[ShanghaiKid]

http://veg-tv.info/Earthlings

1.5 Hr long documentary on speciesism... the 5 ways in which animals serve us, the 5 ways in which we continue to contribute to the cruelest holocaust mankind will ever know.

I'll be honest, I got quite overwhelmed just within the first 10-15 minutes.

Just to make it plain and clear. I do eat meat and in no way am saying that we should be doing something great, or immediately to stop this. I'm just sharing this so that we might all be a little more educated and aware, if some of us aren't already.

[Sp3cial_K]

ok. that was interesting. but i still gotta eat. what can you do about that?

and why did they use jaquein phoenix..what a douchebag.

[ShanghaiKid]

ok. that was interesting. but i still gotta eat. what can you do about that?

and why did they use jaquein phoenix..what a douchebag.

eating isnt what this documentary about, its about the humane treatment of our resources, specifically animals. by abusing the process of mass producing animals as food, were slowly turning nature against us, and its made pretty evident if you watch the entire thing

[JackAss]

watched the whole thing... thanks

[Xnova]

the kosher thing was brutal

[rsx]

veg-tv.info, i'm not expecting a slant on this movie.

[vapour_lock]

phoenix doesnt have the documentary voice. disappointed

[BoneThug]

id rather just not watch it and maintain the status quo. the tasty tasty status quo

[Razor Ramon HG]

The pet section hits close to home because I have a dog of my own.

[hk20000]

I don't understand why that just because vegitables don't move and woof at us it is less cruel to eat them?

So it's better to beat on the retarded kid? Is that it?

On the contrary, I think we should eat less vegetables - give them more time to make us more oxygen....Makes more sense to me. Kill those that uses the same oxygen as we do. ROFL.

[welfare]

well, well, well. aren't we all just good and completely disgusted with ourselves now, hmmm?
my gf's parents run a vietnamese restaurant that is completely vegan. i think if it were more common to see vegetarian restaurants, the choice could be made much simpler.
i know in my short stint of vegetarianism, i didn't mind the actual lack of meat so much as the lack of variety for foods. i think i may try it again though

[welfare]

I don't understand why that just because vegitables don't move and woof at us it is less cruel to eat them?

So it's better to beat on the retarded kid? Is that it?

On the contrary, I think we should eat less vegetables - give them more time to make us more oxygen....Makes more sense to me. Kill those that uses the same oxygen as we do. ROFL.

funny you should mention that. tests have actually proven that plants can in fact sense to a certain extent. quite dated tests, i might add

[NSX]

Damn man, Reality.

Cant believe they put the dog into the garbage truck and crush it. The hell man.

[_Hotsauce_]

eating isnt what this documentary about, its about the humane treatment of our resources, specifically animals. by abusing the process of mass producing animals as food, were slowly turning nature against us, and its made pretty evident if you watch the entire thing


They are animals, not humans, so no need for humane treatment there. I really don't care how my Hamburger gets to me, as long as I can eat it.

No I have not watched the video, but I will tomorrow.

[NSX]

Can somone tell me why they cant put down cows, pigs, etc in a more humane way? Like...needles?
Cant they start the butchering after they are dead?

[deuel_1]

Can somone tell me why they cant put down cows, pigs, etc in a more humane way? Like...needles?
Cant they start the butchering after they are dead?

are you seriously asking why they cant poison cows that are going to be butchered and used for food?

[NSX]

I DONT know. Im not educated in killing animals. Im asking if there is a DIFFERENT way than butchering them so violently while they are alive.

Dont try to be a smartass and take it out of context. I didnt say anything about poisoning. If there is another way, then I would like to know.

are you seriously asking why they cant poison cows that are going to be butchered and used for food?

[welfare]

there are multiple ways, i'm sure. these are the most cost efficient though. and when you're dealing in the slaughter of millions of animals, every penny counts. always the mighty dollar...

[welfare]

They are animals, not humans, so no need for humane treatment there. I really don't care how my Hamburger gets to me, as long as I can eat it.

No I have not watched the video, but I will tomorrow.

take a bow, my friend. take a bow

[twitchyzero]

yeah..cause pulling a vegetable out of the ground isn't treating it as an inferior...

im all against animal abuse..but food is food.

holy shit at 8:10..is that macdonald's farm?

[welfare]

^^ that was sarcasm, i hope. or were you seriously trying to justify not being vegetarian with that defense?
the torches to the pig's skin was interesting though. did you know that pigs skin is the most similar to humans? lotta testing done with those torches

[kookoobird88]

shit i watched about 20 min then it just got depressing
the people who do those jobs really must have no heart or get paid big bones and dont care
the dog getting crushed in the garbage truck is srsly wtf, the whole video really disgusts me even though thats reality :(

[StaxBundlez]

hmm
interesting

im gonna go make myself a burger

[welfare]

the people who do those jobs really must have no heart or get paid big bones and dont care


i'm pretty sure they get paid next to nothing to do it. which really only leaves one other reason to pursue such an occupation...

[iEatClams]

Damn man, Reality.

Cant believe they put the dog into the garbage truck and crush it. The hell man.

man, when i saw the garbage truck, I was like no way, they aren't doing that. . .and then . .. .WTF???? NOOOO U BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!

[iEatClams]

i'm pretty sure they get paid next to nothing to do it. which really only leaves one other reason to pursue such an occupation...

hey, someone has to do it. . . . if you're poor and you came from a poor family. You're parents are poor and you have no connections that can provide you with white collar jobs, and the only way to escape poverty is to do this job, a job that can provide food on the table, you'd do it too.


such is life for 50% of the world's population.

[hk20000]

wait "will not fail to disappoint" so it'll always disappoint?

If that's the case that film has done it. I lose interest 3 minutes into it. It's all because of the explanation of the term specism (sp?). How would we let other species treat us the same way we treat them? Even tigers wouldn't let that happen let a lone humans...

I mean ..... Rather them than me. WTF is a dead cow going to do?

[welfare]

hey, someone has to do it. . . . if you're poor and you came from a poor family. You're parents are poor and you have no connections that can provide you with white collar jobs, and the only way to escape poverty is to do this job, a job that can provide food on the table, you'd do it too.


such is life for 50% of the world's population.

indeed. but i did use the word pursue

[marc0lishuz]

Jumping on chickens has potential to be fun.

This documentary is so biased it's not even funny. Of course they'll pick scenes that are most inhumane, controversial, and ones that "pull at our heartstrings". But then again, that's the point of documentaries, right!

[welfare]

Jumping on chickens has potential to be fun.

This documentary is so biased it's not even funny. Of course they'll pick scenes that are most inhumane, controversial, and ones that "pull at our heartstrings". But then again, that's the point of documentaries, right!

now when you buy those drumsticks at safeway and see the broken ones, you know where it came from.
it's been a long known fact that the industry does treat the animals in ways that are deemed cruel and inhumane. aside from the music and narration, most of the images depicted in that video are the regular, day to day operations of a slaughterhouse.

[twitchyzero]

i actually watched most of the video
it does pull a few heartstrings
retaliation on behalf of circus elephants in interesting
but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

[oinkoinkpig]

i actually watched most of the video
it does pull a few heartstrings
retaliation on behalf of circus elephants in interesting
but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

took the words outta my mouth...
this is life..eat or be eaten (something like that)

[welfare]

but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

i think the idea of the movie was to stress that we shouldn't be doing these things for any reason, as in the grand scheme of it all, they are creatures of the kingdom; of which we are no more or less important than

took the words outta my mouth...
this is life..eat or be eaten (something like that)

i think it's safe to say we're at a bit of an advantage here. we do have the capabilities to hold and manufacture knives, guns, traps, etc...
there's really no sensible excuse. we are just selfish, disgusting, parasites in comparison to the rest of nature

[KingDeeCee]

Downloading this to my iPod. Going to watch it some other day. But judging from the comments. I won't be disappointed.

[_Hotsauce_]

i think the idea of the movie was to stress that we shouldn't be doing these things for any reason, as in the grand scheme of it all, they are creatures of the kingdom; of which we are no more or less important than


Creatures of the kingdom, what the fuck are you talking about. We live on Earth, which is a planet, in which we eat animals. We kill said animals, because we are superior (Or important if you really want) and we eat them.

AKA - Survival of the fittest, Humans ftw.

[TekDragon]

Watched until 1:30 then my add kicked in and I made steak and eggs.

[welfare]

Creatures of the kingdom, what the fuck are you talking about. We live on Earth, which is a planet, in which we eat animals. We kill said animals, because we are superior (Or important if you really want) and we eat them.

AKA - Survival of the fittest, Humans ftw.

you don't comprehend very many things, do you?

[deuel_1]

I DONT know. Im not educated in killing animals. Im asking if there is a DIFFERENT way than butchering them so violently while they are alive.

Dont try to be a smartass and take it out of context. I didnt say anything about poisoning. If there is another way, then I would like to know.

sorry no you didnt specifically say poison but what else would they inject with needles?

i really dont see any non-violent way of killing a living being. and these companies dont care about it because no matter how you do it the animal is going to be in pain, so for them why not do it in the most cost efficient manner.

[Teriyaki]

sorry no you didnt specifically say poison but what else would they inject with needles?

i really dont see any non-violent way of killing a living being. and these companies dont care about it because no matter how you do it the animal is going to be in pain, so for them why not do it in the most cost efficient manner.

Not a bio-sci major or anything here, but I'm thinking: If humans die when you inject air into their bloodstream (hence making sure there is liquid in a needle before injecting), would this work the same way on animals?

[underscore]

this reminds of back when I was in highschool and worked at KFC, somebody ran around the school putting up these posters with pictures of mutilated chickens saying how KFC tortures chickens, which was stupid because KFC buys its chicken from Lilydale, the bins it was shipped in had the Lilydale labels all over it :haha:

I got to the bit with Hitler, and realised this doc was gonna be stupid (IMO). yeah, we're all fucking racists for killing animals and eating them. OM NOM NOM piss off.

now when you buy those drumsticks at safeway and see the broken ones, you know where it came from.

yeah, packaging and shipping. dur.

Can somone tell me why they cant put down cows, pigs, etc in a more humane way? Like...needles?
Cant they start the butchering after they are dead?

I don't know if every place does this but cows and other larger animals can be killing with the compressed air tank which shoots a bolt into the brain and then sucks it back out (as seen in No Country For Old Men)

[underscore]

Not a bio-sci major or anything here, but I'm thinking: If humans die when you inject air into their bloodstream (hence making sure there is liquid in a needle before injecting), would this work the same way on animals?

they die because the bubble reaches the heart and jams up the flow of blood as the bubble can't escape the heart, causing a heart attack. I think that would be worse or equal to what they do now.

[welfare]

Not a bio-sci major or anything here, but I'm thinking: If humans die when you inject air into their bloodstream (hence making sure there is liquid in a needle before injecting), would this work the same way on animals?
takes too long. gotta be cost AND time efficient


I got to the bit with Hitler, and realised this doc was gonna be stupid (IMO). yeah, we're all fucking racists for killing animals and eating them. OM NOM NOM piss off.

that's pretty much how i felt after the first ten minutes. juaoqin's gonna try and tell me some common knowledge shit here. some of it was actually pretty interesting though. the statistics for one

yeah, packaging and shipping. dur.

you don't break bones during packaging. use your god damned head.
refrain from using moronic comments when you address me, and i won't treat you like a fucking cretin.
deal?

I don't know if every place does this but cows and other larger animals can be killing with the compressed air tank which shoots a bolt into the brain and then sucks it back out (as seen in No Country For Old Men)
yeah the doc showed this technique. apparently, wasn't always completely effective either. if what ol juaoquin was saying was indeed true

[optiblue]

it was pretty good, but too much on animal cruelty... in fact, after watching, I got hungry XD

It's true what they said in the video, that if we were forced to eat each other, we'd all become vegetarians... until that day~

[underscore]

you don't break bones during packaging. use your god damned head.
refrain from using moronic comments when you address me, and i won't treat you like a fucking cretin.
deal?

calm down there sparky, I'm just saying that packaging isn't always the gentlest process. by packaging I also meant everything from when the chicken dies to when it gets loaded in a truck, that would include the de feathering, gutting, etc. yeesh.

yeah the doc showed this technique. apparently, wasn't always completely effective either. if what ol juaoquin was saying was indeed true

I could see that happening if it didnt hit the cow quite right. if you're trying to be quick you probably aren't lining it up perfectly either.

[welfare]

calm down there sparky, I'm just saying that packaging isn't always the gentlest process. by packaging I also meant everything from when the chicken dies to when it gets loaded in a truck, that would include the de feathering, gutting, etc. yeesh.


sparky. that is cunning. however, you and i both know how strong those bones are, and how much force it takes to break them. that being said, it's improbable that they would be incurred accidentally. more conceivable that it happened during struggle. and IIRC, the de-feathering process takes place while they're still alive

[underscore]

sparky. that is cunning. however, you and i both know how strong those bones are, and how much force it takes to break them. that being said, it's improbable that they would be incurred accidentally. more conceivable that it happened during struggle. and IIRC, the de-feathering process takes place while they're still alive

chicken bones? we broke them every so often during the breading process at KFC, some are fairly weak. I'm not really sure what this struggle is, unless they kill the chickens like Peter does on Family Guy...

[welfare]

leg bones? i find that difficult to believe, unless they were already fractured.
was reading up on some of this stuff and found that the us department of agriculture had excluded poultry from the humane methods of slaughter act. so it's pretty much whatever gets the job done cheapest and fastest, i suppose

[_Hotsauce_]

you don't comprehend very many things, do you?

Well, God doesn't exist and animals are here for eating, so that's two things! :thumbsup:

[hung_low]

Well, God doesn't exist and animals are here for eating, so that's two things! :thumbsup:

2 does not mean many

we can scratch numbers off the list of things you comprehend

[marc0lishuz]

but imo animals in science research still helps human advance
It was kinda funny when they all say that pain receptors in animals are almost the same as humans, yet when it comes to research, they focus on the difference between humans and animals by saying something like "when we experiment on monkeys, we learn something about monkeys, not humans."

Damn hypocrites.

[_Hotsauce_]

2 does not mean many

we can scratch numbers off the list of things you comprehend

No, it does not mean many, but in the case of this discussion, 2 is the number we are discussing. 1.) "The Kingdom" referring to the greater power in which he referenced previously. 2.) Animal treatment when being slaughtered for human consumption.

Not to sure what you mean by `Many`when we are only looking at two things.

[Ludepower]

Before I watch this video..is it a PETA video?

[LiquidTurbo]

Before I watch this video..is it a PETA video?

No I don't think so.. but please do watch.

[Jason00S2000]

the kosher thing was brutal




Religion is backwards, same with halal meats, etc. Fucking retards.

[Jason00S2000]

Human beings are a mess, almost 7 billion of us, and the majority still believe in stone age books and are scared of invisible sky daddies.


We deserve to be wiped out by a rogue asteroid, I just hope a small group of advanced people get to mars on a colony ship before it happens. I bet the people that goto mars will all be agnostic or atheists, too. :)

[welfare]

how in the hell did this discussion turn to religion? oh, i see. it's jason00s2000 using any opportunity to spew his hatred on the subject. honestly, i don't know why you bother squandering all that energy.

oh no, wait. my apologies. it must have been this low rent simpleton who's incapable of cogitating the expression "animal kingdom"
No, it does not mean many, but in the case of this discussion, 2 is the number we are discussing. 1.) "The Kingdom" referring to the greater power in which he referenced previously. 2.) Animal treatment when being slaughtered for human consumption.

Not to sure what you mean by `Many`when we are only looking at two things.

[_Hotsauce_]

You stated `they are creatures of the kingdom`, the spiritual sovereignty of God or Christ, you did NOT say `Animal Kingdom`, a realm or province of nature, esp. one of the three broad divisions of natural objects, which led me to believe you were basing it off of God.
So, due to the context in which you used the word Kingdom, I came to my conclusion.

We are not going out into the `Animal Kingdom`, or wild, and killing animals anymore. We breed them for the sole purpose of eating (killing) them.

[hung_low]

You stated `they are creatures of the kingdom`, the spiritual sovereignty of God or Christ, you did NOT say `Animal Kingdom`, a realm or province of nature, esp. one of the three broad divisions of natural objects, which led me to believe you were basing it off of God.
So, due to the context in which you used the word Kingdom, I came to my conclusion.

We are not going out into the `Animal Kingdom`, or wild, and killing animals anymore. We breed them for the sole purpose of eating (killing) them.

for someone who thinks god doesn't exist, you sure know your religious terms well. thanks for googling the definition of us

it is a documentary about how humans take advantage of other animals, it's pretty obvious that we are referring to the animal kingdom and not Jamie Foxx's movie

connect the dots yourself

[_Hotsauce_]

for someone who thinks god doesn't exist, you sure know your religious terms well. thanks for googling the definition of us

it is a documentary about how humans take advantage of other animals, it's pretty obvious that we are referring to the animal kingdom and not Jamie Foxx's movie

connect the dots yourself

Uhhh, If I knew the term, I wouldn`t have had to google it...DURRRRRRR.

A Term (Singular) not Terms (Plural).

Did I mention Jamie Foxxxxxxs movie, nope. I am refering to a point made by another user. If an animal is raised by a human, they are not in the `Animal Kindgom` .

Humans, being the superior race, breed and raise animals for the sole purpose of human consumption (killing and eating). So I really don`t care how the burger gets to my table at whatever restaurant I`m eating at.

Also, people don`t regularly associate human feelings with cows and chickens (And whatever other animal that is raised for food purposes that is mentioned in this video), as they are a purpose animal. If we were talking about dogs or cats, in which we regularly associate with human characteristics, then this might be more of an issue.

LETS GET THESE MOTHER FUCKING ANIMALS OUT OF THE MOTHER FUCKING KINGDOM and into my stomach

[Grandmaster TSE]

wouldn't really call it a documentary, more like propaganda videos

you gotta think about the other side of the equation, what if we didn't eat animals and we're all vegetarians
well the world would be overrun by mass populations of different species fighting for a spot on earth. and without us eating some of these animals, they're gonna breed like wildfire. yes, of course there will be some bigger predatory animals that will eat these animals and control the population to an extent, but guess what, these predatory animals are gonna breed like wildfire as well.

and thats just the creature side of things, think about all the vegetation that will be gone will all those creatures out there.

we're in the food chain, and its necessary for the ecosystem that we live in to be in balance. one member of the food chain is out, everything is gonna be messed up

[Jason00S2000]

So I really don`t care how the burger gets to my table at whatever restaurant I`m eating at.[/B]


Cruelty does this world no good.

[Jason00S2000]

wouldn't really call it a documentary, more like propaganda videos

you gotta think about the other side of the equation, what if we didn't eat animals and we're all vegetarians
well the world would be overrun by mass populations of different species fighting for a spot on earth. and without us eating some of these animals, they're gonna breed like wildfire. yes, of course there will be some bigger predatory animals that will eat these animals and control the population to an extent, but guess what, these predatory animals are gonna breed like wildfire as well.

and thats just the creature side of things, think about all the vegetation that will be gone will all those creatures out there.

we're in the food chain, and its necessary for the ecosystem that we live in to be in balance. one member of the food chain is out, everything is gonna be messed up



In case you haven't noticed, there are nearly 7 billion humans on earth, seems like WE are the problem.

[Shead]

you don't comprehend very many things, do you?

i gata agree with u, he's not being very understanding of the situation

[Grandmaster TSE]

In case you haven't noticed, there are nearly 7 billion humans on earth, seems like WE are the problem.

natural disasters
diseases
dumbasses doing stupid things that gets them and other dumbasses killed
accidents
there are many factors out there that controls the human population, human intended or not, but what is there other than being killed by something higher up on the food chain that controls the other populations out there

and there are many animals that exceeds 7 billion in population

[Jason00S2000]

natural disasters
diseases
dumbasses doing stupid things that gets them and other dumbasses killed
accidents
there are many factors out there that controls the human population, human intended or not, but what is there other than being killed by something higher up on the food chain that controls the other populations out there

and there are many animals that exceeds 7 billion in population


http://www.prb.org/Educators/TeachersGuides/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx


Name some animals that exceed 7 billion?


There were many factors controlling human growth, now there are far less.

[Grandmaster TSE]

http://www.prb.org/Educators/TeachersGuides/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx


Name some animals that exceed 7 billion?


There were many factors controlling human growth, now there are far less.

think about all the birds there are
all of them make up way more than 7 billion
and don't be like they're all different, cuz if you say it like that, then you're gonna have to seperate human by race

yes there are far less, but there are still some left, and there could be possibly more in the future

[ericthehalfbee]

When animals evolve into something that doesn't taste so good, then I'll stop eating them.

[_Hotsauce_]

i gata agree with u, he's not being very understanding of the situation

Not being understanding? Why would I be understanding of his view point if I disagree with it.

[StaxBundlez]

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2000/images/gladiator_In_Chains.jpg

FOR ROME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grandmaster TSE]

surprised he didn't rap this

[underscore]

wouldn't really call it a documentary, more like propaganda videos

you gotta think about the other side of the equation, what if we didn't eat animals and we're all vegetarians
well the world would be overrun by mass populations of different species fighting for a spot on earth. and without us eating some of these animals, they're gonna breed like wildfire. yes, of course there will be some bigger predatory animals that will eat these animals and control the population to an extent, but guess what, these predatory animals are gonna breed like wildfire as well.

and thats just the creature side of things, think about all the vegetation that will be gone will all those creatures out there.

we're in the food chain, and its necessary for the ecosystem that we live in to be in balance. one member of the food chain is out, everything is gonna be messed up

In case you haven't noticed, there are nearly 7 billion humans on earth, seems like WE are the problem.

exactly, we may be fucked up now, but if everyone became veggies, the world would be even more fucked.

[hung_low]

Not being understanding? Why would I be understanding of his view point if I disagree with it.

did you even watch it?

[_Hotsauce_]

did you even watch it?

Nope, and like I`ve said over and over, I don`t care how the cow gets to my table, as long as it gets there.

[welfare]

people don`t regularly associate human feelings with cows and chickens (And whatever other animal that is raised for food purposes that is mentioned in this video), as they are a purpose animal.


:thumbsup:
i've got news for you, skippy. just because something becomes commonplace in society, doesn't mean it's necessarily righteously moral.

you gotta think about the other side of the equation, what if we didn't eat animals and we're all vegetarians
well the world would be overrun by mass populations of different species fighting for a spot on earth. and without us eating some of these animals, they're gonna breed like wildfire. yes, of course there will be some bigger predatory animals that will eat these animals and control the population to an extent, but guess what, these predatory animals are gonna breed like wildfire as well.

do you actually think before you type out this dribble? if you said no, i definitely wouldn't think you were lying.
do you have any idea of the way nature works? how it all balances itself? pick up a book, kid. hell, use some god damned common sense even.

and thats just the creature side of things, think about all the vegetation that will be gone will all those creatures out there.

most edible vegetation replenishes annually.





and there are many animals that exceeds 7 billion in population

hmmm. alright. sounds like you're doing some thinking again.

think about all the birds there are
all of them make up way more than 7 billion
and don't be like they're all different, cuz if you say it like that, then you're gonna have to seperate human by race


humans are a single species. birds are not. they are a family of thousands upon thousands of different species.

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2000/images/gladiator_In_Chains.jpg

FOR ROME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

exactly, we may be fucked up now, but if everyone became veggies, the world would be even more fucked.

how so? oh yeah. i forgot. cows are gonna breed like wildfire.:haha:

Nope, and like I`ve said over and over, I don`t care how the cow gets to my table, as long as it gets there.
what you lack in discipline, you make up with ignorance

[underscore]

look beyond cows you idiot, and you might see how there would be a bigger problem.

[_Hotsauce_]

^
Look beyond cows? I really don't care what animal I'm eating, it's all the same shit to me.


what you lack in discipline, you make up with ignorance

I'm ignorant because I don't agree with your point of view? That's interesting.

This thread is retarded.

[ShanghaiKid]

i think most of you guys are missing the underlying point in the documentary.. it isn't about how much of these animals were processing and consuming, but rather the way in which were processing them at all.

do you really want cruelly treated, weakened, and unnaturally cultured foods and goods going down your digestive tract? eventually this will have aversive effects, as any of you would have seen if you watched it - mad cow disease, heart disease, etc. etc. the list goes on.

yes, eventually the animal/mammal in question will be slaughtered for food, as some of you have noted. but does that mean it has to be done in an inhumane and cruel manner, even if slightly more cost efficient? my understanding is most people nowadays wouldn't think twice before paying for a higher grade of food for the benefit of their own god forsaken health. in the end, its the careful and compassionate treatment of the very food we consume thats the central message.

[hung_low]

^
Look beyond cows? I really don't care what animal I'm eating, it's all the same shit to me.

I'm ignorant because I don't agree with your point of view? That's interesting.

This thread is retarded.

this thread became retarded the second you posted your meaningless points & ignorant ideas.

its so fun reading your replies. you remind me of monkeys typing hahaha

[hung_low]

Nope, and like I`ve said over and over, I don`t care how the cow gets to my table, as long as it gets there.

by the way, maybe you should actually watch the movie before you input your comments rather than just rambling on with no clue what the hell you are talking about

right now you just sound like a douche

[Shead]

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2000/images/gladiator_In_Chains.jpg

LOL
i see welfare and hotsauce hahaha!
guess who's Caesar?

[welfare]

look beyond cows you idiot, and you might see how there would be a bigger problem.
i'm not sure i follow. please elaborate.

^


I'm ignorant because I don't agree with your point of view? That's interesting.

no. when i type words, they're written in their correct context
figure it out. it shouldn't be very difficult

[ericthehalfbee]

As can be expected with anything where content is provided by PETA, there's a lot of BS in this video.

PETA's favorite trick is to find some footage of animals being abused and then paint the entire industry with the same brush.

I grew up on a farm and have seen slaughterhouses and nothing I've seen compares to this video. Of course, since they have "video proof" then these events obviously happened. But I like how they don't provide any information whatsoever as to their sources. Which farms were these? Which slaughterhouses? Why don't they name names? I'll tell you why: Because I bet a lot of this footage isn't even from Canada or the US.


Here's another fact they portray that's completely wrong: the idea that because farmers & producers want maximum profit that they overcrowd and abuse their animals in the name of profit.

The fact is that overcrowded and stressed animals make the farmer less money. The "quality" of the animal isn't as good and the "quality" of the animal before it gets slaughtered is what determines profit.

It sounds strange to say that a farmer who is going to ultimately see their livestock butchered is going to treat that livestock "well", but it's the truth. Healthy animals make big profits. Sick, stressed animals don't. What farmers will try is to find a balance where they can keep the animals healthy (and profitable) while increasing production. They don't simply use the model that "the more the better" (meaning, overcrowding to get the highest number of animals).

[_Hotsauce_]

this thread became retarded the second you posted your meaningless points & ignorant ideas.

its so fun reading your replies. you remind me of monkeys typing hahaha

My ideas are only ignorant to you because you disagree with them. I have read the thread, so have a full understanding about what this movie entails.

Post above me hits the nail on the head, and is why I understand the topic, and also did not watch the movie "PETA's favorite trick is to find some footage of animals being abused and then paint the entire industry with the same brush."
"I grew up on a farm and have seen slaughterhouses and nothing I've seen compares to this video. Of course, since they have "video proof" then these events obviously happened. But I like how they don't provide any information whatsoever as to their sources. Which farms were these? Which slaughterhouses? Why don't they name names? I'll tell you why: Because I bet a lot of this footage isn't even from Canada or the US."

@Welfare, lol wut?

[Nightwalker]

Life isn't fair, I'll enjoy the advantage we've got.

[Grandmaster TSE]

:thumbsup:
i've got news for you, skippy. just because something becomes commonplace in society, doesn't mean it's necessarily righteously moral.

do you actually think before you type out this dribble? if you said no, i definitely wouldn't think you were lying.
do you have any idea of the way nature works? how it all balances itself? pick up a book, kid. hell, use some god damned common sense even.

most edible vegetation replenishes annually.




hmmm. alright. sounds like you're doing some thinking again.



humans are a single species. birds are not. they are a family of thousands upon thousands of different species.



lol



how so? oh yeah. i forgot. cows are gonna breed like wildfire.:haha:


what you lack in discipline, you make up with ignorance

david suzuki in the hizzzouse

[hung_low]

My ideas are only ignorant to you because you disagree with them. I have read the thread, so have a full understanding about what this movie entails.

Post above me hits the nail on the head, and is why I understand the topic, and also did not watch the movie

@Welfare, lol wut?

HAHAHHA thanks for proving my point with your ignorance.

your comments/ideas are based on someone else's interpretation, so you're just basically paraphrasing

"food" is only 1 of 5 parts in the movie, so using simple ratios, your IQ is probably 20% of a normal person

thanks for making me laugh

ps. i don't think you are ignorant, just your ideas

[welfare]

As can be expected with anything where content is provided by PETA, there's a lot of BS in this video.

PETA's favorite trick is to find some footage of animals being abused and then paint the entire industry with the same brush.

I grew up on a farm and have seen slaughterhouses and nothing I've seen compares to this video. Of course, since they have "video proof" then these events obviously happened. But I like how they don't provide any information whatsoever as to their sources. Which farms were these? Which slaughterhouses? Why don't they name names? I'll tell you why: Because I bet a lot of this footage isn't even from Canada or the US.

"The total number of mammals and birds raised and killed for food in the U.S. this year is expected to reach 9.906 billion. This represents a 2% increase over the 2000 figure of 9.713 billion." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.01]

with all due respect, i highly doubt the farms you were referring to resembled the factories in which the majority of that staggering statistic were created. that was in 2000, BTW. i'm sure the numbers are much higher now

Here's another fact they portray that's completely wrong: the idea that because farmers & producers want maximum profit that they overcrowd and abuse their animals in the name of profit.

The fact is that overcrowded and stressed animals make the farmer less money. The "quality" of the animal isn't as good and the "quality" of the animal before it gets slaughtered is what determines profit.

"The total [almost 10 billion] also includes nearly 860 million animals who die from mistreatment before ever reaching the slaughterhouse." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.03]

quantity>quality. fact is, people sacrifice quality for cost. a higher quantity equals a lower cost to the retailer. the retailer assumes the average consumer can't tell the difference, and for the most part, is correct. unfortunately, it's the tune that's played to a lot of things in the world these days. look around you and you'll see what i'm saying is true


My ideas are only ignorant to you because you disagree with them. I have read the thread, so have a full understanding about what this movie entails.



@Welfare, lol wut?
i see what the problem is here. you don't actually know what the word ignorant means. let me help you out with that
1 a: destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society> ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>2: unaware , uninformed
and here's the reason i so appropriately defined you as such


So I really don`t care how the burger gets to my table at whatever restaurant I`m eating at.


did you even watch it?


Nope, and like I`ve said over and over, I don`t care how the cow gets to my table, as long as it gets there

i could care less if you disagree with me. in fact, i prefer it. it's just that you bring forth absolutely nothing of value to the discussion.

david suzuki in the hizzzouse

you realize that everything i'd stated in response to your comment was pretty much not beyond a twelve year old child's common knowledge, don't you?

i think i've wasted about as much energy as i care to bantering in this thread. unless, of course, anybody wishes to carry on a remotely intelligent discussion

[Grandmaster TSE]

you realize that everything i'd stated in response to your comment was pretty much not beyond a twelve year old child's common knowledge, don't you?

i think i've wasted about as much energy as i care to bantering in this thread. unless, of course, anybody wishes to carry on a remotely intelligent discussion

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shead]

"The total number of mammals and birds raised and killed for food in the U.S. this year is expected to reach 9.906 billion. This represents a 2% increase over the 2000 figure of 9.713 billion." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.01]

with all due respect, i highly doubt the farms you were referring to resembled the factories in which the majority of that staggering statistic were created. that was in 2000, BTW. i'm sure the numbers are much higher now

"The total [almost 10 billion] also includes nearly 860 million animals who die from mistreatment before ever reaching the slaughterhouse." (extrapolation of data published by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) by FARM: http://www.farm.org For report pdf: http://www.wfad.org/RESOURCES/NRAnVictims2x.pdf) [02.10.01.03]

quantity>quality. fact is, people sacrifice quality for cost. a higher quantity equals a lower cost to the retailer. the retailer assumes the average consumer can't tell the difference, and for the most part, is correct. unfortunately, it's the tune that's played to a lot of things in the world these days. look around you and you'll see what i'm saying is true



i see what the problem is here. you don't actually know what the word ignorant means. let me help you out with that
1 a: destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society> ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>2: unaware , uninformed
and here's the reason i so appropriately defined you as such




i could care less if you disagree with me. in fact, i prefer it. it's just that you bring forth absolutely nothing of value to the discussion.



you realize that everything i'd stated in response to your comment was pretty much not beyond a twelve year old child's common knowledge, don't you?

i think i've wasted about as much energy as i care to bantering in this thread. unless, of course, anybody wishes to carry on a remotely intelligent discussion
yea u fucking tell'em LOL

[_Hotsauce_]

Does it bother you that I eat baby cow?

I really don't care about this topic at all, so I'll stop my bullshit posts ;)