the car! All the above stated brands require drilling or some modification to be made to the overall design of the car... also I think that it is bogus that our insurer issues plates and licenses! And I still ask why 5 provinces do not require a front plate... laws should be universal across the country... If the front plate was so important to be seen it would be lit up like the rear... and the headlights at night obscure the the plate as well... and the front plate actually helps with laser speed detection... radar doesn't need help of a reflective surface ;)

:rant

/rant

[jlenko]

Yes it does, it just needs the bracket. Any 350z sold new in Canada would have come with it. It is either installed when the car is PDI'd at the dealership apon arrival or kept with the car and provided with purchase.
http://www.buysell.com/buysell_photo/BC/2005_NISSAN_350Z_NAVIGATION_49000kms_2dr_Manual_RW D_3_5_Cylinders_6_Gas_Alarm_A.jpg?org=http://ppgmedia.buysell.com/ppgphotos/bs200541292544/bs200541292544_2008212121671402388-display.jpg



The bracket for the elise mounts up under the front bumper and comes up just infront of the lower lip. The have ones for euro plates too, any google image search will show you it.

This is exactly my point - there isn't a vehicle today that comes without some provisions for mounting a front plate. Whether the dealer installs that mount or not, at your request, does not exempt you from the law... and the law is, two plates... one front, one rear... unmodified, unbent, unobstructed... not in the window... properly mounted, on the front of the car.

Such an easy concept... look at my car (in sig)... I drilled two holes for the front plate, and I can honestly say - I've never been pulled over in it.

[Soundy]

This is exactly my point - there isn't a vehicle today that comes without some provisions for mounting a front plate. Whether the dealer installs that mount or not, at your request, does not exempt you from the law... and the law is, two plates... one front, one rear... unmodified, unbent, unobstructed... not in the window... properly mounted, on the front of the car.

Such an easy concept... look at my car (in sig)... I drilled two holes for the front plate, and I can honestly say - I've never been pulled over in it.

Or as I pointed out earlier in the thread, if some of the creativity that goes into the excuses for not having a front plate mounted, were channeled into fabrication instead, there's no reason one can't MAKE an appropriate bracket and avoid drilling.

[es2k]

me nieghbours ferrari 430 doesnt have a front plate on it. he never got in trouble for it.

[ericthehalfbee]

Or as I pointed out earlier in the thread, if some of the creativity that goes into the excuses for not having a front plate mounted, were channeled into fabrication instead, there's no reason one can't MAKE an appropriate bracket and avoid drilling.I once saw a custom hot rod with an L shaped piece of metal for the bracket, long side of the L went under the car and attahced to a part of the frame. I looked under and he used wing nuts so you could take the plate and whole bracket off in like 20 seconds. So yeah, a little creativity can solve the mounting problem.

As to the sticker, doesn't anyone see a problem with making a "forgery" of a government issued plate? What's next, making copies of your drivers license and putting one in each car so you always have one to present to an officer?

It might be smart of ICBC to have a sticker as an option. Like custom plates. If they go through the trouble of making a custom plate, then why not allow a custom sticker? Then people who want one can pay for it.

[Soundy]

I once saw a custom hot rod with an L shaped piece of metal for the bracket, long side of the L went under the car and attahced to a part of the frame. I looked under and he used wing nuts so you could take the plate and whole bracket off in like 20 seconds. So yeah, a little creativity can solve the mounting problem.

Sounds pimpin'!

As to the sticker, doesn't anyone see a problem with making a "forgery" of a government issued plate? What's next, making copies of your drivers license and putting one in each car so you always have one to present to an officer?

I was thinking the same kinda thing... what's the stop someone from making a fake front plate for the cameras?

It might be smart of ICBC to have a sticker as an option. Like custom plates. If they go through the trouble of making a custom plate, then why not allow a custom sticker? Then people who want one can pay for it.

The stupid thing with this whole idea is still that the guys arguing against the front plates because they don't want to deface their precious cars by drilling mounting holes, are instead going to put some goopy sticker on their expensive paint jobs?? Puh-leeeeeze.

[billy0720]

if you have enough money to have a sticker for a license plate, damn... you'd have enough money to just pay off the 100 dollar ticket.

[JMFerreira7]

Sounds pimpin'!



I was thinking the same kinda thing... what's the stop someone from making a fake front plate for the cameras?



The stupid thing with this whole idea is still that the guys arguing against the front plates because they don't want to deface their precious cars by drilling mounting holes, are instead going to put some goopy sticker on their expensive paint jobs?? Puh-leeeeeze.

Just wanted to say, stickers do not damage the paint. All you do to remove it is attatch a rubber sander to a compressed air drill and it comes right off without damaging any paint what-so-ever. Although I have my own personal solution to my front bumper. I use a repair plate. You can't be pulled over, the car is "under repairs" and it's a special plate number format so police don't even bother pulling you over.

[sho_bc]

Although I have my own personal solution to my front bumper. I use a repair plate. You can't be pulled over, the car is "under repairs" and it's a special plate number format so police don't even bother pulling you over.

You can be pulled over. I always check repair plates.

Repairer's licence
44 (1) For the purpose of this section, "repairer's garage" means a place of business primarily designed or used for the purpose of repairing motor vehicles or trailers, but does not include a place of business from which motive fuel, lubricating oil, antifreeze or other similar products, and services incidental to them, are sold or provided except in relation to repairs.

(2) The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia may, on receiving an application in the form the corporation requires, and payment of the prescribed fee, and payment of the insurance fee prescribed under the Insurance (Vehicle) Act, issue to the owner of a repairer's garage a repairer's licence and the number of corresponding number plates that the owner applies for.
(3) A motor vehicle or trailer being driven, operated or towed on a highway by the owner of a repairer's garage, or his or her agent or employee, for the purpose of repairing, testing or rendering a service incidental to the repairing or testing, of the motor vehicle or trailer, and that has attached to it a number plate issued to the owner under subsection (2), is deemed to be sufficiently registered and licensed for the purposes of this Act and the Commercial Transport Act.

There are plenty of checks we can do to ensure that the plate isn't being mis-used. If the plate is being mis-used, its a No Insurance ticket, seizure of the plates and a tow truck at the driver's expense to be parked somewhere legally.

[ninjatune]

I stop every repairer plate... Half the time they are being used contrary to the law.

[urban.boi]

if you own an exotic car, you can surely pay the $100 ticket for no front plate.

[johny]

I stop every repairer plate... Half the time they are being used contrary to the law.

the best is seeing dealer plates at 1am....

[jlenko]

I always suspect something is amiss when I see dealer plates permanently attached to a very dirty (but new looking) vehicle..

[skidmark]

I always suspect something is amiss when I see dealer plates permanently attached to a very dirty (but new looking) vehicle..

Yeah, some clown is abusing the test drive!

[seekerbeta]

If you were to go to ICBC, and get them to Designate the sticker as the second Number Plate, it would be legit, still get you pulled over, but legit, i see why everyone requires a front plate, but i see all those farm vehicles, and other road working equipment driving around on public roads with no plate / only a rear, and i dont see cops pulling them over, and if its a case of it being a construction vehicle, get the insurance company to declare your car a construction vehicle.

[Soundy]

If you were to go to ICBC, and get them to Designate the sticker as the second Number Plate, it would be legit, still get you pulled over, but legit, i see why everyone requires a front plate, but i see all those farm vehicles, and other road working equipment driving around on public roads with no plate / only a rear, and i dont see cops pulling them over, and if its a case of it being a construction vehicle, get the insurance company to declare your car a construction vehicle.

WAT

[zulutango]

Yep...plenty of high speed pursuits with them front end loaders and rollers...some roller chases have been known to reach 8kmh!!!! Plate flipper sales are huge for owners of Cat D5's I hear.

[JMFerreira7]

Regardless, even if I get a $100 ticket for no front plate I wouldn't mind paying it if it only happens once every 2 weeks or so.

[ajax]

Civics have holes drilled into the front by the dealer to mount the front plates. Some of the US cars don't have this hole and even some civics up here don't have the hole drilled.
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[Soundy]

Regardless, even if I get a $100 ticket for no front plate I wouldn't mind paying it if it only happens once every 2 weeks or so.

B-b-b-b-ballin'

[Jgresch]

I always suspect something is amiss when I see dealer plates permanently attached to a very dirty (but new looking) vehicle..

This could just be an employees demo car...
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[BallPeenHammer2]

My car didn't have one either. It was a sunfire. LOL

[flagella]

considered this. Too bad it's illegal :(

[Soundy]

^Definitely a high-end exotic!

[Rich Sandor]

FYI Skimark, jlenko, et all: D-plates CAN be used for personal business by dealer principals and their employees.


(5) For the purposes of subsections (3) and (4), "purposes relating to the business" includes personal use of a vehicle of the holder of the demonstration licence by him or her, his or her vehicle salespersons and members of his or her or their households, but does not include use of a vehicle for a commercial purpose not directly related to the sale of the vehicle.

[underscore]

^ but the personal use still has to relate to the business. I can't really think of examples, but I would doubt that driving home counts.

[Rich Sandor]

No, it does not have to be business related. That's why it says PERSONAL USE. It is the opposite of BUSINESS USE.

It's quite clear. I don't understand how you could misinterpret that.

For example:

I CAN grab a demo plate and use it to go get lunch.
I CAN grab a demo plate and go buy games at the mall.
I CAN grab a demo plate and take the car to whistler for the weekend

I CANNOT grab a demo plate to pick up supplies for my "on-the-side" home reno business.
I CANNOT grab a demo plate and charge for driving lessons with it.
I CANNOT grab a demo plate and use the vehicle as a taxi or such..

[underscore]

Ah right, my bad, I get it now.

I misinterpreted that because it's out of it's original context, and it didn't look like this is an addition to/clarification of what is covered under "purposes relating to the business." My mistake.

[Soundy]

^ but the personal use still has to relate to the business. I can't really think of examples, but I would doubt that driving home counts.

how are you going to do business if you can't get your personal ass to and from work?

[underscore]

^ scam people by pretending to fly down to LA to buy them an ISF?

[jlenko]

I CAN grab a demo plate and use it to go get lunch.
I CAN grab a demo plate and go buy games at the mall.
I CAN grab a demo plate and take the car to whistler for the weekend


You might want to check with the manager before you go doing that.. they like to fire the salespeople at the dealership I go to when they do that stuff :rofl:

[midnight_r]

so anyways totally useless thread

real question is WHO CAN PRINT THE LICENCE PLATE ON VINYL!!!?

[Soundy]

Any place that does vinyl printing CAN. More important question is, who's stupid enough to actually put one on their car?

[zulutango]

Let's not all answer with the same names at once shall we? :D

[jaysabree]

Here's a website that will make you adhesive license plate replica, Custom License Plates - Adhesive license plate replica (http://customlicenseplates.us/)

I got mine there and so far so good