[hirevtuner]

This topic may have been done a while but would like to know; what percentage (not dollar amount) do you guys normally tip when dining at a restaurant?

10% or less?
10% - 15%?
15% and up?

Also, not to be racist, but do you tip our "own kind" restaurant more?
(ie. chinese ppl dining at a chinese rest)

[CRS]

I tip depending on service regardless of race.

So normally 10-15%...

I've never not tipped but crappy service gets something less than 10% (opposite goes for good service).

[icemiko]

I always give 10% after tax but if the service is really crappy I'll give less then 10%.

[CivicBlues]

15% everywhere
20% for exceptional service.

You guys are chepasses.

[unidentified]

10% for shitty service. Otherwise, between 15-20%.

[Vansterdam]

^ i agree

ill even go 5% if its REALLLLL SHITTY as in once in awhile encounters

and if u really got treated so badly as in worse u ever experienced i would say 2 cents as in waht you think

[liu13]

10% if actually good service

or not at all if mediocre

call me mr pink

and dont give me that cheap crap, a monkey could do their jobs

[TekDragon]

I give 10% for good service, less for mediocre, and I've given no tip a few times when it was deserved (Fish on Rice).

[liu13]

I give 10% for good service, less for mediocre, and I've given no tip a few times when it was deserved (Fish on Rice).

but AYCE places, the servers actually have to work hard

deserve at least a 15%

[achiam]

15% everywhere
20% for exceptional service.

You guys are chepasses.

I tip 10% max, anywhere I go in the world.
I do so not because I'm cheap, but because expecting a bonus for a job undermines the meritocratic system of a free market.

I worked at The Keg during High School/early University and fell into the typical restaurant mentality of expecting tips for extra effort.

I later worked on the organ transplant team and took organs out of dying/deceased organ donors, which directly saved lives and/or brought sight to the blind.

For this I was not tipped, and for this reason I abhor the practice of tipping.
The list of course, could go on.
Fire fighters are not tipped for saving families.
Policemen are not tipped for bringing a hostage situation under control.

I am well aware that tipping is a social expectation, but to follow everyone else blindly would be like jumping off a bridge - cheapass or not.

[Gnomes]

10% for Asian places
15% for almost all other places
0% for Hong Kong where it is not common practice to tip. You pay what you order, no hidden charges.

I also abhor the practice of tipping and even more so at the service charge they put on bills.

[hongy]

5% or less if it was shitty. Usually 10-20% depending on how great the experience was.
edit: fuck fish on rice. Lol gave like 5cents tip.

[CivicBlues]

I tip 10% max, anywhere I go in the world.
I do so not because I'm cheap, but because expecting a bonus for a job undermines the meritocratic system of a free market.

I worked at The Keg during High School/early University and fell into the typical restaurant mentality of expecting tips for extra effort.

I later worked on the organ transplant team and took organs out of dying/deceased organ donors, which directly saved lives and/or brought sight to the blind.

For this I was not tipped, and for this reason I abhor the practice of tipping.
The list of course, could go on.
Fire fighters are not tipped for saving families.
Policemen are not tipped for bringing a hostage situation under control.

I am well aware that tipping is a social expectation, but to follow everyone else blindly would be like jumping off a bridge - cheapass or not.

so in other words, you're a cheapass?

[Gnomes]

so in other words, you're a cheapass?

That is uncalled for and a little offtopic. Achiam did answer the OP and put in his opinion on how tipping is getting out of hand. You call achiam a cheapass, I call you a person who spoils service providers and defeat the purpose of tipping. Hopefully this thread wont turn into a tip vs no tip flamewar.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

0%


recession is hard on everyone

:haha::haha::haha:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

10% if actually good service

or not at all if mediocre

call me mr pink

and dont give me that cheap crap, a monkey could do their jobs

very true

:thumbsup:


serve food from point A to point B and some ppl tip them 20% and above for a no brainer job lolll


A gr.1 grad person can do that

[miss604si]

10% for shitty service. Otherwise, between 15-20%.

:thumbsup:

If the bill is discounted (i.e. coupons, comps, etc.), tip on the total amount of the bill BEFORE it was discounted, not on the amount after the discount has already been applied.

[03c0upe]

double the tax

[butter_sashimi]

10% if good
1 penny if bad

[CivicBlues]

That is uncalled for and a little offtopic. Achiam did answer the OP and put in his opinion on how tipping is getting out of hand. You call achiam a cheapass, I call you a person who spoils service providers and defeat the purpose of tipping. Hopefully this thread wont turn into a tip vs no tip flamewar.

another cheapass here folks.

[Girl]

Alright lets keep things on topic. It's obvious CB like to tip more than the rest of RS. Thank you, now moving on.

[TekDragon]

So, here's a question: Where should you tip?

Obviously you tip at restaurants if the service is good. I'm under the impression that you tip your barber/hair stylist, but I feel that the bonus they get for a good hair cut is repeat visits. Anywhere else where it is considered a social faux pas to not tip?

[Alphamale]

I tip 10% or less @ Ebisu. The food is alright, but the service is always shittastic. And no, I don't go there by choice.

[winson604]

I will admit I tip less at my "own" restaurant that being chinese. It appears chinese to me at least that chinese people have lower expectations with tipping. By that I mean the actually restaurant usually expects and is fine with 10% while white people will see 10% as being wdf? Sometimes I will tip 15-20% at a chinese place and almost always see a surprised and very thankful reaction by the server. At white places I usually hold a 15-20% minimum. Of course these minimums get slashed if the service was crap. It isn't rocket science to do the job of a server. I don't need you to kiss my ass, all I need you to do is to not be an ass, bring me my shiet, and don't vanish on me for the most part. I fucking hate it when I need to almost literally stand up and yell to get somebodies attention.

[v1nce]

When I went to wings @ surrey yesterday, they had already included the tips in the bill. It was under some categorie called service charge.

[2damaxmr2]

0% for shitty service.......











































































































































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i never tip

[rslater]

For those who don't tip or tip pennies on the dollar, I hope you all realize that your server can lose money because of you. If the service is terrible, then fine I understand not tipping, but you have to realize that servers tip out the staff and bartenders. Thus at the end of the night they have to take their tip money and tip out. Thus if you don't tip them, when their service was good, you can cause them to lose money.

[hal0g0dv2]

For those who don't tip or tip pennies on the dollar, I hope you all realize that your server can lose money because of you. If the service is terrible, then fine I understand not tipping, but you have to realize that servers tip out the staff and bartenders. Thus at the end of the night they have to take their tip money and tip out. Thus if you don't tip them, when their service was good, you can cause them to lose money.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

[Bender Unit]

When I went to wings @ surrey yesterday, they had already included the tips in the bill. It was under some categorie called service charge.I went to Wings Surrey quite often & they never include gratuity in their bills.

Were you go there with a large party ?
usually restaurant will add gratuity instintly when they need to serve large party such as 8+ persons.

[v1nce]

I went to Wings Surrey quite often & they never include gratuity in their bills.

Were you go there with a large party ?
usually restaurant will add gratuity instintly when they need to serve large party such as 8+ persons.


there was 6, is that considered large?

[Bender Unit]

PMed vince ;)

[fliptuner]

The % I tip is strictly based on service.

Sometimes I go to a Chinese/western diner for breakfast where the bill is usually $5-6. The lady always grabs me a paper, fills my coffee and asks if I need anything, etc. I've never tipped out less than $2.

Conversely, I've tipped nothing on meals over $200 (for 2 people). It's gotta be pretty bad to get to that though.

[achiam]

another cheapass here folks.

To be personally honest, the wealthiest people I know around the world frequently tip the very minimum that is socially accepted in the country they happen to be dining at. Note that I had personally put it out that I usually tip 10%, unless of course the establishment also has a separate gratuity in addition to this, usually 5% to a maximum I've seen of 7%.
In comparison, my acquaintances whom I've observed tipping very generously, usually do so at entry level establishments such as The Keg (no offense intended), and would clearly be uncomfortable to tip at such rates at some of the world's more finer dining establishments.

Given your unsolicited attack of myself and the other fellow who defended my neutral opinion, and taking into account my observations of minimal tippers vs. generous tippers, I must therefore presume that you:

a.) Harbor frustrations against the rich, and therefore tip generously to make yourself feel like a "baller."

b.) Probably hold a job which prevents you from "truly" becoming as rich as you'd like to be, hence needing to over tip to make up for this feeling of inferiority.

c.) Undertravelled (worldly)

d.) Earn about $14/hour (baller)

e.) All of the above!

[StylinRed]

if the service is rude they get 2cents and most likely a complaint to the owner (no middlemen straight to the main guy)

if its average service i tip whatever seems fair isnt really based on percentage but id guess 20%

if i loved the food and service i go up to 50% or whatever mood im in i usually go by $ amount and not %

usually find myself tipping hot dog vendors and small family establishments more than anywhere else, usually feels like they deserve/need it more



edit: civic blues proves he's gay once again

[liu13]

ok so to all the ppl saying shitty service

do you consider how few servers and/or chefs there are compared to customers?

you cant blame them if the manager is too cheap to hire more chefs and waiters, at most restaurants i worked at it was usually 4 or 5 at most during the busiest rushes, our capacity was about 150 ppl and it's hell during rushes

in these scenarios i would tip 15% as i usually do at AYCE places

[Alphamale]

For those who don't tip or tip pennies on the dollar, I hope you all realize that your server can lose money because of you. If the service is terrible, then fine I understand not tipping, but you have to realize that servers tip out the staff and bartenders. Thus at the end of the night they have to take their tip money and tip out. Thus if you don't tip them, when their service was good, you can cause them to lose money.

ok so to all the ppl saying shitty service

do you consider how few servers and/or chefs there are compared to customers?

you cant blame them if the manager is too cheap to hire more chefs and waiters, at most restaurants i worked at it was usually 4 or 5 at most during the busiest rushes, our capacity was about 150 ppl and it's hell during rushes

in these scenarios i would tip 15% as i usually do at AYCE places

If you don't like your job or you suck at it, quit. There's no shortage of servers.

[CivicBlues]

To be personally honest, the wealthiest people I know around the world frequently tip the very minimum that is socially accepted in the country they happen to be dining at. Note that I had personally put it out that I usually tip 10%, unless of course the establishment also has a separate gratuity in addition to this, usually 5% to a maximum I've seen of 7%.
In comparison, my acquaintances whom I've observed tipping very generously, usually do so at entry level establishments such as The Keg (no offense intended), and would clearly be uncomfortable to tip at such rates at some of the world's more finer dining establishments.

Given your unsolicited attack of myself and the other fellow who defended my neutral opinion, and taking into account my observations of minimal tippers vs. generous tippers, I must therefore presume that you:

a.) Harbor frustrations against the rich, and therefore tip generously to make yourself feel like a "baller."

b.) Probably hold a job which prevents you from "truly" becoming as rich as you'd like to be, hence needing to over tip to make up for this feeling of inferiority.

c.) Undertravelled (worldly)

d.) Earn about $14/hour (baller)

e.) All of the above!

Actually none of the above. The answer is,

f.) Just a regular guy who's not a cheapass douchebag like you.

I've tipped 15% when I earned less than $14/hr, I still tip 15% now that I earn significantly more than $14/hr. I DON'T tip in places like Italy, Australia and SE Asia where they have built in service charges/pay their servers well. I DO tip in Canada and the United States where I know servers make at or below minimum wage.

p.s. how is an undertravelled person worldly? I assume you mean "unworldly". A presumption of which, if you spend any time reading my posts, is ludicrious.

p.p.s. how do you figure your pseudo-intellectual diatribes against me constitutes an "unsolicited attack"?

To reiterate,
achiam = cheapass douchebag who needs a dictionary.

http://www.amazon.ca/Paperback-Oxford-Canadian-Dictionary-Katherine/dp/0195424395/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239566311&sr=8-1
Although, are you sure you can part with your $16?

[CivicBlues]

usually find myself tipping hot dog vendors and small family establishments more than anywhere else, usually feels like they deserve/need it more



edit: civic blues proves he's gay once again

If you think the amount of sausages you eat every day is going to impress me. Think again.

[liu13]

CB is so cool, i aspire to be like him, i should quit my job and work at retail and start over tipping too

[b-dub]

Q: Do you guys tip BEFORE tax or AFTER tax?

because if you tip 10% AFTER tax, it works out to roughly 15% BEFORE tax.

[brokentelephone]

Actually none of the above. The answer is,

f.) Just a regular guy who's not a cheapass douchebag like you.

I've tipped 15% when I earned less than $14/hr, I still tip 15% now that I earn significantly more than $14/hr. I DON'T tip in places like Italy, Australia and SE Asia where they have built in service charges/pay their servers well. I DO tip in Canada and the United States where I know servers make at or below minimum wage.

p.s. how is an undertravelled person worldly? I assume you mean "unworldly". A presumption of which, if you spend any time reading my posts, is ludicrious.

p.p.s. how do you figure your pseudo-intellectual diatribes against me constitutes an "unsolicited attack"?

To reiterate,
achiam = cheapass douchebag who needs a dictionary.

http://www.amazon.ca/Paperback-Oxford-Canadian-Dictionary-Katherine/dp/0195424395/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239566311&sr=8-1
Although, are you sure you can part with your $16?

Dude, achiam was making fun when he put words in brackets which is clearly evidenced by his second bracketed comment "(baller)" next to $14/hour. Your little attack on him and the link to the dictionary is indicative of your own stupidity, not his.

You pick up on the dumbest shit to criticize people..... there were certainly other comments you could have focused on if you really wanted to argue successfully.

As for tipping -- consider it as part of the waiters wage. It gives you some discretion on how much your meal should cost. The wages could be increased and tipping abolished, but then you couldn't do anything but complain if the service is shit.

[achiam]

Actually none of the above. The answer is,

f.) Just a regular guy who's not a cheapass douchebag like you.

I've tipped 15% when I earned less than $14/hr, I still tip 15% now that I earn significantly more than $14/hr. I DON'T tip in places like Italy, Australia and SE Asia where they have built in service charges/pay their servers well. I DO tip in Canada and the United States where I know servers make at or below minimum wage.

p.s. how is an undertravelled person worldly? I assume you mean "unworldly". A presumption of which, if you spend any time reading my posts, is ludicrious.

p.p.s. how do you figure your pseudo-intellectual diatribes against me constitutes an "unsolicited attack"?

To reiterate,
achiam = cheapass douchebag who needs a dictionary.

http://www.amazon.ca/Paperback-Oxford-Canadian-Dictionary-Katherine/dp/0195424395/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239566311&sr=8-1
Although, are you sure you can part with your $16?

Hey you know what?
Go fuck yourself! I'd never looked at your posts, but having viewed them, you're constantly full of aggravation and annoyance!
Its clear you're an insecure person in real life trying to lip off everyone on RS and God knows what other forums you're on.
But you know what? To quote the signature of someone else on this board:
"Arguing with someone on-line is like being in the Special Olympics."

I don't care who you are or what you do or if you're rich (which I truly doubt) or poor.
One thing is certain from your posts.
You're a fucking dick!

[Gnomes]

It is disturbing to see intolerance against someone's ideology with tipping. There is really no need to start calling somebody a douchebag for not thinking the same way as you do. Intolerance is the 1st step of terrorism or hatecrime.



Q: Do you guys tip BEFORE tax or AFTER tax?

because if you tip 10% AFTER tax, it works out to roughly 15% BEFORE tax.

I tip before tax. People usually use the double or triple GST rule of thumb.

[saucywoman]

k guys please quit the arguing and keep on the topic, thanks :)

[hotjoint]

I tip 10% max, anywhere I go in the world.
I do so not because I'm cheap, but because expecting a bonus for a job undermines the meritocratic system of a free market.

I worked at The Keg during High School/early University and fell into the typical restaurant mentality of expecting tips for extra effort.

I later worked on the organ transplant team and took organs out of dying/deceased organ donors, which directly saved lives and/or brought sight to the blind.

For this I was not tipped, and for this reason I abhor the practice of tipping.
The list of course, could go on.
Fire fighters are not tipped for saving families.
Policemen are not tipped for bringing a hostage situation under control.

I am well aware that tipping is a social expectation, but to follow everyone else blindly would be like jumping off a bridge - cheapass or not.

:werd: 10% max for me as well. Its not about being cheap.

And to everyone saying that the servers "depend" on those tips. Maybe they shouldnt "depend" on them or get another job cuz getting tips shouldnt be the reason why they are working in that field. Tips is the same as commission, you should be lucky to get it and if you dont then too bad.

[Grandmaster TSE]

i tip depending on the service, but i have been told i've been a little too generous :o

[CivicBlues]

Hey you know what?
Go fuck yourself! I'd never looked at your posts, but having viewed them, you're constantly full of aggravation and annoyance!
Its clear you're an insecure person in real life trying to lip off everyone on RS and God knows what other forums you're on.
But you know what? To quote the signature of someone else on this board:
"Arguing with someone on-line is like being in the Special Olympics."

I don't care who you are or what you do or if you're rich (which I truly doubt) or poor.
One thing is certain from your posts.
You're a fucking dick!

:lol Actually YOU started the argument with ME. But thanks for the laughs cheapass.

[CivicBlues]

Dude, achiam was making fun when he put words in brackets which is clearly evidenced by his second bracketed comment "(baller)" next to $14/hour. Your little attack on him and the link to the dictionary is indicative of your own stupidity, not his.

You pick up on the dumbest shit to criticize people..... there were certainly other comments you could have focused on if you really wanted to argue successfully.


Then by all means, provide your input!
;)

[achiam]

:lol Actually YOU started the argument with ME. But thanks for the laughs cheapass.

Sorry, you started it by commenting on my post and calling me a cheap-ass.
I do not wish to waste further efforts to defend myself by arguing with you, and hope you are more tolerant of other's opinions in real life.

[CivicBlues]

umm start at the beginning of this thread, I posted first, then you started it by picking a fight with me.

...hope you are more tolerant of other's opinions in real life.

My opinion: You're a cheapass

Now start practicing what you preach!

[quasi]

15-20% after tax is pretty standard, minmum $5. If the service was really really bad (to the point where I left feeling pissed off) I'd just round up to the nearest $5 Increment. so if it was $33 I'd round to $35 and they'd only get a couple bucks, fuck em.

[hirevtuner]

i would say a couple bucks for bad service is being very generous

[beetea]

always tipped after tax. 10% pretty standard for me.
but have left exact amount in change at a boston pizza.

but really, you tip more good for you, you tip less good for you.

[scottsman]

For those people who say that serving tables is easy they need to open their eyes and take their heads out of their ass.

I would also say that they have probably never dined anywhere good enough to appreciate the difference from an ok server to a great server. Get out of Sammy Js and Cactus and try a real restaurant.

[Gnomes]

Main purpose of dining out is to eat food, not to appreciate the servers. I would much rather pay more for excellent food with an ok server rather than ok food with excellent server. But i know not everyone feels the same way as I do.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Main purpose of dining out is to eat food, not to appreciate the servers. I would much rather pay more for excellent food with an ok server rather than ok food with excellent server. But i know not everyone feels the same way as I do.

+ 1 on this one.

I went out to eat, not to get served like a king. If i want to be served like a king i would hire a maid or a bitch.

AS long as my food comes out delicious and made from poin A to point B, i really dont give a flying fuck

[!Yaminashi]

Totally depends on the service, if its bad, I'll tip 10%.
If its good, I'll tip 15%. Its sad that some waitors/waitresses think that a tip is mandatory.

THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. Why should I be giving them my hard earned money if they provided shitty service?

[Great68]

My tip for average service is 10-15%.

I've given up to 30% a couple times when the service was absolutely outstanding, and I've given nothing for terrible service. If the service is bad, why tip anything at all? Doesn't that mean you're still rewarding bad service?

[November]

It's true that tips aren't mandatory. But speaking from the POV as a server, it is not a job that anyone can do WELL. I have to say that I'm a good server, always friendly and smiling even when I'm pissed off. I apologize for things that aren't my fault, make good recommendations and I'm efficient and speedy. I don't mind if people tip 10%, which happens from time to time (most of the time I get 15 - 20%), but it really annoys me when people don't tip at all! What most people don't realize is that servers have to pay a certain % of their bills to the kitchen and restaurant. Why should good servers have to take money out of their own pockets to serve you?

If you feel like the service is shitty, fine. Don't tip. But if you feel like you don't want to tip because you feel that the restaurants should be paying their servers more, I think you're just making an excuse to be cheap. It's not going to change just because YOU don't tip.

Also, for the people who get all annoyed and angry when there's a % tip charged onto the bill for large parties: The reason for this is that when large parties dine out, many people leave early, or "forget" to add on their tax/tip and servers end up being shorted on their tip.

P.S. It's not your server's fault if the food tastes like ass.

[illicitstylz]

how do you tip a pizza delivery guy? do you tip at all?

[Noir]

What most people don't realize is that servers have to pay a certain % of their bills to the kitchen and restaurant. Why should good servers have to take money out of their own pockets to serve you?

I think you're wording your argument to twist the bias to your benefit.

You don't HAVE to pay the kitchen anything, If I'm correct. From what i recall from restaurants, it's servers and kitchen staff pool all the tips together and everything is appropriated from that.

[q0192837465]

The MAXIMUM i tip is 10% to the amount before tax. NO EXCEPTIONS!

[Great68]

I think you're wording your argument to twist the bias to your benefit.

You don't HAVE to pay the kitchen anything, If I'm correct. From what i recall from restaurants, it's servers and kitchen staff pool all the tips together and everything is appropriated from that.

Yes.

It would be ILLEGAL for the restaurant to dock a server's base wage for anything. So no, they should not be paying anything "out of their own pocket".

[Gnomes]

What is that % that gets sent to the kitchen - for those establishments that uses that practice?

[misteranswer]

What is that % that gets sent to the kitchen - for those establishments that uses that practice?

It varies from 1% - 2% of the servers revenue, so I'm told.

[misteranswer]

Yes.

It would be ILLEGAL for the restaurant to dock a server's base wage for anything. So no, they should not be paying anything "out of their own pocket".

False.

Servers deal with money completely by themselves. They serve as their own til. As such, they are the only ones who have access to that money. If during cash out time they are short, the restaurant will dock the money from their pay cheque.

[November]

False.

Servers deal with money completely by themselves. They serve as their own til. As such, they are the only ones who have access to that money. If during cash out time they are short, the restaurant will dock the money from their pay cheque.

Exactly. (At least at most white restaurants).

I personally have never had to literally take money out of my wallet to tip out. However, every time that someone does not tip, I am having to cover that amount with the tips that I earned from another table.

I'm not trying to argue that all servers deserve to be tipped. I just think that servers who give good service shouldn't have to pay to serve. It's not always a pleasant job.

[November]

It varies from 1% - 2% of the servers revenue, so I'm told.

I believe it goes anywhere from 2 - 6% ish.

[HonestTea]

I tip 10% mostly, unless the service is REALLY bad then I leave whatever change I got(usually a lot less then 10%)

If the service is really good then 12-15% at most, but 10% is the norm or at least for me lol

[misteranswer]

Exactly. (At least at most white restaurants).


Not exactly.

Tipping out to kitchen staff and busers is not mandatory, according to the law. However, I'd assume that a restaurant which runs such a policy will probably stop giving you shifts if you didn't.

Not to mention, the kitchen staff will probably not be as quick with your orders.

And then you get people labeling you as a cheap ass when you tipped out but less than what is considered customary for your restaurant (or in some cases, if you had a good day)

[Great68]

False.

Servers deal with money completely by themselves. They serve as their own til. As such, they are the only ones who have access to that money. If during cash out time they are short, the restaurant will dock the money from their pay cheque.

When I worked for Canadian Tire way back when, all the cashiers held their own floats. At the end of the day, they NEVER had their pay deducted if they were short at the end of the day.

Sounds like someone needs to show those restaurants the Employment Standards act:

Deductions
21 (1) Except as permitted or required by this Act or any other enactment of British Columbia or Canada, an employer must not, directly or indirectly, withhold, deduct or require payment of all or part of an employee's wages for any purpose.

(2) An employer must not require an employee to pay any of the employer's business costs except as permitted by the regulations.

[November]

Like I said, I've never had wages actually docked from my paycheque. However, money from my tip pool are being docked everytime that someone leaves without a tip.

How can that not be considered money out of my pocket? It's hard earned cash and I have to pay out a portion of it just because someone else didn't tip.

Tipping out may not be mandatory by law, but, yes, as misteranswer said. It pretty much is.

[Great68]

Like I said, I've never had wages actually docked from my paycheque. However, money from my tip pool are being docked everytime that someone leaves without a tip.

How can that not be considered money out of my pocket?


I was not referring to tip pool. I was referring to paycheque. Misteranswer stated that a restaurant may dock an employee's paycheque for money that is "short", when Legally they cannot do this.

I called False on his false.

Tip pools are completely different. They are set up by agreements between staff & ownership, usually explained at start of employment. Some restaurants do not have tip pools. Either way, they cannot impact base wage.

[Noir]

Like I said, I've never had wages actually docked from my paycheque. However, money from my tip pool are being docked everytime that someone leaves without a tip.

How can that not be considered money out of my pocket? It's hard earned cash and I have to pay out a portion of it just because someone else didn't tip.

Tipping out may not be mandatory by law, but, yes, as misteranswer said. It pretty much is.

So basically you're saying: The kitchen should not be entitled to a portion of your tip as it will reduce your overall gain?

Haha.

Though not exactly enforceable by law, but I'd bet the custom of sharing portions with the kitchen was primarly borne out of courtesy. You know... Kinda like the custom of tipping. ;)

[November]

So basically you're saying: The kitchen should not be entitled to a portion of your tip as it will reduce your overall gain?

Haha.

Though not exactly enforceable by law, but I'd bet the custom of sharing portions with the kitchen was primarly borne out of courtesy. You know... Kinda like the custom of tipping. ;)

That is far from what I meant. I don't mind tipping out to the kitchen. In fact, I often tip them more than I am required to because I'm thankful that they're making my job easier. So, no.

The kitchen deserves the tip. I just don't feel like I deserve to have my cash taken away from me to serve a customer.

Edit: It's never a large amount, mind you, but it's the principal of the matter.

[Noir]

I just don't feel like I deserve to have my cash taken away from me to serve a customer.

Okay. You may have to explain this bit for me. How is cash being taken away from you when a customer fails to tip?

I can't seriously see you losing anything out-of-pocket.

[November]

Okay. You may have to explain this bit for me. How is cash being taken away from you when a customer fails to tip?

I can't seriously see you losing anything out-of-pocket.


OK, Assume that I have $20 float (servers at my restaurant all keep their own float for change. It comes out of my wallet).

Say a table comes in and their final bill is $100. They tip nothing. Assume that this is the only table that I serve all night. (unlikely, but for demonstration sake)

The amount of cash that I'm holding right now is $120. $100 which belongs to the restaurant, $20 which belongs to me.

At the end of the night, I may have to tip out, say 3% of my total bills/revenue to kitchen and house.

That means that when I am doing my cash-out, I have to give the $100 back to the restaurant and then I have to give out $3 tip to the kitchen and house.

I end up leaving with $17, which is $3 less than what I came to work with.

[Noir]

At the end of the night, I may have to tip out, say 3% of my total bills/revenue to kitchen and house.


Okay, if the 3% is paid out to the kitchen from the total bills/revenue. That means that the $3 paid out is coming from the $100 earned by the restaurant. So if that were the case, this is not an out-of-pocket expense to you.

However, if the agreement is that the kitchen gets 3% of total tips pool. You pay $0 because the total tips pool in your example is zero. Again, at no cost to you, and if there were, it would only cost you a portion of your tips. Not out of pocket.

I don't see why the $20 that you say belongs to you in the beginning would not belong to you by the end of the night.

[misteranswer]

Okay, if the 3% is paid out to the kitchen from the total bills/revenue. That means that the $3 paid out is coming from the $100 earned by the restaurant. So if that were the case, this is not an out-of-pocket expense to you.

However, if the agreement is that the kitchen gets 3% of total tips pool. You pay $0 because the total tips pool in your example is zero. Again, at no cost to you, and if there were, it would only cost you a portion of your tips. Not out of pocket.

I don't see why the $20 that you say belongs to you in the beginning would not belong to you by the end of the night.

The tip out is based on revenue, but still comes from your tips.

[misteranswer]

I was not referring to tip pool. I was referring to paycheque. Misteranswer stated that a restaurant may dock an employee's paycheque for money that is "short", when Legally they cannot do this.

I called False on his false.

Tip pools are completely different. They are set up by agreements between staff & ownership, usually explained at start of employment. Some restaurants do not have tip pools. Either way, they cannot impact base wage.

The Canada Labour Code says

(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (2)(c), no employer shall, pursuant to that paragraph, make a deduction in respect of damage to property, or loss of money or property, if any person other than the employee had access to the property or money in question.

and as shown earlier in the BC Employment Standards Act, it says

21 (1) Except as permitted or required by this Act or any other enactment of British Columbia or Canada

I'm not lawyer, but now I don't think this is clear cut. It sounds to me the Labour code says you can, but then the Employment act kinda says you can IF it's deemed a cost of doing business.

[Cman333]

<10% if shitty
10ish% if service was ok
20-30% if service was remarkable

If I get shitty food and service then I'll usually leave 5-10%. If I'm pissed I leave before the food even comes.

[rslater]

However, if the agreement is that the kitchen gets 3% of total tips pool. You pay $0 because the total tips pool in your example is zero. Again, at no cost to you, and if there were, it would only cost you a portion of your tips. Not out of pocket.

I don't see why the $20 that you say belongs to you in the beginning would not belong to you by the end of the night.

I don't understand how you don't understand what he's trying to say. His example was so simple. Its like basic common sense what he's saying. Yes I agree its an INFORMAL agreemant between the restrauant and employee that is NOT inforcable by law. HOWEVER, his example would demonstrate an instance in which he would lose his OWN personal money. The $20 at the start of the night belongs to him, and at the end of the night he's left with $17 from his $20. He paid out of his OWN pocket $3 to the bartenders, kitchen and hostesses. I'm not sure exactly if a manager would say he doesn't have to tip out because he made no tips, however, in principal he would have too pay out that $3.

[bcrdukes]

BC Employment Standards Act (http://www.labour.gov.bc.ca/esb/facshts/restaurant_emp.htm)

Q: What can be deducted from wages?

A: The only lawful deductions that can be taken from pay cheques are those for Canada Pension Plan, Employment Insurance, Income Tax and any other deductions authorized by the employee in writing to pay on their behalf money to a union, charity, social fund, insurance company (medical, dental, insurance plan) or to meet a credit obligation.

I think anything beyond that, on the topic of tips, is between the restaurant and the employee.

[325ist]

When I went to wings @ surrey yesterday, they had already included the tips in the bill. It was under some categorie called service charge.

That would make me so mad, I would pay in cash the exact amount for the food and walk out. I usually tiip 20 percent rregardless but it is getting retarded> tipping to eat, to get your hair cut..... I just want to pay list price for once

[Great68]

I have no problem with service charges, provided the customer is notified up front. The customer can then decide to leave if they do not want to pay service charges.

[Noir]

I don't understand how you don't understand what he's trying to say. His example was so simple. Its like basic common sense what he's saying. Yes I agree its an INFORMAL agreemant between the restrauant and employee that is NOT inforcable by law. HOWEVER, his example would demonstrate an instance in which he would lose his OWN personal money. The $20 at the start of the night belongs to him, and at the end of the night he's left with $17 from his $20. He paid out of his OWN pocket $3 to the bartenders, kitchen and hostesses. I'm not sure exactly if a manager would say he doesn't have to tip out because he made no tips, however, in principal he would have too pay out that $3.

Oh no. Trust me, I understand his example completely in a mathematical level. It's on the principle that I don't understand why tips to the kitchen should be borne out of the waiters out-of-pocket cash when tips are not present.

If what he's saying is correct that the kitchen gets 3% (as per November's example) regardless of whether a tip was left by the customer or not, that's not a tip. That's a 3% Kitchen commission. Commission because despite a tip not being present, the 3% seems like a mandatory entitlement for the kitchen.

If it IS commission, then those are not the employee's (waiter's) responsibility but the employer's. By which meaning November should NEVER be paying out-of-pocket.

Tips in my definition = Gratuity. Meaning that if no gratuity is available, nobody gets benefits. However, if gratuity is left by the customer, then the benefits are shared between waiter & kitchen staff.

Disclaimer: I may have a limited knowledge as I've never worked the food industry, but I'm seriously going on common sense here.

[misteranswer]

It's not a requirement, so it's not really a commission. It's just how things work.

I think it probably stems from the fact that the level of work the kitchen staff has to do for your customers is more tied to revenue than the amount of tips you server gets.

[pintoBC_3sgte]

<10% if shitty
10ish% if service was ok
20-30% if service was remarkable

If I get shitty food and service then I'll usually leave 5-10%. If I'm pissed I leave before the food even comes.

lol kinda go by your lil system ok-remarkable. but if i get shitty food and shitty service i tip 0-5% :p . They didnt do anything to service you or make it an enjoyable experience then why should they get anything in return :confused:

lol dont know if it works at all places like this but i know at cactus club when waiters and waitresses dont get tipped they end up paying out of thier own pocket when they tip out (certain % goes to kitchen and restaurnt) at the end of the night :lol: suckers

[rslater]

Oh no. Trust me, I understand his example completely in a mathematical level. It's on the principle that I don't understand why tips to the kitchen should be borne out of the waiters out-of-pocket cash when tips are not present.

If what he's saying is correct that the kitchen gets 3% (as per November's example) regardless of whether a tip was left by the customer or not, that's not a tip. That's a 3% Kitchen commission. Commission because despite a tip not being present, the 3% seems like a mandatory entitlement for the kitchen.

If it IS commission, then those are not the employee's (waiter's) responsibility but the employer's. By which meaning November should NEVER be paying out-of-pocket.

Tips in my definition = Gratuity. Meaning that if no gratuity is available, nobody gets benefits. However, if gratuity is left by the customer, then the benefits are shared between waiter & kitchen staff.

Disclaimer: I may have a limited knowledge as I've never worked the food industry, but I'm seriously going on common sense here.

Ahh interesting theory. I never thought of it that way. I guess your right if a waiter gets no tips and has to still tip out, the onus should actually fall on the restaraunt.

[misteranswer]

I heard that if you really want to signal to your server that you believe they gave bad service is to give them the tip as a pile of change.

If you want to signal really good service, add a penny on top.

[JesseBlue]

tipping just gives restaurant owners and "bosses" an excuse not to pay workers higher because people will give it to them...
anyway tipping should be because you get extraordinary service and not because you are obliged to or because everyone is doing it...
the restaurant should just add 10 percent for all the bill and mark it as "what's that term"..?..so people wouldn't be confused and make threads on how much to tip at restaurants

[extracrunchie]

im not against tipping but how about places that only accepts cash? i mean if its just cash, you're basically giving the owner more money. Unlike debits or CC.

[Qmx323]

.....When they charge ur debit card/CC there is an option to give % tip or monetary amount....

just like cash

infact the owner loses money to service charges and fees from their EFT provider. Which is why some places only accept cash so they can save a little bit of money at the expense of customers who only carry plastic.

[ConCho]

.....When they charge ur debit card/CC there is an option to give % tip or monetary amount....

just like cash

infact the owner loses money to service charges and fees from their EFT provider. Which is why some places only accept cash so they can save a little bit of money at the expense of customers who only carry plastic.

That and some restaurants (mostly Asian restaurants) avoid taxes so what they do is only accept cash. They can write any number they want to tax afterwards.

Depends. Generally if it's a new place and the service was really good, maybe 10%-20%

If the service was terrible, we would tip low, less than 10%

If we are a regular and the service is always good, tip is usually high.

Race doesn't matter, service is service.

[extracrunchie]

That and some restaurants (mostly Asian restaurants) avoid taxes so what they do is only accept cash. They can write any number they want to tax afterwards.

Depends. Generally if it's a new place and the service was really good, maybe 10%-20%

If the service was terrible, we would tip low, less than 10%

If we are a regular and the service is always good, tip is usually high.

Race doesn't matter, service is service.

Yup that and HST........therefore you're giving them 20%

[q0192837465]

I just give 10% pre-tax rounded down to the nearest quarter as tips. Yea, I'm not a good tipper.

[darkfroggy]

I never really got the notion of tipping.

You don't tip your teachers, your doctors, your grocery cashiers... why should food servers be any different?

[MelonBoy]

15-20% = Excellent server (friendly + solid food)
10% = Average (Typically how much I give)
My garbage (penny,dimes,nickels) change I get back from a bill = Garbage service/food (Food + server sucked)

Proabably only had 2-3 times, where I left like 1% tip or nothing...

I use a tip app on my iphone :) it lets you rate the service + food and gives you a nice little percentage haha

[Deathdot]

is it terrible that me and my girlfriend tipped 1 cent? here's the story:

we went to bubble world, which usually has pretty good service and food times, so we went last saturday and the restaurant was 60% full, not bad right? Well. There was 2 waitresses, 1 who would seat people and take one half of the restaurant, the other would take ours. So we already knew what we wanted to get, and it was only 2 dishes. First of all, she comes to our table 10 minutes after we're seated, and then, basically just doesn't say anything when she brings the water and puts the water on our table and walks away.

Anyway, so when she came back 5 mins after that we decided to order our 2 dishes. Just after 6-7 minutes or so, 2 more tables were seated, these tables came a good 20 minutes after us, and it was 2 people to each table. Anyway, one table ordered 2 drinks and 3 dishes, and the other table ordered 4 dishes and 2 drinks. Well, we waited 30 minutes, and we finally get our food. Chicken was overcooked to death, fish was bland.

And guess what? The two tables before us got their whole meal before us. We even had to wait for the fish to come out because they didnt come out at the same time.

So, basically, we waited around 45 minutes for our food, terrible pissed off waitress giving us attitude, terrible food (which i remembered isn't usually like this), disorganized kitchen (in the kitchen it's always first bill in first bill out, so what the fuck happened?) Well yeah so it's time to pay our bill, she gets that quickly. We didn't say anything to her and left her only 1 cent for the tip. Too harsh or correct move? I think she should have realized that she deserved it.

[6793026]

^ i'm don't run a professional restaurant but not everything is first in first out. I'm not going to wait 20 min for some douche's baked rice when i ordered fishballs that come from an already heated pot even though i ordered mine after the table.

[Deathdot]

I work in a kitchen. Everything is usually first in first out. Unless someone has made a modification to a dish and it's extremely busy, then I'll make that customer wait, while putting out the rest of the food. Or unless we're just serving soup. Other than that, it's usually first in first out, and I've worked at 3 restaurants.

[gdoh]

15% or more if service is really good

0 - 10% if service is shit

[Culverin]

I work in a kitchen. Everything is usually first in first out. Unless someone has made a modification to a dish and it's extremely busy, then I'll make that customer wait, while putting out the rest of the food. Or unless we're just serving soup. Other than that, it's usually first in first out, and I've worked at 3 restaurants.

That's at a caucasian style place I assume?

[Deathdot]

Yes it is.

[AlphaKappa]

you guys actually tip? :fuckthatshit:

[Jer3]

which bubble world did you goto? i goto the richmond one pretty often and have never got bad food or bad service.

[Deathdot]

I went to the one by metrotown. And yes, usually I get good service and good food. But honestly, how hard can it be to fry the crispy chicken nuggets and get the fried fish fillet? Honesty with plating and frying, i'm guessing the bill time for crisp chicken nuggets is like 3 minutes, and the fried fish fillet, should be around 3-5 minutes.

What's the explanation of getting our food 45 minutes later?