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2009 FERRARI F60 (No, Ferrari Enzo is not the F60)
impactX
01-12-2009, 08:41 PM
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F60
The F60 is the fifty fifth single-seater built by Ferrari specifically to compete in the Formula 1 World Championship. The name of the car was chosen to celebrate the Scuderia's participation in all 60 editions of the Formula 1 World Championship since 1950 to date. The project, which goes by the internal code name of 660, represents the Scuderia's interpretation of the regualtions that come into force this year, which includes very many new elements.
CHASSIS
- Carbon-fibre and honycomb composite structure
- Ferrari longitudinal gearbox Limited-slip differential
- Semiautomatic sequential electronically controlled gearbox -quick shift
- Number of gears 7 + Reverse
- Brembo ventilated carbon-fibre disc brakes
- Independent suspension, push-rod activated torsion springs front and rear
- Weight (which water, lubricant and drive) 605 kg
- BBS Wheels (front and rear) 13"
- Kinetic energy recovery system by Ferrari in cooperation with Magneti Marelli
- The bodywork can no longer carry the slotted apertures that had characterised the Ferrari cars over the past few years
FRONT WING
The front wing, which has a neutral central profile, common to all, is developed mainly on its side elements and is much wider than in the past: the bodywork can no longer carry the slotted apertures that had characterised the Ferrari cars over the past few years. The combination of changes naturally led the inital design phase down radically different routes when it came to the side pods and protection components: the apertures have been reduced in size and moved rearward, while the upper and rear elements are larger to aid the exit of air.
REAR WING
The rear wing is higher and narrower than in the past; the diffuser has been moved rearward. The combination of changes naturally led the inital design phase down radically different routes when it came to the side pods and protection components: the apertures have been reduced in size and moved rearward, while the upper and rear elements are larger to aid the exit of air.
ENGINE and TRANSMISSIONS
One of the most significant changes in the 2009 regulations is the possibility of using a kinetic engery recovery system (KERS). The KERS on the F60 was designed by Ferrari in collaboration with Magneti Marelli and is centrally mounted ont he engine under the rear part of the chassis; its management has involved all departments of the Gestione Sportiva. The transmission has been redesigned to optimise the aerodynamic efficiency of the car. The gearbox casing is again made in carbon and is still positioned longitudinally. The gearbox iss fitted with a speed shifter. There is also a new braking system, with callipers designed by Brembo. Other important rule changes for this years stem form the work of FIA and FOTA (Formula One Teams Association) aimed at producing a signifact reduction int he teams' operational costs. As far as the engine is concerned, which retains its longitudinal mounting in the F60 and continue as as a load bearing structure, the rules now state that a total of eight engines may be used over the 17 Grand Prix race weekends on the calendar. Accordingly, the maximum permitted engine speed has been reduced to 18,000 rpm and the distance target for each unit is now around 2,500 kilometres. Furthermore, modifications have been made to the inlet trumpets, the position of the injectors and the configuration of the exhausts. The changes to the regulations mean that, on the reliability front, Shell has played a fundamental role in defining the lubricants for both the engine and gearbox.
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Klutch
01-12-2009, 08:50 PM
i need that steering wheel for my civic
rooster328
01-12-2009, 08:53 PM
that wheel alone is $$$$
StylinRed
01-12-2009, 09:10 PM
saw this on the bbc, almost looks like we took a time machine to see the 1990 unveiling of the new F1 car
cococly
01-12-2009, 09:11 PM
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!
The glory of a modern F1 car is gone......
Straight spoilers..... WTH!!
Screw you Max Mosley!!!
FIA= Ferrari Internationl Association. lol
asian_XL
01-12-2009, 09:24 PM
what's with the wheels?
impactX
01-12-2009, 09:33 PM
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!
The glory of a modern F1 car is gone......
Straight spoilers..... WTH!!
Screw you Max Mosley!!!
FIA= Ferrari Internationl Association. lol
Er... I'd rather see more passing (thanks to slicks and less aerodymanic devices) than to have the whole race determined by qualifying.
Since when did FIA favor Ferrari?
impactX
01-12-2009, 09:42 PM
what's with the wheels?
Brake cooler.
falcon
01-12-2009, 09:44 PM
Since when did FIA favor Ferrari?
lol.... someone dosen`t follow F1 very well, do they
apharmdb
01-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Will be interesting to see how teams react to having more tire grip but less downforce.
hal0g0dv2
01-12-2009, 09:48 PM
that steering wheel is of the hook
death_blossom
01-12-2009, 10:49 PM
"Ferrari Enzo is not the F60"
Why would you say that? isn't the chassis code of the Ferrari Enzo, called F60?
shenmecar
01-12-2009, 10:53 PM
maybe its kinda like how Audi R8 is both the race car and the street car.
3seriesBeeM
01-12-2009, 10:55 PM
that steering wheel alone is prolly a couple hundred thousand. it will be nice to see what mclaren comes out with to compete hamilton is one of the best if not the best driver in the field
twitchyzero
01-12-2009, 11:03 PM
saw this on the bbc, almost looks like we took a time machine to see the 1990 unveiling of the new F1 car
i dont know jack about F1 cars
but i thought most are already at its max potential? So how are we gonna see a huge difference in the new F1 cars compared to the F1's from the 90's?
TOPEC
01-12-2009, 11:06 PM
i dont know jack about F1 cars
but i thought most are already at its max potential? So how are we gonna see a huge difference in the new F1 cars compared to the F1's from the 90's?
there will always be room for improvement. be it because of rule changes, or new technology being developed.
since this will be called the F60, i guess there wont be a road legal successor to the F40 and F50 named F60?
InvisibleSoul
01-12-2009, 11:45 PM
maybe its kinda like how Audi R8 is both the race car and the street car.
But at least the Le Mans car is based off the street car (or vice versa!), but an F1 car has no similarity to any street car...
macatacz
01-13-2009, 12:16 AM
Holy crap.. there are like 5005950485 buttons on the wheel!
impactX
01-13-2009, 12:37 AM
lol.... someone dosen`t follow F1 very well, do they
List examples?
Were the FIA favoring Mclaren when they disqualified the team but let the drivers (who drove a car that was influenced by stolen Ferrari data) continue to compete for WDC?
How about the current (2008) point system? Why did they change from 10-6-4-3-2-1 to 10-8-6-5-3-2-1?
RRxtar
01-13-2009, 08:58 AM
But at least the Le Mans car is based off the street car (or vice versa!), but an F1 car has no similarity to any street car...
audi R8
http://www.gaywheels.com/images/audi/r8/2008_Audi_R8_header.JPG
audi R8
http://auto.idoneos.com/d/au/auto/Competicion/Audi_R8_LMP/_files/audiR8lmp.jpg
TOPEC
01-13-2009, 02:55 PM
i dont see how the R8 has any resemblance to the RS8/RS10
Great68
01-13-2009, 03:02 PM
Er... I'd rather see more passing (thanks to slicks and less aerodymanic devices) than to have the whole race determined by qualifying.
Did you miss last season or something?
PavelGTR
01-13-2009, 03:26 PM
"Ferrari Enzo is not the F60"
Why would you say that? isn't the chassis code of the Ferrari Enzo, called F60?
no it is not the F60 end of story.
impactX
01-13-2009, 06:08 PM
Did you miss last season or something?
Most of the good races last season were during rain (like how Vettel got pole and victory in Italy), or when cars crashed out and the leaders were penalized when the pitlane closed (how Alonso got the victory in Singapore).
carisear
01-13-2009, 08:43 PM
i'm sorry, but that tinyass wing just makes the new f1 season look ... like a joke =(
Poonpee
01-13-2009, 08:57 PM
wow can someone explain the buttoms on the steering wheel ?
the_darkside
01-14-2009, 12:17 PM
They need to change their racing program to be more like this: (The Japanese are so ahead of us)
http://www.crazyhill.com/ah_fai/E_comics/CyberFormula01.jpg
Blue92
01-14-2009, 12:22 PM
More passing or not this is a step backwards for sure...I guess it makes sense though, with the auto industry in the kinda shape it is in now.
im liking the increased emphasis on mechanical grip and less emphasis on downforce for grip..
should make for fast medium-low speed cornering where more passing should happen, instead of only passing on long straights or at the end of long straights by outbraking..
blue: f1 has been stepping back for years.. the cars are nowhere near their potential. from v12s, to v10s, to v8s, the cars have been constantly detuned to keep the drivers safe. also from slicks to grooved tires, from double decker wings to single, etc... not to mention many tracks have been slowed down by adding chicanes on straights.. the cars dont even hit 300kph anymore on any straight
falcon
01-14-2009, 01:07 PM
i'm sorry, but that tinyass wing just makes the new f1 season look ... like a joke =(
part of the new aero package stems from the fact that front wing can now be controlled and changed by driver input. This means they can dial in less or more wing.
the removal of most of the sidepod aero design means the rear wing will get more clean air, meaning more downforce, also meaning it can be smaller.
F1 bringing back slicks also means more mechanical grip and less aero needed, hence....less wing
Chuck Norris
01-14-2009, 03:57 PM
F1 sucks. It's lost the magic and this is just another nail in the coffin.
Really sad to see this.
Vancouver240sx
01-14-2009, 04:33 PM
blue: f1 has been stepping back for years.. the cars are nowhere near their potential. from v12s, to v10s, to v8s, the cars have been constantly detuned to keep the drivers safe. also from slicks to grooved tires, from double decker wings to single, etc... not to mention many tracks have been slowed down by adding chicanes on straights.. the cars dont even hit 300kph anymore on any straight
Great point. F1 cars are no where near their 'maximum potential' just at the maximum the rules allow.
F1 sucks. It's lost the magic and this is just another nail in the coffin.
Really sad to see this.
Obviously you have not been watching the last couple seasons of F1 nor do you understand why these changes are being made.
The last 2 years have come down to the last race of the season. New teams have found their stride and new exciting drivers have found victory. 7 different drivers won races last year, two of which was their 1st time at the top step of the podium.
However, one of the downsides of the last two years or even 10 years has been the dirty air caused by the wake of the cars, which makes passing almost impossible. The 09 cars are might look more simple, but the changes are being made to make passing easier and in all truth, to make mistakes more common (just take a look at what Massa said about driving the F60).
If you are so worried about how the cars look, download the last season and replay it over and over. You could just get over how the new cars look and realize these changes are for the better.
rich
i can't wait for next season.. i have a feeling its going to be the most exciting in many years and the mid pack will be far more competitive as its a clean slate for everybody. going to try catch the singapore gp next year, last year caught the last gp in montreal, and a couple years back caught the last year of the v10's at suzuka.
kc1337
01-14-2009, 07:21 PM
I like how they incorporated the wings into the mirror support. Very sneaky
itachi1314
01-14-2009, 07:27 PM
U see bigger spoilers on the cars in the "Hall of shame" thread. :haha:
-KC
cecilia
01-14-2009, 09:09 PM
cant wait to see it on the tracks
Chuck Norris
01-14-2009, 10:18 PM
Obviously you have not been watching the last couple seasons of F1 nor do you understand why these changes are being made.
The last 2 years have come down to the last race of the season. New teams have found their stride and new exciting drivers have found victory. 7 different drivers won races last year, two of which was their 1st time at the top step of the podium.
However, one of the downsides of the last two years or even 10 years has been the dirty air caused by the wake of the cars, which makes passing almost impossible. The 09 cars are might look more simple, but the changes are being made to make passing easier and in all truth, to make mistakes more common (just take a look at what Massa said about driving the F60).
If you are so worried about how the cars look, download the last season and replay it over and over. You could just get over how the new cars look and realize these changes are for the better.
rich
I understand why they've made the changes but I just don't like it.
Formula One used to be about pushing the limits of physics and nature. While they have always had rules, in the past, it was just more exciting to watch and even more exciting to see how the cars would perform.
The last few years I tried watching but haven't been able to get into it the same.
It almost seems like there should be a class above F1 where limits can be pushed.
ride98
01-15-2009, 01:32 AM
I wonder if they will use these new ones at the Shanghai F1 this year?
Great68
01-15-2009, 07:58 AM
It almost seems like there should be a class above F1 where limits can be pushed.
For sure.
F1 used to be about pushing the limits of technology, and that's what got me into watching it.
As much as I like to see close races and lots of passing, it looses something for me when this has to be accomplished through rule changes which limit technology.
Formula 1 might as well start calling themselves the european NASCAR.
Blinky
01-15-2009, 08:34 AM
For sure.
F1 used to be about pushing the limits of technology, and that's what got me into watching it.
It still is -- though the focus has changed. Look at KERS, for instance, as a system that could have a very practical application on roadcars. 20k rpm redlines (materials engineering notwithstanding) and high speed aero -- not so much.
As much as I like to see close races and lots of passing, it looses something for me when this has to be accomplished through rule changes which limit technology.
Formula 1 might as well start calling themselves the european NASCAR.
I think that there's a balance between the technological aspect and costs. A superduper unlimited racing series would be interesting, but it would have tremendous financial and human costs. Who would run something like this, when F1 team participation and cost is so much an issue?
Aside from the simple dollars and cents angle, one reason why technology has been limited a bit by rules is simply driver safety. IIRC it was one of the reasons why grooved tires were introduced several years ago (to reduce cornering speeds... which they got back with aero right quick).
I'm not being a snob, but when F1 specifies a car and engine package, then you can call it a Euro-NASCAR.
f1 is now about pushing the limits within the limits... they seek every competitive edge within the FIA rules.. its still about showcasing technology by using what is available to them
Great68
01-15-2009, 09:28 AM
I'm not being a snob, but when F1 specifies a car and engine package, then you can call it a Euro-NASCAR.
Well there were already talks about engine homologation, and it might become a reality in the near future.
Oh yeah, NASCAR does not homologate engines.
Blinky
01-15-2009, 09:35 AM
Well there were already talks about engine homologation, and it might become a reality in the near future.
Oh yeah, NASCAR does not homologate engines.
I too have heard the news and agree - running a spec engine would suck arse.
AFAIK the latest spin on things was that there would be a third party engine manufacturer (Cosworth) that would produce a spec engine, but teams would be free to develop their own engines.. so Ferrari and Mclaren would still be at the top and then there is a kludge of second- and third-rate teams that use an equally noncompetitive engine.
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