Moron of the day [Archive] - REVscene Automotive Forum

SumAznGuy

03-08-2009, 10:10 AM

So what did we learn from all this? Do not throw chairs around at the airport and do not ask the US border guards to say please.

orgasm_donor

03-08-2009, 10:15 AM

He said he has travelled across the border many times without incident and is now considering legal action.

"I am in contact with [a lawyer] in Bellingham," he said. "I don't much about these things so I don't know what to do."

Good fucking luck with that one you fuckhole.

bengy

03-08-2009, 10:18 AM

Canadian border guards are a joke compared to US guards. They're not there to protect the border, they're there to collect duty taxes.

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 10:28 AM

deviant1

03-08-2009, 10:31 AM

The guy is a moron for asking....but pepper spray???? cmon thats just a border guard with an itch to spray and was given the bare minimum excuse to do it.

You know that guy was all amped up in the locker room like a 12 year old boy after he did it, just laughing it up.

shenmecar

03-08-2009, 10:33 AM

^

so true

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 10:36 AM

azzurro32

03-08-2009, 10:42 AM

You are the one going into his country. He doesn't have to say please or thank you.

welfare

03-08-2009, 11:16 AM

I think he just didn't want to swallow his pride and say it. Would have adverted so much trouble. What a waste of time.
i think the issue here is that he has the authority to give the orders. not the other way around.
you can't force people to be polite. you just have to deal with it.

Durrann1984

03-08-2009, 11:29 AM

well theres no doubt that US borders are jerks
they are trained not to be friendly smile or laugh at ur jokes

but yeah u shouldnt mess with US border guards

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 12:45 PM

Vansterdam

03-08-2009, 12:56 PM

+1 for boarder guards

StaxBundlez

03-08-2009, 01:08 PM

haha PWND

yah this shouldn't have happened
seriously.. those guys are guards.. they were trained to protect the border.. not a be hostess.. it's kinda like cops.. they don't have to be polite.. just shut the fuck up.. do what they ask.. and you'll be on your way.. of course it would be nice if they weren't dicks..

CRS

03-08-2009, 01:41 PM

I agree this guy was asking for trouble. And the guard delivered.

Both sides could have done things differently. If he just shut off his motor, nothing would have happened, and if the guard just said please, nothing would have happened.

Instead, a guy gets a face full of mace... for what?

A little diplomacy goes a long way.

The guard did not need to say please. It is not part of the job description. It is, however, a part of crossing the boarder that you abide by what the boarder guards tell you to do.

Simple as that. The driver was clearly at fault. Anyone that says anything different is an IDIOT.

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 01:50 PM

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 01:51 PM

TheKingdom2000

03-08-2009, 02:19 PM

ok we can all agree this guy is a douche for asking the border guy to say please..

but, using pepper spray? geese...
then again. it was an American border officer, those guys are way more ballsy then our canadian guards...

tamiya_s2000

03-08-2009, 04:12 PM

i hate cbsa.. they give me more trouble and dumbass questions than us customs
but then there's this 1 other dumbass dude @ point roberts who always tries to lecture u n shit n compare u to himself........ n he thinks he knos it all...
o yea.. to end this politely:
kthxbye

Relyc

03-08-2009, 04:38 PM

No one is arguing that. But as soon as the driver said please, the ball was in the agent's court.

He decided to pull the mace a bit too early in my opinion, and from the sounds of this article, didn't explore less dramatic avenues to solve the problem.

Or perhaps he did, and we aren't getting the whole story.

I think it could have been resolved without the mace and gang tackle. But that's just me.

The guard told the guy to shut off the car or he'd get pepper sprayed, the guy responded by telling the guard to say please, and not shutting off the car. What grey area can you possibly see in this?

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 05:32 PM

JSALES

03-08-2009, 05:34 PM

haha i read this in the newspaper, pretty fucken hilarious

SumAznGuy

03-08-2009, 05:59 PM

This is a case of both sides failing to budge on their principals.

Please tell us you are partially retarded. That is the only explaination to your post.

That US border guard is in a position of authority. There is no failing to budge on the border guard's principle. When they ask you to jump, the only thing you can say is "how high?"

If you get pulled over by the police, are you going to ask the police officer to say please when they ask you for your drivers liscence and registration?

Corey Darling

03-08-2009, 06:05 PM

Rich Sandor

03-08-2009, 06:19 PM

The guard did not need to say please. It is not part of the job description. It is, however, a part of crossing the boarder that you abide by what the boarder guards tell you to do.

Simple as that. The driver was clearly at fault. Anyone that says anything different is an IDIOT.

+1.

GLOW

03-08-2009, 07:12 PM

InvisibleSoul

03-08-2009, 08:37 PM

Idiot request, or power tripping border guard?

I say a little from column A, a little from column B.

murd0c

03-08-2009, 08:43 PM

I so hope this is going to be on that boarder guard show. The would be awesome!!

Leopold Stotch

03-09-2009, 08:08 AM

Idiot request, or power tripping border guard?

I say a little from column A, a little from column B.

i would say moreso in column A.
he was told three times and warned.
the idiot was just being stubborn thinking he could get away with it.
He's an idiot, hope he learned his lesson

which leads me to a story

i was crossing the border and was worried because i've never done it without my parents, i was with 3 friends. The border guard asked me how we knew each other and what our plans were. I told him we were all highschool friends and we plan to take the summer off and go to university in the fall.
He had meant for the day.

lol the guard laughed pretty hard after. Only time i ever saw a border guard lose composure.

Noir

03-09-2009, 08:22 AM

What I am saying is that once you look past that, to what could have topped this in the first place, its just a matter of principal. The guy didn't want to be pushed around by the guard who refused to say please - which would have fixed this problem once it started.

Sure he can do that. But why would the border guards want to look soft? Why would they want to give the implication that their authority is questionable? Do you think they're pushovers?

Refusing to shut off the engine upon request is already grounds for suspicious behavior. For all the border guard's guess, Mr. Fortunato could be one of those stupid enough to try and make a run for it for reasons of his own :rolleyes:

quasi

03-09-2009, 08:31 AM

Whats dumb is he owns a home in Blaine. Have fun going to your vacation home or whatever the hell it is because they are going to make his life hell every single time he crosses for now on.

InvisibleSoul

03-09-2009, 09:26 AM

i would say moreso in column A.
he was told three times and warned.
the idiot was just being stubborn thinking he could get away with it.
He's an idiot, hope he learned his lesson
Perhaps... but the border guard could still have handled it without going straight for a physical response. Obviously, this must have escalated extremely quickly... but if border guard was just a little bit more restrained, he could have calmly explained to the man that he has no obligation to say please, and if he does not cooperate upon the next request, he will be physically removed from the vehicle, etc... and if that was explained clearly and calmly and the guy still doesn't do as told, then the actions would be perfectly justified.

Noir

03-09-2009, 10:21 AM

Perhaps... but the border guard could still have handled it without going straight for a physical response.

He didn't. Border Guard asked 3 times.

Ax2-Y

03-09-2009, 10:57 AM

haha how random! i know this guys son :eekthumb:

Whats dumb is he owns a home in Blaine. Have fun going to your vacation home or whatever the hell it is because they are going to make his life hell every single time he crosses for now on.

the house in blaine is actually an investment property the son lives in.

Mancini

03-09-2009, 11:32 AM

Flagged for cavity search during each crossing.

It's common knowledge that they have authority and the chomps to use it. The driver had this coming.

3seriesBeeM

03-09-2009, 01:05 PM

Noir

03-09-2009, 01:23 PM

guys an idiot. You dont screw around with border guards especially in the post 9/11 era. He was warned 3 times next step is physical which happened what an idiot the guy si thinking the border guard was just joking

The guy thought he was probably being slick. Probably doesn't get respect at all anywhere so he has to go around asking for it. Kinda sad really.

Gumby

03-09-2009, 01:30 PM

He's lucky he didn't get tasered! :lol

InvisibleSoul

03-09-2009, 02:11 PM

He didn't. Border Guard asked 3 times.

Straight for physical response after asking three times I mean. Still could have been intermediary options.

q0192837465

03-09-2009, 02:26 PM

damn, so unneessary on both parties

Noir

03-09-2009, 03:39 PM

Straight for physical response after asking three times I mean. Still could have been intermediary options.

Like asking 2 more times?

Anyways, I get your point. He could've taken the next intermediary option and be polite. But by then, the border guard would be his bitch.

Luckily the guy only got the spray. I actually woudln't have minded the tazer in this situation. Either jolt his heart for darwinism, or jolt some braincells into revival for human progress. I'm all for it.

Oh and edit:
If he ever wanted to stop the Border Guards tazing him, he'd have to say "Please"

jeffh

03-09-2009, 03:52 PM

^they are authority figures, the guy was playing chicken with the guard and he lost

they should charge him with mischief or whatever the US equivalent is, and then flag him so he gets annnoyed everytime he comes through