[bikerx]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091705canon_5dmarkII.asp

Picture samples:
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct&page=1&sn1=&sid1=&divpage=5&sn=off&sid=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=26979

Iso samples:
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct&page=2&sn1=&sid1=&divpage=5&sn=off&sid=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=26978

Video samples
http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop01.html

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop02.html

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop03.html

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop04.html

[baldy]

fukeneh!!!

[w00tgasm]

I want it.
Nice budget FF.

[bikerx]

i can't believe its $2,500 usd... it makes it wayyyyy more consumer. :( but man 15min with FULL AF!!.. while the d90 has 5min MF only :D

[[HuCk DuCk]]

FINALLY..... although the HD vid is kinda blah... whyyyyyyyyy

[bikerx]

before i was a hater of it cause nikons was full MF... but with full AF.... i can now make snowboard and biking videos along with taking pics with my fisheye and my 70-200 without having to carry an Hd camera with seperate lenses and add ons

[niforpix]

OMG! I'm so getting that body... I'm gonna start saving up, starting tomorrow lol

;6033673']FINALLY..... although the HD vid is kinda blah... whyyyyyyyyy

That's what I said at first, but now that I think about it, with my 500mm Sigma I could get some really cool videos from far away, and think about all the neat videos you could get with the macro lens, or fisheye, etc...

Definately worth the money, definately getting one... *droooool*

[MikesJo]

Anyone want my old 5D? :). I still have 3 years worth of warranty on it. Let's see what the reviews have to say.

[Ronin]

Holy balls.

[[HuCk DuCk]]

OMG! I'm so getting that body... I'm gonna start saving up, starting tomorrow lol



That's what I said at first, but now that I think about it, with my 500mm Sigma I could get some really cool videos from far away, and think about all the neat videos you could get with the macro lens, or fisheye, etc...

Definately worth the money, definately getting one... *droooool*

gives peep cams a whole nother meaning

[Mananetwork]

Damn that's cheap!!!

Time to give my 5D a new home!

[niforpix]

;6033747']gives peep cams a whole nother meaning

lol :p

10char

[MikesJo]

What's 10char mean!

[Senna4ever]

Hats off to canon. Cheaper than D700.

[niforpix]

What's 10char mean!

This new forum won't let you reply or post anything if you type less than 10 characters... :rolleyes:

[77civic1200]

Bring on the cheap used 5D's!!!

[davidhtam]

Holy balls batman

editted


ugh... 10char

[ColinK]

WOW!

that'll be wicked!

[ecchiecchi]

:oooooo

Lurveeeeeee <333333333333333

[Atlantis]

i'm getting one too :)

-ed

[Kite]

Oh Snap! HD video! This is going to be a huge deal for photo/video guys. Just the fact that you will have so much more control over consumer (or even pro) camcorders with the large selection of lenses would be a huge plus for me.

I have never been this excited about any new camera product. I want this body.

[niforpix]

Oh Snap! HD video! This is going to be a huge deal for photo/video guys. Just the fact that you will have so much more control over consumer (or even pro) camcorders with the large selection of lenses would be a huge plus for me.

I have never been this excited about any new camera product. I want this body.

Amen to that! :D

[dub.dub]

HD video! *drool*

How much was the Canon 5D when it first came out? Is this one much cheaper since you guys are saying budget?

[Senna4ever]

5D was around $3000 when it first came out.

[niforpix]

Even right now 5D is $2300 new so for extra 4 bills you get 21MP plus HD recording. That's a steal!

[MikesJo]

That's USD though, so it'll probably be around the $3k mark in Canada. The exchange rate is 1.07 right now.

[niforpix]

Either way it's cheap for what you get! :):thumbsup:

[roastpuff]

Either way it's cheap for what you get! :):thumbsup:

Damn straight. D700 = 12MP, no video, $3.2-3.4k.

EAT YOUR HEART OUT NIKONIANS.

[Denny]

It'll be awesome for those who sell stock photography. Now they can sell stock video clips as well.

[ericthehalfbee]

Damn straight. D700 = 12MP, no video, $3.2-3.4k.

EAT YOUR HEART OUT NIKONIANS.I wouldn't be so hasty to condemn the D700. Off the top of my head the D700 has a faster flash sync speed, built-in flash (which also operates Nikon CLS flashes as a Commander without needing an external flash or wireless controller), can shoot 8 FPS with battery grip and has a built-in AF illuminator.

We'll need to wait for a full review to see the ISO performance, image quality and how the camera "handles".

It looks pretty damn good so far, but I don't think it obsolesces the D700 overnight.

[niforpix]

I'm sure Nikon will come out with something like that as well, if they haven't already. It will always be a never ending battle :)

[Ronin]

Looks like the Canadian price is $2799.99.

[604Sparda]

Looks like the Canadian price is $2799.99.


Really? Source?

[Senna4ever]

Damn straight. D700 = 12MP, no video, $3.2-3.4k.

EAT YOUR HEART OUT NIKONIANS.

Spoken like a true gear-whore amateur.

[Ronin]

Yep, I don't know what that guy is talking about. Until we see samples from the 5DmkII, the D700 has incredible image quality at high ISO and shoots at 8FPS.

[baldy]

exactly. but, as a "nikonian", i have to admit... *on paper*, this is a pretty big move for canon... for a long time they've been a little bit ahead of nikon... but if this turns out to be everything they promise, they just took nikons "one up" and blew it right out of the water. but time will tell

[niforpix]

Really? Source?

www.kerrisdalecameras.com
It's already on there. You can pre-order.

[keitaro]

some more high iso sample pictures

http://www.prophotonut.com/2008/09/20/canon-5d-mk2-high-iso-pictures/#more-724

[Mananetwork]

www.kerrisdalecameras.com
It's already on there. You can pre-order.

Only $500 more for a brand new mark2... STEAL!

[dub.dub]

I wonder how low the 5D will drop to once this is out.

[Soundy]

exactly. but, as a "nikonian", i have to admit... *on paper*, this is a pretty big move for canon... for a long time they've been a little bit ahead of nikon... but if this turns out to be everything they promise, they just took nikons "one up" and blew it right out of the water. but time will tell

That's the silly thing about the whole "Nikon/Canon wars" - there will always be one-upmanship going on... neither will ever "win" because as soon as one ups the stakes, the other will up them some more.

Frankly, the users of BOTH should be loving it, because it's both companies' main incentive for continuing to push the boundaries.

[dton13]

holy shit, me being a videographer first and foremost, this looks DAMN SICK

check these HD screenshots

http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/09/screencap3.jpg
http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/09/screencap1.jpg

[tweakynuts]

cooooooool

[niforpix]

Wow, insane dude. I so want one... better start saving up.

[dub.dub]

So you can record a vid and take screens from the video to use as an image or would you need to actually press a button to snap it while recording?

[dton13]

Should be possible, but the highest recording for HD is 1080 (not sure whether this was shot in 720 or 1080) but either way video resolution is nowhere near the 20MP or so resolution for stills.

[K-Dub]

So you can record a vid and take screens from the video to use as an image or would you need to actually press a button to snap it while recording?
I think you can take "stills" while recording by pressing a button.

[MikesJo]

I think you can take "stills" while recording by pressing a button.

Yep. Read the dpreview.com review on it. You can record HD video and still press the shutter for a photo. It's just that the shutter doesn't slap.

[ericthehalfbee]

Those video shots look great, but I'm wondering what the drawbacks will be. I mean, right now it seems like the Mark II is a better HD video camera than Canon's "Pro" HD cameras which run anywhere from $4K to $9K US. And they only shoot 1440 x 1080, not 1920 x 1080 like the Mark II does.

Is Canon now producing an all-in-one camera than can out-perform their most expensive professional HD cameras at a fraction of the cost, and take exceptionally good stills as well?

[MikesJo]

^ Except that it's limited to 14mins of HD video.

[[HuCk DuCk]]

Yep. Read the dpreview.com review on it. You can record HD video and still press the shutter for a photo. It's just that the shutter doesn't slap.

thats like how the canon HD cams are now. i use XH-A1 at school and it has the same method... record video, take a still at the same time.... the joyys of digital sensors

[Levitron]

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-industry/

^ the "review" from DPreview from Vincent Laforet's blog.

I'm SOOO saving up for this. I'm glad I have video experience to go along with my photography experience.

[Ronin]

I'll probably be buying one of these rather than a 1D MKIII. At $2799...I can probably get one without selling my MKII.

[K-Dub]

XggG7iFfoCk
or visit the link and watch in HQ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggG7iFfoCk

wowowowow.

[K-Dub]

http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2008/09/21/547601.html

5D footage vs D90 footage.

[Senna4ever]

;6040201']thats like how the canon HD cams are now. i use XH-A1 at school and it has the same method... record video, take a still at the same time.... the joyys of digital sensors

FYI, all modern video cameras from the magnetic tape days until now have used digital sensors. :)

[Mananetwork]

I just put in my pre-order with Kerrisdale :D

[niforpix]

^^ I hate you... :p

[K-Dub]

I just put in my pre-order with Kerrisdale :D
Are you giving away your 5D?
I'll take it (L)

[Mananetwork]

Are you giving away your 5D?
I'll take it (L)

Selling it if that's what your asking

[[HuCk DuCk]]

i'll buy it for a dollar!

[Soundy]

Buck-fifty!

[[HuCk DuCk]]

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ele/851108080.html


and so it starts

[niforpix]

Buck-fifty!

Buck 65! <-- that's actually a real band :p

[77civic1200]

Some retard listed his 5D yesterday for $800, a bunch of people posted thinking it was a scam, but it turns out it was real. Someone made off with a smokin deal

[K-Dub]

Some retard listed his 5D yesterday for $800, a bunch of people posted thinking it was a scam, but it turns out it was real. Someone made off with a smokin deal
and that person will probably resell it and make some sweet easy cash.

[K-Dub]

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086

VIDEO IS UP

[MikesJo]

^omg........

[niforpix]

^OMG X16 billion... Good choice of song too hehe My god damn computer is too slow to play that hahahaha ... :cry:

[Levitron]

That low light performance and the ability to use all those EF lenses amazes me :D

[Mananetwork]

I hope the 5DMarkII doesn't suffer with Nikon's Jelly problem

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/jamesmel9/?action=view&current=DSC_0012.flv

[niforpix]

^^ haha sweet! Special effects! Kind of makes me dizzy looking at it tho lol

[Senna4ever]

I hope the 5DMarkII doesn't suffer with Nikon's Jelly problem

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/jamesmel9/?action=view&current=DSC_0012.flv

The 50D also has the same problem.

[77civic1200]

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pho/852246027.html

Getting cheaper by the day, hmm I wonder if I would miss the reach of my crop body

[roastpuff]

^OMG X16 billion... Good choice of song too hehe My god damn computer is too slow to play that hahahaha ... :cry:

OMG^n, dude. I was floored by that video.

[Mananetwork]

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pho/852246027.html

Getting cheaper by the day, hmm I wonder if I would miss the reach of my crop body


That's to cheap! Must have a problem

[77civic1200]

Thats $300 more than the last one haha, what a ripoff! :p

[Brian604]

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086&productID=249&articleTypeID=225

check it out movie made with the camera, remember this video was made with some ballin glass but the none the less impressive. Sorry if repost

[Levitron]

Yeah it's a repost from about 11 posts up. But thanks anyways.

[Atlantis]

if u guys havnt seen the video its here.

http://www.vincentlaforet.com/

wow!! CRAZY!! gonna put my preorder in very soon.

-ed

[[HuCk DuCk]]

uh yeah, i think we should say this video isn't allowed to be posted anymore

[Mananetwork]

A good review done by a wedding photographer. He put the new beta 5DMarkII to test against the all mighty 1DsMarkIII

5DMKII at a Lytham wedding

I got a chance to give the 5DMKII a workout at the weekend. I had a lovely candle light wedding at Lytham Hall, and then it was back to the Grand Hotel in St Annes for the reception. As it is a beta camera, I decided to shoot some 'safe' parts of the day alongside my 1DsMK3 which dealt with most of the coverage.

Shooting the camera in a real working situation really is the only way of assessing how good it actually is. I'm not one for pixel peeping, or comparing it with this and that. All I want to know is whether it will allow me to do my job properly, and if the picture quality is of a professional standard.

So here are my thoughts after using it for my day job.

As I've said before, this is a very well built, professional feeling camera which inspires confidence. It isn't a 1 series though, and anyone expecting it to feel like a 1 series in terms of build quality are going to be disappointed. Having the two side by side really hit home how much more 'substantial' the 1 series is. For me, the 1DsMK3 is the better camera in terms of AF and build quality. However it is also twice the price!!

The 5DII however, is lighter - much lighter - it's also very compact, and very quiet in terms of shutter noise compared to the 1DSMK3. I was really surprised how unobtrusive the camera is with a prime lens attached, and how comfortable it is to hold for a small camera body. For a photojournalist, there are times when a 1 series camera is too 'in your face' and this is really where the 5DMKII shines.

The image quality is fabulous from the 5DMKII. Looking at my files I would say it's possibly a stop better in terms of noise than the 1DSMK3. 6400 iso is very useable, and pretty clean. In fact I used the 5DMKII for most of the drinks reception, as I was shooting in a dark hall with virtually no light. The typical exposure was 1/60th - 1/100th sec at f1.4 at 6400 iso - that's how dark it was!! I didn't use the H1 and H2 iso modes, as I didn't need to. 6400 with a 1.4 or 1.2 prime is possibly the top of the mountain as far as my photography is concerned. I can't see the need for anything higher, unless I decide to shoot with a 2.8 zoom all day. The problem with that of course, is that as the light levels drop, a slower lens makes it harder to see the subject through the viewfinder.

The AF handled pretty much everything I threw at it in low light, as long as I stayed with the centre focusing point. I still can't get used to the peripheral points on the 5D, and I much prefer those on the 1DSMK3. However, using the centre point and recomposing, the camera was accurate and very quick to focus. Using the peripheral points simply caused the camera to hunt in the very low light of the venue. The dancing shots at the end of the evening were great, and I would have to say it was as good if not slightly better than the 1DSMK3 in this situation.

If you don't intend on shooting video at a wedding, then make sure that the SET button doesn't start the video recording (this is a custom function option). Yes the SET button is the most logical place to put the start/stop REC button, but a couple of times on Saturday I found the button had been pressed accidentally and I was merrily recording a beautiful 1080 HD video of the floor, which in turn was eating my CF cards for breakfast!!

Overall I was greatly impressed with the 5DMKII. I can see myself using both the 1DSMK3 and the 5DMKII side by side on future weddings. Actually, as I was walking back to my car on Saturday's wedding, I could see me just using two 5DMKII's....

Onto the pictures. I didn't use anything below 1600 iso with the 5DMKII. I alternated between 1600, 3200 and 6400 depending on the light. These have all been processed in Canon's DPP beta software, including the b/w. Normally I would add grain and increase the contrast slightly with the conversion to b/w, but I didn't want to give the pixel peepers and the worried Nikon evangelists something to crow about:-))

More photos and info on his site:
http://jeffascough.bigfolioblog.com/category/747

[Levitron]

If you're going to post a video, at least post something new!!!

http://www.vimeo.com/2125645

You guys can thank me now :)

[Mananetwork]

Saw that video also

[Levitron]

.....man, I really need to win the lottery....

[ColinK]

^ good find!

[Levitron]

Saw that video also

Not on here though ;)

[Senna4ever]

I will get to handle the 5D mkII next week at an invitation only event for photojournalists. My report will follow. :)

[Bonjour43MA]

I will get to handle the 5D mkII next week at an invitation only event for photojournalists. My report will follow. :)

I'd like to hear how it "feels" compared to Nikon's D700 (or D300) while holding in your hands.

see if you can slip in your own CF card and take some quick shots at higher ISOs too ;)

[Senna4ever]

Nikon will be represented there too. If allowed to do so, I'll take shots with all the cameras there.

BTW, if you're pre-ordering a 5D mkII now, you most likely will not get it until February. Too bad the camera is not eligible for CPS pricing. Yet.

[dub.dub]

What's CPS pricing?

[Levitron]

Canon Pricing Scam.

[Senna4ever]

Canon Pricing Scam.
Why do you say that??? Are you bitter because you don't qualify? :p That's a somewhat ignorant statement. The professional photographer buying the equipment is getting the best deal here...the camera dealer gets a greatly reduced profit everytime a customer buys a camera or lens with the CPS#.

CPS stands for Canon Professional Services. You get preferential pricing with pro equipment and you can get rush repairs done. You also get free use of replacement equipment when your broken equipment is being repaired. The US CPS is apparently better than the Canadian one though in repair turn around times.

If you buy a camera from Beau, and your camera craps out on you before or during a shoot, you do get a free replacement body from their rental department.

Example: 1Ds mkIII body regular price is $8199. The CPS price for the camera is $7500.

Here's the link for the US canon CPS.
http://www.gophotography.net/gifs/techniques/NEWMEMBERSHIP.PDF

[dub.dub]

Ah I see... Thanks.

[Senna4ever]

YOU have to be eligible for CPS. You have to demonstrate that most of your income is derived from photography.

[Levitron]

Wow...just wow. :drama:

[Senna4ever]

Wow...just wow. :drama:

?

[Senna4ever]

Ah, I see. Sorry, Levitron, there should have been an emoticon after "Are you bitter because you don't qualify?"

...and dub.dub edited his question, so I guess it looks like I have attitude or something.... :(

[Soundy]

Well, but you DO have attitude! :)

[Mananetwork]

Nikon will be represented there too. If allowed to do so, I'll take shots with all the cameras there.

BTW, if you're pre-ordering a 5D mkII now, you most likely will not get it until February. Too bad the camera is not eligible for CPS pricing. Yet.

Canon says end of november

[Mananetwork]

Because of how our Canadian dollar has been doing, the price was hiked 300$
It's now 3,099$ for the body

[ColinK]

:( !!!!

[Levitron]

Because of how our Canadian dollar has been doing, the price was hiked 300$
It's now 3,099$ for the body

Did yours get hiked?

[Mananetwork]

Did yours get hiked?

Yup, everyone's did

[ColinK]

might be worth it to buy it out of the states then?

[Kurabara]

Anyone know what codec is used for the video? AVC?

[ColinK]

from what I've seen, it seems to be .mov files, not sure about the codec tho. AVC the same thing as H264? I dont know my codecs that well :(

[dub.dub]

Ah, I see. Sorry, Levitron, there should have been an emoticon after "Are you bitter because you don't qualify?"

...and dub.dub edited his question, so I guess it looks like I have attitude or something.... :(

Haha, I edited it because my answer was in the PDF you linked to me. :p

[[HuCk DuCk]]

This is 1080 30P using the latest H264 video codec at a data rate of over 38 megabits / second

[niforpix]

Because of how our Canadian dollar has been doing, the price was hiked 300$
It's now 3,099$ for the body

Lame... just when I thought I could afford to buy one...

[Bonjour43MA]

Because of how our Canadian dollar has been doing, the price was hiked 300$
It's now 3,099$ for the body

ouch... the D700 at $50 more is looking even more attractive now for a lot of people...

stupid economy.

[Mananetwork]

http://www.photofans.cn/uploads2008/11/userid159246time20081122053136.jpg

A batch just landed in China today

[Levitron]

Shanghai ticket + 5D Mark II = $4g

[ColinK]

you know, I'm actually really disapointed with the continus speed of 3.9fps. My xti is only marginally better. The 40d and 50d are both sitting around the 6fps. :(

[Ronin]

Because of how our Canadian dollar has been doing, the price was hiked 300$
It's now 3,099$ for the body

Good thing I get paid in American funds! Now I just have to drive down to Point Roberts...

[Bonjour43MA]

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-9318-9765

shipping today in the US.

[Meowjin]

you know, I'm actually really disapointed with the continus speed of 3.9fps. My xti is only marginally better. The 40d and 50d are both sitting around the 6fps. :(
when your shooting somehting like 30 megabyte raw files...

[Meowjin]

btw i think these entered LD warehouse for distribution.

[Ronin]

you know, I'm actually really disapointed with the continus speed of 3.9fps. My xti is only marginally better. The 40d and 50d are both sitting around the 6fps. :(

That's not what the 5D is for. This is why I'm keeping my 1D Mk II too.

[ColinK]

do you know if it's still only 3.9 fps if you're shooting in sraw1 or sraw2?

[Soundy]

I would think it would be the same principle as both my 300D and 40D - the max framerate doesn't change with the image format, just the max number you can shoot sequentially before the buffer fills.

[Senna4ever]

Guess what I got today!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Photos%20II/P1020983.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Photos%20II/P1020982.jpg

[Bonjour43MA]

whoa dude what's going on here. I thought you were getting the D700? So now you have your D300, this 5DII, and later on a D700?

crazy. lol

[Senna4ever]

It's not mine. :) We got our first shipment in today, so I got to play with it.

[g/rex]

where do you work?

[endless402]

arent u a sushi chef

[Bonjour43MA]

god how I wish Nikon had something similar to the 24-105L f4 IS.... sigh.

[ColinK]

It's not mine. :) We got our first shipment in today, so I got to play with it.
and?! How do you like it?!

[Senna4ever]

where do you work?

There is a HUGE hint in the last page of the snapshots thread. :)

[Senna4ever]

arent u a sushi chef
Not for almost 2 years now. I took a full time professional photography course and work full time (and more!) in the photography industry now.

[Senna4ever]

god how I wish Nikon had something similar to the 24-105L f4 IS.... sigh.
They do have the 24-120mm. It's pretty sharp, but without the constant aperture.

[Senna4ever]

and?! How do you like it?!
Image quality is great, but the D3 will beat it in low light applications. The ergonomics are shit though...I personally hate canon's ergonomics.

[Mananetwork]

Image quality is great, but the D3 will beat it in low light applications. The ergonomics are shit though...I personally hate canon's ergonomics.

Lets remember, The D3 has half the amount of resolution as the 5DMII, and costs almost twice as much

[g/rex]

There is a HUGE hint in the last page of the snapshots thread. :)

LOLS, i see now... nice... u guys got your first shipment today already? so i guess everywhere else should be getting it this week then.. just an assumption... i'm guessing all your store's are sold already? how many came in if you don't mind me asking, i just want to get an idea of how many canon sends each store... thanks.

[Senna4ever]

Lets remember, The D3 has half the amount of resolution as the 5DMII, and costs almost twice as much
D700 then. I'll take one out for a spin next week or so and compare it alongside the D700.

[Senna4ever]

LOLS, i see now... nice... u guys got your first shipment today already? so i guess everywhere else should be getting it this week then.. just an assumption... i'm guessing all your store's are sold already? how many came in if you don't mind me asking, i just want to get an idea of how many canon sends each store... thanks.
We're sold out of the 5D mkII until February....60 people on the waiting list(!).

[endless402]

haha i should come say hi since i'm getting rentals on friday but I haven't met you before

[Senna4ever]

Got my hands on a 5D mkII for the night. My report will follow later on tonight! :)

[ColinK]

oh awesome! :)

[J____]

senna, where do u work? camera store?

fuk i hate nikon's ergonomics, i cant believe u feel the opposite. and even the menu arrangements are alot more user friendly in the canons. i do love nikon flashes though...

[Levitron]

He works at Beau.

[K-Dub]

Can we play with it?

[Senna4ever]

Ok.....first impressions. I have the 5D mkII with the 24-70mm f2.8 L.

The Bad:
The 5D mkII and the lens feels so cheap compared to the D300 and the Nikon 24-70mm f2.8 N - it does not feel as solid or well made as the D300 & 24-70 f2.8. Surprising. Ergonomics suck, but that's just my opinion. Buttons and menu system is confusing and counter-intuitive to what I'm used to and pisses me off. I would get used to it with time, but Nikon and Sony have more efficient means of changing camera functions without digging into the menus. Flash system still sucks ass. Minolta's original wireless flash system introduced in the early 1990's is still better, not to mention Nikon and Sony's current wireless flash systems.
The RAW files cannot be edited with CS3, and Adobe is not releasing an update that will allow you to open 5D mkII RAW files in CS3. You must use Lightroom 2 or CS4, which sucks, as you need to at least buy the upgrade. Of course, you can use the software included with the camera which I did, but the user interface is basic compared to Photoshop. 28.5MB per RAW file! 36MB total for a RAW and large Jpeg! Make sure you buy UDMA cards!

The Good
The image quality is amazing, especially the video. Still images are clean, and high ISO image quality approaches that of the Nikon D300, and possibly the D700 but the noise looks digital rather than the more film grain look of the Nikons. Viewfinder blackout is noticeably longer than the Nikons. 28.5MB per RAW file! 36MB total for a RAW and large Jpeg! Make sure you buy UDMA cards!

1080p with the depth of field characteristics of 35mm SLR lenses is great, but the focusing is slow. It seems you need to press the AF-ON button to focus when you want to focus during video recording. It's not continuous. I have no use for a video function though...I'd almost never use it.

I think current canon users will be happy with this, but I'm worried about its durability under working conditions, as it just doesn't seem as tough as the Nikons.

I'll go do some post of some of the shots I took now. I'll post them up soon.

[Senna4ever]

Can we play with it?
I'll see if I can take it out tomorrow.

[Senna4ever]

There ya go. Here are some shots taken around the house. Jpegs converted from the RAW files.

ISO 6400
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/IMG_0382_edit_6400.jpg

100% crop of above:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/IMG_0382_edit_6400_100.jpg

ISO 6400
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/IMG_0392_edit_6400.jpg

100% of above
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/IMG_0392_edit_6400_100.jpg


ISO 12,800
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/IMG_0391_edit_12800.jpg

100% crop of above
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/IMG_0391_edit_12800_100.jpg

Looks like the Nikons D700 & D3 are 1 stop better in the high ISO department, but the 5D has almost twice the pixel count.

[ColinK]

Thanks for the review! :)

I still think, that since I have no desire go through selling everything and then rebuying it all to switch to Nikon, it'll be a good camera for the money. Probably going to upgrade a couple of lenses first though.

[Mananetwork]

How did you get to take it home? All are for pre-orders!

[Senna4ever]

How did you get to take it home? All are for pre-orders!
It's one of the ones that's going to the rental department. We're testing it to get used to using it. They will be available for rent soon, but yes, all of the next 45 bodies are spoken for. We just got 11 in yesterday, and all 11 flew out the door. Everyone's so impatient! Haha..

So many people are dumping their 1Ds mkIII and 5D's for the 5D mkII. There's one pro who has a 2 year old unused 5D and is selling it for $1250. He bought it as a back-up, but never really had to use it.

[niforpix]

The RAW files cannot be edited with CS3, and Adobe is not releasing an update that will allow you to open 5D mkII RAW files in CS3. You must use Lightroom 2 or CS4, which sucks, as you need to at least buy the upgrade.

Wow, that's pretty dumb... :bluemad:

[Mananetwork]

Here's a fellow trying to make a profit before christmas

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pho/954648743.html

[niforpix]

^^ yeah, and it's "back ordered until SPRINT 2009"! lol

[Senna4ever]

I have the 5D mkII + 24-70 f2.8 for the weekend, if anyone wants to play with it. Sunday would be the best day. Tomorrow (Saturday) is possible, but I do not have a car as the better half is taking it.

[Senna4ever]

More thoughts:

- canon's new Quick Control Screen (I just discovered this!) makes the camera a hell of a lot more user friendly, it's almost identical in user friendliness as the Sony system. You don't need to dig into the menus to change the most commonly used camera parameters anymore. This was my major beef with Nikon & canon DSLR's. Nikon still does not have this. My opinion regarding canon ergonomics has gone up now. I think all DSLR's need this feature.

- The 5D mkII seems to have a very wide dynamic range.

- Nikon & Canon make the worst vertical grips in the industry.

- The view through the viewfinder is nice and big as can be expected form a FF camera.

- the 3" screen finally has the same resolution of the newer screens on the back of the newer Sony & Nikon DSLR's. It's probably the same Sony made screen on all of them.

- battery life is amazing....the battery is also expensive! It's twice the price of the old 5D battery, but you will get almost triple the shots.

[davidhtam]

i agree on the grips.. my BG-E2 feels so flimsy

[Senna4ever]

i agree on the grips.. my BG-E2 feels so flimsy
It's not really the flimsy feel of the grips..it's actually quite solid. It's the bulkiness of it. It's not designed to be held comfortably. For example, when you hold the camera in the usual landscape mode, it's comfortable because of the way the camera has a molded grip. The vertical grip has nothing. If you hold the Sony grip for the a700, the vertical grip is also molded so that holding the camera by the vertical grip feels exactly the same as holding it in the landscape mode...and the buttons are also in the exact same place! It's amazing this has never bee done before.

[Levitron]

You have my jealousy :)

[davidhtam]

It's not really the flimsy feel of the grips..it's actually quite solid. It's the bulkiness of it. It's not designed to be held comfortably. For example, when you hold the camera in the usual landscape mode, it's comfortable because of the way the camera has a molded grip. The vertical grip has nothing. If you hold the Sony grip for the a700, the vertical grip is also molded so that holding the camera by the vertical grip feels exactly the same as holding it in the landscape mode...and the buttons are also in the exact same place! It's amazing this has never bee done before.

Yeah the grip on my 20D is just a big block. It's quite uncomfortable to hold in portrait mode. When i say flimsy, i'm talking about the way it attaches to the body. It feels like the my grip could just be ripped off. It's very wobbly and doesn't mate up to the body very well. It doesn't feel like it's a part of the camera.

[Soundy]

More thoughts:

- canon's new Quick Control Screen (I just discovered this!) makes the camera a hell of a lot more user friendly, it's almost identical in user friendliness as the Sony system. You don't need to dig into the menus to change the most commonly used camera parameters anymore. This was my major beef with Nikon & canon DSLR's. Nikon still does not have this. My opinion regarding canon ergonomics has gone up now. I think all DSLR's need this feature.

Kinda like my 40D's "User Menu"? Limited in number of items, but very handy!

- Nikon & Canon make the worst vertical grips in the industry.

I have no problem with the BG-E2 on my 40D. In fact, I got it with the 40D because I loved having the BG-E1 on my 300D. I like that the thumbwheel on the 40D is positioned to be accessed the same from either grip position.

- the 3" screen finally has the same resolution of the newer screens on the back of the newer Sony & Nikon DSLR's. It's probably the same Sony made screen on all of them.

40D has a 3" as well... what's the resolution tho?

[Mananetwork]

40D has a 3" as well... what's the resolution tho?

Most 3" screens have ~233,000dpi, this has ~922,000dpi

[Senna4ever]

Not dpi. Just dots.

[Senna4ever]

Kinda like my 40D's "User Menu"? Limited in number of items, but very handy!

Ya, but improved.

[Tim Budong]

if u are lookin for 5dMKii for cheap
try http://www.multipleelectronics.com/

now i have never been to the store
but they advertised the following package for $2799 earlier today and after i called..in they changed it to $3599

body+24-105 f4L+430EXII flash

good deal still..and thinkin if i should get it

[K-Dub]

if u are lookin for 5dMKii for cheap
try http://www.multipleelectronics.com/

now i have never been to the store
but they advertised the following package for $2799 earlier today and after i called..in they changed it to $3599

body+24-105 f4L+430EXII flash

good deal still..and thinkin if i should get it
what would you need it for that your XTi can't do?
spending nearly 3 grand on a camera ...

[ColinK]

^ ?

Lots of things. Full frame, can handle high iso MUCH better, (I basically can't shoot any higher than iso400 on my xti) faster fps, shoots HD video, more mp, larger viewfinder, liveview, etc etc etc

[K-Dub]

^ ?

Lots of things. Full frame, can handle high iso MUCH better, (I basically can't shoot any higher than iso400 on my xti) faster fps, shoots HD video, more mp, larger viewfinder, liveview, etc etc etc
well yea. but... would he really need it?

[ColinK]

ahh, yes. Well, that's a whole other argument all together! :P

If he is relatively new to photography, I wouldn't bother. Until you find your camera limiting you, I dont think it's worth it. I've had my xti for 2.5 or so years now? and I still think I'll grab a 70-2002.8L IS before I grab that 5Dmkii

[Soundy]

It's got nothing to do with NEED. If it was just about NEED, we'd all be shooting with one of these (yes, I do have one, and it's awesome!):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Argus_C3.jpg

It's all about WANT, and the TOYS! :IDL

[Senna4ever]

if u are lookin for 5dMKii for cheap
try http://www.multipleelectronics.com/

now i have never been to the store
but they advertised the following package for $2799 earlier today and after i called..in they changed it to $3599

body+24-105 f4L+430EXII flash

good deal still..and thinkin if i should get it
Ah, the old bait & switch. That's impossibly low, because they would be selling for less than cost! Those prices would be believable if they were before the price increases. I bet they won't have any in stock. Won't hurt to try though, because it is a good deal.

[Mananetwork]

if u are lookin for 5dMKii for cheap
try http://www.multipleelectronics.com/

now i have never been to the store
but they advertised the following package for $2799 earlier today and after i called..in they changed it to $3599

body+24-105 f4L+430EXII flash

good deal still..and thinkin if i should get it

See if could find any reviews about them online first before purchasing!

[Senna4ever]

Dammit, where can I upload 1080p video to? There are some shortcomings to the video system. The AF is VERY loud, and if you focus manually, you can hear the focusing ring turning.

My processor (AMD Turion 64) can't handle 1080p smoothly. Boo~!

[Kite]

Dammit, where can I upload 1080p video to? There are some shortcomings to the video system. The AF is VERY loud, and if you focus manually, you can hear the focusing ring turning.

My processor (AMD Turion 64) can't handle 1080p smoothly. Boo~!

Though it may very well be your processor, your graphics card will also play a large roll in continuous playback.

[Tim Budong]

i would buy just becuz of the price, yea..it be a waste..go ahead and tell me..but the fact is, the xti is horrible at anything iso400 and up. I do like night/low light photography..so yea..they dont ahve stock tho, i made teh call.

its all good, i get daddy's 40d as yea..his new toy is...5dMKII..
i get to play with it in hk!
trip is only a week away

will post some prices from backend stores and price of unofficial goods(water)

[ColinK]

Dammit, where can I upload 1080p video to?


I think here? http://www.vimeo.com/hd

[Senna4ever]

I took some video at 3200 ISO tonight. This thing is amazing. This may very well be the first canon SLR I can actually live with. The buttons & dials arrangement still feels awkward though.

[Mananetwork]

I took some video at 3200 ISO tonight. This thing is amazing. This may very well be the first canon SLR I can actually live with. The buttons & dials arrangement still feels awkward though.

Because you're not use to a Canon configuration.

[Senna4ever]

Because you're not use to a Canon configuration.
Most likely, but I don't like how you have to stretch your finger to change settings, whereas on Nikon or Sony cameras, the buttons are within easy reach.

[Levitron]

Most likely, but I don't like how you have to stretch your finger to change settings, whereas on Nikon or Sony cameras, the buttons are within easy reach.

Because you're not use to a Canon configuration.

;)

[hoking]

if u are lookin for 5dMKii for cheap
try http://www.multipleelectronics.com/

now i have never been to the store
but they advertised the following package for $2799 earlier today and after i called..in they changed it to $3599

body+24-105 f4L+430EXII flash

good deal still..and thinkin if i should get it

beware of this place, they don't offer refunds for purchases and not even an instore credit/exchange even with a receipt (like you would get say at futureshop) and also, they try to scam you of your original box (ie: say they need the UPC for warranty) or whatever, and just throw in a free camera bag for you.

take this with a grain of salt though, as this is what my friend told me from his personal experience

[Tim Budong]

beware of this place, they don't offer refunds for purchases and not even an instore credit/exchange even with a receipt (like you would get say at futureshop) and also, they try to scam you of your original box (ie: say they need the UPC for warranty) or whatever, and just throw in a free camera bag for you.

take this with a grain of salt though, as this is what my friend told me from his personal experience

I will beware when i go check it out

[77civic1200]

Because you have small girly hands and fat fingers

^what he said :p

[GFunk]

beware of this place, they don't offer refunds for purchases and not even an instore credit/exchange even with a receipt (like you would get say at futureshop) and also, they try to scam you of your original box (ie: say they need the UPC for warranty) or whatever, and just throw in a free camera bag for you.

take this with a grain of salt though, as this is what my friend told me from his personal experience

I bought my camera from multiple electronics 2 or 3 years back now. The customer service is very much so less than desirable and they are extremely pushy on selling you on additional accessories (he belittles you and almost implies that you're an idiot for not agreeing to purchase his suggested accessories). I bought from here only because it was cheaper than other locations. Next time around I think I'd rather pay more for better people to deal with

[Senna4ever]

I bought my camera from multiple electronics 2 or 3 years back now. The customer service is very much so less than desirable and they are extremely pushy on selling you on additional accessories (he belittles you and almost implies that you're an idiot for not agreeing to purchase his suggested accessories). I bought from here only because it was cheaper than other locations. Next time around I think I'd rather pay more for better people to deal with
Most people don't realize that mark ups on cameras and lenses are in the 10% - 15% range. Accessories are marked up from 35% - 100%.

[g/rex]

Anyone interested in a 5d mark 2 w/ grip??
I just picked up my order today at Broadway Camera.
After taxes its about $3900. I just want whatever I paid for it.
Shoot me a PM if you're interested or know someone that is.
Reason for selling is that I'de rather have the cash at this point in time.
I bought this thinking I was gonna get it when it first came out and that I could make
a quick buck on ebay. But 2 weeks later, they don't hold the same value.

[Senna4ever]

Heh...you aren't the only one. The first 2 weeks it was a trickle, but now canon is sending us about 20 a week. Got 2 Nikon D3x in today....and they were gone within a few hours. Holy shit, the D3x with the 24-70 f2.8 is amazingly sharp corner to corner.

[Mananetwork]

Better be for 8 fucking thousand dollars!

[Senna4ever]

Yes, it is. It's way better than the 1Ds MkIII though. The pros don't care about the price much. They can recoup their costs easily and it can be written off as a business expense.

Interesting side note: We tested the new 50mm f1.4 against the new 24-70mm f2.8 and... the 24-70mm f2.8 at 50mm is SHARPER than the 50mm prime at almost all apertures! Of course, we were pixel peeping, but the difference was noticeable in the D3x NEF files. It looks as if Nikon didn't update the optics of the 50mm. They just added the N coatings, AF-S and G designation it seems.

They came and went!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/photo.jpg

[Bonjour43MA]

Holy cow they're in stock already!??!?!?

Damn Nikon's moving fast these days... I remember a few years back when it would take at least 4 or 5 months to see the cameras available after they've been announced... now it's almost within weeks or 1 month.

I've downloaded some offical samples of the 24mp files and they were f-king amazing.

I'd still take a D3 over this though... but obviously I'm not the target market for the D3x. lol

[Senna4ever]

Who wants one? :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/P1020992.jpg

[K-Dub]

Who wants one? :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/P1020992.jpg
17 boxes of ....wow...........heaven.
are you giving them away to us as christmas presents?
i'll take one.

Santa Senna4ever 5D Mk 2 Present Give-away
1. K-Dub
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

[Senna4ever]

Actually, 16 bodies and 1 kit. They're all gone now. :(

[Meowjin]

Most likely, but I don't like how you have to stretch your finger to change settings, whereas on Nikon or Sony cameras, the buttons are within easy reach.

I dunno, My 50d was pretty simple to use compared to my d300. Maybe it will take a while to figure it out but I've been using my d300 for about 2 weeks now and it doesn't feel as easy to use as the 50d.

[MikesJo]

I think Canon's UI is pretty solid. You can pick it up and pretty much figure it out.

[endless402]

everything is in the switches for the d300

[Tim Budong]

played around with the mark2 2day...
holyshit
ever so..heavy..yet feels solid

[tweakynuts]

heavy? seriously? that thing is like a feather.

[on]

Yes, it is. It's way better than the 1Ds MkIII though. The pros don't care about the price much. They can recoup their costs easily and it can be written off as a business expense.

Interesting side note: We tested the new 50mm f1.4 against the new 24-70mm f2.8 and... the 24-70mm f2.8 at 50mm is SHARPER than the 50mm prime at almost all apertures! Of course, we were pixel peeping, but the difference was noticeable in the D3x NEF files. It looks as if Nikon didn't update the optics of the 50mm. They just added the N coatings, AF-S and G designation it seems.

They came and went!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/photo.jpg

lol the d3x better be better than the 1dsmrk3 since its like a year and a half later. thats like generations apart in the digital world. i was really upset when i got my 1dsmrk3 and heard about the 5d mrk2 until last week. did a shoot under 3200 and got crisp prints without any noise on 11x17s. but then again im sure all other high iso/mp cameras nowadays do that aswell.

[Meowjin]

It's not. I've heard that from several pro nikon users.

[on]

It's not. I've heard that from several pro nikon users.

ive never used nikon before so i can't say which is better but really tho, the 1dsmrk3 is pretty fail. image quality wise its not that much different than my 5dmrk1. of course u get almost double the mp blah blah but... i dont need that. the pro body does have a lot more toys tho. but the body is kinda small

[Senna4ever]

played around with the mark2 2day...
holyshit
ever so..heavy..yet feels solid
The 1D mkII feels solid. The 5D mkII feels like cheap plastic...it's not heavy at all.

[Senna4ever]

It's not. I've heard that from several pro nikon users.
Use both for yourself before saying anything. The D3x is amazing for what it can do. The 5D is so slow. It's the slowest camera in its price class, and slower and less responsive than even some cheaper DSLR's. The price difference is a lot for the consumer, but doesn't matter much to the working pro.

[on]

Use both for yourself before saying anything. The D3x is amazing for what it can do. The 5D is so slow. It's the slowest camera in its price class, and slower and less responsive than even some cheaper DSLR's. The price difference is a lot for the consumer, but doesn't matter much to the working pro.

he was replying to what i said. "d3x better be better than 1dsmrk3"

[Senna4ever]

I know...

[on]

sorry i've misunderstood you then, i thought u thought he was comparing 5d and the d3x lol

[Boostslut]

Anyone actually get their 5D MK II yet? Like their own personal one at home?

[Soundy]

...BESIDES Senna?? :)

[Boostslut]

I just picked up my Canon 5D MK II today. So pre-order. Just picked it up from Broadway Camera. They had one, so i got it! So excited! Can't use it today. I have Wednesday off. Looking forward to it!

http://i44.tinypic.com/kb7og9.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2mo3603.jpg

w00t!

[ColinK]

<------ Jelous

[Mananetwork]

I got my hands on the 5DMII today at Akihabara. Don't like the shutter sound, and the camera isn't that great. Wasn't impressed at all!

I played around with a couple of expensive lenses though, the 85 1.2L and the famous 200 F2 <-- I WANT!!!! 830,000Y = 8,300 USD brand new.
At 2.0, the lens is UBER sharp still!

No post work at all!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/3188161488_a8318f2d22_o.jpg

[ColinK]

how come you weren't impressed?

[Kite]

I got my hands on the 5DMII today at Akihabara. Don't like the shutter sound, and the camera isn't that great. Wasn't impressed at all!


You wern't impressed and all you can comment on is the sound it makes when you press the shutter??

What's up with what you dislike about the camera?
What do you typically shoot with.

Cheers,

[Senna4ever]

He shoots with the 5D. The 5D mkII isn't really an improvement in speed or handling compared to the 5D, and the 21MP is way more than what you really need for most shooting scenarios.

[ColinK]

continous fps is the only thing I dislike about the 5d markii on paper, but I've never used one before :(

[Mananetwork]

The camera didn't feel all that great in my hands. Even though it was lighter by a little bit, it felt bigger and less ergonomic. The big screen and auto ISO is a nice touch.

I didn't get to much time with it, just 5 minutes.

[Matsuda]

Hey mananetwork, I checked out your blog, great pictures from Asia!

[Mananetwork]

Hey mananetwork, I checked out your blog, great pictures from Asia!

Thank you. I'm so behind though. I only posted Day 8 and I'm on day 22 now.
The blogs are getting longer and more detailed. Soon to be posted day 9 is big!

[Mananetwork]

I might not upgrade. Save some money for a 85 1.2 or a 200 F2 :D

[Senna4ever]

$6140CDN for the 200 f2. :damn:

[Mananetwork]

It's cheaper then here!
The price is 759,000Yen or 7590USD or 8500ishCND

[Bonjour43MA]

The camera didn't feel all that great in my hands. Even though it was lighter by a little bit, it felt bigger and less ergonomic. The big screen and auto ISO is a nice touch.

I didn't get to much time with it, just 5 minutes.

You should check out the Nikon D700 :D

[peazs]

wow, you look different in that pic, lol. the hair or shaven? haha

[Mananetwork]

^ I think both! I'm at least one month overdue on the haircut

Another 200 F2 IS shot
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/3196673668_4553f9143c_o.jpg

[niforpix]

That 85mm 1.2 would be nice... But me no got 2Gs for that lens :(

[Meowjin]

d700 and a 135f/2 defocus. You will never look back :D

[Pumbaa]

I got my pre-order 5D markII a month ago, and so far its been great!
Compare to 1Ds MarkII, the color isnt that accurate, nor as sharp, it sure aint as solid. But, its got faster processor, high iso range, huge screen, and lighter.
I do full time wedding photography, and 1Ds are just too heavy when I carry it over 13 hrs a day, and battery life arent that great either.
I think its a good upgrade if anyone is getting into full-frame SLR and its CHEAP :D

[Mananetwork]

I got my pre-order 5D markII a month ago, and so far its been great!
Compare to 1Ds MarkII, the color isnt that accurate, nor as sharp, it sure aint as solid. But, its got faster processor, high iso range, huge screen, and lighter.
I do full time wedding photography, and 1Ds are just too heavy when I carry it over 13 hrs a day, and battery life arent that great either.
I think its a good upgrade if anyone is getting into full-frame SLR and its CHEAP :D

Can we see some of your work?

[Mananetwork]

Update!!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0905/09052701canon5dmarkiifirmware.asp

Canon has announced a firmware update for its EOS 5D Mark II digital SLR enabling manual exposure when shooting videos. With the updated version, users will be able to manually adjust the shutter speed, aperture and ISO settings in the video mode. The new firmware will be available for download on 2 June 2009 from Canon's website.

Allowing EOS 5D Mark II owners to achieve even more stunning video results with the camera, the firmware update will include the following manual controls when shooting video:

* Full aperture selection
* ISO speed: Auto, 100 – 6400 and H1
* Shutter speed: 1/30th – 1/4000th second

The EOS 5D Mark II integrates full HD movie capability into a high-end 21.1 Megapixel camera; opening a multitude of new possibilities for photojournalists and news photographers. Since its launch the camera has proved its appeal to professionals working in diverse fields, from studio and wedding to nature and travel. Now, following customer feedback, Canon has improved functionality for professional video users, further unleashing the potential of the EOS 5D Mark II for cinematographers and photographers alike.


A step in the right direction!!!

[Boostslut]

Sweet thanks for posting it! :)