[Dan_Guy]

I've always wondered what is the difference between the two. Who has more authority :confused:. Who get payed more and anything else =S

[sho_bc]

VPD is strictly a municple police force, whereas the RCMP is a federal police force contracted out by municipalities and provinces to police that municipality & province. In a municipal setting/context, I think both have equal amounts of authority, but overall, the entire organization of the RCMP has more responsabilities. As for pay, some might say that they're comparable overall. I think you can find the pay scales on their respective websites.

[johny]

if you want a job dealing with crack heads all day, in a city you'll never be able to buy a house or live very well, go to VPD.

if you want to live in some small city, not deal with crack heads, where you can buy a nice house for 200k look at RCMP.

[Dan_Guy]

if you want a job dealing with crack heads all day, in a city you'll never be able to buy a house or live very well, go to VPD.

if you want to live in some small city, not deal with crack heads, where you can buy a nice house for 200k look at RCMP.

fact or opinion?

[zulutango]

Generally it is the same job, but different. You deal with the same 5% of the population that cause problems but most RCMP postings are in smaller cities, towns and lots of rural Policing. There are crackheads in East Van and in Estavan Sask, just a higher number in Vancouver.

RCMP is non-union, could be a positive or negative for you personally, work 1 to a car and usually carry a much higher file load than most Munis. We are a Para-Military outfit and different rules apply to us. When it suits the Federal Govt, we are RCMP, when it suits them we are federal Govt. civil servants.

RCMP=Transfers. If you like mobility and working different areas this can be a plus. If you don't like Wasagaming or Carrot Lake as a future home then Van PD is for you. Remote, small town LDPs' are often a way of life. Some like it, some would rather the creature comforts Vancouver has to offer.


Right now I believe Van PD are better paid that RCMP. We just got a raise but tend to lag at least a couple of years behind as the Federal Govt waits till others get their raises then gives us a "kinda like that" raise.

RCMP offers a much wider career path in the specialized sections...everything from VIP Protection, national organized crime, counter-terrorism, sky marshalls, to Federal sector stuff. Van PD would probably see you getting promoted quicker and accessing their own specialized sections but they are local level only.


Talk to both sets of recruiters. Both outfits are screaming for recruits. They all blew it by ignoring the boomers retirement thing and are scrambling to replace lots of retiring and transferring Members right now. Find what fits best for you, that is the most important thing.

[the_rickster]

apparently new west city police has the best toys.

[zulutango]

Oh ya just HAD to bring up the Chargers didn't ya!!!!!!! '

[the_rickster]

...among other things. apparently they get the newest, latest and greatest gear as well. new west loves their cops.

[fukkeneh240]

new west huh? damn, maybe i should apply with them too.

[Gh0stRider]

nw is on my list of municipals to apply with. I want some toys!

[the_rickster]

the only problem with working new west is that that city is ghe-etto

[smoothie.]

the only problem with working new west is that that city is ghe-etto

still better than surrey

[yvrnycracer]

I think all the police forces have pretty cool toys... I supply them some of their toys and you can tell which teams have unlimited budgets... ERT, Bomb just come in and get whatever they want... West Van definitely has a cool assortment of cars... Dodge Chargers etc and their cruisers definitely look the part with the black and white colour scheme!

[the_rickster]

yeah, those west van cruisers are hot.

[Gh0stRider]

Whats the annual salary for a NWPD constable? Its not listed on the website.

[fukkeneh240]

that is weird.. the last time i check before my rcmp app started it was along the same lines as VPD... now they dont list the salaries and benefits anymore.

[AX.Deadpool]

I remember my criminology proff, whos a sargent or something for the VPD, told me that rookies make about $20 an hour..

is that true?

[NSX]

RCMP=Transfers. If you like mobility and working different areas this can be a plus. If you don't like Wasagaming or Carrot Lake as a future home then Van PD is for you. Remote, small town LDPs' are often a way of life. Some like it, some would rather the creature comforts Vancouver has to offer.




Is it true that there is a contract now for new recruits...stating that if you sign a 3-4 year term with them, you will be guranteed a lower mainland position?

[Five-Oh]

Is it true that there is a contract now for new recruits...stating that if you sign a 3-4 year term with them, you will be guranteed a lower mainland position?

No there is not. With the RCMP if you are from the lower mainland and you want to come back to the lower mainland, I'd say you have about a pretty good chance of coming back. Most people joining the RCMP don't want to work here because of the cost of living, so they have a hard time filling the spots here. Also, because of that, it is hard to get out of the lower mainland once you are here. I have a minimum of 5 years that I have to spend in Richmond, which is on par with most of the cities around here if you are posted to them. It almost seems like the RCMP in the lower mainland is totally backwards from the rest of the country because here it is extremely hard to get a transfer whereas everywhere else you are guaranteed a transfer after a couple of years.

All that being said, I almost wish I had gone somewhere else now. Throughout my time in the RCMP I have had the chance to do short term stints in some small towns including an 80 person town in the northern Yukon (all by choice). It is a great experience and if you want to make some good cash with very little expenses, anywhere outside the lower mainland might be worth looking at.

Personally, I would recommend the RCMP over the muni's just because of all the different opportunities open to you. On the other hand if you are dead-set against going anywhere else in the country besides the lower mainland, you should probably stick with the muni's because that is always a possibility you will get shipped out to Assumption Alberta as a troop mate of mine found out the hard way.

[fukkeneh240]

^ haha... when they ask me to choose 10 cities after they tell me what province im going too, it's going to be all the farthest north as possible.. be a real Gravel Road Cop. lol

that or my VPD appy goes faster and get hired there first :S

[orange7]

^ haha... when they ask me to choose 10 cities after they tell me what province im going too, it's going to be all the farthest north as possible.. be a real Gravel Road Cop. lol

that or my VPD appy goes faster and get hired there first :S

but it's gonna get really cold for the winter!

more like a snow cop!

[johny]

but it's gonna get really cold for the winter!

more like a snow cop!

buy a nice house for 150k vs 1 million. I'd take the north in a heart beat.

[skidmark]

The RCMP staffs the Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut through volunteers for the positions within the Force. I understand that they don't have to try hard to fill any of them.

I had a troopmate who was posted to Resolute Bay, the northern most detachment in Canada. He thought it was one of the greatest choices he had made.

Of course there are those of us who were sucked into the black hole, aka the Lower Mainland and have spent their entire service there too.

If you see it as a plus, the RCMP has many different opportunities that you would never get in a city force. If you want to think really different, I also had a troopmate who spent a couple of years in Vienna, Austria as a liaison.

[willystyle]

I've heard from a fellow RS member that cops have the opportunities to go overseas to work as well. How does this work?

Thanks!

[skidmark]

It's an Interpol liaison position. I don't know how it works, but do know that generally it goes to senior people. There is also a chance to work international investigations if you end up in the right place. Unfortunately, I don't know much about it.

[zulutango]

I spent 8 years in Newfoundland....THAT was an "overseas posting"!!!!!They had their own money, government and passports until the Confederation vote.

[PACER]

Gee,

Most of the replies have covered al the topics..... As you have noticed it is kind of a personal choice. We all mostly do the same job, but with the RCMP you have the opportunity to move to different areas of a Province or to a different one. There are some great things to say about working in small towns in remote areas of the Country. I spent my first 9 years working in, a 5 and a 4 person detachment. One was located at the end of a road (well most of the year I would call it more of a trail, 4x4 would get stuck on it in the spring) with our closest neighbouring town about 2.5 hrs away or about 180 km. My experiences there were all positive and I believe they helped me develope the police personality I have. I am usually a little less abrasive and tend to have more patients with people than a number of members that learned policing in large municipalities. This came from neccesity in a small town as you have no back up and often relied on civilians for assistance. So you tended to have to be a little nicer overall. You tend to develop good verbal skills as it is much easier to talk a person into doing what you want than trying to force them and the 20 other people to do it....

If you love nature that is the place to go..... lots of outdoor activities, most have skidoos, boats and some have seadoos as well. You get oportunities to flay in all sorts of aircraft etc.... But it can get a little lonley and there is not much to do. I enjoyed my time but asked to come to the Lowermainland.

I enjoy it here and plan to remain for some time. I work in Richmond which is a great place to not only live but the office and work environment are great.

Good luck with whatever you choose....

We do get one of the nicest formal uniforms and it is internationally recognized.....

[skidmark]

Interesting link to RCMP being rated as one of Canada's top 100 employers


Click Me! (http://www.eluta.ca/einfo?en=Royal+Canadian+Mounted+Police+%2F+RCMP&ri=f11b98d47e6975eedfcc0f9f60876041&rk=c626fe955fc2e0797c1ce5508d7a52ad)

[fukkeneh240]

hey quick question to the RCMP members here.

what happens when you have a death in the family (immediate family) while youre at depot? do you basically stop your training (to go home for the funeral and grieve/down time) and re-start the 6 month shabang, or get put into another troop, or cover the things you missed on the weekends?

hopefully it doesnt come to this, but (realistically) my grandmother is getting weaker every month and i hope it doesnt happen while im there :(

Thanks.

[sho_bc]

Depending on when it happens (how far into training you are), you could be backtrooped, or you might have to start over from the beginning. My parents told me that if anything happened to either of them, they would want me to continue on with training. Not sure if I would or not, but thankfully, they're still going strong. I had a troop mate leave because of his father's health though, right near the beginning of training, so it does happen.

[PACER]

Not sure but seems sho bc has some experience with this. I would think they will try their best to accomodate you but you may be held back to make up missed training.

BTW seems like we have a bunch of regulars here that are in training or going to training do we need to start a new forum just for them.....

[sho_bc]

I would think they will try their best to accomodate you but you may be held back to make up missed training.


Yep, if you haven't made any bad impressions and have a relatively strong file (if it looks like you're able to come back and continue to do well), they "leave the door open" to your return. Like I mentioned before, the likelihood of being backtrooped is more likely the case than not, but where you are/were in training before will dictate how far back you go.
There was a guy in my troop that went home in the wee hours of a Friday morning, and returned on the Sunday night and was able to continue on like normal, so thats one thing to look at doing, too.

[fukkeneh240]

^ well.... sadly i no longer have to worry about it :'(

ironically i was telling my background investigator about this, and no more then 30 min later my mom calls :(

anyhoo.................

[frito_lay]

Interesting link to RCMP being rated as one of Canada's top 100 employers


Click Me! (http://www.eluta.ca/einfo?en=Royal+Canadian+Mounted+Police+%2F+RCMP&ri=f11b98d47e6975eedfcc0f9f60876041&rk=c626fe955fc2e0797c1ce5508d7a52ad)

thats true in fact I was considering a career in the RCMP instead I leaned towards St.Johns more lol

btw skidmark I have a question I heard from a sheriff that sometime in the near future hiways are gonna be under their jurisdiction... true ?

[impactX]

^ well.... sadly i no longer have to worry about it :'(

ironically i was telling my background investigator about this, and no more then 30 min later my mom calls :(

anyhoo.................

Sorry for your loss...

[skidmark]

btw skidmark I have a question I heard from a sheriff that sometime in the near future hiways are gonna be under their jurisdiction... true ?

I haven't heard this one yet, but there is nothing to stop our provincial government from changing/extending the CVSE program or straight traffic enforcement using the Sheriff's Services.

In some ways it would be an improvement if traffic enforcement went provincial and the resources were dedicated to only that job.

[Gh0stRider]

i was looking at the RCMP site, and it mentioned bench mark performance for push ups, sit ups, chin ups, 1.5 mile run and 3 mile run. Do they actually test you on that stuff.

[Five-Oh]

i was looking at the RCMP site, and it mentioned bench mark performance for push ups, sit ups, chin ups, 1.5 mile run and 3 mile run. Do they actually test you on that stuff.

Yes they do.

[Fafine]

Yes they do.

i saw on the site that you need to run 1.5mile in the 10:45 benchmark. what if you can everything else on the list and not quite get 10:45?

[PR0WL]

They record it but they dont generally send u home for getting under the benchmark.

The only physical thing you can get sent home for is failing the PARE... but really if you cant do the PARE in under 4:45 you really really should not be a cop.

[SpoonWork]

Do they hire fobs ? lol... is it all Caucasians or do Asians have a say in RCMP/VPD

[sho_bc]

The 1.5 mile benchmark isn't really all that hard to achieve. Its basically a very fast run and is over before you know it. (this is coming from someone who didn't used to run very much)

With the RCMP, it is quite culturally diverse (as is the VPD I'm sure, given the ethnic make-up of the Lower Mainland). And just because you're asian in the RCMP doesn't mean you're coming to the Lower Mainland/Richmond. I know a guy sent to small-town-nowhere Saskatchewan. :agree:

[fukkeneh240]

They record it but they dont generally send u home for getting under the benchmark.

The only physical thing you can get sent home for is failing the PARE... but really if you cant do the PARE in under 4:45 you really really should not be a cop.

i did the PARE in 3:32 but my 1.5 mile is terrible.. like 11:30 or so.. working on that though. (but by vpd standards, 11:30 is a pass.. under 12 min) :D

[zulutango]

My last PARE @ 3.45 a year ago, did Cooper's test in 9.25 at 41 years of age. It ain't difficult if an old fart like me can get those times.

[sho_bc]

Impressive cooper's time. :thumbsup: It puts my last cooper's time to shame given my gangly legs and "younger person's advantage". :D

[fukkeneh240]

what the hell.. so i did a 1.5 mile today and took me exactly 13 min?!?!? i have to admit i haven't run in a month due to family issues.. but not running for a friggin month added a min and a half to my over all time...??!!?? starting next friday, i have to start running again. this is friggin sad.. LOL.

sigh... :\

end of vent/rant.

[sho_bc]

You'd be surprised how much faster you are when you run in a group and in a test setting. My 5 mile run was WAY at the end because I was battling pretty bad shin splints at the time of the 5 mile test. I got the fastest guy in my troop to go out with me to push me for a fast time and, fighting the prairie winds 3/4 of the run, I pulled off a 38 minute 5 mile feeling like I could have gone for another mile or two at the same pace. Never would have been able to run that on my own. When you're testing yourself, figure out how fast you want to run it, and then figure out the time for .5 miles, 1 mile, and then find landmarks to help guide your pacing.

[Five-Oh]

My last PARE was 3:02 and my last Cooper's test was 8:47, both of which were in Depot (2.5 years ago). I have kept running and working out since then but I think my times would be a bit higher now.

The PARE isn't hard to do in under four minutes and like PROWL said, if you can't do it in under 4 minutes you should not be applying to a police force. PARE is the only test they are going to send you home if you don't make the bench mark. The fitness facilitators are mainly focused on effort and improvement on everything else. If they know you are working your hardest to reach the bench marks they will do everything they can to help you out in making those goals and any other fitness goals you have. If they think that you are not giving it your all, you would probably be a happier person if they just sent you home instead.

I think a common misconception amongst a lot of applicants is that they will go and get in shape while at Depot. You should be in the best shape of your life when you are going tp Depot because if you go there out of shape you are going to be tired and run down all day, which will affect all the other things you do there. You will also be worried about failing out on the PARE, which should be the last of your concerns.

[sho_bc]

The PARE isn't hard to do in under four minutes and like PROWL said, if you can't do it in under 4 minutes you should not be applying to a police force. PARE is the only test they are going to send you home if you don't make the bench mark. The fitness facilitators are mainly focused on effort and improvement on everything else. If they know you are working your hardest to reach the bench marks they will do everything they can to help you out in making those goals and any other fitness goals you have. If they think that you are not giving it your all, you would probably be a happier person if they just sent you home instead.

I think a common misconception amongst a lot of applicants is that they will go and get in shape while at Depot. You should be in the best shape of your life when you are going tp Depot because if you go there out of shape you are going to be tired and run down all day, which will affect all the other things you do there. You will also be worried about failing out on the PARE, which should be the last of your concerns.

^^^ what's been said here is super true. I saw many people who looked like they literally were rolled off the plane. I'm not sure how they made it past the initial PARE in the recruiting process, but for the most part, few stayed past the first week.

In case it isn't anywhere on the website, part of the physical component at Depot is completing a minimum of 5 fitness competencies per week for the duration of training. 2 resistance/weight work outs, and 3 cardio work outs. That is generally on top of all the in-class exercise done throughout the week.

[Dan_Guy]

I did my 1st pare in 3:58, I know quite high, but that was after being pretty sick with strep throat. I really though I wouldnt recover in time to pass.

[Gh0stRider]

oh ok, thats good to know about the bench mark.

I can see why doing testing in a group can be different. I know when i run by myself, I dont push myself as hard as when im running with a friend.

[falcon]

I've been going to the gym for the last 2 months every day getting prepared for DEPOT. When I started, I was a HORRIBLE runner. But after running for 20 mins every day, slowly upping the speed (on a treadmill) I have gotten a lot better. I'm not quite at the 10:45 yet but I really don't see any issues getting there by the end of DEPOT.

I'm pretty excited, I haven't quite finished the whole interview process but I have a good chance of being accepted.

After the recruiting seminar thing, all I know is that if I have an option I am getting as far north as I can. The extra 15k a year makes a big difference when you have nothing to spend it on!

[sho_bc]

first of all, get off the treadmill and go run outside. huge difference. don't like the incremental weather? you'll be running in all sorts of weather at Depot, so better to get used to ugly weather here. :D Also, invest in some properly fitted running shoes and buy a few pairs. I went through 2 pairs with all the running we did.

Also, don't burn yourself out in the gym before you get there, cause you'll be needing all the rest you can squeeze in once there. you get minimal recovery time for your body, so at least cut it back to 5 days/week here.

[sho_bc]

I did my 1st pare in 3:58, I know quite high, but that was after being pretty sick with strep throat. I really though I wouldnt recover in time to pass.

that sucks. thankfully, i didn't get hit by any of the depot colds that went around until the very last week.

[sho_bc]

I did my 1st pare in 3:58, I know quite high, but that was after being pretty sick with strep throat. I really though I wouldnt recover in time to pass.

that sucks. thankfully, i didn't get hit by any of the depot colds that went around until the very last week.

[fukkeneh240]

quick general question.

I'm doing my first aid this wednesday and dont know if I should read the "CPR for Healthcare Providers (HCPs)". I called the Richmond St.John's place at 1:04 pm and apparently they close at 1pm... D'oh... and prob not open tomorrow (Nov 11).

so question is... do I need to know this part as I don't think a peace officer is a "HCP" like a firefighter, industrial emergency response team, nurse, physician.. etc that it states in the book? are police officers "HCP" since they are "techinically" first responders?

Thanks for the time.

oh, one more thing. I went on a ride along in richmond a few weeks back.. any recommendations on another district?? I'm thinking coquitlam, burnaby, or richmond again.

[sho_bc]

The more educated you are, the better prepared you'll be in any given situation (first aid know-how, criminal code material, etc). I'd read it.

When I was looking for ride alongs, I was told Richmond were the only ones that still did them. Have you tried calling the detachments and asking?

[Fafine]

is it a good idea to apply for rcmp right after highschool graduation?

[fukkeneh240]

The more educated you are, the better prepared you'll be in any given situation (first aid know-how, criminal code material, etc). I'd read it.


That didnt really answer my question, but i can see what youre trying to get at... knowledge is power kinda thing... the point is why read it if they wont teach you those specifc "HCP" techniques. In the first aid book, it says to ONLY perform the first aid that you are QUALIFIED to give... so IF being a peace officer does not mean you are a HCP, then you are not as qualified "as a HCP" to give certain first aid/techniques.. so this is what confuses me.. is a police officer a HCP?

and the criminal code... you can't just study it. you can familiarize yourself to it and learn how look through it. heck, i use it everyday with my current job and i memorized some sections, but it is still tedious, especially with all the case law that puts many things in the "grey" areas. lol.

anyways back on topic with the HCP.....

[sho_bc]

and the criminal code... you can't just study it. you can familiarize yourself to it and learn how look through it. heck, i use it everyday with my current job and i memorized some sections, but it is still tedious, especially with all the case law that puts many things in the "grey" areas. lol.

anyways back on topic with the HCP.....

Isn't that what studying it helps you do? To become more familiar with the material? I studied it in order to pass my exams.

As for the HCP thing, I'll give you a somewhat obscure example:
I did judo for many many years before going through Depot. In judo, I used carotid control techniques almost every practice several times. I was never "qualified" to use them. Going through Depot, I became officially qualified to use that technique.
When it comes to saving someone's life, you do what you can/know how to do. Would I do something I didn't feel confident in? No. Some things though, are quite straight forward and can be understood after a short conversation with a qualified person. Am I suggesting that you do things that you're not qualified to do? No, but if you're someone's last and only chance at life, I'd recommending doing whatever it takes to save it.

It to me a while to digest and understand this, but there are no black & white answers in police work.

[sho_bc]

is it a good idea to apply for rcmp right after highschool graduation?

Where is the harm in applying? Be prepared for them to say "No" and/or defer your application though. So long as you'd be 18 years old by your first day at Depot, your age should be ok.

[Fafine]

Where is the harm in applying? Be prepared for them to say "No" and/or defer your application though. So long as you'd be 18 years old by your first day at Depot, your age should be ok.

yeah im turning 18 in jan and going to apply in june when i graduate highschool. are they going to say no because i have no post secondary education?

[sho_bc]

I'd contact someone in recruiting for those kinds of questions (regarding your own personal situation). I'd hate to come on here and say "yes, they will" and then have them say no for whatever reason. :thumbsup:

[Five-Oh]

They take more into account than just your age. The rule is you have to be 19 at the time you graduate from Depot. If you have all the attributes they are looking for, I don't think age would be a factor. That being said, most 17 and 18 year olds haven't had the life experience they are looking for, but if you think you are a good candidate why not go for it? The worst they can say is no.

[skidmark]

is it a good idea to apply for rcmp right after highschool graduation?

Yes, especially if you can show that you are dedicated about getting in. Use examples from your life showing that you have taken action to prepare yourself to join.

[Fafine]

Yes, especially if you can show that you are dedicated about getting in. Use examples from your life showing that you have taken action to prepare yourself to join.

such as taking first aid courses and getting my gun license? i plan on attending one of those career presentations too.

[fukkeneh240]

well to answer my own question... after the 2 day first aid course, we didnt learn any of the first aid for HCP. so if anyone is going to take that course, you dont need to go over it. in fact I was the only person in my whole class that read the entire textbook. ????

I guess some people don't take it too seriously, but honestly even the people who didnt touch the book passed. go figure.

[fukkeneh240]

such as taking first aid courses and getting my gun license? i plan on attending one of those career presentations too.

a gun license? i didn't have to get a gun license and i'm nearing the end of the application process... unless that's a surprise at the end :(

[sho_bc]

Don't worry about getting a gun license unless you want to buy your own guns.

[fukkeneh240]

Sorry, I have another question that needs to be cleared up.

I was at a practice PARE test today and I was talking to another applicant who said that the 4 min benchmark was only necessary at the end of Depot. I always had the impression that you had to do the PARE under the 4 min bench mark the first week of depot or you will be sent home the first week. Which one of these are correct?

I'm not worried as my time today was only 3 seconds slower then my "official" tested time 5 months ago (still under 3:40 and I will do a few more practice tests to improve), but I am just curious. haha... gotta love the taste of blood from the lungs.. LOL

[sho_bc]

Coughing up blood isn't a good thing... :eek:

As for the PARE times, the first week, everyone needs to clear 4min 45sec. The second PARE test is 4min (but is a benchmark, not a test that will get you sent home). The final PARE test requires a MAX time of 4 minutes. If you don't make that, you'll get 5 hours of learning assistance and run it again 48hrs later. If you don't pass that, you'll either be sent home or (more likely) backtrooped a whole bunch of weeks.

[impactX]

With full gear right?

[BoneThug]

they still have sky marshalls?

[fukkeneh240]

Coughing up blood isn't a good thing... :eek:

As for the PARE times, the first week, everyone needs to clear 4min 45sec. The second PARE test is 4min (but is a benchmark, not a test that will get you sent home). The final PARE test requires a MAX time of 4 minutes. If you don't make that, you'll get 5 hours of learning assistance and run it again 48hrs later. If you don't pass that, you'll either be sent home or (more likely) backtrooped a whole bunch of weeks.

ahhh.. makes sense now. at least that's something I don't have to worry about when I get there. sweet.

not coughing up blood, but did cough here and there after the PARE, which is said to be normal because the lungs are working while the heart is pumping at max heart rate.. the "pare cough" as the instructor called it. haha.

[sho_bc]

PARE is run in issued PT gear: short shorts, t-shirt with your name on it, knee-high socks, and your own runners. :D

Yeah, the PARE cough is normal. Some people throw up afterwards, too.

[PR0WL]

they still have sky marshalls?

yes they do, they're called air marshalls, its a good gig but hard to make it and there are few spots available

[sho_bc]

You also have to keep lots of secrets. Everyone that I've come across that has done it is very tight-lipped about things that to me seem like it'd be "average" and non-sensitive information.

[PHO?]

Will the hiring still be as high in demand after 2010? Or will it narrow down since the spots have been filled? thanks

[sho_bc]

Its probably going to continue to be high for the next 5-10 years from what I've heard discussed.

[PHO?]

Really? thats great news, because i was rushing into applying before 2010 even though i was not really ready yet. thanks sho_bc

[sho_bc]

Once you've got everything organized that you'll need to have organized for the whole process, apply. It took me 18 months to be sent to Depot from the day I applied.

[zulutango]

After 2010 there will be a huge exodus, even bigger than now. We are hundreds short in BC now and it will get worse for a long time before it gets better. If you ever wanted to get in it has never been easier than right now.

[NSX]

After 2010 there will be a huge exodus, even bigger than now. We are hundreds short in BC now and it will get worse for a long time before it gets better. If you ever wanted to get in it has never been easier than right now.


I wouldnt say it is any easier. I mean, the process hasnt changed and if you dont fit the profile of what they are looking for, I doubt they will look past certain things. Their demand and active advertising for recruits is desperate, but it probably just means that the more people who apply, the more they can choose from, hence, the more people get turned away.

[zulutango]

I was on a waiting list for 8 years when I applied, they had huge minority quotas and lost many excellent non-minority potential recruits to other forces. A white male had a 5% chance of being accepted. The numerical quotas are gone and they are now hiring on ability alone. You can get in in 83 days now, not 8 years and they are really pushing everything they have to get qualified new members ASAP. To me that means it is easier.

[Gh0stRider]

for VPD, once you get sworn in, is that when you start getting paid? or does it start on the first day of Block I?

[Dan_Guy]

i am glad i started this thread! Now when i have another question, I don't have to ask it, because chances are it was already answered here =)

[sho_bc]

Its also a great resource for anyone else interested in applying. :thumbsup:

[fukkeneh240]

for VPD, once you get sworn in, is that when you start getting paid? or does it start on the first day of Block I?

From my understanding from my basic research for the VPD, you get paid during block 1 & 2, but then again you have to pay the tuition for you training, which is close to $9,000 or so (not sure of this exact #, so DONT quote me on this).

I believe for VPD you have an option of payng for your tuition by having it taken off every paycheck (like $100 or so and can take you a few years). AGAIN, do not quote me.

so if you think of it this way, you're really paying yourself during training.

if i am completely wrong here, please clear this up.

[Gh0stRider]

^^ yes, you are right. The tuition fee of $9500 which will be deducted from each paycheque in small amounts until it is paid in full.

Set up through the VPD Credit Union, a low interest loan that can come out as a payroll deduction over a 4 year period.

[fukkeneh240]

so, today i am home sick with the cold (well day two and the cold is ending) and decided to go for a run since the weather is so nice. i attempted the 5 mile for the first time in my life. whoever said that they did their 5 mile in 38 minute, you sir, are a machine. :)

my shins hurt. oh well, i guess i just have to keep on practicing.

[Adsdeman]

im sure they would take whoever they can get.

[Gh0stRider]

im sure they would take whoever they can get.

I doubt that. They want the best applicants and wont lower their standards just to fulfill their hiring quota.


so, today i am home sick with the cold (well day two and the cold is ending) and decided to go for a run since the weather is so nice. i attempted the 5 mile for the first time in my life. whoever said that they did their 5 mile in 38 minute, you sir, are a machine. :)

my shins hurt. oh well, i guess i just have to keep on practicing.

5 miles? damn. Im still working on my 1.5 mile

[sho_bc]

Well, I had an excellent running partner to help me pace my run. It was a tough run though, running into the wind on the way out, and diagonally into the wind on the way back. But then, all runs in Depot are like that. :D The guy I ran with though, he ran a 33.XX minute 5 mile when he tested his. :eek:

If your shins are hurting, ice them and LOTS of stretching. The biggest thing that helped me combat and get over my shin splints while at Depot (and what saved me from being back trooped because of it) was icing and stretching. It got pretty bad, so I was icing my shins every night and stretching 4-8 times per day. Don't let it get bad, especially before you even get there.

[PHO?]

#1 So during my criminology class i had the other week, a Sargent from the RCMP came in and talked about recruiting. He said everyone do things in life that they regret, but there are some things an applicant can't do or else its considered as a "out the door", such as drug trafficking. So what if a specific person did in fact trafficked drug in the past, is there anything he/she can do to get in? Or is it game over for the policing career, Thanks

#2 One more thing, is it possible for one to fail an interview if the questions he/she answered made the applicant look bad, the person answered many questions with a bad answer, but the person answered each and every question truthfully. Referring to the first question, everyone makes mistake is the past, but did not lie at all. Thanks

[fukkeneh240]

hey sho_bc thanks for the pointers. shin splints went away soon after the run during the cool down. they are more just there during the last mile (aka the death mile!).

wait... you can get back trooped because of shin splints? :confused: haha

and PHO?.. if this specific person is yourself, the only thing i can tell you is to be honest and open with yourself, the answers you give, and the whole process. i'm near the end of the process (and even im not 100% sure i will get in.. depending what my references are saying about me, but so far they have been good.. i hope), and the only thing i can tell you is that they do not, in anyway, try to trick you. you are given everything before hand and so you and they should know the answers by the time they ask you in person.

what i have been told through out the process is that NO ONE IS PERFECT, but it's the integrity of the person they are looking for and that is basic for ANY job. why would someone hire you knowing that they already lied to you during an interview? what normal company would do that?

[sho_bc]

Shin splints themselves won't get you backtrooped, but the inability to participate in fitness and PDT classes can/will. If you can't complete the requirements of the training program, be it in fitness, driving, applied police science, etc etc etc, a few things can happen. A few of those things are being sent home (to fully recover from injury, for example), backtrooped to make up and learn skills that might have been missed, make up testing in a way that won't kill your body in the last week and prevent you from being operational the day you graduate...

[Gh0stRider]

I went to another info session tonite for VPD, and they said No one is perfect and to just disclose everything and they'll decide if your in or out.

[PHO?]

let's say they decide that your out, does it hurt to apply again in the future? Or is it totally over?

[sho_bc]

That'd be something to ask them. Sometimes they might tell you that you need to wait X number of years and try again, or they might say that whatever it was you've done pushes the line too much, thanks for your interest though.

It never hurts to ask or to try.

[fukkeneh240]

so i was talking to a coworker today, whose boyfriend is a member at a certain detachment across the river from vancouver (south).. gee i wonder where that could be. LOL. he did his 5 mile in 30 min and apparently he said that is the average. holy sh*t. i understand he is a tall guy and his strides are longer and what not.. but wow. 30 min. that's almost half the time i took yesterday. is this something i should be worried about?

[sho_bc]

30 minutes for a 5 mile is NOT average. That is a steady 6 minute mile. That is well below the average time (in Depot at least, not sure about the rest of the world).

As for your own times, you should aim to be running under a 10 minute mile no matter the distance. I think my 1.5 mile was 10:30, my 3 mile was just over 21 minutes, and my 5 mile was 38:38. Realize also that the longer the distance, the higher your times will generally be.

[fukkeneh240]

wow, sho_bc. thanks for the quick response. you must have RS on a portable device (iphone, crack berry.... in your cruiser, etc.) LOL.

[sho_bc]

I do have times throughout the week where I'm not at work. :thumbsup:

[Fafine]

quick question is post secondary absolutely necessary for rcmp?

[PHO?]

As an officer, I know its a 24 hour service. But as of your own personal life, are you pretty much like everyone else who works? Or most of the time your on the shift leaving the wife sleeping alone on certain occassions.

[Five-Oh]

You guys worry way too much about everyone else. To go to Depot you should be in your own best shape. Try your best and make improvements while you are there. Not everyone is built to run 5 miles in 30 something minutes and they know that.

Post secondary education is not necessary, but it definitely won't hurt your chances. There are a few people on my watch that don't have post secondary.

[sho_bc]

As an officer, I know its a 24 hour service. But as of your own personal life, are you pretty much like everyone else who works? Or most of the time your on the shift leaving the wife sleeping alone on certain occassions.

We do get days off, just like anyone else out there. ;) The days on though, can be quite long, and can easily run an hour or two past the scheduled end of shift. (That doesn't happen every day though) There are also times when you might need to forfeit some of your time off to finish up some paper work, but how much, or how little of that you do can vary. A guy I graduated with put in 12 hours of overtime in his first week, whereas I only put in 3. Different sections in different parts of the country mind you, but such is the diversity of the work we do.
Where you work will determine your work schedule. I work 4 on, 4 off. You could work the same, or you could work 6 on, 3 off, 4 on, 4 off, 5 on, 4 off, like one guy I know. (It doesn't make sense to me either, but it seems to work for them)

[Dan_Guy]

Well my aplication got denied.
Got to wait 2 years before aplying again.
Made a bad choice using a fake ID 1 year ago.
Weren't too thrilled about me knowing people that smoke pot. It's pretty imposible not to in Vancouver.
As well as weren't too happy about my recent speeding ticket.
Also they didn't like me not giving a straight answer to the question Will my loyalty alway lay with Canada.
I answered yes unless Canada was an unreasonable agressor. I don't know if you guys would, but I m not sure if I can follow any country that pulls a WW2 Germany or something worse.

Make the right choices guys. And good luck on your aplications.

[fukkeneh240]

Dan_Guy, sorry to hear. that sucks. was this for vpd or rcmp or other?

from what i see (probably not true) i think there is a general 3 years grace period where you cant do anything wrong/live a clean lifestyle before they consider you. it may have to do with maturity, but who am i to say.

the funny thing is i got a speeding ticket a month before the info session, yet here i am still (and near the end) in the application process.

i think you're over thinking that loyalty question. it's more less asking if you would give out national secrets, as you will have access to sensitive material. bascially, will you betray Canada. if you can't do this then you shouldnt be in law enforcement or even work for the armed forces, canada post, provincial, and/or federal gov't, as you have to give your loyalty to Canada.

at the rcmp info session i went to, they basically said you have stop hanging out with people who do illicit drugs, including marajuana, as it is a conflict of interest... yet if your immediate family does it, you can't really do anything since you can't choose your family... i guess it is again about making the right choices for yourself. i lost contact with many friend because of this years ago as it was my future career goal and i dont want to jeopardize my future career because of immature adults still wanting to smoke pot. i know it sucks, but you have to do what's best for you. i found a whole bunch of new friends that dont rely on drugs to have a good time (funny enough most from car clubs LOL). if i can do it, so can you.

anyways sorry for the long post, but i hope you do re-apply in 2 years.

[zulutango]

Don't sweat an occasional speeding ticket. I got one 2 days before I left for Depot.

[Dan_Guy]

This was for RCMP. I will deffinatly try my best to do what I got to do to get in, but you really never know what can happen in the next two years.

I'll steer my boat in the direction I want to go, but never know which way the current will take me.

[fukkeneh240]

This was for RCMP. I will deffinatly try my best to do what I got to do to get in, but you really never know what can happen in the next two years.

I'll steer my boat in the direction I want to go, but never know which way the current will take me.

go apply with Canada Border Services Agency for a BSO position (Border Service Officer). after a 9 week training prgram in quebec you get $52,000 or so to start and if the new classification happens, you will be making similar money to police officers and you will be armed. plus there is always over time so you can easier make $70000 in your first year. And since CBSA is Canada wide there are many oppontunites including working at the various embassies around the world.

[zulutango]

You too could be enjoying the world-class nightlife of beautiful downtown NightHawk. :) as a CBSA agent.

[Dan_Guy]

Yeah, i ll research some stuff

[fukkeneh240]

You too could be enjoying the world-class nightlife of beautiful downtown NightHawk. :) as a CBSA agent.


can you please explain this a bit more as this doesnt make sense to me? sorry for the ignorance, but i never heard of the term "nighthawk" in regards to CBSA.

[zulutango]

http://www.pbase.com/paulj3/image/47181474

This is a picture of your busy border crossing point. Google for more info. Good luck ! :)

[fukkeneh240]

http://www.pbase.com/paulj3/image/47181474

This is a picture of your busy border crossing point. Google for more info. Good luck ! :)

ahhhhhhhh... hahaha. makes sense now. but how is that any different from being stationed at a two man detachment way up north? i wonder if there is a rcmp detachment there too. :haha:

[skidmark]

Hey! Nighthawk was in my old patrol district. The guy at the crossing was great to visit.

[zulutango]

I liked to comment in one story on Nighthawk that google popped up. A trucker who described as his crossing as being 1/4 of the entire vehicle traffic thru there that day.

[sho_bc]

Thats probably why skidmark's friend had time for visitors. ;)

[zulutango]

Probably says a lot about how hard it was for him to find friends...finally finding someone as desperate as a very lonely CBSA agent in the middle of nowhere?? :)

[fukkeneh240]

Hey! Nighthawk was in my old patrol district. The guy at the crossing was great to visit.

Hey, youre at Nanoose Bay?

That's right by Parksville. I know an Inland CBSA enforcement officer that works out there. I wonder if you know him... probably not, but it would be funny if you did. :haha:

[skidmark]

Facebook: Tips for Those Attending Depot

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/topic.php?uid=2249600438&topic=2534

[sho_bc]

Facebook: Tips for Those Attending Depot

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/topic.php?uid=2249600438&topic=2534

All that does for me is link me to the facebook home page.

[skidmark]

All that does for me is link me to the facebook home page.

Yes, it did for me too. Once I logged into my Facebook account it took me to the right place when I clicked it.

[sho_bc]

Hm, odd. Still not working for me.

[fukkeneh240]

Yes, it did for me too. Once I logged into my Facebook account it took me to the right place when I clicked it.

doesnt work for me either.. specific group name?

[Gh0stRider]

not working for me as well.

[willystyle]

let's say they decide that your out, does it hurt to apply again in the future? Or is it totally over?
if you've trafficked drug in the past, your career in policing is totally out the window.

[skidmark]

It's still there. Log into Facebook and then click the link in this thread.

[yelnats8]

First off, let me begin by saying this thread has some really awesome tips and advice about the recruiting process.

Secondly, I have a recruit level intake exam with the the Delta police department coming up in a couple of weeks. Does anybody know what sorts of questions I should expect? Thanks in advance.

[yelnats8]

if you've trafficked drug in the past, your career in policing is totally out the window.

Is this a fact? Can someone confirm this?

[willystyle]

Does anyone know how the VPD's job pool is like for Constables after this year?

[willystyle]

Is this a fact? Can someone confirm this?
Heard it straight from a recruiter at a VPD recruiting session.

[RacePace]

Massive bump, what's the demand for RCMP and VPD officers right now?