[natedawg90]

So I was driving home a buddy a couple of weeks ago and got busted for having front tint. the officer gave me a ticket for having it and an order to have it removed which i did which was all cool but I am just wondering if i disputed the ticket as i bought the car like that and didnt know it was illegal until it was too late what would be my chances?

[bcedhk]

if u use that excuse, they would tell you why u didnt remove the tint when you purchased it.

only legal front tint are from cars with factory tint that protect UV rays.. *eg. most high end benz/european cars*

so if you drive a civic, or something, they wont take your dispute

[Fafine]

^ they'll let you dispute... you just wont win, u could dispute and hope the cop dont show?

[CRS]

^ they'll let you dispute... you just wont win, u could dispute and hope the cop dont show?

And have the JP slap some more fines on you for wasting the court's time.

[skidmark]

I suppose that would really depend on whether it was true or not. If it wasn't, why risk lying to the court, which is a criminal offence, for a traffic ticket, which isn't?

[cococly]

if u use that excuse, they would tell you why u didnt remove the tint when you purchased it.

only legal front tint are from cars with factory tint that protect UV rays.. *eg. most high end benz/european cars*

so if you drive a civic, or something, they wont take your dispute

P.S. Not only do those High end europeans cars have them nowadays. Even the family cars from Honda and Toyota have them as well. Mine is sort of Blue...but it's so light and it is OEM .

[MegaMx]

P.S. Not only do those High end europeans cars have them nowadays. Even the family cars from Honda and Toyota have them as well. Mine is sort of Blue...but it's so light and it is OEM .

that's back tint. no cars have them in the front and if they do it's extremely light tint (barely noticeable)

As to the OP, ignorance is not a excuse. not knowing the law is your fault but in most cases this is not true. a lot of people like to claim it was bought that way and if the judge smells lies on you and asks the party before you and they say "no" well say hello to a criminal record and perjury

[wing_woo]

P.S. Not only do those High end europeans cars have them nowadays. Even the family cars from Honda and Toyota have them as well. Mine is sort of Blue...but it's so light and it is OEM .

Yeah, and that's why I got a ticket in Sept 07. I'm going for my court date on the 13th. Took over a year to get court date. I only wish the officer knew that he could cancel the ticket without going to court. He already admitted that he was wrong. I still have to phone him to remind him to plead no contest as he told me to call him a week or two before the court date to remind him.

[skidmark]

I only wish the officer knew that he could cancel the ticket without going to court.

Why not tell him yourself? There is a form to use that he fills out and faxes to the ICBC Ticket Unit along with a photocopy of his copy of the ticket.

If he's going to write them, he may as well learn how to withdraw them when he makes a mistake.

[wing_woo]

I've already taken the day off to go to court and he said he'd withdraw it. I don't want to risk anything going wrong so close to the court date. I might as well ask him I guess.

[tonyvu]

lol... tint in the front, so dangerous driving at night. Some idiot almost made a right into me because he didn't see me comming... -.-'

[yvrnycracer]

lol... tint in the front, so dangerous driving at night. Some idiot almost made a right into me because he didn't see me comming... -.-'

i disagree... but thats just me...

I will say that until the smash and grab crime is reduced in this city (my non-tinted car was broken into on NYD) I will keep my windows tinted... can't see inside so it reduces temptation and a film on the back of the windows makes it harder to break the glass...

Until the auto crime is significantly reduced and other crime is reduced... tint should be a non issue... JUST MY TWO CENTS... I know it's the law blah blah... but its also illegal to smash my windows in and NOTHING is being done to keep these criminals off the streets... (not the P.O.'s fault, the judicial system is 100% to blame)

[skidmark]

I will say that until the smash and grab crime is reduced in this city (my non-tinted car was broken into on NYD) I will keep my windows tinted... can't see inside so it reduces temptation and a film on the back of the windows makes it harder to break the glass...

If I were a thief, I think that I would be interested in the vehicles that I couldn't see into easily for just that reason, there must be something juicy inside that the owner doesn't want me to get.

It's a lousy reason for limiting your ability to see properly at night. That's my 2 cents worth now since I don't write the 10,900 cents worth for it anymore!

[MegaMx]

If I were a thief, I think that I would be interested in the vehicles that I couldn't see into easily for just that reason, there must be something juicy inside that the owner doesn't want me to get.

It's a lousy reason for limiting your ability to see properly at night. That's my 2 cents worth now since I don't write the 10,900 cents worth for it anymore!
I doubt that based on everything I've learned in crim. People break in because they see something, not because they wonder if there is something on the other side otherwise people would be breaking into everything because they're curious if there's something there. On another note, thieves are smart enough to AVOID tinted cars for either of the few reasons:
1) he may have to buy crack from the probable drug dealer of the car (not saying all with tint are drug dealers but the ones with the pitch black tint probably are)
2) windows with tint don't shatter and fall apart like windows without tint. They would have to smash it and then start pulling at the glass that's being held up by tint. kind of like the following window but on a smaller scale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRcX_VC3rs

[natedawg90]

I can see the different sides of the story. For one it can be dangerous if it is dark out but it can have some security purposes too it just sucks that it is illegal. But where I live people are getting busted for having tint when drivers with HID kits in there cars get away with it. I don't know about anyone else here but i think those are worse than front tint especially on trucks, they blind you and im pretty sure that could cause a car accident easier than having front tint

[CRS]

i disagree... but thats just me...

I will say that until the smash and grab crime is reduced in this city (my non-tinted car was broken into on NYD) I will keep my windows tinted... can't see inside so it reduces temptation and a film on the back of the windows makes it harder to break the glass...

Until the auto crime is significantly reduced and other crime is reduced... tint should be a non issue... JUST MY TWO CENTS... I know it's the law blah blah... but its also illegal to smash my windows in and NOTHING is being done to keep these criminals off the streets... (not the P.O.'s fault, the judicial system is 100% to blame)

Yeah! Lets risk other drivers or innocent pedestrians lives because I don't feel like I want to lose some cash! Smash and grab? Yeah! Lets tint my window so the thieves can't see in. Who cares if I can't see out? I'm not trying to steal shit from the outside! I can't see other things clearly either, but who cares! Thieves won't be jacking me tonight!
:thumbsup:

[GordonTse]

i also got pulled over for front tint.. removed it a few days later, still need to get it inspected..

edit: and pay the ticket.

[MegaMx]

Yeah! Lets risk other drivers or innocent pedestrians lives because I don't feel like I want to lose some cash! Smash and grab? Yeah! Lets tint my window so the thieves can't see in. Who cares if I can't see out? I'm not trying to steal shit from the outside! I can't see other things clearly either, but who cares! Thieves won't be jacking me tonight!
:thumbsup:

You do realize that even very dark tint only limits your vision by 10% or so? You're referring to it as if somebody took black paint and just painted all the windows. I had tint on for almost 6 years of my driving, not anymore, and I have NEVER come into a situation where I had trouble spotting something, reading something or noticing something.

But if we are going with the route that tint limits vision so terribly how come people are allowed to drive at night with their sunglasses on? Why are they allowed to drive with them on during the day and without sun? That's a handful times worse than tint in terms of limiting vision.

PS: I'm not endorsing tint, I don't have tint anymore but just understanding both sides.

[Soundy]

*sigh* I miss boxeraddict :)

[CruisingDream]

From my observation of the trend, it seems that tint is out. Most cars look much cleaner without a shade of tint, but that's just my observation. I de-tinted the 2 year limo tint in my car by myself last week. I don't miss it a bit.

[hotjoint]

I miss my front tint, went 5 years with no problems then a newbie cop from winnipeg who had to remove his ragged on me

[CRS]

You do realize that even very dark tint only limits your vision by 10% or so? You're referring to it as if somebody took black paint and just painted all the windows. I had tint on for almost 6 years of my driving, not anymore, and I have NEVER come into a situation where I had trouble spotting something, reading something or noticing something.

But if we are going with the route that tint limits vision so terribly how come people are allowed to drive at night with their sunglasses on? Why are they allowed to drive with them on during the day and without sun? That's a handful times worse than tint in terms of limiting vision.

PS: I'm not endorsing tint, I don't have tint anymore but just understanding both sides.

Part 1:
I would like to see what you're referencing or what your source is. I find it hard to believe that it only limits 10% of vision (even at 10% that is quite a bit) and of course, it would depend on the severity of the tint but if it is good enough to block out thieves, I'm sure it will cause more than 10% vision loss. Again, I would like to see your reference or source.

Part 2:
Very good point. I'd suggest bringing something like that up with your MP. You're not going to get anything changed just sitting here and complaining what is worse. Sure murder is worse than domestic abuse, but does that mean domestic abuse isn't bad?

[yvrnycracer]

If I were a thief, I think that I would be interested in the vehicles that I couldn't see into easily for just that reason, there must be something juicy inside that the owner doesn't want me to get.

It's a lousy reason for limiting your ability to see properly at night. That's my 2 cents worth now since I don't write the 10,900 cents worth for it anymore!

first... :haha:

Secondly... put yourself in the shoes of the average crack head who is running along a street keeping his eyes open for an easy score for his next hit... what is he going to do... smash something that MAY have something inside drawing attention to himself by gambling smashing a car that he can't see in? Or a car where he can see in and maybe spot something... Would you rather buy a lottery ticket where you know 4 out of the 6 numbers will hit or taking a chance for 0 out of the 6...

If tint is SO dangerous why do five provinces allow it? Why do 48 states allow tint in some shape or form and no less than 50 allow it for medical reasons?! Our neighbor to the south allows 35% tint. Why are high end luxury cars equipped with tinted glass?

My point stands... until the small crime that plagues our and surrounding areas tinted glass should not be a priority. When I have an RCMP officer in the same area spend an hour and a half with me explaining why tint is bad (even though he had tinted glass when he lived in ontario) when in that same jurisdiction I can't get an officer to take a report after my car gets broken into things are wrong. By that instance and observation, for them TINT is more of a problem than someone breaking into a car. Same can be said for my friend who was mugged on the same block of a supposed "nice neighborhood". And the notion that drug dealers drive around with tinted windows is insane. Why would someone engaging in illegal activities want to give the police a reason to stop them?! :rolleyes:

And to address the idea that you reduce your vision of pedestrians etc at night by having tinted glass. When you are down to 5% tint, your vision is reduced but overall having tinted glass in most cases enhances vision. On a dark, rainy night the glare from other cars headlights is greatly reduced by having tinted glass. This is the same reason why other countries cars have tinted mirrors etc. because it actually enhances what your a able to see.

And yes... why aren't more people with HID kits getting busted... that is far more dangerous tinted windows could ever be...

[sho_bc]

And the notion that drug dealers drive around with tinted windows is insane. Why would someone engaging in illegal activities want to give the police a reason to stop them?! :rolleyes:

You'd be surprised....

[Five-Oh]

You'd be surprised....


Agreed. I still haven't figured out why so many people with stuff to hide have so many illegal modifications on their cars.

[CRS]

first... :haha:

Secondly... put yourself in the shoes of the average crack head who is running along a street keeping his eyes open for an easy score for his next hit... what is he going to do... smash something that MAY have something inside drawing attention to himself by gambling smashing a car that he can't see in? Or a car where he can see in and maybe spot something... Would you rather buy a lottery ticket where you know 4 out of the 6 numbers will hit or taking a chance for 0 out of the 6...

If tint is SO dangerous why do five provinces allow it? Why do 48 states allow tint in some shape or form and no less than 50 allow it for medical reasons?! Our neighbor to the south allows 35% tint. Why are high end luxury cars equipped with tinted glass?

My point stands... until the small crime that plagues our and surrounding areas tinted glass should not be a priority. When I have an RCMP officer in the same area spend an hour and a half with me explaining why tint is bad (even though he had tinted glass when he lived in ontario) when in that same jurisdiction I can't get an officer to take a report after my car gets broken into things are wrong. By that instance and observation, for them TINT is more of a problem than someone breaking into a car. Same can be said for my friend who was mugged on the same block of a supposed "nice neighborhood". And the notion that drug dealers drive around with tinted windows is insane. Why would someone engaging in illegal activities want to give the police a reason to stop them?! :rolleyes:

And to address the idea that you reduce your vision of pedestrians etc at night by having tinted glass. When you are down to 5% tint, your vision is reduced but overall having tinted glass in most cases enhances vision. On a dark, rainy night the glare from other cars headlights is greatly reduced by having tinted glass. This is the same reason why other countries cars have tinted mirrors etc. because it actually enhances what your a able to see.

And yes... why aren't more people with HID kits getting busted... that is far more dangerous tinted windows could ever be...

Hmmm aren't you the ones who say "fighting to good fight" for the officers issuing tickets for no license when you say they should spend their time catching crackheads? What's the difference here? They are both small crimes compared to murders and such.

And don't even bother saying crackheads are more of a hazard blah blah blah. Someone without a DL could mean that they are not licensed at all and are putting everyone around them in danger. Way more so that a crackhead considering one has a vehicle that can plow throw a number of things (and people) before even coming close to a stop.

[Soundy]

Agreed. I still haven't figured out why so many people with stuff to hide have so many illegal modifications on their cars.

Dey keepin' it real yo!

[yvrnycracer]

Hmmm aren't you the ones who say "fighting to good fight" for the officers issuing tickets for no license when you say they should spend their time catching crackheads? What's the difference here? They are both small crimes compared to murders and such.

And don't even bother saying crackheads are more of a hazard blah blah blah. Someone without a DL could mean that they are not licensed at all and are putting everyone around them in danger. Way more so that a crackhead considering one has a vehicle that can plow throw a number of things (and people) before even coming close to a stop.

That was in reference to the officer giving a ticket for having a front plate + a europlate... no drivers license... I couldn't agree with you more...

Agreed. I still haven't figured out why so many people with stuff to hide have so many illegal modifications on their cars.

Well they are the ones that get caught... the small fry's so to speak :haha:

[Splinter]

It always makes me laugh how everyone who is committing a crime thinks that the cops should be going after the 'real criminals'. People smoking crack think the cops should just leave them alone and let them do their own thing too.

The fact is, how many crack heads do you come across every day vs how many cars do you come across ever day? A car is far, far more likely to ruin your day than a crack head, so the police SHOULD be using time to make sure they're being safely operated.

[Truenosan]

Ive seen plenty of cars that have 35% or darker in the front. It's ridiculous.

[Blinky]

If tint is SO dangerous why do five provinces allow it? Why do 48 states allow tint in some shape or form and no less than 50 allow it for medical reasons?! Our neighbor to the south allows 35% tint. Why are high end luxury cars equipped with tinted glass?


Possibly useful link for you!

http://www.historysociety.ca/content/en/pdfs/Lalonde.pdf

(translation - you're barking up the wrong tree here - try your legislative representative).

And to address the idea that you reduce your vision of pedestrians etc at night by having tinted glass. When you are down to 5% tint, your vision is reduced but overall having tinted glass in most cases enhances vision. On a dark, rainy night the glare from other cars headlights is greatly reduced by having tinted glass. This is the same reason why other countries cars have tinted mirrors etc. because it actually enhances what your a able to see.

You are wrong about the vision "enhancement".

If one is running front side tint with an untinted windshield, your irises will contract to account for the relatively high amounts of light coming through the front windshield. When you look to the side, you can't see shit because your eyes are used to looking at bright light. The analogue is going from a brightly lit room to a dark room - you can't see til your eyes adjust (irises dilate).

Running untinted windshield and untinted front sides, there is no adjustment period as the amount of light admitted through the front and side glass is roughly equivalent.

Mirrors are a different case because the light is reflected directly at you and the source of light is nearer to you, and for a sustained amount of time.

Or are you talking about tinting the front windshield? That's triply stupid and illegal in just about any jurisdiction.

[illicitstylz]

" das how i ride, fuck da police " lol

suwO6uWokkk

[gars]

You do realize that even very dark tint only limits your vision by 10% or so? You're referring to it as if somebody took black paint and just painted all the windows. I had tint on for almost 6 years of my driving, not anymore, and I have NEVER come into a situation where I had trouble spotting something, reading something or noticing something.

you've actually got the opposite... really dark tint (limo tint) rated at 10% or 5%, it actually ONLY let's in 10% or 5% (respectively) of the light. it actually blocks out 90% or 95% of the light.

i have 20% on my rear side windows (which are pretty small), and i can tell you that i sometimes have trouble seeing through them at night when i shoulder check... and i would NEVER even think of putting it on my side mirrors....

[Presto]

^^^

MegaMX is talking about the affect on visibility from tint, and not the tint %.

[impactX]

Amount of light enter into your eyes = how visible the objects are.

[underscore]

i disagree... but thats just me...

I will say that until the smash and grab crime is reduced in this city (my non-tinted car was broken into on NYD) I will keep my windows tinted... can't see inside so it reduces temptation and a film on the back of the windows makes it harder to break the glass...

Until the auto crime is significantly reduced and other crime is reduced... tint should be a non issue... JUST MY TWO CENTS... I know it's the law blah blah... but its also illegal to smash my windows in and NOTHING is being done to keep these criminals off the streets... (not the P.O.'s fault, the judicial system is 100% to blame)

how about don't leave shit lying around in your car? if crooks can see in and that there's nothing in your car, they won't bother breaking in most of the time.

[GomGom]

How about 70% or 50% tint on the front? I know that legally speaking, it's illegal still but will cops pull you over for that light tint?

[illicitstylz]

How about 70% or 50% tint on the front? I know that legally speaking, it's illegal still but will cops pull you over for that light tint?

70% would be a waste of money.

50% is light enough as it is.

its basically just probability, if you have say 50%, less noticeable so assumes a smaller chance of being caught.

darker tint (eg 35%) is more noticeable so you might get caught easier.

HOWEVER, if it's illegal, why not just do it anyways since you'll get the same ticket for 50% tint or 35% tint. up to preference.

but like someone mentioned earlier, non tinted cars are more clean and becoming more popular

[sho_bc]

How about 70% or 50% tint on the front? I know that legally speaking, it's illegal still but will cops pull you over for that light tint?

If I see it and am not busy with something else, I'll pull you over. :)

[GomGom]

70% would be a waste of money.

50% is light enough as it is.

its basically just probability, if you have say 50%, less noticeable so assumes a smaller chance of being caught.

darker tint (eg 35%) is more noticeable so you might get caught easier.

HOWEVER, if it's illegal, why not just do it anyways since you'll get the same ticket for 50% tint or 35% tint. up to preference.

but like someone mentioned earlier, non tinted cars are more clean and becoming more popular
I do not want to put 35% so cops still can see inside my car. I'm planning to put 35% on the rear windows and 50% on the front but still scared enough that cops will pull me over.
If I see it and am not busy with something else, I'll pull you over. :)
Are you seriously a cop?

As long as people can see inside my car with light tint, why would cops bother pulling people? It's not like a limo tint anyway...:confused:

[Soundy]

As long as people can see inside my car with light tint, why would cops bother pulling people? It's not like a limo tint anyway...:confused:

Because it's still illegal.

Think ahead for a minute at what it could potentially cost you:

Cost to install tint: $xxx
Cost of a ticket for illegal tint ($138, I think?)
Cost of a VI (around $100)

To pass the VI, you must remove the tint, meaning your initial install cost is wasted money... and you're now needing to spend another $250 or so on top of that, to end up right back where you started.

You might go years without ever being hassled about it... or as we've seen here, you could get nailed the next day.

And if you have any other illegal mods on your car (exhaust, lights, lowering, etc., that don't conform to the regulations), you'll have to fix/undo those before you'll pass the inspection. If the inspection finds anything else wrong, that'll have to be fixed too... and the the inspection done again (there's another $100+).

Is it really worth it, for the slight chance that you WON'T get busted, considering what it could end up costing if you DO?

[zulutango]

"As long as people can see inside my car with light tint, why would cops bother pulling people? It's not like a limo tint anyway"

There is also the problem with it being illegal...and the problem that it defeats the Federally and Provincially-required ability to shatter when hit.

Seems to me these days this question and a search to escape the consequences, is almost as common as LMD gang executions. :) ( I know that was a cheap shot...and this is a bad pun)

[sho_bc]

I do not want to put 35% so cops still can see inside my car. I'm planning to put 35% on the rear windows and 50% on the front but still scared enough that cops will pull me over.
If you're that afraid of being pulled over for it, why spend money to put it on in the first place, and then pay more money each time you get a ticket for it? Or go through the hassle of removing it after getting a Notice and Order to remove it?

Are you seriously a cop?

As long as people can see inside my car with light tint, why would cops bother pulling people? It's not like a limo tint anyway...:confused:

Yes, I am. And we'd pull you over because having front tint is illegal and impairs your field of vision, especially at night. It also shouldn't be applied as a film, either, as it is safety glass designed to break in a certain way upon impact. By applying a film over the glass, you're changing those safety characteristics of the glass.

[impactX]

Agreed. I still haven't figured out why so many people with stuff to hide have so many illegal modifications on their cars.

cos' dat's how they roll!

[impactX]

I doubt that based on everything I've learned in crim. People break in because they see something, not because they wonder if there is something on the other side otherwise people would be breaking into everything because they're curious if there's something there. On another note, thieves are smart enough to AVOID tinted cars for either of the few reasons:
1) he may have to buy crack from the probable drug dealer of the car (not saying all with tint are drug dealers but the ones with the pitch black tint probably are)
2) windows with tint don't shatter and fall apart like windows without tint. They would have to smash it and then start pulling at the glass that's being held up by tint. kind of like the following window but on a smaller scale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRcX_VC3rs

If anything, tint makes breaking into the car way easier: Use the impact tool to break the window, 1 single push and the whole window falls inside.

Security films are applied on BOTH sides of the window and they aren't as flimsy as window tint.

[geeknerd]

35% will get u pulled over fo sho.

[MegaMx]

you've actually got the opposite... really dark tint (limo tint) rated at 10% or 5%, it actually ONLY let's in 10% or 5% (respectively) of the light. it actually blocks out 90% or 95% of the light.

i have 20% on my rear side windows (which are pretty small), and i can tell you that i sometimes have trouble seeing through them at night when i shoulder check... and i would NEVER even think of putting it on my side mirrors....

light and vision are different things. look at the video in this post http://www.revscene.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6212983&postcount=32 he's got 5% tint in the side windows and yet you can see VERY clearly through it. if you can't, go get your vision checked. i was talking about limiting vision not the technical specs.

Amount of light enter into your eyes = how visible the objects are.
Do you really want to be that guy who is claiming that you can see 95% better by removing the 5% tint? (I gotta warn you, "that guy" comes with a clown outfit, a few missing teeth, a southern accent and a grade 5 education)

[sebberry]

light and vision are different things. look at the video in this post http://www.revscene.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6212983&postcount=32 he's got 5% tint in the side windows and yet you can see VERY clearly through it. if you can't, go get your vision checked. i was talking about limiting vision not the technical specs.


Do you not believe that it is important for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians to see the driver?

If you come flying up to a stop sign at an intersection where I have the right of way only a couple of car lengths away, I'm either going to hit the brakes possibly triggering a rear-ender or swerve to avoid you. If I can see what you are looking at, I can better prepare for the situation. Making yourself invisible to other road users is asking for trouble.

[CRS]

Is security film legal to install on your windows?

Like your sides and rear? I know it would be illegal for front but what about everything else?

[sebberry]

Is security film legal to install on your windows?

Like your sides and rear? I know it would be illegal for front but what about everything else?

Isn't that kind of like locking the driver's door and leaving the others unlocked? :haha:

[CRS]

Isn't that kind of like locking the driver's door and leaving the others unlocked? :haha:

What?

I'm confused.

[MegaMx]

Do you not believe that it is important for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians to see the driver?

If you come flying up to a stop sign at an intersection where I have the right of way only a couple of car lengths away, I'm either going to hit the brakes possibly triggering a rear-ender or swerve to avoid you. If I can see what you are looking at, I can better prepare for the situation. Making yourself invisible to other road users is asking for trouble.
Well if anybody comes flying at a stop sign that like that I don't think it would matter if it's tinted or not. Where do you think he'll be looking at? At the stop sign he just noticed or you? Also how many people come flying up to a stop sign?

[impactX]

light and vision are different things. look at the video in this post http://www.revscene.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6212983&postcount=32 he's got 5% tint in the side windows and yet you can see VERY clearly through it. if you can't, go get your vision checked. i was talking about limiting vision not the technical specs.


Do you really want to be that guy who is claiming that you can see 95% better by removing the 5% tint? (I gotta warn you, "that guy" comes with a clown outfit, a few missing teeth, a southern accent and a grade 5 education)

You don't see 95% better by removing the 5% tint; you see ~95% more light which translates to visibility.

[Soundy]

You don't see 95% better by removing the 5% tint; you see ~95% more light which translates to visibility.

This is the key: you can argue the mathematical semantics of just how much your vision is reduced by various levels of tint, but the fact remains, IT DOES REDUCE YOUR VISION. PERIOD. That's both illegal, and just plain unsafe.

I don't buy the arguments about being able to see the driver and make eye contact, though, because if that was an issue, sunglasses would be illegal as well.

[wing_woo]

Actually, I hate it when I have to deal with drivers with front tinted windows. The difference with sunglasses is that I can see him turn his head and therefore can deduce that he most likely sees me. When the front window is tinted, I can't see him/her at all and therefore have no clue what direction they are looking and whether there is a chance that they saw me or not.

[impactX]

I almost got t-boned by a landrover with front tint once when there was nothing blocking his vision of my car other than the front tint.

[sebberry]

I have also instances where only a combination of sun, clouds and reflected trees made it hard to see through the front side window of another car. Lack of tint does not guarantee that the driver can be seen.

[Soundy]

Doesn't make it any better, either.

[MegaMx]

I almost got t-boned by a landrover with front tint once when there was nothing blocking his vision of my car other than the front tint.
He was probably running for his life from some gang.

[makomako]

funny, everybody didnt really watch the fuck da police video, anyone notice something at 1:22? there's a gun there hahaha, i guess that tinted car might be a little dangerous

[sho_bc]

Wow, I just re-watched that and saw it sitting in between the seat and the center console.... :eek:

[yamahar6]

I heard the real reason why police don't allow front tint is because they can't see the guy and if he has a weapon or not, don't know if its true or not, but just something i heard

[sho_bc]

Because the other related safety issues mentioned in this thread are less important than whether or not a cop can see a gun... Usually, if we see a person in the vehicle has a gun, it will be because they let us see it and are planning on using it at that point. ;)

[yvrnycracer]

This argument that front window tint prevents an officer from seeing whether or not a person in the vehicle has a gun is completely nuts. So explain to me then if all the other windows that are behind the driver are tinted but not the front ones how is it easier for the officer to see whether or not there is a weapon in the car? Argument makes no sense... And the other statement that is violates a FEDERAL law that glass must shatter upon impact... well then why is tint allowed on front windows in various provinces and why do I see police vehicles with tinted windows?? I would love to see a study that proves that front tint actually is dangerous, increases the risk of accidents and entices criminals to break into cars... Much like the study that was done that showed that RHD cars are more likely to be in crashes for various reasons... (but amazingly enough RHD vehicles are allowed on our roads...)