[Timpo]

ok I'm not trying to make another fight club thread but I did some research on the websites about the Genesis coupe.
oh just so that you know, I didn't look around on the net just to find out criticism about the Genesis coupe and say bad things about it. I really was just curious about its performance.

anyways, for example Autoblog says the Genesis coupe is really heavy. It weights something like 3400 or 3500lbs depending on what model.
The 4cyl Turbo Genesis coupe is actually around 130lbs heavier than the Mustang V6.

The Turbo 4cyl Genesis accelrates 0-60mph in somewhere around 7.5 to 8.3 seconds depending on what website you look at(I went to several websites to see the time). This isn't very impressive...the natually aspirated front-wheel-drive 2.0L RSX Type-S or 1.8L Integra Type-R can easily beat this time. The RSX does 0-60mph in about 6.5-6.7 seconds.

Also the V6 Genesis, the price is only few grand cheaper than the 370Z, but does 0-60mph in 6.0-6.5 seconds, only a bit faster than the RSX, a front-wheel-drive Honda with much less displacement, hp and torque.

The 370Z does 0-60mph in 5.1 seconds and the price will be $29,930 US. The Genesis coupe with V6 will be priced similarly, only coupe grand cheaper. (The V6 Genesis will be around $27,000-$29,000US, correct me if I am wrong)

So...yeah comparing to the 370Z I found that the Genesis coupe less attractive. Not trying to be a hater or fanboy, but what do you think? Did you guys know about the Genesis coupe's performance specs? Hyundai says the Genesis coupe is "expected" to do 0-60mph in less than six seconds, but everywhere I look, I don't see that time.:confused:

[tonyvu]

both cars are fail IMO....

[1990TSI]

coupe weighs just over 3200lbs

0-60 is much faster than 7.5 seconds ;)



another sweet Timpost

[Timpo]

OWNED

[Roach]

The RSX and Type R are no longer produced.

However, to humour your thoughtless commentary. An Accord V6 can beat an RSX and Type-R in a straight line.

What is the better driver's car?

Straight line isn't everything. Even magazine racers know that now.

Kev

[toyota86]

test drove the genesis. its drives like an appliance. its neither sporty nor exciting. its heavy, its loud, its slow, it handles pretty poorly. the back seats are useless. it is physically impossible to fit human beings taller than 5 feet in the back. on the plus side, fit and finish is very good. but thats about it.

[Timpo]

hmm ok so the Genesis Coupe might actually be really slow. We don't know the Genesis' skid pad or slalom speed but reading toyota86's comment above, I suspect it is not going to be impressive.

The 370Z's handling is actually very comparable to the BMW...only for like $2,000 more than the Genesis coupe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Po7XrQYIE

[Jackygor]

BENCH RACING FTWWWWW

Something you fail to put into consider is the fact that you get the option of brembo, LSD and most importantly, the 4B11T at a lower price compared to the 370z and the RSX, which is by the way DISCONTINUED. I think the most attractive selling point is that it is a relatively cheap turbo I4 rwd car. How good a car is is not only measured by 0-60...

[Timpo]

BENCH RACING FTWWWWW

Something you fail to put into consider is the fact that you get the option of brembo, LSD and most importantly, the 4B11T at a lower price compared to the 370z and the RSX, which is by the way DISCONTINUED. I think the most attractive selling point is that it is a relatively cheap turbo I4 rwd car. How good a car is is not only measured by 0-60...

ok if you're complaining about the RSX because it's dicontinued, I'll just use a Civic Si as an example.

The price of Civic Si and Turbo 4cyl Genesis are the same, so it's a perfect comparison.
If I'm not wrong, the Civic does 0-60mph in 6.8 seconds. The Turbocharged 4cyl RWD coupe that makes more power/torque does 7 or 8 seconds...I know 0-60mph isn't everything, but that's only to the certain point.

I know Miata was not fast, but it was RWD and light weight, it was nimble and fun to drive. This does not seem like the case with Genesis coupe.

but hey, 2.0L 4cyl RWD turbo coupe should do way faster than 7 or 8 seconds.
I'm sure similar cars, like Nissan Silvia could go way faster and handle better.

I'm guessing the Genesis' weight is causing the problem. It's heavier than Mustang so yea...

[J____]

i never understood how different cars with different tires are compared in a skid pad test to determine which is the better car

[Timpo]

i never understood how different cars with different tires are compared in a skid pad test to determine which is the better car
yeah that's how I used to think. The Lotus Elise has Advan Neova tires, and what would happen if you swap some sort of Canadian Tire brand tires?

but that's like saying "how can you call Ferrari a fast car? if you swap a Corolla engine in it, I wonder which one is actually faster, Ferrari or Corolla?" or "the ZR-1 and GT-R specV have carbon ceramic brakes, how can you say these cars have good braking distance when they have expensive brakes?"

you know? you can argue about the spring rate, 4 speed auto or 8 speed dual-clutch, all the things will add up.

so I think you should just look at it as a car.

[hk20000]

It's just really good platform for modding into all sorts of motorsports use vehicle....

that's what the Genesis coupe is, similar to what the Silvia series had been - versatility. It's not meant to be luxurious or particularly fast but the package is just.....awesome for modifying. It rolls out of the dealership as nothing more than a canvas you can paint on, it's certainly not a finished product.

that's where I see the appeal. And the price. To drive out of the lot under 29K with 210bhp going to the right wheels is win. And you know you can squeeze another 20 30bhp on it the next day if you plug in a boost controller.... It's that kind of car.

Back then the 240SX made 155HP. People still bought them, and that made what Nissan is today. I applaud them for the strategy they employ this is going to sell no matter what Timpo is going to say but it wouldn't be for the fact that the Genesis coupe is such a great car out of the box.

The car looks great but it has no pretensions or any heritage worth mentioning so you don't look like a twat coming out of it all skinny, dorky and look like whiter than florescent light (even if). The price is right so you don't break your bank on it (but you can break it on all sorts of aftermarket company to make it YOUR WHIP)....I mean most of RSers might have grown out of that sort of car by now but there will always be younger folks than us that just got a license and want a sporty thing to drive and mod. Gen Coupe is the answer.

There are people who buy the iPhone 3G because it's Apple and that makes them a twat. Then there are people who go out to buy the HTCs and Blackberry because its functions are l33t and the price is right. Surely the HTC and Blackberry have little funky problems here and there but whoever owns one of these goes out to hack it anyway. That's how the Genesis Coupe customers think.

[cococly]

Back then the 240SX made 155HP. People still bought them, and that made what Nissan is today. I applaud them for the strategy they employ this is going to sell no matter what Timpo is going to say but it wouldn't be for the fact that the Genesis coupe is such a great car out of the box.

The car looks great but it has no pretensions or any heritage worth mentioning so you don't look like a twat coming out of it all skinny, dorky and look like whiter than florescent light (even if). The price is right so you don't break your bank on it (but you can break it on all sorts of aftermarket company to make it YOUR WHIP)....I mean most of RSers might have grown out of that sort of car by now but there will always be younger folks than us that just got a license and want a sporty thing to drive and mod. Gen Coupe is the answer.



Cars only had 2 airbags back then... Cars are much safer now, due to much stronger passanger cell. 155HP at today's weight standard is SLOW. (ie. a FWD family compact sedan is now around 1250kg)

This car is EXPENSIVE if you bought this Genesis Coupe for 35k new and 2 years later,it's worth 15k or less.

meanwhile, my 2.5L turbo gets my AWD car from 0-60 in 5.6sec :)

Build-quaility and depreication always let Korean cars down.

This car might have Great DESIGN, but crappy build quaility..

[Roach]

The only full review I have read so far is from Car Magazine out of the UK.

Brits reviewing a Korean car?

CAR Online has just driven Hyundai’s new rear-wheel drive Genesis Coupe. And it’s good. Very, very good. Hyundai hasn’t yet committed to bringing the car to the UK, but our first drive confirms that – like Barack Obama and the US – the Genesis Coupe would be a transformational character for Hyundai.

CAR getting hot under the collar about a Korean coupe? Are you well? Is the Hyundai Genesis Coupe that good?
Absolutely. We drove this car hard for three full days on everything from motorways to dual carriageways and the twistiest, emptiest back roads we could find. As you can tell, we came away impressed.

Full Story (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-2008-CAR-review-and-video/)

Kev

[J-Wangsta]

ahhh .. i knew it.... the genesis is only a pretty face.... i had an inkling that the performance specs were not going to be very impressive.. WRX ftw!! =P

[Jason00S2000]

370Z and 135i seem like two far-different cars to me


135i is a sporty-but-cushy car designed 50% for fun and 50% to haul around my cookie dough soft fat ass.


370Z seems boy-racer, and to be honest, 350Zs and 370Zs seem like a dime a dozen. G35 is a dime a dozen as well. I see so many of them!

Almost no new cool cars out there, imo, cars from 10+ years ago are still cooler. :(

[.Renn.Sport]

BENCH RACING FTWWWWW

Something you fail to put into consider is the fact that you get the option of brembo, LSD and most importantly, the 4B11T at a lower price compared to the 370z and the RSX, which is by the way DISCONTINUED. I think the most attractive selling point is that it is a relatively cheap turbo I4 rwd car. How good a car is is not only measured by 0-60...

just becuz it have all the necessary hardware doesn't mean it drives great

[Prostrho]

Build-quaility and depreication always let Korean cars down.

This car might have Great DESIGN, but crappy build quaility..

How do u know build quality sucks? Sit in one maybe you'll learn something new. :thumbsup:

[hk20000]

Cars only had 2 airbags back then... Cars are much safer now, due to much stronger passanger cell. 155HP at today's weight standard is SLOW. (ie. a FWD family compact sedan is now around 1250kg)

This car is EXPENSIVE if you bought this Genesis Coupe for 35k new and 2 years later,it's worth 15k or less.

meanwhile, my 2.5L turbo gets my AWD car from 0-60 in 5.6sec :)

Build-quaility and depreication always let Korean cars down.

This car might have Great DESIGN, but crappy build quaility..
The resale value is irrelevant if the Genesis can't be sold to someone in the first place.

i.e. it's priced right FOR HYUNDAI to get in the game. A whole different ballpark than it's priced right FOR YOU.

I doubt it will depreciate the same way other Hyundai products do though it is distinctive enough that I can see a cult following going for it really soon. Just like how you can still sell pos 240SXes and AE86s for a lot of money just coz there aren't anything like that out there. Until there is Genesis Coupe.

So 10 years later you might be surprised how much a 10 year old Hyundai might go for. ;)

[Jason00S2000]

You can probably have more fun beating the shit out of a turbo I4 with LSD and RWD driving with skill, than you can pimping around in a boring ass 100k+ sportscar that you don't know how to drive.


It's not what kind of car you have, but what you do with it!

[too_slow]

Cars only had 2 airbags back then... Cars are much safer now, due to much stronger passanger cell. 155HP at today's weight standard is SLOW. (ie. a FWD family compact sedan is now around 1250kg)

This car is EXPENSIVE if you bought this Genesis Coupe for 35k new and 2 years later,it's worth 15k or less.

meanwhile, my 2.5L turbo gets my AWD car from 0-60 in 5.6sec :)

Build-quaility and depreication always let Korean cars down.

This car might have Great DESIGN, but crappy build quaility..

Err.. Having owned a few Subaru's in the family.. They're definately very reliable and durable, but they aren't great quality.. Let's not even throw depreciation into the formula.

Have you guys try closing a door on a new 2009 Impreza??:eek:

Impressions from my female friend at the chicago auto show when she slammed the door to a WRX : "shit, did i just break something???"

[$_$]

^^

hahahaha

[hamhead]

WHY OH WHY did they have to make it so damn heavy!!!!!

if it was even 400lbs lighter it would PWN!

so 1990TSI owns one now... he should start modding it to make it lighter! like.. remove spare, remove rear seats, gut interior.. hahaha

fuk.. only if this car handled like a 86

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lol owned


still a hyundai

WRX, Lancer turbo , MS3 still gets my vote

[LowTEC]

lol owned


still a hyundai

WRX, Lancer turbo , MS3 still gets my vote

True that, a Ferrari F430 and Vette ZR-1 still gets my vote :rolleyes:

[Timpo]

True that, a Ferrari F430 and Vette ZR-1 still gets my vote :rolleyes:His point was that the Genesis is still a Hyundai.

I agree with the F430 because it's a Ferrari, but the ZR-1 is still a...

[LowTEC]

His point was that the Genesis is still a Hyundai.

I agree with the F430 because it's a Ferrari, but the ZR-1 is still a...

Oh real-fucking-ly? No. Seriously. I never fucking get it, Timpo :eek:

[toyota86]

as a stock car its pretty weak. it might be a good base to build on as its fr, 6spd, lsd, brembo and has a sports coupe body. but, thats something you do after warranty is over and its been depreciated enough that complete running cars can be picked up for cheap. first thing i checked out on the car was how big the engine bay was. its huge. 1j, 2j, rb26, ls7, 3 rotor, ls7, etc all will fit with no problems. its got tuning potential. but really, would you buy a brand new 2.0t and swap the engine out and pretty much make warranty non-existent? unless you are super bored or super rich, who back in the day would swap a sr20 in a brand new 240sx? the car cant just be a blank canvas. it has to be able to be fun and perform when stock as well as responding well to modded.

[cococly]

Err.. Having owned a few Subaru's in the family.. They're definately very reliable and durable, but they aren't great quality.. Let's not even throw depreciation into the formula.

Have you guys try closing a door on a new 2009 Impreza??:eek:

Impressions from my female friend at the chicago auto show when she slammed the door to a WRX : "shit, did i just break something???"

Yes, I realized that when I went to my dealer for an oil-change. My salesperson was so kind that he let me "Test drive" a 08 STI and a WRX265 Sedan while changing the Oil on my car.

He was encouraging me to trade in my 08. lol.

I also thought there's some problems with the driver door on the 09 WRX265 ( my 08 doesn't have this problem ) The sound is like a "clink", not a "slap"

The tester had 40km on it and there's a terrible engine KNOCKING noise when I slowly rolled out of their lot and into the road.

[Euro7r]

Screw the argument of how fast a car is or not and how many seconds it takes to hit from 0-60. This is vancouver, worst traffic ever. People drive 40 in 50 zones. So, it doesn't really matter if your car is 300hp or not, it's not like you can really find road here you can test out the power.

[Corey Darling]

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[threezero]

Screw the argument of how fast a car is or not and how many seconds it takes to hit from 0-60. This is vancouver, worst traffic ever. People drive 40 in 50 zones. So, it doesn't really matter if your car is 300hp or not, it's not like you can really find road here you can test out the power.

lol at worst traffic.

Vancouver's traffic is not that bad compare to say most major american cities and Asia

[DragonChi]

i've just realized that timpo is a car racist...

it's all a cars badge not what it's all about.

[Great68]

as a stock car its pretty weak. it might be a good base to build on as its fr, 6spd, lsd, brembo and has a sports coupe body. but, thats something you do after warranty is over and its been depreciated enough that complete running cars can be picked up for cheap. first thing i checked out on the car was how big the engine bay was. its huge. 1j, 2j, rb26, ls7, 3 rotor, ls7, etc all will fit with no problems. its got tuning potential. but really, would you buy a brand new 2.0t and swap the engine out and pretty much make warranty non-existent? unless you are super bored or super rich, who back in the day would swap a sr20 in a brand new 240sx? the car cant just be a blank canvas. it has to be able to be fun and perform when stock as well as responding well to modded.


Good point. What's the point in raving about Hyundai warranty when what most people want to do with the car is going to void the warranty anyways?
And once you start cracking into a car, swapping stuff out etc., the reliability starts going down the shitter.

[threezero]

i'm looking forward to its cheap resell value.

[Timpo]

Screw the argument of how fast a car is or not and how many seconds it takes to hit from 0-60. This is vancouver, worst traffic ever. People drive 40 in 50 zones. So, it doesn't really matter if your car is 300hp or not, it's not like you can really find road here you can test out the power.
I think the performance does matter even if you have nowhere to attempt anything.

People who drive Ferrari and Lamborghini are feeling cool that they're driving such fast cars. Even tho they don't actually drive fast to show off.

Here is the good example, the Mitsuoka Orochi is known as the Japanese exotic supercar, if you compare the Orochi side-by-side with Lamborghini it actually looks like it's in the same class. However the Orochi is powered by Toyota's V6 engine with auto tranny...because it's an exotic car for people who live in the city and don't need to go fast. Not to mention it's very slow.

The Orochi got no respect because of this reason. If it was powered by better engine, it would've been good. Also it's not about branding thing, if Ferrari made the Orochi, people who say the same thing.

[Timpo]

i've just realized that timpo is a car racist...

it's all a cars badge not what it's all about.

how am I being a car racist? If genesis had a Toyota or Chevy badge I would still say the same thing.

[abinga]

how am I being a car racist? If genesis had a Toyota or Chevy badge I would still say the same thing.

And we would still call you a car racist.

[skyxx]

I just realized that I'm on the Internet...lol. Cause only people on the internet call people Car racist lol.

[LowTEC]

I think the performance does matter even if you have nowhere to attempt anything.

People who drive Ferrari and Lamborghini are feeling cool that they're driving such fast cars. Even tho they don't actually drive fast to show off.

Here is the good example, the Mitsuoka Orochi is known as the Japanese exotic supercar, if you compare the Orochi side-by-side with Lamborghini it actually looks like it's in the same class. However the Orochi is powered by Toyota's V6 engine with auto tranny...because it's an exotic car for people who live in the city and don't need to go fast. Not to mention it's very slow.

The Orochi got no respect because of this reason. If it was powered by better engine, it would've been good. Also it's not about branding thing, if Ferrari made the Orochi, people who say the same thing.

Supercar my ass, which part of that ugly POS shout " exotic supercar", and it's the same class as a Lamborghini? You actually want us to buy into that shit? it's like telling us all you are not a retarded.....

[chun]

NOTHING from Mitsuoka will ever be in the same class as a Lamborghini. WOW.

[Timpo]

ok looks like the Genesis Coupe can go 0-60mph in "under six seconds" as claimed by Hyundai.

Car and Driver got 5.7 seconds
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/performance_files_tested_by_c_d/2010_hyundai_genesis_coupe_3_8_road_test/(page)/1

then again, they got 4.8 seconds for thr 370Z.

[03aspec]

who cares, the gt-r can own it. nothing else matters

[Timpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX-wgjIqyB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Po7XrQYIE

Price:
370Z-$29,930(This is the base model starting price)
Genesis V6 model-price range $27,000 to $29,000
-edit- ok apparently there is a basic $25k model as well.

0-60mph:
370Z-5.1 seconds ( 4.9 sec with 1 foot roll out)
Genesis-6.4 seconds (6.1 sec with 1 foot roll out)

1/4 mile:
370Z-13.4 seconds@105.0mph
Genesis-14.5 seconds@97.9mph

Slalom:
370Z-68.9mph
Genesis-68.2mph

Braking distance from 60mph:
370Z-101 feet
Genesis-111 feet

so yeah, for only like few thousand $ difference, I think the 370Z is better deal.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

LOL that is FUCKING slow for a 306hp car


0-60mph and 1/4mile

[1990TSI]

I'm gonna agree with timpownd on one thing here.

v6 to v6 The 370z is a better performer for not much more money. I personally like the genesis coupes look better than the 370z, but the nissan is a better buy.

The big difference is that you can't buy a turbo 4cyl 370z for $24,500.... that handles like a $40k 370z.


Am I making sense?

[Great68]

The V6 sounds pretty good!

[Leopold Stotch]

lol Edmunds.

if you go for the track version you get ....... a Front Strut Tower Brace,... WOW!

and i agree the V6 sounds good.

[ts604]

ok could somebody please go to a hyundai dealership, open the hood, and look at the size of the components, then look at the room in the engine bay...hyundai has designed the genesis coupe to be a TUNER car, for the average idiot driver, it has more than enough power, easy to drive, etc. but the opportunity for modifications and upgrades are just endless and pretty much planned to happen if your into performance. and for something stock in wich you can fully turn off the traction control, it peels off and puts you in your seat pretty nicely, not to mention one of the best looking coupe's out on the market today, you cant even compare it to a civic si, there's no design whatsoever to them.

[hk20000]

so yeah, for only like few thousand $ difference, I think the 370Z is better deal.

LOL a few THOUSANDS.... :thumbsup: You just proved yourself to be such a Timpo. There are no longer words to describe you you are just Timpo.:haha:

[Death2Theft]

Timpo for being a "car mod" kinda guy this confirms that you indeed only care about the "exterior" body mods while have no clue as to how everything else works. If you had half a clue you'd realize the genesis is going to have more aftermarket support for it than ANY platform in the last 10 years bar none. Engine shares 70% parts with the evo engine. Not to mention the fact that you can easily fit a gt55 in there on an engine bay designed to be worked on by car guys. Unlike every other manufacturer out there making cars more complicated so you would be more inclined to take it to the dealer for service.

That is what makes it GREAT.

[laplapmax]

For that cheap priec.. Genesis coupe 2.0T is worth! but not for the V6 one

[Rikaro]

V6 coupe retest. I was a little surprised why it was so slow before.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-v6-track-retest.html

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

For that cheap priec.. Genesis coupe 2.0T is worth! but not for the V6 one

thats wat i said, V6 top of line is $36-38. no thank you


and why are u bumping this old thread for