[Jason00S2000]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idXXnM1sQG-Yvo4-iKID6v7WL60Q



wat



:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

[RacePace]

"Li then sawed off McLean's head with the knife, pocketed the victim's nose, lips and an ear, and taunted police and bystanders with the severed head, said prosecutors."

That is just some nasty ass shit.......hope he gets life

[BoneThug]

ballsy guy. i respect his balls. and the ball of his victims that he wears around his neck.

[Grandmaster TSE]

wow, thats messed

[Harvey Specter]

He'll serve his sentence at some mental institution and be out in 5 years. Gotta love Canada.

[DC5-S]

he will probably be hunted down once hes out

[InvisibleSoul]

Obviously he's going to plead not guilty on the basis of insanity...

[t8v6]

dammn...sick shit O.o

[t8v6]

shit i just noticed that happened on my birthday too >.>

[Ducdesmo]

I always feel bad for the attorney that has to defend people such as this. Question is, if you were paid $150-200k/year, would you have problem sleeping at night knowing that you let a potential serial killer on the loose?

[misteranswer]

I always feel bad for the attorney that has to defend people such as this. Question is, if you were paid $150-200k/year, would you have problem sleeping at night knowing that you let a potential serial killer on the loose?

Well, you can say that about a prosecutor/cop who potentially sent an innocent person to prison for life. I'm not referring specifically to this case. They are just doing their job, so they probably don't care too much. In fact, they are probably proud because they won.

[hal0g0dv2]

w0w thats fucked up

[HonestTea]

FUCK...THIS IS BULLSHIT!

[Culture_Vulture]

who cares if he pleads not guilty,
tie that sicko onto a boulder and toss him into the ocean

[jofo]

feed him to alive to some sort of man eating animal

[JHuJHu]

thats fucking BULLSHIT.

[Vansterdam]

heard this when i was in vietnam this is harsh fucked

[AzNightmare]

LOL, wait, so if you claim you are insane, you are free to do anything you want with minimal consequences?

[orange7]

As well, the court heard Li was suffering from auditory hallucinations on the day of the attack, that he heard God's voice telling him to carry a knife with him at all times in order to fight evil, to board a Greyhound bus from Edmonton to Winnipeg, and to kill McLean.
Li dismembered McLean's body, the psychiatrist said, because he feared McLean had supernatural powers and could resurrect from the dead, and so it was not enough to just kill him.

wth?

[BoneThug]

he will probably be hunted down once hes out

why?

[Durrann1984]

whaat theeee....
what if he does it again when he's out?!?!?

[asian_XL]

LOL, wait, so if you claim you are insane, you are free to do anything you want with minimal consequences?

welcome to common law 101

[BoneThug]

whaat theeee....
what if he does it again when he's out?!?!?

who cares? just send him back to saskatewan or manitoba or where ever. any one who goes there knows they're wont make it out alive. they took their chances and will have to live with it. or get murdered by psychos

[LemonH2O]

He's lucky he didn't do this in china, he would have be shot dead at the crime scene if anything

[bobyu]

im not surprised if chinese gets discriminated even more after this

[Rich Sandor]

I think this is a primo example of situations where the death sentence needs to be applied.

Dozens of people saw him commit the crime, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he is 100% guilty. The trial is nothing but a formality.

We have NO ROOM in our society for people who would do such a horrible thing.

[InvisibleSoul]

LOL, wait, so if you claim you are insane, you are free to do anything you want with minimal consequences?
No.

It has to be proven you're insane.

[Nocardia]

I think this is a primo example of situations where the death sentence needs to be applied.

Dozens of people saw him commit the crime, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he is 100% guilty. The trial is nothing but a formality.

We have NO ROOM in our society for people who would do such a horrible thing.

I feel the same way. So what if he was insane? So what if he "thought" the other guy had supernatural powers. Does that justify what he did? Does it make him any less guilty?

[KingDeeCee]

shit i just noticed that happened on my birthday too >.>

Not as bad as me.

9/11

[The_AK]

I always feel bad for the attorney that has to defend people such as this. Question is, if you were paid $150-200k/year, would you have problem sleeping at night knowing that you let a potential serial killer on the loose?

not at all, if anything you would feel safer as the lawyer
a serial killer will kill by patterns and in a specific order,
so if he was killing ONLY hobos he will continue to kill hobos, unless you as a lawyer somehow go bankrupt and become a hobo or if the serial killer was known for killing lawyers...

its those random lunatics you want to keep your eye out for

[antonito]

LOL, wait, so if you claim you are insane, you are free to do anything you want with minimal consequences?

Other than being remanded to a mental institution, sure, he'd be "free"

[danny_d19]

Not as bad as me.

9/11
It's just another day in the year

[pawdregry4g]

LOL, wait, so if you claim you are insane, you are free to do anything you want with minimal consequences?

Can you even call yourself sane, if you removed ears from a decapitated head and then started eating the flesh?

If this was fallout three, his character would have chosen the Cannibalism, and the Contract Killer perk

[3seriesBeeM]

LOL, wait, so if you claim you are insane, you are free to do anything you want with minimal consequences?

your are not free to do anything with minimal consequences. if you plead not criminally responsible by reason of mental disorder. You are sent to a mental hospital and they are allowed to keep you there for the maximum amount of time that you would have served in prison had you been found guilty so in this case LIFE. you are in a mental hospital for life instead of a prison and you are reviewed by a panel every year and if they still say you are a threat to public safety you will remain in the hospital. And in this case there is no way they will let him out of the hospital he will die in there just like he would have died in prison. And there is a very strict set of criteria that needs to be met before you can plead insanity 1) you have to suffer from a disease of the mind at the time of the offense that either made you 2)unable to appreciate the nature and quality of the offense or that they did not know it was wrong.

[GLOW]

As well, the court heard Li was suffering from auditory hallucinations on the day of the attack, that he heard God's voice telling him to carry a knife with him at all times in order to fight evil, to board a Greyhound bus from Edmonton to Winnipeg, and to kill McLean.
Li dismembered McLean's body, the psychiatrist said, because he feared McLean had supernatural powers and could resurrect from the dead, and so it was not enough to just kill him.

how does that explain him taunting the police with the victim's head? that makes no sense. he should go for the stupidity plea. i hope the cdn justice system isnt this stupid

[hypediss]

reminds me of seven

[Harvey Specter]

he will probably be hunted down once hes out

He needed extra security because they were death threats against him. I'm sure he's going get his ass rocked or worst if he's sent to a prison and released into the general prison population.

[MarkyMark]

Whether he goes to jail or a mental institution he's pretty fucked either way, they don't just like a guy like that walk back on the streets after 5 years of rehab...

[monkeywrench]

the victim's family will cut his head off and say their insane too

[StaxBundlez]

wow

what the fuck can you say about that?

[Noir]

He needed extra security because they were death threats against him. I'm sure he's going get his ass rocked or worst if he's sent to a prison and released into the general prison population.

Must be public death threats only. You get major jailhouse cred for walking in with that kind of rap sheet. :D

[kc1337]

Maybe he was hungry and needed some snacks.

[Ducdesmo]

not at all, if anything you would feel safer as the lawyer
a serial killer will kill by patterns and in a specific order,
so if he was killing ONLY hobos he will continue to kill hobos, unless you as a lawyer somehow go bankrupt and become a hobo or if the serial killer was known for killing lawyers...

its those random lunatics you want to keep your eye out for

You don't think this guy is random lunatic enough for you? LOL.

[moomooCow]

not at all, if anything you would feel safer as the lawyer
a serial killer will kill by patterns and in a specific order,
so if he was killing ONLY hobos he will continue to kill hobos, unless you as a lawyer somehow go bankrupt and become a hobo or if the serial killer was known for killing lawyers...

its those random lunatics you want to keep your eye out for

I think he's talking about having a guilty conscience rather than being hunted by the guy.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

somebody torture this guy

PLEASE


throw his to ass to asia or middle east

[BNR32_Coupe]

as much as i want this guy to be punished and locked up for life / sent to death row in the states, he is actually insane. he needs to be locked up in an asylum.

how can anyone argue that you're not insane when you're pocketing the dudes face parts like he's a mr.potatoe head and snacking on him too?? as for the victim, he probably didn't feel much pain. after getting stabbed numerous times in the chest by a large combat knife, you'll be trying to find your way back home, dead & gone

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

insane or not, wat he did was way over board.


i could really careless, he needs to be tortured either way

[q0192837465]

he'll get it. & we'll all forget about it pretty soon.

[taylor192]

He'll be back on the street in 5 years under new meds.
He was able to fool his family/friends before into thinking he was sane, he'll do it again.

[blkgsr]

sane or not, why do we need to keep someone like this around?

good example for the death penalty

[synchrocone]

I was pretty shaken up by the incident last year because he apparently worked at the same place I worked at 2 or 3 summer ago.

[TheKingdom2000]

when he's found guilty he'll get a harsher sentence.

usually when you plead guilty you can get some time off..

but this guy is a shit head anyways i hope they fuck him up on the inside.

[shenmecar]

its how the world goes round! =D

[c_loke]

i hope the guy gets locked in an asylum rather than going to jail to atleast try to get some rehabilitation.

knowing canada, life sentences dont mean shit and he'll get out of prison in half the time, more f-ed up than ever. who knows what will happen next

[tonyvu]

that's fucking messed up...

[BabyblooLexus]

Li then sawed off McLean's head with the knife, pocketed the victim's nose, lips and an ear, and taunted police and bystanders with the severed head, said prosecutors

shit

[flameboy54]

Vince Li, who beheaded a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba has been found not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

http://twitter.com/CKNW

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

fuck police should have just shot him wih a HS when he was taunting the police with the head in his hands

[odotodoMAN]

No jail for sick Canadian who beheaded passenger

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE5245UU20090305

[tool001]

was he tazed when they took him down, anybody??

[RacePace]

"Police said body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, although part of his heart and both eyes were never found and were presumed to have been eaten by Li."

FUCKING NASTY

[Noir]

No jail for sick Canadian who beheaded passenger

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE5245UU20090305


No surprise really. Kinda saw that coming a mile away. I mean you really have to be batshit insane to do all that and not even try to get away.

[Vansterdam]

no jail for him

[_Hotsauce_]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5idXXnM1sQG-Yvo4-iKID6v7WL60Q



wat



:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

Fucked up shit -->>6

[twitchyzero]

they're now integrating him back into society

i agree with the claim that if he's well enough to leave psych ward then he should be well enough to face a traditional sentence

they won't release which group home he's being moved to to prevent vigilantism

Vince Li, Greyhound bus beheader, OK'd to move to Winnipeg group home - Manitoba - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-greyhound-bus-beheader-ok-d-to-move-to-winnipeg-group-home-1.3064950)

I just read the wiki on the case at 3am....:ohgodwhy:
apparently one of the 1st responders committed sucide last year due to PTSD :(

[dvst8]

Apparently our justice system switched over to Isis law. Beheadings are ok.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I always feel bad for the attorney that has to defend people such as this. Question is, if you were paid $150-200k/year, would you have problem sleeping at night knowing that you let a potential serial killer on the loose?

When you agree to defend that guy you fully know what you are going into.

My mom always said lawyer and doctor are similar and different at the time same. Both will try to save their clients/patients weather they are a serial killer, average job or that grandma down the street. The difference is that as a lawyer you do it for money (a lot of money) and if you can pick the person you are defending. A doctor doesn't make as much but will help anyone coming into the hospital/clinic.........

[frozen]

Should just euthanize ppl like this. Zero benefit to the society.

[Pagani]

Apparently, some of the RCMP officers who first appeared on the scene ended up with mental issues and committed suicide.

Six years after Vince Li beheaded a Greyhound passenger, another death: Mountie at the scene commits suicide | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/six-years-after-vince-li-beheaded-a-greyhound-passenger-another-death-mountie-at-the-scene-commits-suicide)

[StylinRed]

Apparently, some of the RCMP officers who first appeared on the scene ended up with mental issues and committed suicide.

Six years after Vince Li beheaded a Greyhound passenger, another death: Mountie at the scene commits suicide | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/six-years-after-vince-li-beheaded-a-greyhound-passenger-another-death-mountie-at-the-scene-commits-suicide)

would make a great horror movie no? whatever demon was in the asian guy passed on to the mounties and fucked with them and so on...

[FerrariEnzo]

WOW... all these people who plea not guilty use the "Mentally Ill" excuse... makes me angry... i think our legal system needs to be tweaked...

[StylinRed]

WOW... all these people who plea not guilty use the "Mentally Ill" excuse... makes me angry... i think our legal system needs to be tweaked...

uh...no, it's not an 'excuse' and it has to be proven... unless what you're actually saying is you advocate punishing the mentally insane

[jaguar604]

would make a great horror movie no? whatever demon was in the asian guy passed on to the mounties and fucked with them and so on...

The demon is mental illness.

[fliptuner]

they won't release which group home he's being moved to to prevent vigilantism


Protect the guilty. :rukidding:

[Verdasco]

the judge knows more than we do.

i took some philosophy courses and i can see why the judge did what she/he did

[quasi]

uh...no, it's not an 'excuse' and it has to be proven... unless what you're actually saying is you advocate punishing the mentally insane

I don't see it like that, I think he's to big of a risk to let into a halfway house or group home though. I'd rather error on the side of caution with a case like this, he should never see the light of day. That's my opinion, the judge obviously seen it different which is unfortunate.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Protect the guilty. :rukidding:

Umm..no technically he is not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder.

[carisear]

uh...no, it's not an 'excuse' and it has to be proven... unless what you're actually saying is you advocate punishing the mentally insane

I completely would advocate punishing the mentally insane.

And yes, it is an excuse. They may have been born with that handicap, but that doesnt' give them the right to do things which are against the social norm. If someone beheads someone, they should do the time. simple.

[flagella]

"The 51-year-old member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is among 13 first responders who have killed themselves in the past 10 weeks"

Wtf did I read that right?

[PiuYi]

The difference is that as a lawyer you do it for money (a lot of money) and if you can pick the person you are defending.

I don't think that's right for all lawyers... Since everyone's entitled to a fair trial, if the defendant is too poor to afford a lawyer, he gets assigned a lawyer paid for by the government I believe

which is what may have happened here



also, this happened 6 years ago?? holy shit time flies... feels like it was max 2 years ago

[Majestic12]

I completely would advocate punishing the mentally insane.

And yes, it is an excuse. They may have been born with that handicap, but that doesnt' give them the right to do things which are against the social norm. If someone beheads someone, they should do the time. simple.

This is ridiculous. In what way is it an excuse? It's a sickness. If someone had an undiagnosed heart condition and had a heart attack while driving a car and crashed into someone, would you advocate for them to be punished with jail time?

Nobody's saying he has "the right" to kill people, but it's a mitigating circumstance.

So no, it's not simple.

[Majestic12]

I don't see it like that, I think he's to big of a risk to let into a halfway house or group home though. I'd rather error on the side of caution with a case like this, he should never see the light of day. That's my opinion, the judge obviously seen it different which is unfortunate.

Thankfully, the legal system values personal liberties, so someone that isn't guilty of any crime can't be jailed indefinitely just to err on the side of caution. It's the same reason everyone's bitching against Bill C-51 and against the NSA, etc. If the paramount consideration was security, we'd gladly give up privacy and security in exchange for Big Brother looking over everyone's shoulders and making sure nobody gets hurt. But we don't. So yeah, maybe there's a risk he might re-offend. But in the eyes of the experts who know vastly more than you or I, the risk is low, and he is capable of re-entering society and becoming a productive member of the public. If the risk is minimal, isn't that better than just throwing another person in a room with padded walls and having our tax dollars paying for his care for the next 50 years?

[twitchyzero]

well enough to live in a group home and eventually become a contributing member of society again? then he's well enough to face a regular sentence

think about how just this decision is to the victim's family, the other passengers, the first responders and even the current residents of the group home he'll be staying with.

If he's really low risk outside of padded walls then may be he should board with the judge and psychiatrist that approved this permission. How can anyone ask the public to trust that he'll be dilligent in taking meds?

[Majestic12]

Face a regular sentence for what? The courts already held that he was not guilty. You can't just throw people in prison for no reason.

[ImportPsycho]

I would like to see him move right next door to Majestic12
How about Majestic12, give him a ride to where ever he needs to go? make sure he doesn't get lost?

[pinn3r]

I completely would advocate punishing the mentally insane.

And yes, it is an excuse. They may have been born with that handicap, but that doesnt' give them the right to do things which are against the social norm. If someone beheads someone, they should do the time. simple.

You're misguided

Sure, they may "do things" that are "against the social norm"; but, they lack the mental capacity to appreciate the nature & quality of the act or of knowing that it was wrong (quoted from the CCC).

Basically, they don't have guilty minds. If you wanna get all technical n shit, they are unable to form a mens rea.

You would punish someone who couldn't appreciate the weight of his/her actions?

[StylinRed]

I completely would advocate punishing the mentally insane.

And yes, it is an excuse. They may have been born with that handicap, but that doesnt' give them the right to do things which are against the social norm. If someone beheads someone, they should do the time. simple.

i guess you cheered the lynch mob in 'of mice and men' :crazy2: and 'Frankenstein'

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

RS:

-man does phone sale scam: should be ruined for life. the law says it's fraud! it's fraud!!! hang him!!!

-man cuts another man's head and body parts off and eats some of them: should be helped to be integrated back into society. the law says he's excused... HE'S EXCUSED!!!


the law is religion. it is black and white. there is no discretion beyond the law. amen. brothers, let us hold hands and rejoice in this opportunity, and to praise the upholding of virtue and all that is true and right, dictated by our divine law.

[AzNightmare]

It is a complicated situation and I can see both sides of the argument...

When someone has a mental condition, they are technically not classified as themselves. What they do in this state is not held accountable according to the law. On the flip side, someone was murdered, and there's no one to be held responsible for it.

As silly as that analogy of him being possessed by a demon, it's actually a really good analogy. Technically, the demon beheaded someone. So you cannot throw the possessed man in jail for something he technically didn't do...

Life isn't fair.

[Majestic12]

I would like to see him move right next door to Majestic12
How about Majestic12, give him a ride to where ever he needs to go? make sure he doesn't get lost?

We can conclude from the information in this review that individuals with mental illness, when appropriately treated, do not pose any increased risk of violence over the general population. Violence may be more of an issue in patients diagnosed with personality disorders and substance dependence. The overall impact of mental illness as a factor in the violence that occurs in society as a whole appears to be overemphasized, possibly intensifying the stigma already surrounding psychiatric disorders.

Violence and Mental Illness (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2686644/)

Sure.

[Majestic12]

-man cuts another man's head and body parts off and eats some of them: should be helped to be integrated back into society. the law says he's excused... HE'S EXCUSED!!!


I must have missed the part where he's "excused". He's not "excused". He's "not criminally responsible". If he was excused, he'd be let back out into the world with no consequences. That isn't the case, is it? No, he's been institutionalized for something like 7 years, undergoing treatment, and is only now being eased back into society. Deemed a low risk to re-offend, and aware of his condition and what it takes to control it.

Plus, this is the decision of experts in law, medicine, psychiatry, etc. What is it that you know that they don't?

[quasi]

Well I wouldn't want myself or anyone I know on a bus, in a restaurant, in a mall or anywhere near this guy. I don't care if they found him completely nutter butters and only slapped him on the dick, he cut someones head off I don't think anyone is arguing his elevator stops part ways up. We'll have to agree to disagree I still don't think he should ever be free.

The judge should put him up as a billet when he's done with the group home, saving peoples souls and all that good shit.

[twitchyzero]

He isn't responsible for the suicide of that RCMP officer but was that taken into account by the judge?

[carisear]

You're misguided

Sure, they may "do things" that are "against the social norm"; but, they lack the mental capacity to appreciate the nature & quality of the act or of knowing that it was wrong (quoted from the CCC).

Basically, they don't have guilty minds. If you wanna get all technical n shit, they are unable to form a mens rea.

You would punish someone who couldn't appreciate the weight of his/her actions?


I would completely punish someone who couldn't appreciate the weight of his or her actions.

Ignorance is NOT an excuse.

But I completely misread the article. This person WAS punished, being in an institution for 7 years, so I am content with that. I don't agree that he should be in a halfway house, but he did his time fair and square.

One thing that alarms me is:
>>Li’s doctors have consistently praised his progress during treatment for schizophrenia, and say he is a very low risk to re-offend violently, as long as he stays on his medication.

once out in the public, there are no checks in place to ensure this happens ...

[Galactic_Phantom]

I would completely punish someone who couldn't appreciate the weight of his or her actions.

Ignorance is NOT an excuse.

But I completely misread the article. This person WAS punished, being in an institution for 7 years, so I am content with that. I don't agree that he should be in a halfway house, but he did his time fair and square.

One thing that alarms me is:
>>Li’s doctors have consistently praised his progress during treatment for schizophrenia, and say he is a very low risk to re-offend violently, as long as he stays on his medication.

once out in the public, there are no checks in place to ensure this happens ...

Unfortunately for you, the law says we cannot punish those cannot appreciate the nature and quality of their act.

Yes ignorance is not an excuse, but he is not ignorant, he is mentally disabled.

He wasn't "punished" for 7 years, he was being treated. He couldn't have been "punished" because he wasn't responsible for his actions by law. It was just a response to help the person himself and for societal good.

The ignorance in these posts are astonishing

[DC5-S]

What a waste of tax payers dollars trying to treat him. Kill the pos and get it over with. He's worthless. I don't care if he wasn't in the right state of mind I.e. "insane". If I had done something like I would gladly accept the death penalty to make the victims family feel better. What good is it treating him, will anyone ever hire him knowing what he's done? Just a waste of our dollars. fucking Canada

[jaguar604]

Sounds like a majority of people on this forum rather live in Saudi Arabia.

[Majestic12]

What a waste of tax payers dollars trying to treat him. Kill the pos and get it over with. He's worthless. I don't care if he wasn't in the right state of mind I.e. "insane". If I had done something like I would gladly accept the death penalty to make the victims family feel better. What good is it treating him, will anyone ever hire him knowing what he's done? Just a waste of our dollars. fucking Canada

Unfortunately not everyone is so noble as to allow themselves to be executed for something they don't even remember doing.

[pinn3r]

I would completely punish someone who couldn't appreciate the weight of his or her actions.

Ignorance is NOT an excuse.

But I completely misread the article. This person WAS punished, being in an institution for 7 years, so I am content with that. I don't agree that he should be in a halfway house, but he did his time fair and square.

One thing that alarms me is:
>>Li’s doctors have consistently praised his progress during treatment for schizophrenia, and say he is a very low risk to re-offend violently, as long as he stays on his medication.

once out in the public, there are no checks in place to ensure this happens ...

Like wkbb said, it's not ignorance.

They lack moral compasses and the mental capacity to register what they are doing. Depending on the severity of their illnesses or psychotic episodes, they don't realize what they are doing is wrong. Like babies.

If an autistic person attacked you, would you knock his shit out? Say an infant somehow had his hands on a gun, played around with it, and shot somebody. Would you aim to punish the infant? No, 'cause you would know it wasn't out of malevolence. You would know that they don't know any better, right?

I don't advocate for this guy's release, but don't be an ignoramus.

[mr_chin]

The doctor permitted his release should be charged

[StylinRed]

Sounds like a majority of people on this forum rather live in Saudi Arabia.

this is amusing because even as fucked up as saudi arabia is, if any 1 member of a family forgives the murderer they won't be executed and that sounds like it wouldn't fly for some of those in here ;)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I must have missed the part where he's "excused". He's not "excused". He's "not criminally responsible". If he was excused, he'd be let back out into the world with no consequences. That isn't the case, is it? No, he's been institutionalized for something like 7 years, undergoing treatment, and is only now being eased back into society. Deemed a low risk to re-offend, and aware of his condition and what it takes to control it.

Plus, this is the decision of experts in law, medicine, psychiatry, etc. What is it that you know that they don't?

i am merely regurgitating what the commoners on RS have been saying.

I am mocking RS, not the law or the crazy dude. i thought it would be pretty obvious.