[iwantaskyline]

Going down the HWY1 in the HOV lane, I am about to change lanes..half-way through changing lanes (I didn't complete the lane change yet) some mofo in a mercedes speeds up (partly in the pull-over lane) hits my side mirror on the drivers side and speeds away. Trys to speed off and run away from me but I caught up to him when he exited to 104th ave. Lucky me he hit a red light and couldn't do shit, walked out of my car got the douche to gtfo. Got his info and all that shit.

Anyways I reported the accident to ICBC right away. I got a witness in the passengers seat (my gf). What are the chances ICBC is gonna fuck me over?


Wasn't being exactly clear. He was behind me before i started to switch lanes. I wasn't going into his lane. I was changing lanes to the right. He was behind me speeding and tries to side step me on the left when I didn't complete my lane change yet. I will draw a picture lol.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/807/21881662hq3rb5.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21881662hq3rb5.jpg)

[pandalove]

u were changing lane ... sooo ur wrong i guess

[FiveDime]

report it as a hit and run but you got the plate number.


That will fuck him over good

[MG1]

I don't think passengers count as witnesses. You need someone else. You got his info, so it indicates he stopped and you guys exchanged info. Was there any damage to his vehicle. Did you take any photos with your cell?

[iwantaskyline]

u were changing lane ... sooo ur wrong i guess

are you fucking kidding me?

I don't think passengers count as witnesses. You need someone else. You got his info, so it indicates he stopped and you guys exchanged info. Was there any damage to his vehicle. Did you take any photos with your cell?

his side mirror is slightly damaged and loose. he was going at least 100-110 and in the HOV lane when driving by himself.

I wish i just reported it as a hit and run. :cry:

[Qmx323]

are you fucking kidding me?
i actually dont think he is. If ur changing lanes, u technically shoulda did a shoulder check, and according to ICBC as long as u shoulder check, this kinda stuff doesnt happen.

on a less a-hole-ish note, if u report as hit and run and u got his plate.. OHH MAN ur good to go. lol.

[Nvasion]

i think you are wrong because you are trying to go into the mercedes lane.

[azzurro32]

they may give it 50/50 since you were going from your lane into his lane. ICBC will probably say you should have checked your blindspot.

[iwantaskyline]

I wasn't being clear....The asshole was BEHIND ME. I was in HOV lane, he was behind me..in the process of changing to the right the mofo sidesteps me speed up hits my mirror. I was NOT going into his lane. He was behind me.

[fobulaus]

Good luck with that, I think the chance of this being a 50/50 case is HIGH... and unfortunately, your gf cannot be your witness either...

[Nintensity]

If I recall, if you're pulling into someone's lane, you have to yield into the lane. If you tried to change lanes, you should have seen the Mercedes speeding up fast behind you in the first place.

Meaning that the Mercedes did have the right of way.

However, because it was more of a hit and run, I suppose ICBC can vouch a 50/50 against your claim.

[iwantaskyline]

If I recall, if you're pulling into someone's lane, you have to yield into the lane. If you tried to change lanes, you should have seen the Mercedes speeding up fast behind you in the first place.

Meaning that the Mercedes did have the right of way.

However, because it was more of a hit and run, I suppose ICBC can vouch a 50/50 against your claim.

Again, I WASN'T GOING INTO HIS LANE. I was going to the right lane. He was behind me the entire time until he tried to side-step me while I didn't complete my lane change yet. AGAIN, I was not changing lanes into HIS LANE. The benz was in the far left lane just like me and I was trying to switch lanes to the RIGHT.

[johny]

most of your people are f*cking retared... read the question..

the other guy should be screwed. make sure they knew he ran and you had to catch him, and he was in the HOV by himself.

[jackmeister]

most of you dont get it...

iwantaskyline was changing lanes to the right, benz tries to pass on the left side of him while he was in the middle of two lanes.

assuming iwantaskyline was driving at the speed limit, benz must've been speeding in order to catch up + pass, in addition to driving on the shoulder

[Nintensity]

Again, I WASN'T GOING INTO HIS LANE. I was going to the right lane. He was behind me the entire time until he tried to side-step me while I didn't complete my lane change yet. AGAIN, I was not changing lanes into HIS LANE. The benz was in the far left lane just like me and I was trying to switch lanes to the RIGHT.

OH. Okay. Now I get it haha sorry I guess i'm half asleep and I didn't read the post clearly.

I just don't understand why that idiot would clip your car in the first place. for goddamn sake drivers these days should know the spacing of their own car.

..was he/she asian? lol

[CRS]

Witnesses can't be your own passenger. It presents with a clear bias.

And if you didn't get pictures of the car that hit you with noticeable damage from what your mirror did, the best you'll get is 50/50. Most likely, you're hooped. If you did get to exchange info, this might help to get you some chance of better odds.

[iwantaskyline]

OH. Okay. Now I get it haha sorry I guess i'm half asleep and I didn't read the post clearly.

I just don't understand why that idiot would clip your car in the first place. for goddamn sake drivers these days should know the spacing of their own car.

..was he/she asian? lol

Bald white guy. Begging me not to take it ICBC and shit. Says hes a bus driver for the city so he doesn't want it on his record. Bus driver driving a benz, what the hell do they get paid?

[iwantaskyline]

Witnesses can't be your own passenger. It presents with a clear bias.

And if you didn't get pictures of the car that hit you with noticeable damage from what your mirror did, the best you'll get is 50/50. Most likely, you're hooped. If you did get to exchange info, this might help to get you some chance of better odds.

Yeah I took pictures. My side mirror is basically fucked while his is still good to go.

[mmmk]

the mercedes is definitely at fault. but passengers in your car do not count as a witnesses.

so...it pretty much comes to whether or not icbc believes ur story vs his story

[E=mc²]

lmao
you people need to read carefully
the OP needs to draw better too lol

[iwantaskyline]

lmao
you people need to read carefully
the OP needs to draw better too lol

Haha wireless mouse while on the bed makes it very difficult.

[CRS]

Did you take pictures of HIS car?

You should've recorded him with your cellphone. If you did, the case would be done.

But I bet you didn't. And I bet you're also saying how much of an idiot you are for not doing it. Well, if it helps, you are an idiot for not recording the conversation.

[cococly]

u were changing lane ... sooo ur wrong i guess

+1.


To the OP : How could you make a proof to ICBC that the BENZ actually SPEED up at the excat moment when you were changing lane..?

[CRS]

+1.


To the OP : From what you are saying, you were indeed chaning lanes, and the Benz was in his/her lane and you hit him/her while doing the manuveer. You should have shoulder checked..

Techincally, the driver of the benz could report YOU are the one who Hit&Run...

Oh FFS!

HE WAS GETTING OUT OF THE HOV LANE WHILE THE BENZ THAT WAS BEHIND HIM FROM THE HOV LINE TRIED TO PASS WHILE HE WAS STILL IN THE HOV LANE AND HIT IS MIRROR.

[alex.w *//]

also your gf in your psgner seat cannot be witness

[iwantaskyline]

Did you take pictures of HIS car?

You should've recorded him with your cellphone. If you did, the case would be done.

But I bet you didn't. And I bet you're also saying how much of an idiot you are for not doing it. Well, if it helps, you are an idiot for not recording the conversation.

I took pics of his car and mine. No I didn't record the conversation. I was pretty pissed and with adrenaline going through the roof while chasing him down I wasn't exactly thinking clearly. Now whether he would have let me record the convo is a different story but whatever.

Thank you for being a asshole :thumbsup:

[cococly]

Oh FFS!

HE WAS GETTING OUT OF THE HOV LANE WHILE THE BENZ THAT WAS BEHIND HIM FROM THE HOV LINE TRIED TO PASS WHILE HE WAS STILL IN THE HOV LANE AND HIT IS MIRROR.

Sorry, I corrected my post...:eek:

[eddoe]

Since you have no witness, unless the guy actually admits he sped up and clipped your mirrors. It's going to be 50/50.

[bartone]

you should also say in your statement to icbc that the guy tried to run away.

[chouchou]

LOL reading thorugh this post i was like... uhhh READING COMPREHENSION FTL

[E=mc²]

stuff like this makes me wanna set up a camera in my car so I won't have to worry about shit like recording the conversation or taking pictures of the scene and finding witnesses. the camera will be proof enough...

[azzurro32]

On a sidenote, you should be glad he wasnt a second or so slower or he'd send you tailspinning out of control if he clipped you in the back...

[AzNightmare]

You see, when someone creates a thread asking RS what to do after an accident. People will flame and say, are you stupid, the first thing you do is post on RS, and not report it to ICBC?

Then when people report to ICBC first, then post on RS afterward. RS tells him, damn, you should of told ICBC this instead, would of screwed him over 10x. etc, etc. now it's gonna be 50/50.

LOSE LOSE SITUATION.

[TOS'd]

so....you crossed a solid white line, eh?

[iwantaskyline]

so....you crossed a solid white line, eh?

nope

[TOS'd]

nope
Sure looks like a solid line to me..

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9881/21881662hq3ak5.jpg

[iwantaskyline]

Sure looks like a solid line to me..

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9881/21881662hq3ak5.jpg

I drew it solid to indicate that its an HOV lane.

[moomooCow]

Sure looks like a solid line to me..


:haha:
Are you seriously arguing with the OP because he neglected to draw the dotted hov line ? If the man says no then no... don't quote his picture and say it looks like a solid line.......

[pandalove]

Sure looks like a solid line to me..

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9881/21881662hq3ak5.jpg

that box sure dun look like a benz either

[nipples]

he can always change his side of the story to fuck u over and say that you DID try to cut into HIS lane. icbc would prolly think this is more likely.

I only say this because a taxi hit me and i reported it. taxi ran a red in a right turn with my right of way and t-boned me. he lied and said i changed lanes and we were parallel.

adjuster took the taxis side without even seeing my car. was fluke that the estimator was from marine dr and transferred and is an old pro.

so i'd becareful....

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lol i like ur drawing

:p

[blkgsr]

most of your people are f*cking retared... read the question..

the other guy should be screwed. make sure they knew he ran and you had to catch him, and he was in the HOV by himself.

seriously, people are retarded

OP, you'll be fine, and ya make sure you mention you were changing out of the lane and he was by himself in the HOV

you'll be fine

[BNR32_Coupe]

ICBC will screw you over because the person with the right of way was the guy in the benz. It doesn't matter if he was behind you. You were changing lanes and thats all ICBC needs to know. It could've been a police car speeding up in the HOV lane and you hit him. Being in a lane and speeding doesn't mean you're at fault, therefore, you can't use that argument against the Benz driver unless you have a 3rd party witness (sorry, passengers count as 2nd party. it would have to be a completely random person).

[Soundy]

^Reading fail.

The Benz was passing when it wasn't safe to do so, and from the look of the awesome diagram, he was also partially passing illegally on the shoulder.

Given that it wasn't safe for him to pass, I'd say ICBC puts the blame on the Benz 100%.

The thing I've noticed, when putting in a claim... is that ICBC really tends to side with whoever reports it first. It may just be coincidence, or maybe they go with the thinking that the person who takes longer is just trying to take the time to fabricate a better story... I dunno, but that's been my experience, anyway.

[slammer111]

I dunno why there is a problem here. OP, here's what you should do since it doesn't look like anybody got injured.

Call ICBC, report the claim so at least it's logged. Call a shop (ICBC accredited) and get an estimate. Call the Benz driver back and give him the choice of paying for your repairs cash or claiming it.

Since it's just a mirror, chances are he's better off paying for your repairs. If he's a douche and tries to run, then simply turn the invoice over to ICBC and he's screwed either way.

[Dragon-88]

Best thing to explain how the situation goes is tell him which or the closes exit the incident happened on and then tell them which exit u had to go to just to get to him, that could prove that he tried to hit and run since he past a few exits..

[hung_low]

it's so funny to see how many people on RS can't read, and someone actually commented on the drawing

this is awesome

ps. there's no north arrow on the drawing so I don't know which way you are going

hahah

[Mananetwork]

:haha:
Are you seriously arguing with the OP because he neglected to draw the dotted hov line ? If the man says no then no... don't quote his picture and say it looks like a solid line.......

The picture wasn't very well illustrate for one thing. His car looks to be in the the middle of both lanes, but to which lane was it turning into, right or left? Draw it!
Another problem that stands out is the solid HOV lane. The judge will ask all these questions, so draw the illustration right the first time.

I read his poor description, and I know what's going on, but if your going to illustrate with a picture, do it right!

[Noir]

it's so funny to see how many people on RS can't read, and someone actually commented on the drawing

this is awesome

ps. there's no north arrow on the drawing so I don't know which way you are going

hahah

Well, it's a tough description to follow. A mean, how the hell does a car side-step? How does a car side-step from behind? Now, replace "side-step" with the usual driver's lingo such as "pass" or "overtake" and he may have avoided miscommunicating how the events unfolded. I can take assumptions on what he meant by "side-step" but I think that's what gets everyone confused. Side stepping is not the appropriate terminology and therefore is open to interpretation in an effort to try and understand what the OP is trying to convey.

He was behind me speeding and tries to side step me on the left when I didn't complete my lane change yet. I will draw a picture lol.

I wasn't being clear....The asshole was BEHIND ME. I was in HOV lane, he was behind me..in the process of changing to the right the mofo sidesteps me speed up hits my mirror.

[Ludepower]

LMAO...this thread is jokes.

I understand the OP clearly and scrolled down to see half the people who cant read.

Anyways OP...with ICBC your guilty unless proven innocent...goodluck.

[CRS]

I took pics of his car and mine. No I didn't record the conversation. I was pretty pissed and with adrenaline going through the roof while chasing him down I wasn't exactly thinking clearly. Now whether he would have let me record the convo is a different story but whatever.

Thank you for being a asshole :thumbsup:

Well, considering you don't need his approval to record him on audio, it wouldn't really matter. In Canada, only one party needs to know that they are being recorded. And this party is you.

Knowledge > you

CRS = Asshole, yes I know.

[Tim Budong]

regardless..
ICBC isnt fair to begin with in most cases
just hope for the best
its all on how ICBC feels if they believe u he was trying to pass on the shoulder
and becuz u have no witness, things can go 50/50

tell the other driver, that u will settle privately, but note to icbc
its the safest way to do this, and it wont screw with anyone unless he runs
becuz once the other party decides to settle out of it, then if he runs, u have a case

[Jacka]

I have to re-read again to understand what you are explaining, be sure to explain clearly in detail to the adjuster.

- Brenz hit & run
- HOV no solid line
- you shoulder check and everything before turning

do you still have the side mirror too?

[iwantaskyline]

I dunno why there is a problem here. OP, here's what you should do since it doesn't look like anybody got injured.

Call ICBC, report the claim so at least it's logged. Call a shop (ICBC accredited) and get an estimate. Call the Benz driver back and give him the choice of paying for your repairs cash or claiming it.

Since it's just a mirror, chances are he's better off paying for your repairs. If he's a douche and tries to run, then simply turn the invoice over to ICBC and he's screwed either way.

Yeah the guy wanted to pay without dealing with ICBC. I reported it to ICBC about 20 mins after the hit. Once I find out how much it's going to cost today, I'll probably give the dude a call.

[will068]

wow.. wth was the driver of the benz thinking ? good luck with that.

[Tim Budong]

ahha
that benz driver has a record now anyways
ahahahah

[iwantaskyline]

The guy said he is a bus driver. If it turns out he's liable for this and its his fault, does it affect his job in any way?

[Tim Budong]

i dont kno...but it could stop him from a raise or bonus?

[BabyblooLexus]

hmm, im pretty sure you can use ure gf as witness..
my frnd and her bro were in an accident he was driving, she was shotgun
and icbc sed the only reason she cant be a witness is cuz she was a family member
dno if girlfriends count as a family member

[Noir]

The guy said he is a bus driver. If it turns out he's liable for this and its his fault, does it affect his job in any way?

No. The only thing I can think of is a Motor Vehicle Infraction that results in his driver's licence being suspended.

[B-DiZzLe]

ur at fault cuz your drawing blows goat nuts

[fo_shizzled]

You can't use your g/f as a witness. Also, I believe this is gonna be 50/50 (or 100% u) or on you because you said you were changing lanes (meaning you were making the action). He will likely say you tried to change lane into the HOV lane and you were parallel while u tried to change lanes and when you notice him you severed out of his lane but to late and your mirror came off. ICBC goes with what reasonably happen and don't believe we have such morons on the road.

He is gonna lie and I think he's gonna try to fawk u. You might want to try to settle out of ICBC because he probably won't want a 50/50 on his record.

[Noir]

You can't use your g/f as a witness. Also, I believe this is gonna be 50/50 (or 100% u) or on you because you said you were changing lanes (meaning you were making the action). He will likely say you tried to change lane into the HOV lane and you were parallel while u tried to change lanes and when you notice him you severed out of his lane but to late and your mirror came off. ICBC goes with what reasonably happen and don't believe we have such morons on the road.

He is gonna lie and it is gonna and I think he's gonna try to fawk u. You might want to try to settle out of ICBC because he probably won't want a 50/50 on his record.

+1. I've seen this happen before. When its his word vs. yours and no unbiased 3rd party involved, I'd say there's a good chance ICBC will find you partially at fault.

My exprience with this was:

Coworker was 2nd on left turn lane. 1st car was in the intersection waiting to turn left, missed his chance and decided to reverse back to left turn lane without looking, and backed into my coworkers car. They exchanged info, everything seemed to be straightforward.

Coworker reports to ICBC. Car #1 advises to ICBC that the damage resulted from my coworker rear ending Car #1. Since ICBC was left with conflicting versions of incident w/ no unbiased 3rd party witness, resolution was 50/50.

In your case, and judging by his efforts to flee the incident, and weasel out of it by occupation related excuse, I foresee the Benz driver retelling the incident in a manner that benefits him and you at fault.

[iwantaskyline]

ur at fault cuz your drawing blows goat nuts

Ok pimp guy.

[pandalove]

ya he could jus say u were the one changing lane in to the HOV and you hit his ass

i bet u feel so much pressure now huh :)

[iwantaskyline]

ya he could jus say u were the one changing lane in to the HOV and you hit his ass

i bet u feel so much pressure now huh :)

He could. But I know for sure I reported it first and since ICBC has not called me yet, he has not reported anything I'm guessing. So if he is going to say I hit him, won't ICBC ask why he didn't report it?

[Inaii]

hmm, im pretty sure you can use ure gf as witness..
my frnd and her bro were in an accident he was driving, she was shotgun
and icbc sed the only reason she cant be a witness is cuz she was a family member
dno if girlfriends count as a family member

You can't use anyone in your car as a witness because they're going to be bias. ICBC will automatically expect anyone you're friends with/family/dating to side with you, even if you're at fault.

[Tim Budong]

ya he could jus say u were the one changing lane in to the HOV and you hit his ass

i bet u feel so much pressure now huh :)

He could. But I know for sure I reported it first and since ICBC has not called me yet, he has not reported anything I'm guessing. So if he is going to say I hit him, won't ICBC ask why he didn't report it?

yes
but the other party hasnt responded to anything or made reports becuz the benz driver dont want a record, tho its too late now, iwntaskyline is clearly the responsible driver and has a high chance of winning

[Mkhun]

only if u had pics of his mirror/car..

GL.

ppl got to be patient.. i also almost got rear-ended/hit driver's side mirror by F350 when i was changing lane with signal on, and seemed like he couldnt wait for that couple seconds and sped up from my back lol

[Adsdeman]

Icbc always gonna fuck u over there fucked bra just fucked.

[Anjew]

ya think about this in ICBC's stand point.... they are going to try their fucking best to pin that shit on BOTH of you. 50/50.

first thing, you got no witness. next thing, even tho you are not at fault in your eyes the dude in the merc can still fucking change his story thus fucking you up as well causing a 50/50 since you got no witness.....

if the guy in the merc is willing to pay for damages then take it...

[Soundy]

Yeah the guy wanted to pay without dealing with ICBC. I reported it to ICBC about 20 mins after the hit. Once I find out how much it's going to cost today, I'll probably give the dude a call.

I think you're still best to just deal with ICBC yourself. Let them pay for the repairs, and if buddy in the Benz doesn't want it to affect his rates, he can repay ICBC. Dealing with him directly opens up all manner of cans of worms that could potentially come back to bite you in the ass.

I believe this is gonna be 50/50 (or 100% u) or on you because you said you were changing lanes (meaning you were making the action).

But the lane change is irrelevant to the the contact. It only applies if he hits something IN the lane that he's moving INTO. In this case, he was hit by someone else who was in the lane he was moving OUT OF.

[fetched]

without any other witnesses besides your gf.
I see this as 50/50 you and benz
or it could go 100% either way, all up to the benz.

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Sure looks like a solid line to me..

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9881/21881662hq3ak5.jpg

you have a lot of time on your hands dude

[iwantaskyline]

I think you're still best to just deal with ICBC yourself. Let them pay for the repairs, and if buddy in the Benz doesn't want it to affect his rates, he can repay ICBC. Dealing with him directly opens up all manner of cans of worms that could potentially come back to bite you in the ass.

Yeah, I'm dealing it with ICBC. Took it to body shop today, gonna get it fixed in about a day or so. No body work needed just a quick installation.

Still no call from ICBC so they still haven't talked to the guy yet.

[fo_shizzled]

But the lane change is irrelevant to the the contact. It only applies if he hits something IN the lane that he's moving INTO. In this case, he was hit by someone else who was in the lane he was moving OUT OF.

I guess you didn't read it all. The guy is definitely gonna lie, since he was unethical enough to run off. You know how unbelievable the OP story is. To have someone so absolutely dumb to try to pass someone while he is making a lane change (he must have been absolutely tailgating him and increased his speed dramatically in a few seconds to do that). When ICBC hears the OP story they are gonna think he is the one lying and the other guy will tell a more reasonable story. Unless the Benz fesses up, OP may be screwed. I had a similar situation with a really stupid ass driver, but it ended 50/50 because he completely lied.

[luke]

Did you get any pics of the damage to his mirror? Since he was approaching from behind he would have damaged the front of his mirror and the back of yours, thus helping corroborate your version of the event (if necessary).

[Soundy]

I guess you didn't read it all.

Yes I did.

The guy is definitely gonna lie,

No shit. But that would happen whether the OP was in the right or not.

You know how unbelievable the OP story is. To have someone so absolutely dumb to try to pass someone while he is making a lane change (he must have been absolutely tailgating him and increased his speed dramatically in a few seconds to do that). When ICBC hears the OP story they are gonna think he is the one lying and the other guy will tell a more reasonable story.

Actually, from some of the crazy shit I see, driving all over the Lower Mainland on a daily basis... it's entirely believable. And you're assuming the other guy is capable of creating a credible story - most people are terrible liars, especially when they start tripping up over their own stories.

[hotjoint]

I'll say 50/50 here, cuz when u switched lanes he doesnt have to yield to you cuz he was goign straight and if he sped up then you shouldnt have went into the lane but its also his fault cuz he tried to speed off after.

[hung_low]

I'll say 50/50 here, cuz when u switched lanes he doesnt have to yield to you cuz he was goign straight and if he sped up then you shouldnt have went into the lane but its also his fault cuz he tried to speed off after.

-1 hotjoint for reading comprehension

in layman's terms, the benz budged in the HOV and hit the OP's car

[hotjoint]

-1 hotjoint for reading comprehension

in layman's terms, the benz budged in the HOV and hit the OP's car

:lol my bad, yeah I was just looking at the pic. Totally the guy's fault then

[BdoubleE]

yeah i agree it should be the benz fault 100%
however, icbc will always try to fuck you over no matter what so get your story straight about him being in the HOV lane alone and that you had to chase him down, you had not finish your lane change etc.

[SumAznGuy]

Based on personal experience, it will be your fault.
I was exiting the Oak st. bridge onto #4 road where 1 lane becomes 2. I was in front while a Lexus was behind me. I wanted the right lane when the lane split into 2 and the Lexus driver tried to over take me on the right when it was still a single lane.

ICBC said I was trying to pull to the right lane and deemed it my fault.

[iwantaskyline]

Called in ICBC today. They told me the benz owner reported in yesterday. So a full day after the hit happened he reported it while I reported it 20 mins after he hit me. He is not accepting fault, pretty damn sure he made up some story.

[Soundy]

-1 hotjoint for reading comprehension

in layman's terms, the benz budged in the HOV and hit the OP's car

This thread is so full of fail. Despite it being clarified at least three times, people are still getting it utterly wrong.

[nsmb]

you didn't shoot him? wow

[iwantaskyline]

ICBC didn't screw me over! Ruled not my fault.

[DavidNguyen]

thats great!

good to hear. seems like it took a while for them to figure that

[_TiDy_]

passengers cannot be used as a witness. I would suggest settling out of ICBC just so they can't fuck you over. Just get the guy to pay for fixing your mirror.

[dual]

What car do you drive? If it's a nice car, spend 500 and get a beater. Then hunt him down and do the same thing to his car. I'm sure his car will cost more to repair than your beater.

[JHuJHu]

hahaha i love the drawing. LOL!