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MegaMx
02-17-2009, 06:28 PM
VANCOUVER — The Public Safety minister's visit to the violence-wracked Lower Mainland was overshadowed Tuesday by a home invasion that ended with the victim killing one of his attackers.

The latest shooting came one day after a mother was gunned down in the Vancouver suburb of Surrey, as her four-year-old watched from the back seat of their car.

In Tuesday's incident, a south Vancouver mother watched in horror as two gunmen forced their way into her home and pointed a gun at her son.

Mabel Mohammed said the gunmen were asking for someone named Azim, who the family does not know.

She told them they had the wrong house. They then shot and wounded her son Aleem, 19, in the shoulder.

His brother Amir then wrestled the gun away and shot one of the assailants dead. The other fled.

"We are in danger. They came to the wrong house," she said.

Nazreen Dean said neither of her brothers have any gang connections, and is convinced the gunmen came to the wrong home.

"They were asking for someone who we don't know," she said

Dean said Amir was arrested for grabbing the intruder's gun and shooting him.

"He had to do that to protect his brother. His brother was already shot in the shoulder and the lip."

Police asked the people at the nearby Ebenezer Baptist Church to not venture out after the incident.

Parents also rushed to pick up their children from the nearby Sunset Montessori Children's House. No one at the child-care centre was injured.

The shooting comes on the same day that Peter Van Loan, the federal Minister of Public Safety, said Vancouver is Canada's centre of gang activity. It follows a rash of other shootings and gangland hits across the Lower Mainland.

On Monday, 23-year-old Nicole Marie Alemy of White Rock, B.C., was shot and killed while driving in Surrey. Her four-year-old son was in the back seat and survived.

The Cadillac she was driving was registered in the name of her husband, who is co-operating with police.

The woman's four-year-old son is in the care of officials with the children's ministry, because police had concerns for the boy's safety.

Police still are trying to figure out why the woman was targeted and shot, said RCMP Cpl. Dale Carr of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team.

"It has all the earmarks of a targeted hit," Carr said.

Investigators are trying to determine "whether it's domestic-related or gang-related."

Carr said the boy "probably went through the most horrific thing a child could go through: He watched his mother get murdered."

The woman was driving south on 148th Street at about 10:30 a.m. local time, when her Cadillac was sprayed with gunfire on the driver's side.

The car coasted through an intersection, and was steered by a passerby across a sidewalk and up onto the driveway of a house.

Police arrived on the scene to find the woman dead and the little boy distraught, said Carr on Monday as he stood half a block from where the woman's body remained inside the car.

He said the child appeared to be unhurt, but "he is being dealt with to ensure that he didn't sustain any injuries."

Carr said it was stunning that a small child was in the Cadillac when it was targeted.

"It's just beyond comprehension. You can only hope that these individuals that are involved in this activity just didn't know the child was there," Carr said. "That's the only thing I can imagine."

He said police could not say yet if the deadly attack had anything to do with a rash of other shootings and gangland hits across Metro Vancouver this year.

"We have not made any other links at this time to any other homicides, to any gang-type activity," he said. "It could be anything from gang-related homicide to a domestic (dispute) to the unthinkable, where just someone randomly did this."

Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts, who has been lobbying for all levels of government to do something about gang warfare, was outraged by the apparent indifference of the shooters.

"What happened today was absolutely unconscionable. To have someone shot in front of a four-year-old child is so far over the top," Watts said. "We've seen the escalating violence throughout the Lower Mainland, and this is just beyond ridiculous.

"You can see with this escalation, (gangsters) don't care. And if this is a redistribution of power with the gangs in the drug trade, it is only going to escalate," she said.

Watts was to meet Tuesday with federal Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan, who told the Vancouver Sun last week he was coming to Metro Vancouver because the region's violent crime has reached "crisis proportions."

Watts said local governments need financial help from Ottawa to increase police enforcement.

"We need more police, there is no doubt about it. Municipal governments are footing the cost for policing, and this is beyond our capability," she said.

Meanwhile, another shooting — this one non-fatal — took place earlier Monday about three kilometres away in Whalley, B.C.

A 40-year-old man drove away from the scene of the shooting in his Range Rover and was found by ambulance attendants in Langley at about 12:40 a.m. He had been shot in the shoulder.

RCMP Cpl. Peter Thiessen said the earlier shooting appeared to have been targeted.

But Thiessen said the man who was shot was not the intended target. The target was sitting in the back of the vehicle and was uninjured, he said.

One neighbour told the Vancouver Sun he heard about six shots at about 12:17 a.m.

The gunfire appeared to have erupted outside a strip club called T-Barz.

Thiessen said investigators were still working to determine whether the victim and his friends were at the club before the shooting.

There have been several other shootings within blocks of the site in recent months, including a Feb. 2 hit on James Erickson.

Thiessen called the incident "a significant shooting."

kbolan@vancouversun.com

lculbert@vancouversun.com
http://www.canada.com/news/Invader+killed+bloody+continues/1299549/story.html

Harvey Specter
02-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Oh god, does anyone read the forums? We have a 3+ page shooting thread going.

cookies
02-17-2009, 06:35 PM
nice

MegaMx
02-17-2009, 06:37 PM
Oh god, does anyone read the forums? We have a 3+ page shooting thread going.
If the mod starts a thread called "Vancouver Shootings Thread" I'll post in it but this is a completely different incident than the rest of them and in the meantime it seems like a new thread would mix up the other shooting with this one.

Get over it, it took more time for you to bitch about it then to just pass it in the list even if it happens 1000 more times.

KingDeeCee
02-17-2009, 06:50 PM
If the mod starts a thread called "Vancouver Shootings Thread" I'll post in it but this is a completely different incident than the rest of them and in the meantime it seems like a new thread would mix up the other shooting with this one.

Get over it, it took more time for you to bitch about it then to just pass it in the list even if it happens 1000 more times.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/shootings-thread-t564868.html

Heh....what is this?

Harvey Specter
02-17-2009, 07:18 PM
Lol, I guess "the shooting thread" isn't clear enough for him.

johny
02-17-2009, 10:18 PM
the story for this one keeps changing every few mins... first he was shot in the house, then he was chased down and shoot with his own gun. the newer reports now say the kid ran out of the house with his own gun to chase them... meaning the kids in the house aren't so inocent..

darkmooon87
02-17-2009, 11:14 PM
now the kid who shot the intruder will be shot dead in a couple months. the venge is coming soon. the kid better has to watch his back and shit...i hope he doesn't get in a harms way

paperclip12
02-17-2009, 11:24 PM
It's not gang related.

Vansterdam
02-17-2009, 11:27 PM
my buddy lives just across the street

K-Dub
02-17-2009, 11:44 PM
See if you can see what's wrong with the News1130 article.

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A man is dead and another is injured in the latest deadly gunfire to hit the Lower Mainland. The shooting happened around 2 p.m., after two men came knocking on a basement suite in south Vancouver.

Vancouver police were called to a home on East 53rd Avenue and Fraser Street after a 911 hang-up call. When officers arrived they found one man shot dead and another with gunshot wounds.
The injured man was identified by his family as 19-year-old Aleem Mohammed. They say he's in stable condition in hospital, and are adamant he's a victim of mistaken identity.
The mother, Mabel Mohammed, says her 18-year-old son Amir called her saying that two men came banging on the door, demanding to see someone named Azim. She says they don't know anyone by that name, and her son said so - but the two strangers shot at her oldest son. Then, she says, her younger son was able to take a gun from one of the men and shot one. Police arrested her son Azim and are still looking for one suspect.
Police say the man killed was in his 20s.


police arrested WHO? AZIM? but Azim is who they shooters were looking for. ..
and her son is AMIR.

Harvey Specter
02-18-2009, 12:06 AM
Makes no sense at all. News1130 also said the suspects grabbed money from a table so i'm pretty sure the people living at the house are shady as well.

_Hotsauce_
02-18-2009, 12:10 AM
He had to do that to protect his brother. His brother was already shot in the shoulder and the lip.

He got shot in the lip? WTF??

dc02
02-18-2009, 12:52 AM
Could it be hip?

MegaMx
02-18-2009, 06:37 AM
Lol, I guess "the shooting thread" isn't clear enough for him.

I sometimes suffer from "foot in mouth" syndrome. I completely missed "The Shooting Thread" in the thread list.

But yea, they're claiming mistaken house but the news and police seem skeptical to say that's completely true.

hotjoint
02-18-2009, 06:49 AM
few of my friends live a few blocks away, damn shootings

Ferra
02-18-2009, 07:08 AM
Dean said Amir was arrested for grabbing the intruder's gun and shooting him.
lol..you kinda be fucking kidding me...
maybe next time he should've just let the intruder shoot his whole family dead

AzNightmare
02-18-2009, 08:24 AM
lol..you kinda be fucking kidding me...
maybe next time he should've just let the intruder shoot his whole family dead

The law's a complete joke.

And the media is messing up the story. Either with mistaken info or typos.

MG1
02-18-2009, 09:03 AM
Could it be hip?

It could be nothing more than media hype, I guess. Shootings make good headlines.

flawless
02-18-2009, 09:05 AM
Damn. I drove by Fraser and 53rd at 7pm and again at 11pm last night. Cops had a couple blocks taped off. Was thinking there's no way it could be another shooting but guess I was wrong.

!Yaminashi
02-18-2009, 03:12 PM
lol..you kinda be fucking kidding me...
maybe next time he should've just let the intruder shoot his whole family dead

I believe the cops say the best thing for you to do in times of need is to pick up the phone and dial 911 and let them handle it :haha::cry:

The7even
02-18-2009, 08:28 PM
You guys are slow

The mother, Mabel Mohammed, says her 18-year-old son Amir called her saying that two men came banging on the door, demanding to see someone named Azim.


Police arrested her son Azim and are still looking for one suspect.

MegaMx
02-18-2009, 08:49 PM
You guys are slow

The mother, Mabel Mohammed, says her 18-year-old son Amir called her saying that two men came banging on the door, demanding to see someone named Azim.


Police arrested her son Azim and are still looking for one suspect.
So it wasn't a wrong house? There is a Azim there?

AzNightmare
02-19-2009, 12:46 PM
You guys are slow

The mother, Mabel Mohammed, says her 18-year-old son Amir called her saying that two men came banging on the door, demanding to see someone named Azim.


Police arrested her son Azim and are still looking for one suspect.

No, you got it mixed up. And so did the article. They got so caught up with "Azim" that they typed in the wrong name by saying Azim got arrested. Amir was the one arrested.

Characters:

Mabel Mohammed - mother
Aleem Mohammed (19yrs old) - older son / older bro
Amir Mohammed (18yrs old) - younger son / younger bro
Nazreen Dean - sister

"Azim" - Mysterious target the thugs were looking for.

Thug #1
Thug #2


Scenario:

Thugs forces entry into the house. Points a gun at Aleem. Demands for "Azim". Amir calls Mabel. Mabel tells the thugs, there is no Azim here. Thug shoots Aleem in the shoulder and lip (most likely a typo for hip). Amir sees the danger, so he wrestles the thug and takes the gun. Shoots thug #1 and he dies. Thug #2 probably took off. Police come. Arrests Amir for murder. Aleem gets taken to hospital and is in stable condition. Police is still looking for the other suspect, aka, thug #2. Sister in the interview claims neither of her brothers have gang connections.

Conclusion:
Two thugs hit the wrong house.
One of the thugs is dead.
One of the victim is going to prison and murder.
The other victim is in hospital.
It's "Azim's" lucky day.

Mugen EvOlutioN
02-19-2009, 01:35 PM
No, you got it mixed up. And so did the article. They got so caught up with "Azim" that they typed in the wrong name by saying Azim got arrested. Amir was the one arrested.

Characters:

Mabel Mohammed - mother
Aleem Mohammed (19yrs old) - older son / older bro
Amir Mohammed (18yrs old) - younger son / younger bro
Nazreen Dean - sister

"Azim" - Mysterious target the thugs were looking for.

Thug #1
Thug #2


Scenario:

Thugs forces entry into the house. Points a gun at Aleem. Demands for "Azim". Amir calls Mabel. Mabel tells the thugs, there is no Azim here. Thug shoots Aleem in the shoulder and lip (most likely a typo for hip). Amir sees the danger, so he wrestles the thug and takes the gun. Shoots thug #1 and he dies. Thug #2 probably took off. Police come. Arrests Amir for murder. Aleem gets taken to hospital and is in stable condition. Police is still looking for the other suspect, aka, thug #2. Sister in the interview claims neither of her brothers have gang connections.

Conclusion:
Two thugs hit the wrong house.
One of the thugs is dead.
One of the victim is going to prison and murder.
The other victim is in hospital.
It's "Azim's" lucky day.


yoyoyoyo wait a fuck up

victim is going to prison for murder?

WHAT ON EARTH is this BULLSHIT CRAP? like seriously
OHHH RIGHT, our lovely justice system insists innocent ppl to put their hands up without putting a fight and get shot at

Fuck this

quasi
02-19-2009, 01:48 PM
I think it's fair to say he was under reasonable apprehension of death or grevious bodily harm. Dick face just shot his brother and more likely then not was about to shoot him and his mother, he did what he had to do to survive.


Criminal Code, Sections 34-37

34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.

StylinRed
02-19-2009, 02:24 PM
yea im pretty sure if the police find out these guys were clearly victims then crown wont push a murder conviction and let him slide (noted above) but if they are found to be gangsters themselves crown will probably push for a murder conviction and it'll be up to his lawyer to get him off

at least i hope thats how it'll be handled

woozzle
02-19-2009, 02:25 PM
thugs are gonna be back to finish off the rest of the family

StylinRed
02-19-2009, 02:38 PM
no they're likely peeing in their pants right now 1. cuz they fuked up 2. cuz theres so much attention on it

MegaMx
02-19-2009, 02:47 PM
He won't go to jail. Self defense 1+ lets him blow his face off after his brother gets shot and gun pulled on them

you
02-19-2009, 02:54 PM
so..
when's the next shooting gonna be?

quasi
02-19-2009, 08:17 PM
I'm surprised the dead guys name hasn't been released and his family hasn't been interviewed telling the media what a good person he was.

johny
02-19-2009, 09:09 PM
from what I've read the shooter was released from the police a couple hours after the shooting with no charges.

+ 1 for self defense activists.