[HonestTea]

Just a little over a week away until the first practice run and 2days after for the first race in Melbourne, Australia

Is anyone excited for the start of F1 this season?

KERS + Slick

[dai3yuen]

Brawn GP FTW!!

Finally a car that Button can show what skills he has....

Disappointed that Senna did not get a contract and also that Torro Rosso did not pick up Sato either.....

Kers looks interesting but from what I've read, it's also very heavy. Apparently FIA will be announcing the car weights post-race now.

Mclaren's got their set-up all wrong, so look for Ferrari dominance at the early stages. Brawn GP shows promise, but I think they'll have reliability problems considering how much testing they've done compared to the other teams.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am SO stoked for this season. The last 2 seasons were fucking lame, and pretty much represented exactly what's wrong with F1.

If you're not up to date with the rule changes, check out this awesome video detailing the new rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTkVKPdyWs0

[McDick]

New rule changes to 2009 season.
ONLY victories will be good enough to win this year's Formula One world championship.

It's about time to have REAL races. Last year I was pissed that Hamilton won the championship based on points, but Massa won the most races.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25207911-39478,00.html

[taylor192]

I'm glad the points system has changed. I was worried it'd continue to go towards Nascar style points.

F1 has always been about bringing the best to the table, win or go home. Thus why first was awarded 10 points and second only 6.

I am disappointed by the continuing technology bans and more and more rules governing the cars. It stifles development, as most of the best F1 technology has come from breaking the "rules", ie turbos, ground effects, 6 wheels, wings, traction control ... things that were so different from the cars of the time, that if something similar was invented now it'd be illegal.

That said, I'd prefer to see the cars go all-electric. That would put some fun back into development, and would push along the electric car in record time.

[chun]

OT: Can we move this back to VIC where it can get some exposure?

[McDick]

I love the rule that they made all cars to be standard technology.
As least that will give the smaller budget teams to have a chance in the race.
If richer teams can buy whatever they want and put it in their car, they will win every single race. How boring to see Mercedes and Ferrari to finished top for positions every single race.

[HonestTea]

Damn, can't wait to see what Brawn GP can do in races! Their practice runs has been pretty good!

If Brawn GP has a really good car, I hope Button can back up what he said haha and show Hamilton up :)

Fuckers!! :( Should've let this thread stay in Vancouver Automotive, so theirs more traffic :(

[SkinnyPupp]

F1 is a sport.

[McDick]

Here are the odds for 2009 F1 Championship:
I am surprised that J. Button is in favor that Raikkonen, Hamilton and Massa.
Wow... I guess the rule change does really have an impact on this coming season result.

Button J. (GBR/Brawn GP)
4.50
Raikkonen K. (FIN/Ferrari)
5.00
Alonso F. (ESP/Renault)
5.50
Barrichello R. (BRA/Brawn GP)
7.00
Hamilton L. (GBR/McLaren)
7.00
Massa F. (BRA/Ferrari)
8.00
Kubica R. (POL/BMW Sauber)
13.00
Vettel S. (GER/Red Bull)
21.00
Heidfeld N. (GER/BMW Sauber)
21.00
Kovalainen H. (FIN/McLaren)
26.00
Glock T. (GER/Toyota)
26.00
Rosberg N. (GER/Williams)
26.00
Trulli J. (ITA/Toyota)
26.00
Piquet N. Jr. (BRA/Renault)
34.00
Webber M. (AUS/Red Bull)
34.00
Nakajima K. (JPN/Williams)
126.00
Buemi S. (SUI/Toro Rosso)
126.00
Bourdais S. (FRA/Toro Rosso)
126.00
Sutil A. (GER/Force India)
151.00
Fisichella G. (ITA/Force India)
151.00

[unit]

hmm, i may get back into watching f1 this season

[HonestTea]

ROFL FUCK THAT

I'll pick Raikkonen/Alonso/Kubica/Massa > Button if I was placing bets ^^

I don't mind if Button wins thought but I'd prefer Raikkonen or Kubica or Vettel(long shot lol)

[Great68]

But this "Most Wins for Championship title" thing reeks of the Michael Schumacher days... Those days were BORING. It wasn't exciting to watch becase you KNEW who was going to win.

These new changes better deliver, and make close racing between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places because if it turns into a one driver show every race I'm going to stop watching F1.

[PavelGTR]

New rule changes are pretty good although that rear new wing is fucking ugly.

[Vancouver240sx]

I am not sure Brawn Mercedes will be the next coming of Christ everyone is expecting them to be. No doubt they will be strong this year but other teams will be working just as hard as well.

Renault released today that they will be running KERS in Australia, the 1st team to confirm the use of the new system.

I personally do not like the new points system I think it really hurts teams that are quick but do not have the same consistent pace as McLaren/Ferrari. Last year Kubica was in the points race until very late in the season due to a string of very good finishes.

Williams and McLaren closed the final day of testing before the start of the 09 season today. McLaren taking the time to test new parts that arrived last night and possibly do some qualifying runs. Both cars ended with faster times than Brawn Mercedes and Renault today dipping into the 1:17's. The William managing to edge the McLaren out by six tenths of a second.

Unofficial Thursday times from Jerez:
1. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams FW31, 1:17.494
2. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren MP4-24, 1:17.946

Looks as if McLaren have found some sort of light at the end of the tunnel with their supposed aero problems while Williams plainly went fast!

Taking a look at some of the pictures from the Jerez test this wee I thought I would highlight 2 from McLaren.

This from I believe the 1st day of McLaren's test. They have a data collection rig attached to the end of the diffuser. Speculation has it McLaren is looking for a serious aero problem regarding rear downforce:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/VanRich/mclarenolddif.jpg

Taken today; a very different look to the rear. Both the rear wing mounting with a far more pronounced and moulded lower element and diffuser with updated a new middle form and outer vein shape:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/VanRich/mclarennewdif.jpg

6 days!!!

rich

[cococly]

Button is quick, he just doesn't have luck..

[Hondaracer]

i think kovalainen is going to be up there this year he's progressively gotten better every year

skinnypupp thanks for that video that KERS is going to be very interesting

[impactX]

New rules:

Whoever wins the most race will be crowned WDC regardless of points scored...

Since everyone gets 8 engines for 17 races, it means that one only needs to tune the engine to last around 1 race (instead of 2-3) and get around 9 wins (or 9 wins if you want to be safe) and DNF the rest of the season to be crowned WDC.

BrawnGP looks like it's the real deal, KERS is really setting Ferrari back.

[tamazoid]

I'm excited to see more passing! The KERS will definitely makes things interesting! We'll see in less than a week!

I'm disappointed that Senna didn't get picked up...

[HonestTea]

Qualifying is going to be so exciting!! :D

I'm kinda glad MCLaren got their act together, better teams = better races :) even thought I'm not a fan of Hamilton or Kov haha


thanks mods for moving it back :)

[unit]

Button is quick, he just doesn't have luck..

neither did kimi but he ended up winning a championship

[Vancouver240sx]

The FIA has announced it is ready to postpone its controversial decision to name the Formula One champion with a system based on the number of race victories instead of points won over the season.

The sport's governing body has declared its readiness to push back the implementation of the new system to 2010 if the teams contest.

In order to increase the value of a Grand Prix victory, the Formula One Teams Association recently presented a new points table where the difference between the winning driver and the runner-up would be three points instead of two. The WMSC rejected it in favour of the 'most wins' option.

Several drivers have publicly disapproved of the new system which was announced with immediate effect by the FIA's World Motor Sport Council last Tuesday, stating that a championship which rewards consistency with a points-based system is the essence of F1 competition.

On Friday FOTA questioned the validity of the change after it reviewed articles of the International Sporting Code and Sporting Regulations. Several hours later the FIA announced its readiness to revert to the traditional points-based system.


Surprisingly, the FIA claims that it accepted a slightly modified version of the scheme previously proposed by Bernie Ecclestone because it believed the teams agreed with it. Ecclestone's proposition of a 'gold medal-inspired' title attribution system has generated negative opinions from F1 insiders and fans for weeks.

FIA statement:
On 17 March, the FIA World Motor Sport Council unanimously rejected FOTA's proposed amendment to the points system for the Formula One Drivers' Championship. The 'winner takes all' proposal made by the commercial rights holder (who had been told that the teams were in favour) was then approved.

If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010.

source: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090320191538.shtml

YAY!

rich

[taylor192]

But this "Most Wins for Championship title" thing reeks of the Michael Schumacher days... Those days were BORING. It wasn't exciting to watch becase you KNEW who was going to win.

These new changes better deliver, and make close racing between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places because if it turns into a one driver show every race I'm going to stop watching F1.
You must not be a Ferrari fan.

I would prefer F1 not turn into IRL, yet all these rules stifling technology in favour of making races more exciting to viewers more accustomed to NASCAR is really taking away from the sport.

F1 was about being the best racing series. Best technology, best drivers. Not anymore.

I enjoyed Ferrari lapping the field, it was awesome to watch what a great driver with the best of technology can do. The only downside was that Ferrari didn't hire another great driver to further push Schumacher.

[taylor192]

I love the rule that they made all cars to be standard technology.
As least that will give the smaller budget teams to have a chance in the race.
If richer teams can buy whatever they want and put it in their car, they will win every single race. How boring to see Mercedes and Ferrari to finished top for positions every single race.
Honda/Toyota dumped tons of money and still couldn't finish well.

Its not all about the benjamins.

[HonestTea]

Yeah dude, Honda and Toyota were dumping A LOT of money into F1 and they've gotten no where basically(maybe some top finishes)

Brawn GP looks promising from their practice runs though..

[Great68]

You must not be a Ferrari fan.

I would prefer F1 not turn into IRL, yet all these rules stifling technology in favour of making races more exciting to viewers more accustomed to NASCAR is really taking away from the sport.

F1 was about being the best racing series. Best technology, best drivers. Not anymore.




Actually I agree with you 100%. I absolutely hate the fact that they have to make the cars slower to try and make it more "exciting" to watch.

In my opinion they should go back to V12's, turbos, traction control, ABS, active suspension...

I know someone is going to say "But they HAVE to limit it for SAFETY". I say bullshit, these drivers make tons of coin, it's like hazard pay, they know the risks when they drive.

I want to see cars race around a track at absolutely the fastest speeds that are possible with current technology.

[KinseySS]

Any one heard of them consider doing V6 turbos down the road?

[CDN-R32]

The new wins<points for the Championship is extemly lame, I hope they change this for next year. F1 was getting interesting again with so many possible drivers and teams now able to win and now this crap...

[kc1337]

Actually I agree with you 100%. I absolutely hate the fact that they have to make the cars slower to try and make it more "exciting" to watch.

In my opinion they should go back to V12's, turbos, traction control, ABS, active suspension...

I know someone is going to say "But they HAVE to limit it for SAFETY". I say bullshit, these drivers make tons of coin, it's like hazard pay, they know the risks when they drive.

I want to see cars race around a track at absolutely the fastest speeds that are possible with current technology.

"When I was young, motor racing was dangerous and sex was safe.......now it is the other way round." - Jackie Stewart

[chun]

So, qualifiers on TSN on Friday 11pm?

[taylor192]

"When I was young, motor racing was dangerous and sex was safe.......now it is the other way round." - Jackie Stewart
“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

[HonestTea]

So, qualifiers on TSN on Friday 11pm?

yee!!

[Vancouver240sx]

The new wins<points for the Championship is extemly lame, I hope they change this for next year. F1 was getting interesting again with so many possible drivers and teams now able to win and now this crap...

Luckily the new rules will be implemented in 2010. This year will have the same point system as the 08 season.

Coverage on Speed:

Practice: Thursday 10:30pm
Qualifying: Friday 11:00pm
Formula 1 Grand Prix View: Saturday 10:00pm (Bob Varsha, David Hobbs and Steve Matchett look ahead to what's in store for the 2009 F1 racing season.)
Australian Grand Prix: Saturday 10:30pm

Coverage on TSN:

Qualifying: Friday 10:55pm/encore 6:30am
Australian Grand Prix: Saturday 10:55am/encore 5:0am

rich

[StylinRed]

can't wait rule changes should make it interesting because none of the drivers are interesting like they used to be and im not talking about just schumacher he was just the last remaining interesting guy in f1

i like massa and all, and hamilton is ok(not a fan) but they don't have that charisma that drives me to see how they do in the race

anyway wooo friday

[carmaniac]

BRAWNGP FTW!

[CDN-R32]

Luckily the new rules will be implemented in 2010. This year will have the same point system as the 08 season.

Coverage on Speed:

Practice: Thursday 10:30pm
Qualifying: Friday 11:00pm
Formula 1 Grand Prix View: Saturday 10:00pm (Bob Varsha, David Hobbs and Steve Matchett look ahead to what's in store for the 2009 F1 racing season.)
Australian Grand Prix: Saturday 10:30pm

Coverage on TSN:

Qualifying: Friday 10:55pm/encore 6:30am
Australian Grand Prix: Saturday 10:55am/encore 5:0am

rich

Oh good!! Thaks for the heads up, I have been falling behing on my F1 stuff. I use to always be buying F1 racing ans Autosport on a regular basis but moved closer to Langley and don`t know of a good magazine around here.

[Vancouver240sx]

Good F1 sites:

http://www.formula1.com/ (good for technical reviews)
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/index.shtml (Very up to date)
http://www.itv-f1.com (Very informed writers)
http://www.planetf1.com/ (Generally good)

rich

[Senna4ever]

F1 ceased to be fun to watch after Senna died & Murray Walker retired. :(

[Vancouver240sx]

ya and basketball died after MJ retired (for the 1st time) and Gretzky retiring made hockey "no fun"

:crybaby:

rich

[Senna4ever]

Some old timers would say F1 wasn't the same after Fangio retired, or Jim Clark died, or Villenueve died.

[McDick]

http://www.formula1.com/services/play_video.html

Very good video reviews on every single race in 2008. It's from official Formual 1 website. The last race (Brazil) video is very good!

[Blinky]

Actually I agree with you 100%. I absolutely hate the fact that they have to make the cars slower to try and make it more "exciting" to watch.

In my opinion they should go back to V12's, turbos, traction control, ABS, active suspension...

I know someone is going to say "But they HAVE to limit it for SAFETY". I say bullshit, these drivers make tons of coin, it's like hazard pay, they know the risks when they drive.

I want to see cars race around a track at absolutely the fastest speeds that are possible with current technology.

Agreed on many points. All said though, I think the new ruleset is a step in the right direction. IMO the biggest safety concern is created through high cornering speeds, so limiting aero grip (downforce) is not a bad thing at all.

Big power through forced induction? Not really necessary and kind of wasteful. 18000 rpm is still gooooooood ;D. I think turbocharging as a technology doesn't need to be optimized much further. Furthermore I do think that active suspension and TC should stay out. I think that they were developed well enough to be introduced on consumer automobiles and that a good way of controlling costs is to eliminate this stuff.

On the other hand, stuff like KERS is great - this could lead to greater advances to an already feasible, streetable technology. Right now the teams aren't on an even playing field, which is great as well.

REducing F1 to a spec series would be stupid. I still don't believe that there was that talk about going to a spec engine a few months ago. I hope that never happens.

[Great68]

In my opinion they've turned F1 into the Champ Car series.

Oh well, I will reserve full judgement until I watch a few races.







Go Kubica!

[Hondaracer]

the new wheels from each team:
http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/formula-1/f1-australia-the-outstanding-steering-wheels-of-formula-1-cars?artid=106182

[XRS]

F1 Round 1 Practice Live - Rit now online tv, if anyone is interested. =)

http://zh-tw.justin.tv/atomic_napalm/popout

[skyxx]

Hahaha I'm loving every bit of 2009 F1. Teams are accusing each other of cheating and the shitty teams from the past have been doing well during the practive laps and the best teams from the past are doing shitty!!!! SWEET....

[McDick]

Hahaha I'm loving every bit of 2009 F1. Teams are accusing each other of cheating and the shitty teams from the past have been doing well during the practive laps and the best teams from the past are doing shitty!!!! SWEET....

well.. it's only Round 1-2 Practice .. wait until tonight Qualifying, things changed very quickly!

[Great68]

I can definately notice the 18,000 rpm limit, the cars just don't wail the same as last year.

They sound slower, but apparently they're just as fast, if not faster than last years cars!?!?

[Vancouver240sx]

They sound slower, but apparently they're just as fast, if not faster than last years cars!?!?

Last year during friday practice the fastest lap time was set by Kimi Raikkonen at 1:26.461. Yesterday the fastest lap was 1:26.053 by Niko Rosberg.

rich

[HonestTea]

YO GUYS!!

Anyone know of a GOOD/FUN site for Formula 1 FANTASY-League(s)?

I'm using Yahoo Fantasy-Formula 1 and it's kind of lame, you only pick 3 drivers and a constructor..

Anyone have a better site or know of one?

Thanks!

[McDick]

Last year during friday practice the fastest lap time was set by Kimi Raikkonen at 1:26.461. Yesterday the fastest lap was 1:26.053 by Niko Rosberg.

rich

Just watch tonight.. they will have faster than 1:26

[HonestTea]

HAHAHAHAHA

JENSON BUTTON!!

FUCK YES!

[impactX]

BrawnF1 locks down the first row. Very good job indeed!

It's over for everyone else unless they win the appeal.

[NNT]

I havent follow F1 news for the last few months, but how does this Brawn team(former Honda) turn suddenly from an unprepare, low budget team to take the first row in such a short time?

[impactX]

1) They wrote off the 2008 season early on and developed the 2009 season car once the 2009 regulations first came out.
2) They got Ross Brawn, who got turned down by Ferrari to be the team principal in 2008; remember, this guy is one of the main people responsible to turn Ferrari around in the mid 90s. (imo, big mistake on Ferrari's part)
3) Innovative interpretation of the 2009 regulation on aerodynamics, they got an diffuser which creates more downforce than other teams (other than the other 2 teams who interpreted the regulations the same way)
4) They got the lowest-hanging nose allowed by the regulations (it's also very wide compared to other teams.) See pic of the nose to see how it dips down:
http://www.brawngp.com/images/carnew.jpg

Many people are saying that it contributes to BrawnGP's dominance in testing...

Just imagine if they debut their cars earlier and got more testing time! I wouldn't be surprised if they dominate this season... Quite frankly, I am happy for Jenson Button.

Honda shouldn't have pulled out, just imagine the publicity they would get! Afterall, they are still paying the bills for the 2009 season... at the same time, I am glad that BrawnGP got the Mercedes which is really reliable.

[Vancouver240sx]

Button was quoted as saying the Honda car last year had no newly developed components after Germany last year. Germany was the 10th race of 18, it was run on July 20th. That means an extra 4 months of complete concentration on the 2009 car over teams like McLaren and Ferrari who were entrenched in the 08 championship.

rich

[JulyZerg]

Diffuser Date of Appeal Set

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28032009/58/diffuser-row-appeal-date-set.html

[Eff-1]

Loaded up my PVR today to watch last nights qualifying. I recorded Speed channel and I got nothing!

Not happy at all about TSN asking Speed to blackout race coverage in Canada.

TSN always had better race coverage, but Speed by far has better pre-race and qualifying coverage. Not to mention that Speed always covered 100% of the race (including pre and post) and never cut things short because of curling or something stupid.

[Great68]

Loaded up my PVR today to watch last nights qualifying. I recorded Speed channel and I got nothing!

Not happy at all about TSN asking Speed to blackout race coverage in Canada.

TSN always had better race coverage, but Speed by far has better pre-race and qualifying coverage. Not to mention that Speed always covered 100% of the race (including pre and post) and never cut things short because of curling or something stupid.

At first I thought something was wrong with the Speed HD channel.

I was ready to call shaw and bitch at them, since I got my HDPVR connected on thursday for the sole reason of watching F1 in HD.

[HonestTea]

Loaded up my PVR today to watch last nights qualifying. I recorded Speed channel and I got nothing!

Not happy at all about TSN asking Speed to blackout race coverage in Canada.

TSN always had better race coverage, but Speed by far has better pre-race and qualifying coverage. Not to mention that Speed always covered 100% of the race (including pre and post) and never cut things short because of curling or something stupid.

I agree 100%

TSN stops F1 RIGHT ON THE DOT, which is stupid...even if the interviews are coming up, they stop it for some bullshit program(IE: Sportscenter or Curling)

I like TSN's commentary(or the original one) better then SPEED's and also TSN is faster(this season) by like 10-15minutes.

Last Season, I usually switch channels if the channels go on a commercial-break cause SPEED was only 10 seconds behind haha

[skyxx]

I'm watching BBC's coverage :D

[kc1337]

I'm watching BBC's coverage :D

How do you manage that?

[SkinnyPupp]

I stopped watching F1 because of all the annoying politics.. it was like the races didn't matter, because there would be bitching after every one.

This season is no different, as Brawn's amazing performance will either make them one of the best stories in sports history, or will completely ruin their season, all depending on how the hearing goes.

If they rule against them, I think I'll give up on F1 forever.

[XRS]

The link before got banned some how. =(
here's another working one, till i found a better one lolz!

http://zh-tw.justin.tv/dragons_bar/popout

[SkinnyPupp]

also http://atdhe.net/live-tv-5739.html

[Hondaracer]

watching the race now, KERS seems like its going to have a big spot in the races, great pass by lewis using the new system

[Hondaracer]

nakojima there perfect example of the slicks that little faster bump and the tires lost all traction going into the chicane [sp?]

[Bigbird36]

Yeah, I am watching the race. Those front wings are Huge! and the rear wings are tall.


Rubens is a dick!

[Hondaracer]

lol wtf?!?! crazy race

hamilton huge jump up and brawn takes 1/2

lol @ those 2 who caused the safety at the end, they have less then half a front wing and both are going so fast they just slam into the wall

[S1 S2]

wow..the end was epic..

[CDN-R32]

Ya that was amazing!!! Good on the Brawn team!

[StylinRed]

Epic start to the season with all the Epic Fails!

hopefully just as interesting in Malaysia

[HonestTea]

HOLY FUCK

That was one of the most EPIC races I've seen! DAMN CRAZY!!

The end was WOW...but I feel really bad for Kubica and Vettel since they're my favorite drivers(+ Raikkonen and Button for making me some good $$$)

Especially Vettel :( He thinks it's his fault, apologizing to the team right after the stint...GAYYY

[TOPEC]

anyone got more info on the brawn team? is virgin the only sole sponsor for that team???
and also, whats up with those funny looking hub caps on the wheels? i'm guessing they are there for brake cooling?

[skyxx]

I am very happy with the new season! Great stuff! Yes, "Virgin" is currently the main sponsor of "Brawn GP", but I'm sure many others will plaster their company logos on Brawn's car. :) I'm glad J.Button got his win, he deserves it.:thumbsup:

[tamazoid]

anyone got more info on the brawn team? is virgin the only sole sponsor for that team???
and also, whats up with those funny looking hub caps on the wheels? i'm guessing they are there for brake cooling?

I went to here... http://www2.brawngp.com/


Damn, I missed it! But glad to hear that the Brawn GP team did well!

From looking at the results, I can't believe Jarno Trulli came back and finished 3rd from starting last on the grid! Same with Lewis Hamilton and Timo Glock! Looks like the McLaren-Mercedes team is competitive still at the start of the new season. Look like the Toyota team is up there as well!

[Raid3n]

anyone got more info on the brawn team? is virgin the only sole sponsor for that team???
and also, whats up with those funny looking hub caps on the wheels? i'm guessing they are there for brake cooling?

ya, helps cooling at high speeds. and they were on the cars last season too, and before that as well i am pretty sure. it's nothing new.

[TOPEC]

this is actually the first formula one race that i paid attention to and watched the whole race. thats y i never spotted those brake coolers.

[impactX]

anyone got more info on the brawn team? is virgin the only sole sponsor for that team???
and also, whats up with those funny looking hub caps on the wheels? i'm guessing they are there for brake cooling?

Last year or 2 years ago, Honda ran the "Earth Dream" theme, and they don't want to have any sponsors. Fast forward to the end of 2008, they were basically corporate-funded and it's part of why they failed. So when Brawn took over, they were without sponsor while the 2009 bills have already been paid for by Honda.

Yup, those are brake coolers that Ferrari started putting onto their car 2-3 years ago... then Renault followed suit and everyone else also started to use it.


Anyone sees the resemblance of Brawn's car and early 2000s Ferrari? haha

Ferrari should have let Brawn return; Massa would have been WDC and Ferrari wouldn't be in the shithole they're in right now. That's what they get for trying to italianizing the team again instead of reaching out for talents.

[TOPEC]

whats this KERS tech? i know the theory behind it is to recover wasted energy while breaking, but how does one gain 80HP with a push of a button for that short burst of 80HP?

[impactX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_braking

And teams have different ways of storing that energy.

However, KERS is heavy. Some teams don't run it because it limits the amount of ballast they can run on the car to achieve the desired handling characteristics.

[PavelGTR]

What happen with Kubica? I heard he got into a accident or something

[Eff-1]

Trulli lost his podium for safety car infraction.

Vettel fined and given 10 spot penalty for next weekend. lol Vettel what were you thinking.

I find the KERS to be quite fascinating and look forward to when all teams start using it.

[Eff-1]

At first I thought something was wrong with the Speed HD channel.

I was ready to call shaw and bitch at them, since I got my HDPVR connected on thursday for the sole reason of watching F1 in HD.

There is no F1 in HD. It's shot in 16x9 and upconverted. Unfortunately.

[Senna4ever]

^^^ Google will be your friend here.

[SkinnyPupp]

What a race!

[Eff-1]

^^^ Google will be your friend here.


because I wasn't 100% specific in saying that F1 is available in HD but Canadian (BBC) feeds aren't?

[Raid3n]

@ KERS question: there is a motor attached to the crankshaft that directly inputs power to the crankshaft when the KERS Boost is activated.



What happen with Kubica? I heard he got into a accident or something

vettel and kubica had a bit of a mashup in a chicane, kubica passed vettel for the most part and then tried to squeeze him out the rest of the way, but instead of backing off or running up onto the grass, vettel refused to back down and ended up spinning kubica, losing his front wing in the process. and as kubica came around, the front left tire of vettel got stuck in kubica's front wing and ripped it off.

so now both cars are front wingless and bolting down the straight section that follows, only to end in disaster for both.

kubica hits the wall pretty hard and loses both left side wheels (seen rolling down the course, haha) and vettel rubs up against the wall as well, losing his front left wheel. he then attempts to continue driving with 3 wheels and one dangling under the front end, hahaha

[Eff-1]

@he then attempts to continue driving with 3 wheels and one dangling under the front end, hahaha

ya and he got fined $50,000 for that.

[dutch]

vettel refused to back down and ended up spinning kubica

more like could not back down. he out braked himself on the lesser tire.

[Senna4ever]

because I wasn't 100% specific in saying that F1 is available in HD but Canadian (BBC) feeds aren't?
Oh, I was replying to RX_Renesis' post, not yours. Err, looks like my reply was a bit late. Haha..

[tamazoid]

Trulli lost his podium for safety car infraction.

Vettel fined and given 10 spot penalty for next weekend. lol Vettel what were you thinking.

I find the KERS to be quite fascinating and look forward to when all teams start using it.

Oh, that's what happened to Jarno Trulli? I was looking at the results again just now, and I swear I thought I saw him have a podium finish last night.

[delSol97]

I http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Heart_icon.png BRAWNGP

[Eff-1]

Oh, I was replying to RX_Renesis' post, not yours. Err, looks like my reply was a bit late. Haha..

lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh, that's what happened to Jarno Trulli? I was looking at the results again just now, and I swear I thought I saw him have a podium finish last night.
Tulli got a penalty for overtaking during safety car

[HonestTea]

Malaysia is going to be a wild card too.. haha

[dai3yuen]

Vettel got a 10 grid penalty for causing the accident and then was subsequently fined $50,000 for not pulling over after his car was damaged. He continued to drive it around the track probably thinking that he might be able to salvage 2 points as no one is allowed to pass him...

[CDN-R32]

Vettel got a 10 grid penalty for causing the accident and then was subsequently fined $50,000 for not pulling over after his car was damaged. He continued to drive it around the track probably thinking that he might be able to salvage 2 points as no one is allowed to pass him...


The team should have been smarter than to let him drive after.

[Hondaracer]

lol i didnt even know wtf he was thinking driving on that wheel..

the fucking thing was jammed under the body/axel lol, u could see it wearing away

[1exotic]

I was watching the race late at night 2 nights ago, it was pretty good.

I'm rooting for Kubica, he was in 2nd and crashed... that suckeeddd...

[Z3guy]

did anyone notice during the award ceremonies, Jenson Button or Rubens barely acknowledged J. Trulli? I bet there is no love loss between Brawn (aka Honda) and Toyota.

I am getting used to the cars look now, but this is going to an awesome season......

BrawnGP winning in Australia > LA Clippers winning a NBA title

[Hondaracer]

the redbull and mclaren cars both kinda look like last years car anyways

mclaren clearly thinks they have somthing going with that front wing design

[Senna4ever]

Vettel got a 10 grid penalty for causing the accident and then was subsequently fined $50,000 for not pulling over after his car was damaged. He continued to drive it around the track probably thinking that he might be able to salvage 2 points as no one is allowed to pass him...

Maybe he was channelling Villenueve's spirit, recalling the 1979 Dutch GP when Villenueve's tyre came off and he was lapping the track at 160mph on 3 wheels. Nice try, Vettel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Senna4ever/Forum%20crap/1979dutchgp-gillesvilleneuveferrari.jpg

[Ludepower]

vettel and kubica had a bit of a mashup in a chicane, kubica passed vettel for the most part and then tried to squeeze him out the rest of the way, but instead of backing off or running up onto the grass, vettel refused to back down and ended up spinning kubica, losing his front wing in the process. and as kubica came around, the front left tire of vettel got stuck in kubica's front wing and ripped it off.

so now both cars are front wingless and bolting down the straight section that follows, only to end in disaster for both.

kubica hits the wall pretty hard and loses both left side wheels (seen rolling down the course, haha) and vettel rubs up against the wall as well, losing his front left wheel. he then attempts to continue driving with 3 wheels and one dangling under the front end, hahaha


CUdiaK_dmSM

How was Vettel wrong in this situation? They were both going in to corner side by side...Kubica should of conceded the spot and give Vettel some room.

[Blinky]

Ludepower, did you watch the race? (not an insult)

Vettel's tires were shit, and Vettel knew that they were shit. Vettel braked too late for the corner. Kubica has him and is already on the outside of the line. Vettel understeers out and hits Kubica. It may not be a 10 place penalty, but it is Vettel's fault.

[StylinRed]

ahh the aftermath is just as fun as the race

feel bad for trulli though

it was funny my cousin was watching f1 for the first time and i told him they're not allowed to pass during the SC; trulli made me look stupid -_-

sam as when Vettel kept going

[HonestTea]

Ludepower, did you watch the race? (not an insult)

Vettel's tires were shit, and Vettel knew that they were shit. Vettel braked too late for the corner. Kubica has him and is already on the outside of the line. Vettel understeers out and hits Kubica. It may not be a 10 place penalty, but it is Vettel's fault.

Catch 22, Vettel's tires were shit, so Kubica would have known not to get into such a compromising position. He could have overtook Vettel on the next corner or the straight away right after that corner.

Other side: Kubica had no choice, he had to pass Vettel ASAP cause he was actually catching Button. Button was on the bad tires(Super Softs). Vettel should have let Kubica pass and take 3rd place thought.

You got to add the fact that, Vettel took all responsibility and apologized before any ruling was done. That was probably why the FIA decided it was 100% Vettel's fault and not Kubica's. Pretty sure if Vettel didn't apologize then FIA would have let it go to be honest.. Also it's a racing incident..doesn't require a 10th place grid drop..IMO

[Ludepower]

Ludepower, did you watch the race? (not an insult)

Vettel's tires were shit, and Vettel knew that they were shit. Vettel braked too late for the corner. Kubica has him and is already on the outside of the line. Vettel understeers out and hits Kubica. It may not be a 10 place penalty, but it is Vettel's fault.

Naw I fell asleep nearing the end. So I dunno know the series of events...just judging this clip only.

We see this all the time...cars holding up another... doesn't mean they can have a free pass...Vettel dayum right is going to defend it tooth and nail. It was an unsafe pass...Vettel did not overbrake...they went in the corner at the same time.

Re-watch the video...how come Im not seeing what you describe in the incident?

[Blinky]

Check out this video before F1 management removes it. :rolleyes: Check it out at 1:45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvwBse4kzgg

You're absolutely right that Vettel can/should defend his position. But the overhead video is more telling than the in-car. I was wrong - Vettel does brake in time for the corner (I didn't see this correctly on the in-car), but he actually hits Kubica on corner exit.

Kubica has a quarter car on Vettel at entry and half a car at the apex. Kubica has position at the apex. Vettel spears Kubica on the way out of the corner, when he should have held off on the throttle.

After reviewing the overhead, I am more sure that it was Vettel's fault. Granted, Kubica could have chosen a better spot to pass.

[Great68]

If Vettel did not understeer the collision would not have happened.

[Ludepower]

Check out this video before F1 management removes it. :rolleyes: Check it out at 1:45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvwBse4kzgg

You're absolutely right that Vettel can/should defend his position. But the overhead video is more telling than the in-car. I was wrong - Vettel does brake in time for the corner (I didn't see this correctly on the in-car), but he actually hits Kubica on corner exit.

Kubica has a quarter car on Vettel at entry and half a car at the apex. Kubica has position at the apex. Vettel spears Kubica on the way out of the corner, when he should have held off on the throttle.

After reviewing the overhead, I am more sure that it was Vettel's fault. Granted, Kubica could have chosen a better spot to pass.


You're right about the overhead and the in-car view...dayum what a big difference...the overhead has Kubica 3 quarters ahead and the in car has Kubica and Vettel side by side. Anyways both drivers were wrong more on Kubica part for the unsafe pass. It was a racing incident..nothing intentional...Vettel should not be peanilzed thats all.

[impactX]

Should have been a racing incident... Kubica didn't leave enough room for Vettel to turn. When you force another car to go on the curb like that... it's bound to happen.

[HonestTea]

If anyone wants in on Fantasy F1, PM Me and I'll send an invite.

Pick drivers + Team, see how you stack against other players.

Set your drivers for each race.

PM Me if interested.

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow, they threw out McLaren's results after determining that they basically lied to get Trulli thrown out.

This is the exact same bullshit that made me stop watching F1 before. Why can't it just be about racing. All these lies and deceptions, whining and fingerpointing, all the way down to espionage. Just takes away from the sport, and even detracts from the drama and entertainment of other stories that occur.

[HonestTea]

invite sent to the 5 guys

Anymore people want to join F1 Fantasy?

Tell me before Qualifying for Sepang, Malaysia(Friday)

[McDick]

If anyone wants in on Fantasy F1, PM Me and I'll send an invite.

Pick drivers + Team, see how you stack against other players.

Set your drivers for each race.

PM Me if interested.

send me an invite

[HonestTea]

McDick, PM me your email, so I can send the invite

[Raid3n]

sure, send me one too =p ygpm.

[impactX]

Wow, they threw out McLaren's results after determining that they basically lied to get Trulli thrown out.

This is the exact same bullshit that made me stop watching F1 before. Why can't it just be about racing. All these lies and deceptions, whining and fingerpointing, all the way down to espionage. Just takes away from the sport, and even detracts from the drama and entertainment of other stories that occur.

Because Lewis did that before... and caused Vettel and Webber to crash while going like 15km/h behind a safety car, drivers have to pick whether they can pass or they have to stay behind and Lewis just baited them into making that mistake.

[HonestTea]

PM Sent! Register/pick by tonight!

SEPANG HERE WE COME!!

[XRS]

If anyone is interested, here are the link for tonit Qual:

http://zh-tw.justin.tv/dragons_bar/popout

[HonestTea]

TERRIBLE ERROR BY FERRARI

@_@!

[McDick]

TERRIBLE ERROR BY FERRARI

@_@!

exactly! Ferrari under-estimate other cars. They have to get over the domination over the past few seasons. It's a totally new game in Formula 1 now.

[Vancouver240sx]

1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 660kg
2. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 656.5
3. Timo Glock, Toyota, 656.5
4. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 656
5. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 656
6. Robert Kubica, BMW-Sauber, 663
7. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 662.5
8. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn, 664.5
9. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 680.5
10. Nick Heidfeld, BMW-Sauber, 692
11. Kazuki Nakajima,Williams, 683.4
12. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 688
13. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 647
14. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 688.9
15. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 670.5
16. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 689.5
17. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 681.9
18. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 680.5
19. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 655.5
20. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 686.5


rich

[TOPEC]

mmm rain makes everything more interesting.

is the race thats on TSN now LIVE at malay?

[skyxx]

^ Yes. hahah It's so awesome with the Hard Rain and all...

[HonestTea]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

LOL

RED FLAG

THIS IS CRAZY AS HELL!

[StylinRed]

i dont think they're gonna start it again


like they're saying now its too dark and ts gonna be nighttime in 1hr

[TOPEC]

thats gonna suck if they cut it short.
maybe they do do it night time. lol

[skyxx]

The amount of water/rain is surreal..lol...

[TOPEC]

^thats SE Asia for u.

they should restart the race and get it over with.
its getting boring now.......................


booo they cut it short.

[CDN-R32]

Now they cancel it!!! The rain looked like it let up from the down pour! That sucked!

[Raid3n]

^not enough time left in the race.

they had like 11 mins left and they have to give 10 min notice before they restart the race. and then they have to start behind the SC, and that will take more than 1min to do a lap so there is no point continuing.

[HonestTea]

wow that was lame LOL

[impactX]

Bernie wanted to host the race at that time to make the European viewers happy... now look what happened haha.

Anyway, congrats to Jenson again! 4 stops, stayed on top... Look at how Ferrari fell apart.

[Senna4ever]

I'll bet Ferrari is missing Ross Brawn's presence now...

[impactX]

I am sure.

Again, Ferrari keeps promoting its fellow italian to important positions instead of reaching out for talents is what made them fail epically.

[McDick]

it sucks they stopped the race. It will be very interesting if they allow to keep it going.

[HonestTea]

HOLYYYYYY

so much drama in F1 right now LOL

Hamilton/Ryan lying -> McLaren goes to court AGAIN as they may face more penalties + suspensions

Hamilton Sr. wants his son to leave McLaren after what happened(rumors)

Ferrari has ZERO points in two races

Ferrari not expect to summon Schumi for China's race

BrawnGP 2/2 raping EZ

AAAAAAAAAAAAAND the Diffuser Appeal

[Hondaracer]

richard hammond drives last years V10 car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo

[Rich Sandor]

This is the first year ever that I am watching every single F1 race no matter what. I'm not much for spectating, but the shit is good this year!

[Vancouver240sx]

Rich I know you love to watch :P

[HonestTea]

http://tickets.singaporegp.sg/

Does anyone know if those prices are in RMB(Chinese Currency) or USD or British Pounds?

Cause those prices, if you convert it to CAD/USD it's CHEAP AS HELL!

[SkinnyPupp]

http://tickets.singaporegp.sg/

Does anyone know if those prices are in RMB(Chinese Currency) or USD or British Pounds?

Cause those prices, if you convert it to CAD/USD it's CHEAP AS HELL!
As indicated on the site, it is in Singapore Dollars. Not sure why you'd expect RMB or USD or anything else other than Singapore currency. Especially when all the prices say "S$" which is the symbol for "Singapore Dollars"

Anyway, there ya go...

[TOPEC]

when will the next race be?

[SkinnyPupp]

April 19th from Shanghai

People: www.f1.com

[HonestTea]

As indicated on the site, it is in Singapore Dollars. Not sure why you'd expect RMB or USD or anything else other than Singapore currency. Especially when all the prices say "S$" which is the symbol for "Singapore Dollars"

Anyway, there ya go...

thanks lol, I kinda missed the "S" infront of the $

oh noez, now it's $1000 CDN :(

[skyxx]

Honestly, watching F1 in person is boring. It's fun for the first 5-10 minutes and the last 5-10 minutes... then you can't hear shit for hours lol.

[Hondaracer]

Honestly, watching F1 in person is boring. It's fun for the first 5-10 minutes and the last 5-10 minutes... then you can't hear shit for hours lol.

my moms been to montreal as well as indianapolis, she said if you sit close enough you actually become physically ill from how fuckin loud the cars are

[Blinky]

Earplugs are a complete and absolute MUST.

Take 'em out every once every 10-15 laps to hear the cars as they scream by and then replace. There is no better way to experience the speed and outright violence of a F1 car as it passes than to hear it going by.

[chun]

Massa: "I need a WHITE VISOR! Please come on, a WHITE visor otherwise I can't see anything!!"
Team: "Felipe baby stay cool, we're bringing you a white visor!"

:lol

[rcoccultwar]

Honestly, watching F1 in person is boring. It's fun for the first 5-10 minutes and the last 5-10 minutes... then you can't hear shit for hours lol.

Those seats must have been really stuffy. IMHO, cheapseats are the way to go.

[tamazoid]

Looks like the diffusers used by Brawn, Toyota and Williams are legal! Looks like I'll still be watching F1!

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9176.html

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9175.html

[akira112]

Brawn will probably have to figure out a way to implement KERS if they want to stay competitive the whole season.

[tamazoid]

Brawn will probably have to figure out a way to implement KERS if they want to stay competitive the whole season.

But some of the drivers don't like using the KERS cause it's too heavy and slows them down in corners. And they can't use it to ballast the weight.

Look at BMW... Kubica isn't using it, but Heidfeld is. But they get similar times.

I guess it also depends on the circuit they're racing on and how big they are.

[Rich Sandor]

Does anyone know if there is a minimum weight and maximum power output (power or power/time) for the KERS system? I think there is a lot of potential to improve the KERS, either the weight or the power output, to get a better advantage over the non-KERS cars - except if F1 makes the mistake to freeze the weight/power capacity of the KERS unit within a set of parameters, then the teams have no incentive to develop it further once it's maxed out within the rules.

[chun]

^
5.2.3 The maximum power, in or out, of any KERS must not exceed 60kW.
Energy released from the KERS may not exceed 400kJ in any one lap.
Measurements will be taken at the connection to the rear wheel drivetrain.KERS = 15kg for a 6.6s boost of 80hp.

[tamazoid]

^
KERS = 15kg for a 6.6s boost of 80hp.

I thought the weight of the system was 30kg...

[chun]

I thought the weight of the system was 30kg...

Yeah my bad, 25-35kg.

What I read was that it was 15kg... off from the fuel tank to run KERS lol

[jeff_alexander]

Win, FIA rules in favour of Brawn, Williams and Toyota in Diffuser dispute.

[impactX]

which is BS in a way as Redbull asked for clarification last year as they had the same idea and FIA told them that it's illegal.

[HonestTea]

SHANGHAI HERE WE COME!

[HonestTea]

F1 Fantasy, change your drivers for this week :)

[Raid3n]

pretty sure the lockout was a day or two ago =x or at the very least, it closed at the beginning of practice...

[skyxx]

This season will be interesting, especially near the European dates cause then most teams would have the new Diffusers ready. :)

[HonestTea]

Raid3n: I don't think so haha My friend just changed his line-up and I'm waiting for Practice #3 to end first lol

It usually closes 1 hr or 30minutes before Qualifying ^^ unless they changed it for Shanghai :(

[HonestTea]

CRAZY!

VETTEL FTW!

[skyxx]

^ Unexpected..lol RBR in the lead. BTW, Renault had their new diffuser on their cars right?

[HonestTea]

I think it was a "Interim" Diffuser on the Renault's

[chun]

Very unexpected, Vettel takes pole :p

[SkinnyPupp]

Awesome to see Red Bull and Alonso do well. However they are all running really light, so it will probably be 1-2 again for The Cheaters.

It would be a spectacular "FUCK YOU" from Renault and RB though, wouldn't it?

01. Vettel 644.0kg
02. Alonso 637.0kg
03. Webber 646.5kg
04. Barrichello 661.0kg
05. Button 659.0kg
06. Trulli 664.5kg
07. Rosberg 650.5kg
08. Raikkonen 673.5kg
09. Hamilton 679.0kg
10. Buemi 673.0kg

[TOPEC]

mmm another wet wet race.

[HonestTea]

FUCKING GAY!

SAFETY CAR FTL!

already 7 laps gone...BORING as hell!

[TOPEC]

yea safety car FTL, but u still get people overshooting the corners lol.

here we goo!

[HonestTea]

SEBASTIEN VETTEL YOU FUCKING BEAST!


:D:D:D:D:D:D

[jeff_alexander]

Epic race, good job to Vettel and Webber.

[SkinnyPupp]

Red Bull gives you wins!

[HonestTea]

Anyone staying up for Bahrain? 5am! FUCKING HELL!

[Raid3n]

my friend and i are... haha. he's taking a nap cause he has to go straight to work after the race.

[HonestTea]

^ Fuck, you guys are beastly!

I think I might have to record it and watch it when I wake up :( getting too tired

1hr til pre-race show, 1hr + 30min for race T_________T

[Hondaracer]

Red Bull gives you wins!

lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow that was a boring GP. After 20 laps, it was clear that Button would win. Good for Button, but boring in terms of an exciting race :(

[impactX]

Would be interesting to see Ferrari bounce back with their rumored triple-decker diffuser.

[HonestTea]

Yeah, this race was meh...wasn't really that exciting =/

Maybe it's because I didn't watch it live and instead, recorded it and watched it in the afternoon :)

[SkinnyPupp]

OK so after 2 months of stagnating on page 10 of the VAC, I think my point has been made about having this thread in the wrong forum. So I'm moving it permanently to Sports.

[impactX]

Or everyone is just sick of seeing Button winning, the politics of F1, the budget teams entering F1 next year, and Max Mosley's craziness. :D

[SkinnyPupp]

I was SO hoping for just a nice clean season, with more competitive parity among the teams, and no fucking politics.

Unfortunately, I guess it just won't happen.

Part of me wishes Ferrari would do good on their threat, and just leave F1. Like that's gonna happen though

[Hondaracer]

man i downloaded and watched the BBC coverage of the monaco GP last night, their presentation is sooo much better than speeds..

[SkinnyPupp]

TSN used to show the ITV feed live.. Do they do that with BBC coverage now?

I agree, BBC's F1 coverage is pretty good. Not perfect, but surely better than Speed.

I watched a race on TV in Japan before.. That was fucking whacky. They had cartoons of all the drivers and everything :lol

[Hondaracer]

lol

[Blinky]

TSN uses the BBC feed.

I haven't watched the Speed feed this year, but I prefer the British booth crew (Brundle and ???) over the verbose Varsha and Hobbs.

How does Speed handle commercials? TSN split-screens the live F1 feed with commercials and pipes in the audio for the advertisements. Really annoying -- I'd rather that TSN actually cut for commercials, even if this did make the broadcasts run a bit longer...

[Eff-1]

Saw on TSN today that KERS will be discontinued after this season.

lol the management of F1 is such a joke right now. Makes Gary Bettman look like a genius.

[HonestTea]

Saw on TSN today that KERS will be discontinued after this season.

lol the management of F1 is such a joke right now. Makes Gary Bettman look like a genius.

LMFAO I KNOW! The FIA(Max Mosley and Bernie) are such jokers...Their we're only like 36 000 fans at Istanbul over the weekend...yet Bernie pulls Montreal GP(mostly, if not always sold out and packed) and Indianapolis GP's out of the GP line-up...

Bernie you marketing GENIUS!

Also this season is practically over, Jenson Button/Brawn for WDC and WCC, after Silverstone or Spa is when he'll probably clinch it..what a gay season :( Looking forward to 2010 already with new teams joining, like Lola, USGP and maybe Lotus.

PS: You guys know whats bullshit? TSN was showing Sportscenter until 6am, then French Open and SPEED was showing some gay show until 5:30 then some NASCAR event...talk about GAY..

[dai3yuen]

Gay season? Harkens back to the Schumi years where it was all over by the fourth race....at least this year, it appears that BGP has some competition from RB and maybe a couple of others..,although, I won't be disappointed when JB & Brawn wins both the WDC & WCC!

I can't wait for next season as hopefully this will mean the return of pre-qualifying!

BTW, the race was on TSN2 but they don't show the pre-race build up anymore that ITV used to do. Not sure if BBC does it or not, but I miss that...especially the grid walk & interviews!

[Great68]

Last season was WAY more exciting.

Maybe it was because there was more rain, or Ferrari and McLaren were more evenly matched, or both teams made more mistakes... Either way it was much more exciting to watch.

Good thing they didn't change the points system to most wins, or this season WOULD practically be over already.

On another note, I HATE TSN! They seem to do their stupid commercial split-screens right when there's some good action.

[Blinky]

There's never a good time for the commercial split screens - MAYBE an untimely safety car (when nobody is in their pit window)...

I'd rather that they just effectively "pause" the live feed at the moment of going to break. Also ISTR a few years ago, TSN did have a split advertising arrangement, but they had a title sponsor such that the sound was still on the f1 broadcasat.

[HonestTea]

Gay season? Harkens back to the Schumi years where it was all over by the fourth race....at least this year, it appears that BGP has some competition from RB and maybe a couple of others..,although, I won't be disappointed when JB & Brawn wins both the WDC & WCC!

I can't wait for next season as hopefully this will mean the return of pre-qualifying!

BTW, the race was on TSN2 but they don't show the pre-race build up anymore that ITV used to do. Not sure if BBC does it or not, but I miss that...especially the grid walk & interviews!

Fuck yeah it's a gay season! Compared to last season and the season before...Both seasons came down to the last race in Sau Paulo..that's a lot more exciting then Jenson Button/Brawn clinching the title after Silverstone or Spa..

[Great68]

What's ironic is that the rule changes were supposed to make for closer racing.

That sure worked well...

[Z3guy]

What's ironic is that the rule changes were supposed to make for closer racing.

That sure worked well...


at least there is more passing than ly....but they got to get rid of those soft compound tires...or at least make them not fall off so quickly.....

[Z3guy]

Fuck yeah it's a gay season! Compared to last season and the season before...Both seasons came down to the last race in Sau Paulo..that's a lot more exciting then Jenson Button/Brawn clinching the title after Silverstone or Spa..

I hope Jenson Button and Brawn GP win the title.....however, I think the other "big" teams are going to make tremendous progress over the next 5 races.....I believe there is still 11 races to go.....even though Jenson has over a 30pt lead over Vettel...all it takes it a couple of DNFs by Jenson and a couple of wins by Vettel...and it will be close....

[Great68]

at least there is more passing than ly....but they got to get rid of those soft compound tires...or at least make them not fall off so quickly.....

I don't understand the reasoning of requiring cars to run BOTH tire compounds in a race....

I guess the performance difference is so small no teams would run the soft compound, but then like you say maybe they should make a better soft compound.

[Eff-1]

If anything, the soft compound rule at least adds strategy to the overall race. It's a bit of a guessing game to see which teams run the soft compound first or last.

Let's face it, in a season when one guy is running away with it before the halfway mark, I'll take all the strategy I can get.

The one rule I wish they didn't have was limiting the number of engines and gearboxes. Teams should be able to go balls to the wall and not suffer any kind of penalty if engines blow or gearboxes need replacing. When was the last time we saw any kind of mechanical failure in terms of an engine blowout?

[Eff-1]

As for the broadcasting, don't get me started on TSN.

We don't get any kind of pre-race show or post-race discussion are gone as well. Now we get race, podium, interviews (which are usually cut-off part way through) so they can run Sportcentre. Seriously, it's bloody 730am on a Sunday, do you REALLY need to show Sportscentre that badly???

I would more than happily trade the BBC announcers for the SPEED announcers if it means we get to see pre-race grid walks and full post-race interviews again.

[HonestTea]

As for the broadcasting, don't get me started on TSN.

We don't get any kind of pre-race show or post-race discussion are gone as well. Now we get race, podium, interviews (which are usually cut-off part way through) so they can run Sportcentre. Seriously, it's bloody 730am on a Sunday, do you REALLY need to show Sportscentre that badly???

I would more than happily trade the BBC announcers for the SPEED announcers if it means we get to see pre-race grid walks and full post-race interviews again.

+1 Last year we had pre-race show and that was pretty damn cool! but the interviews would be cut off entirely or mid-way through if they pass their allotted time slot. For what? like Eff-1 mentioned, for Sportscenter..seriously..? Do they really need to replay Sportscenter 5-7x in a row during the night and into the morning?

Fucking pisses me off, hence I usually switch to SPEED now cause I sure as hell ain't supporting TSN's broadcast. Also the split-screens are a fucking JOKE! Okay in Sepang, when the drivers are all sitting on the grid waiting if the race is still on or not, that's alright...but they do it for other races as well when the race is still going on...WOW..

[Blinky]

The tire rule makes a one-stop strategy even less useful now. Who knows how it will end up next year?! (no in-race refuelling next year). If there's a case where the difference in tires is HUGE, it might make a 3stopper a viable strategy.

though I'll watch the rest of the season, I don't think it will be super competitive unless it rains a lot. Brawn is just so fast and Button is doing a brilliant job in extracting what he can out of the car. RBR's car just isn't as good and I think the only way that can be made up is if the gods decide to piss all over Europe.

[dai3yuen]

The thing with the split screen is that when ITV used to broadcast the race, they have commercial breaks and TSN would follow along when ITV would break. The BBC does NOT have commercial breaks, so therefore, TSN either has to cut out directly or do the split screen like they are now.

I know that with Turkey, when they did the split screen there happened to be some passing happening on the track, but that's just coincidence...

I haven't watched a Speed presentation for a while, so I don't know how they handle commercials? Can't stand the Speed broadcasters though....although, Lee McKenzie needs to go back to journalism school, she was crap on Sky with the A1GP and she's crap on the Beeb with F1......wish they'd hired Louise Goodman (although Lee is much better looking than Louise!)......also miss Ted Kravitz!!

[impactX]

This year's 2-compound rule is worse than last year's because Bridgestone is skipping 1 compound between... Eg: They bring a supersoft and a medium to a race (skipping soft) and then bring a soft and a hard to the next race (skipping medium). The only exception was the Monaco race.

[Z3guy]

If Button wins the championship.....the equilvalent in other sports would be;

LA Clippers win the NBA championship
Detriot Lions win the superbowl

I don't think there is even a hockey team bad enough.....

[SkinnyPupp]

If Button wins the championship.....the equilvalent in other sports would be;

LA Clippers win the NBA championship
Detriot Lions win the superbowl

I don't think there is even a hockey team bad enough.....
Not quite. Let's not forget that Honda has invested like half a billion dollars into the team. Brawn GP = Honda GP, just with a different name.

Oh and that hockey team would be the Maple Leafs ;)

[impactX]

Button is a great driver (as shown in 2004), he just never had a good car (other than in 2004). Look at where Rubens is compare to Jenson, it's almost like history is repeating itself. :lol

[Great68]

If anything, the soft compound rule at least adds strategy to the overall race. It's a bit of a guessing game to see which teams run the soft compound first or last.

Let's face it, in a season when one guy is running away with it before the halfway mark, I'll take all the strategy I can get.

The one rule I wish they didn't have was limiting the number of engines and gearboxes. Teams should be able to go balls to the wall and not suffer any kind of penalty if engines blow or gearboxes need replacing. When was the last time we saw any kind of mechanical failure in terms of an engine blowout?

I think giving the teams the choice, rather than making both compounds mandatory presents even more opportunity for strategy development.

Back in the earlier days of F1 when there were multiple tire compounds the teams were able to make a choice: Run softer tires for quicker lap times, or harder tires for longevity.
I think iBridgestone is shitting the bed with soft tires that are hardly worth the pit stop to run them.

The last big engine blowout was Kubica in Monaco, granted that was only in practice.

[Great68]

Not quite. Let's not forget that Honda has invested like half a billion dollars into the team. Brawn GP = Honda GP, just with a different name.



Well one other big difference is that they use Mercedes and not Honda engines...

[SkinnyPupp]

Well one other big difference is that they use Mercedes and not Honda engines...
Yes, but so is McLaren ;)

[Great68]

I wonder if their performance would have been better or worse if they were still under Honda, with Honda engines.

[Blinky]

I wonder about Brawn's performance with a Honda engine too. Look at RBR -- they're using Renault. Renault doesn't have their aero figured out and they suck.

How about Toro Rosso? They're using Ferrari engines but IIRC it's the same car as RBR. Now I know their drivers aren't top tier, but they haven't looked at all competitive.

finally, lest we think that Mercedes engines are the end all and be-all, Force India uses 'em too... I suppose overall, Brawn has top aero and a "good enough" engine. I can't help but think the lower rev limit reduces the differences between the engines as well.

[SkinnyPupp]

I wonder if their performance would have been better or worse if they were still under Honda, with Honda engines.
Probably pretty much the same. Engines are so rev limited now, they hardly matter. It all comes down to a better aerodynamic design than everyone else (Red Bull is close, and compare them to Renault). Under Honda, that would have been the same.

On the other hand, RB5 and STR4 are practically identical, so there is more to it than just the aero package.

But I don't consider the engines to be very important, at least in terms of performance. Reliability might be another issue.

[Senna4ever]

I haven't watched a Speed presentation for a while, so I don't know how they handle commercials? Can't stand the Speed broadcasters though....although, Lee McKenzie needs to go back to journalism school, she was crap on Sky with the A1GP and she's crap on the Beeb with F1......wish they'd hired Louise Goodman (although Lee is much better looking than Louise!)......also miss Ted Kravitz!!

Screw them all....I want Murray Walker back!!! :cry:

I also want James Hunt back too, but too bad he had to have that somewhat fatal heart attack.

[ecsw]

Button is a great driver (as shown in 2004), he just never had a good car (other than in 2004). Look at where Rubens is compare to Jenson, it's almost like history is repeating itself. :lol

agree on that. i like Button much better than Hamilton but it's just me. :p

[impactX]

Yeah, Button doesn't run his mouth like Hamilton.

[dai3yuen]

That's because Button is older and more experienced.....Button knows what it's like to drive a shit car in F1 while Hamilton is just getting that experience now!

[Z3guy]

I wonder if Mclaren are regretting letting Adrian Newey go to Red Bull now?

[ecsw]

That's because Button is older and more experienced.....Button knows what it's like to drive a shit car in F1 while Hamilton is just getting that experience now!

Massa is also getting nice cars but he doesn't act like Hamilton. Much more friendly imo.

[Z3guy]

^ Hamilton can be arrogant, but can you blame him?...he is like 22yrs old and was driving the best car, everyone is calling him the man, and he is dating a pussy cat doll..........it's like a young hockey player who wins his first stanley cup when he is 19yrs old, they just think it is easy.....

[ecsw]

^ Hamilton can be arrogant, but can you blame him?...he is like 22yrs old and was driving the best car, everyone is calling him the man, and he is dating a pussy cat doll..........it's like a young hockey player who wins his first stanley cup when he is 19yrs old, they just think it is easy.....

that's right. I can't blame him, but I don't have to like him either. :p
I still think he got lucky for last year. Massa deserve the title more than he does. imo.

[Eff-1]

Massa is a hothead. And what makes Massa worse than Hamilton is that he lets his emotions affect his on-track performance.

[yamashek]

FIA released the 2010 entries and conditional entries:
The FIA statement in full:
2010 FIA Formula One World Championship Entry List

Following the completion of the applications process for teams to compete in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship, the following teams have been confirmed.

TEAM / CONSTRUCTOR
SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO / FERRARI
SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO / STR TBA
RED BULL RACING / RBR RENAULT
AT&T WILLIAMS / WILLIAMS TOYOTA
FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM / FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
CAMPOS GRAND PRIX / CAMPOS COSWORTH
MANOR GRAND PRIX / MANOR COSWORTH
TEAM US F1 / TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES* / McLAREN MERCEDES
BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM* / BMW SAUBER
RENAULT F1 TEAM* / RENAULT
PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING* / TOYOTA
BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM* / BRAWN TBA

*These five teams have submitted conditional entries.The FIA has invited them to lift those conditions following further discussions to be concluded not later than close of business on Friday 19 June.

Apparently the ACEA made comments about the current FIA/FOTA situation. FOTA also urged WMSC (World Motor Sport Council) to get involved with the situation too.

Let's see what happens on June 19th and later on.

[HonestTea]

FOTA teams to form breakaway series
Friday 19th June 2009

The Formula One Teams' Association have sensationally confirmed they are to form a breakaway series, causing the greatest upheaval in the sport's 60-year history.

Following a meeting of the eight teams that currently form FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Brawn GP, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso - they have all declined to enter F1 for 2010.

Despite weeks of negotiations with FIA president Max Mosley, the two bodies have failed to find a compromise, leaving the sport in total chaos.

The FIA had issued a deadline of close of business on Friday to enter next year's championship unconditionally to McLaren, Toyota, Renault, BMW Sauber and Brawn GP in particular.

As far as the FIA are concerned, Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso are contracted to enter, hence the reason they were given an automatic entry by world motor sport's governing body last Friday.

Ferrari have stated that contract, signed in 2005, was invalidated by the FIA when they failed to recognise the Scuderia's right of veto over the new regulations.

Mosley unilaterally announced the introduction of a voluntary £40million budget cap at the end of April without consulting the teams, most notably Ferrari.

The FIA will point to the fact discussions over cost control were first aired with the teams as far back as January 2008.

At that stage the likes of Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn and Toyota Motorsport president John Howett were in favour, although not Ferrari.

But it was Mosley's 'publish and be damned' attitude that has most angered the teams, and has now resulted in the greatest shock wave to hit F1 since the championship first began in 1950.

Whilst FOTA have now confirmed their intention to stage a breakaway series, the actual implementation is another matter.

Significantly, Ferrari face being embroiled in a legal wrangle that could last months, especially as Ecclestone has already stated his intent to sue for millions of pounds should they quit F1.

Any series without Ferrari will be hard to sell to television companies and race tracks around the world, the most renowned of which are signed up with Ecclestone.

Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso, both owned by the energy drinks magnate Dietrich Mateschitz, also face being embroiled in similar litigation as to Ferrari.

As for F1, their series as it stands today comprises Williams and Force India, who were forced to break with FOTA due to their own contractual obligations, and three new entrants in Campos Racing, Team US F1 and Manor F1 Team.

The FIA will steadfastly refuse to accept the stance from Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso.

But in the absence of the other five they will today likely name a quintet of new entrants as replacements as they do have other teams waiting in the wings, ready and willing to race under a cap.

Significantly, Lola - who were surprisingly not given one of the initial three new entries - announced on Wednesday they no longer wished to be considered by the FIA for the 2010 championship.

The suggestion is they are to join FOTA's new series, along with former BAR team principal David Richards' Prodrive organisation, who, like Lola, were surprisingly overlooked by the FIA a week ago.

One other scenario, although unlikely, is that Mosley will today back down from his previously staunch position and allow the FOTA eight to enter for 2010, with a prospect of further talks taking place in the near future.

Source: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5388223,00.html


LOVE IT! I hope their won't be that much rules/restrictions for the series :)

[Great68]

WOW that is the best motor racing news that I have heard in years! Screw FIA and their retarded rules.

[Raid3n]

maybe the spinoff series will run in montreal =D and maybe we can convince them (and the the city itself) to revive the vancouver road course! (not very likely =[ )

[HonestTea]

VETTEL FOR POLE!

[yamashek]

I really hope Sebastian Vettel can take this race.
He is the heaviest of all in Q3 and still got pole.

Below is the provisional grid for the British Grand Prix with each car's weight.

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 666.5 kg
2. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 657.5
3. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 659.5
4. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 658
5. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 652.5
6. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 657.5
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 661.5
8. Timo Glock, Toyota, 660
9. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 654
10. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 654
11. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 675
12. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 689.5
13. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 695.5
14. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 682.5
15. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 665.5
16. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 668
17. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 687.5
18. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 692
19. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 666
20. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 672.5

[HonestTea]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8TLBn7z1k

:haha: :haha: "Don't worry, Alonso already drives a tank.." hahaha

[yamashek]

Formula 1 finally is peaceful for now:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76495
Mosley: Peace agreed in Formula 1

By Steven English Wednesday, June 24th 2009, 11:49 GMT

FIA president Max Mosley has said he will not stand for re-election after claiming an agreement has been reached with Formula 1 teams to avoid a breakaway series.

According to sources, Mosley, F1 rights holder Bernie Ecclestone and Formula One Teams' Association [FOTA] chairman Luca di Montezemolo held a series of meetings overnight and into this morning, prior to today's World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris, aimed at resolving the crisis.

As part of the deal, Mosley has agreed not to stand again as president of the governing body, despite earlier this week stating that he felt compelled to do so as long as the threat of a breakaway championship remained.

AUTOSPORT understands that as part of the agreement the teams must call off the breakaway series and sign up to a new Concorde Agreement until 2012.

"There will be no split," said Mosley. "We have agreed to a reduction of costs. There will be one F1 championship but the objective is to get back to the spending levels of the early 1990s within two years."

The FIA is expected to announce the official entry list for the 2010 Formula 1 World Championship later this afternoon.

[StylinRed]

Wow, WEBBER way2go

he went nutz over the radio






edit: mmm camera kept freezing off of the hot chicks that clapped for the winners before the weigh in

[Eff-1]

Sutil. My heart breaks for thee.

[Eff-1]

I heard today that there will be no refueling during pit stops next season?

What's that about??

[Blinky]

I heard today that there will be no refueling during pit stops next season?

What's that about??

Well, you see... they start races with shitloads of fuel and only pit to change tires. :D

actually I think the ban on in-race refuelling sucks. It takes out an element of strategy (think of how today's race would have been different without pitstops!) It might be a cost issue - fewer people in the pit and all that. It's certainly a safety issue.

Since the ban is fully in effect next year, I sure hope that the aerodynamics working group gets their shit together and is able to figure out the dirty air issue. Unlikely, but we can always hope.

[StylinRed]

can a f1 car even fit enough fuel for a whole race oO

or is next years cars gonna have a huge tank

[impactX]

I heard today that there will be no refueling during pit stops next season?

What's that about??

The FOTA could be writing the rules for GP1 and there may not be anymore Formula 1.

Sutil just never has the luck... or he's just too inexperienced and get pressured into making mistakes.

[Burvs]

Tthere may not be anymore Formula 1.



-Yes there will be formula 1 (longest running motorsport ever)



Sutil just never has the luck... or he's just too inexperienced and get pressured into making mistakes.

...or Raikkonen could stop annihilating the force india car.

[valent|n0]

is there any torrent for F1 racing? or online video?
I can never watch live F1 show..

[impactX]

-Yes there will be formula 1 (longest running motorsport ever)




...or Raikkonen could stop annihilating the force india car.


Not if Max stays on.

[Senna4ever]

-Yes there will be formula 1 (longest running motorsport ever)
Not really, Indycars has been around longer under various sanctioning bodies.

[tamazoid]

is there any torrent for F1 racing? or online video?
I can never watch live F1 show..

This user usually gets the races out pretty quick!

http://www.mininova.org/user/darmeth

[impactX]

So Max is officially stepping down and is recommending Jean Todt to be the next president.

[dai3yuen]

This user usually gets the races out pretty quick!

http://www.mininova.org/user/darmeth

Go directly to the source: http://forum.darmeth.co.uk

:thumbsup:

I love his caps as sometimes I forget to set the PVR...

[Burvs]

So when there's a 2010 f1 season you all gunna gimme a doller?

[SumAznGuy]

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/story/?id=285698

BUDAPEST, Hungary -- Ferrari says Felipe Massa sustained bone damage to his skull and a concussion after his high-speed crash at the Hungarian Grand Prix and will undergo surgery.

Ferrari said the 28-year-old Brazilian was airlifted to AEK hospital following the accident and will remain "under observation in intensive care" following the operation.

Ferrari said his condition was "stable" upon arrival to hospital, where he was conscious.

A spring that had fallen off another car flew up and struck Massa in the helmet during qualifying on Saturday. An apparently dazed Massa continued straight through a curb, across the track and through the gravel area alongside the circuit before slamming into the tire barrier at high speed.

This happens just a week after Henry Surtees was killed after a wheel hits him in the head.

[SkinnyPupp]

AFAIK the GP hasn't taken place yet - this must have happened during qualifying. So instead of giving you points I'll just say "dude fucking spoilers, asshole!"

Remember for next time :)

[JulyZerg]

It's for qualifying :)