[ZhangFei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zdGVfR3Cpg

[twitchyzero]

MPAA's finally got a grin on its face

next up: Isohunt + Mininova!

[BlackV62K2]

You can't stop it.

[Stevie P]

Going to stop buying media for a while and get my bootleg on.

[lilaznviper]

and yet the site is still up and running

[tgill]

nobodys going to jail just yet its being appealed to supreme court in sweden
http://thepiratebay.org/special/2009epicwinanyhow.php

[InvisibleSoul]

Don't panic... the appeal will take years. :D

[wahyinghung]

No!!!!!!

[shenmecar]

this is what happened to torrentspy!

[tgill]

this is what happened to torrentspy!
torrentspy was shitty in the first place good riddance, tpb forever.

[AVS_Racing]

noooooooooooo lol o well im sure other torrents will pop up with the help of google search haha

[Gh0stRider]

dammit! thats where i get my porn from.

[meepmeepdeath]

dammit! thats where i get my porn from.
quick save as much porn as possible, you'll never know when the day comes in which you'll be trading porn offline with each other

[tegz]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(

[!Aznboi128]

*massive download in progress*

[Jason00S2000]

Going to stop buying media for a while and get my bootleg on.


Why?


Can someone tell me what's wrong with artists and the distributors from protecting their copyrights?

[Jason00S2000]

dammit! thats where i get my porn from.


This generation of entitled children leads to theft on a massive scale.


The more people like you are, the less everyone in the business makes. Even the talent is being paid less now due to massive piracy and tube sites.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Why?


Can someone tell me what's wrong with artists and the distributors from protecting their copyrights?

Uusally is the recording company that gets most of the money. A lot of small no name artists actually support p2p coz it gets their name out.

[Jason00S2000]

Uusally is the recording company that gets most of the money. A lot of small no name artists actually support p2p coz it gets their name out.


What about games, porn, movies, software...


What today's generation thinks is just 1's and 0's being harmlessly traded for free on the internet, is actually property that has been created by artists to be sold. When people trade it, they don't realize there are usually hundreds of people involved in creating that digital property they are trading. Do you think many artists, programmers, pornographers, directors, actors, level builders, etc are for people trading their hard work, for free?


It might seem harmless to you guys, but really, it is theft and there are a lot of people hurting because of it.


It isn't big faceless corporations that get hurt in the long run, it's the employees of that company that will be axed first as profits drop.

[Shun Izaki]

pirating and copied stuff been around for a long time in asia. Look at their record sales compared to that of western artists. They just take it, because as they get more popular, more and more venues and other merchandise make them more. I owuld have never heard of some artists if not for downloading

[BNR32_Coupe]

one of my former coworkers was contacted by some law firm regarding downloading music. she was so shocked but they dropped the charges or something after she apologized lol

[Manic!]

pirating and copied stuff been around for a long time in asia. Look at their record sales compared to that of western artists. They just take it, because as they get more popular, more and more venues and other merchandise make them more. I owuld have never heard of some artists if not for downloading

But depending on the contract record companies only make money on record sales not off merch.

[Jason00S2000]

pirating and copied stuff been around for a long time in asia. Look at their record sales compared to that of western artists. They just take it, because as they get more popular, more and more venues and other merchandise make them more. I owuld have never heard of some artists if not for downloading


Can you name some very large asian software / game / porno / music / movie companies?


Certainly massive piracy on a scale as you read about in asia HAS to hurt sales and cut deep into profits.

[FiveDime]

well the pirate bay will still continue operations after this verdict. Google is a torrent search engine... lets see them bust google. More torrents are searched through google than any other torrent search engine.

[Jason00S2000]

well the pirate bay will still continue operations after this verdict. Google is a torrent search engine... lets see them bust google. More torrents are searched through google than any other torrent search engine.


Do you suggest artists, developers, producers just stop trying to enforce copyright laws all together?

[FiveDime]

Do you suggest artists, developers, producers just stop trying to enforce copyright laws all together?



nope they need a new laws that WORK! for both parties and doesnt discriminate one. The way they are doing it now is not working as you can see. This is actually what TPB is fighting for if you were following the case session and frequent torrentfreak.com


Also another way to get over this issue an idea that RadioHead did. They knew you cant stop pirating it will always be there in the digital age. So what the did do is distribute they new album by donation, this was a great way for both parties to be happy.

Days after announcing the album's completion, Radiohead released In Rainbows as a digital download that customers could order for whatever price they saw fit. Upon its retail release, In Rainbows entered the UK Album Chart and the U.S. Billboard 200 at number one; it went on to sell three million copies worldwide in both digital and physical formats. The album earned widespread critical acclaim, and was ranked as one of the best albums of 2007 by several publications. In 2009, the record won two Grammy Awards for Best Alternative Music Album and Best Special Limited Edition Package.

[Presto]

It's time to rethink distribution, and bring it to the present, where all these technologies exist to deliver the media directly to the end user. Take mp3s for example: Apple is making bank off iTunes because they found a way to easily deliver commericial content.

[FiveDime]

All this verdict did was start a HUGE tsunami of possible law suits (including google). And in the end... pirating of content will still be there.

[FiveDime]

It's time to rethink distribution, and bring it to the present, where all these technologies exist to deliver the media directly to the end user. Take mp3s for example: Apple is making bank off iTunes because they found a way to easily deliver commericial content.



Exactly, iTunes is the #1 way of transferring legal music. This means people are wanting to purchase their content legaly the industry needs to play catch-up.

[Presto]

^^^

So, in the end, the lawyers win. Again.

[Jason00S2000]

nope they need a new laws that WORK! for both parties and doesnt discriminate one. The way they are doing it now is not working as you can see. This is actually what TPB is fighting for if you were following the case session and frequent torrentfreak.com


Also another way to get over this issue an idea that RadioHead did. They knew you cant stop pirating it will always be there in the digital age. So what the did do is distribute they new album by donation, this was a great way for both parties to be happy.



New games won't make much money through donation.

New movies won't make much money through donation.

New software won't make much money through donation.


People are cheap. This is not a battle between a good distribution system and a bad one, it's a battle between free and pay.


I buy all my music on iTunes. I told all my friends about this new wicked band called "Hollywood Undead". Out of my friends and associates, out of about a dozen who "got" the album, only two paid!

I asked "Why" and they said it was free on torrents, so why not? I said "What about supporting the artist" and they said "That's what a record company is for"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Jason00S2000]

Exactly, iTunes is the #1 way of transferring legal music. This means people are wanting to purchase their content legaly the industry needs to play catch-up.


Yes, and Steam is good for games, yet people will still prefer "free".

[Soundy]

It's time to rethink distribution, and bring it to the present, where all these technologies exist to deliver the media directly to the end user. Take mp3s for example: Apple is making bank off iTunes because they found a way to easily deliver commericial content.

Exactly, iTunes is the #1 way of transferring legal music. This means people are wanting to purchase their content legaly the industry needs to play catch-up.

Yes, EASY is the key. When everything was all about Napster, there was still FTP, Archie, IRC, and plenty of other file-sharing methods out there... but Napster got all the attention because it was EASY for even the stupidest n00b to use. Lots of others have tried to do the same as iTunes (including the reborn Napster bundled into WMP) but have never done as well, because nobody's made it so EASY. The others need separate programs, or have confusing licensing schemes... iTunes JUST WORKS. Type the name of the song, download it for a buck, and it magically appears on your iPod. Genius.

People (mostly) didn't use Napster because it was "free"... they used it because it made it EASY to find and get music.

[twitchyzero]

Only because the avg person finds software/movies/games too expensive.

Movie for $30, games for $50-70, software $40+ etc

Granted if they made their merchandise cheaper, there would probably be less people illegally downloading.

I'd sign up for Hulu if they had the service in Canada.

[Jason00S2000]

Only because the avg person finds software/movies/games too expensive.

Movie for $30, games for $50-70, software $40+ etc

Granted if they made their merchandise cheaper, there would probably be less people illegally downloading.

I'd sign up for Hulu if they had the service in Canada.



Twitchy,


That's interesting. 15 years ago games were still $50. Applications were usually much more expensive, Vegas Video was $999 for awhile, now similar software is $50.


Games have remained the same price for a long time, with prices of EVERYTHING ELSE going up! Alcohol, smokes have nearly doubled. Car prices have skyrocketed. Real estate is outrageous enough that families making 200k a year in Vancouver will still find it difficult to afford a house anywhere along Cambie street.

Games, however, have stayed the same. Albeit the market has grown exponentially...


I don't think games are too expensive at all. I think I would be willing to pay up to $100 for epic production on a game. You have to keep in mind that most games have huge production teams working on them now, not like back in the days of Archon where 2 people could put out a full game.

Or Mount and Blade. ( Check out Mount and Blade, awesome game for only $20 )

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ look at WoW they make u pay a montly fee and no one complain about it. It is coz the game is fun to play. Blizzard put in the effort with new updates to keep people interested.

Jason u mean aobut not supporting the artist/porn artist.... some of the stuff we can't buy in Canada.... lets say some Japanese AV star, there is not way we can buy their DVD's since they don't sell here.

Also, people download for free becasue some stuff is not worth it. How many songs you actually from a CD? Maybe 1 or 2 but you have to buy the whole CD. Also who uses CD players now?

Software is too expensive.... $200 for an OS? $200 for Microsoft office and many other software that's at least $100. And you can only use each copy of the software on one computer. Of coz people are going to try to get it for free.

I don't even go to the movies now unless it is a really really good movie. Why pay $10+ per ticket and food when I can download it for free at home and spend the money on food? The movie company could make a downlaodabe movie for like $10 and u can watch it anytime u like.... have cable compay push cheaper PPV and have the stuff on TV faster.

People are willing to pay for things as long as the price is reasonable and conivent.

[q0192837465]

Myabe they'r simply paying too much to these "artists". Ppl who make crappy music and still expect us to pay a fortune for their "work"? I dun think so. People will still buy, but are becoming more conscious. The way to make ppl pay is to offer things that are actually worth the money. Record companies say pirating is hurting their sales. How about u produce albums that ppl actually like enought to buy?

[Great68]

They need to update copyright laws so copyrights don't last so bloody long.

Shit, the biggest chunk of my music collection is 30-40 years old. Most of the artists have made their millions 10x over and are already dead by now.

And I shouldn't have to pay multiple times for the same media but in a different format.

Take Led Zeppelin I for example: I have it in Vinyl, and have it in CD. I should have to pay for it AGAIN just so I can legally play it on my MP3 player.

[Great68]

Damn button

[Nightwalker]

Or Mount and Blade. ( Check out Mount and Blade, awesome game for only $20 )

I thought I was the only person playing this lol.

[TheKingdom2000]

lol. why would you download porn there?

i thought that everyone streams their porn these days.

[PHRiSCo]

Jason00S2000 and the rest who oppose "piracy". I've been making video games for a decade now, and when someone downloads the latest game I worked on it cuts into my profits and bonuses. However, I will always support "piracy" or "try before you buy" until the industries change. Why?

The media + retail industry is largely broken.

Any developer of any media can make any garbage they want and sell it to the public at the same price as the next guy with little worries of consequence. If I go to Ikea, buy a coffee table, get home, open the box, and discover a broken leg. I can take it back for an exchange, credit, or refund. I bought LOST from Ubisoft for the XBOX360 a few months back out of the bargain bin at Superstore for $20. What a piece of shit, it's a fucking broken game, but can I put it back in the case and return it? NO. Why? Because they think I copied that piece of shit and am going to share it on the internet. I still buy everything that's worth buying, but if the opportunity presents itself I try before I buy, and because of all the shit out there I try alot more than I buy.

I just bought Planet Earth and Independence Day on Blu-Ray Saturday afternoon. I already own Planet Earth on HD-DVD and Independence Day on DVD. Why did I buy them again? Because Planet Earth is awesome and Independence Day is awesome. (No I don't want to have an argument on whether or not Independence Day is a good movie or not because although it's not on the Oprah book club list or there's no oscar worthy performances the movie as a whole is as perfect as a movie can get. Explosions, Nuclear explosions, F-18 dogfights, space chases, aliens, guns, Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, President Laura Roslin, lots of running and screaming, the list can go on it's fucking great...)<end rant>

Jason00S2000, If I paid for some of your porn, I'm sure there would be some that I wouldn't like, can I return it to you for a full refund? No. I already paid for it, too bad so sad for me. Well fuck that. It's a business that caters to the people, quality or not, that make the movies, games, music, or porn. So fuck the industries until something changes. If I like something, I'll buy it, but I have to try it first 'cause I can't take it back if it sucks, and most of it does.

I think the government should crack down on scalping tickets. So these ticket businesses around Vancouver are buying Canucks tickets at face value then reselling them to the public at 100%+ mark up, then in the newspaper they say they're providing a valuable service to the public. Wassat? Say again? Wheres the fucking service!? Leave it at ticketmaster, let me buy my tickets online and print them off my printer, for half off the cost, thats better service to me.

The Pirate Bay, Isohunt, and all the other torrent trackers are the ones really doing a valuable service to the public.

[twitchyzero]

Jason00S2000, If I paid for some of your porn, I'm sure there would be some that I wouldn't like, can I return it to you for a full refund? No. I already paid for it, too bad so sad for me. Well fuck that. It's a business that caters to the people, quality or not, that make the movies, games, music, or porn. So fuck the industries until something changes. If I like something, I'll buy it, but I have to try it first 'cause I can't take it back if it sucks, and most of it does.

QFT!

You cant return a car, but you can try it out and test its limits before committing.

I'd say less than 1/2 of the games these days offer demo...and even at that demo isn't always representative of the full game. The only thing we can turn to is to rent games..but that's already close to 20% of the actual cost of the game.

I'd never buy a blu-ray if I've never seen the movie before.

[PHRiSCo]

I'd say less than 1/2 of the games these days offer demo...and even at that demo isn't always representative of the full game.

Yeah I've worked on lots of demos for games, for me they were usually 4-6 months before the game was complete. Although if you like the demo generally the final game is better. Another thing I buy is all of Monoliths games. The last one they released was FEAR 2: Project Origin. I bought that one for the PS3, I love it.

[Jason00S2000]

I thought I was the only person playing this lol.


Fun, hard, and great game!


I got wiped out by a 800+ army attacking my castle with only 70 Swadian knights. We killed like 700 of them though and I smoked like 2 joints during the battle. It was great!

[Jason00S2000]

Jason00S2000 and the rest who oppose "piracy". I've been making video games for a decade now, and when someone downloads the latest game I worked on it cuts into my profits and bonuses. However, I will always support "piracy" or "try before you buy" until the industries change. Why?

The media + retail industry is largely broken.

Any developer of any media can make any garbage they want and sell it to the public at the same price as the next guy with little worries of consequence. If I go to Ikea, buy a coffee table, get home, open the box, and discover a broken leg. I can take it back for an exchange, credit, or refund. I bought LOST from Ubisoft for the XBOX360 a few months back out of the bargain bin at Superstore for $20. What a piece of shit, it's a fucking broken game, but can I put it back in the case and return it? NO. Why? Because they think I copied that piece of shit and am going to share it on the internet. I still buy everything that's worth buying, but if the opportunity presents itself I try before I buy, and because of all the shit out there I try alot more than I buy.

I just bought Planet Earth and Independence Day on Blu-Ray Saturday afternoon. I already own Planet Earth on HD-DVD and Independence Day on DVD. Why did I buy them again? Because Planet Earth is awesome and Independence Day is awesome. (No I don't want to have an argument on whether or not Independence Day is a good movie or not because although it's not on the Oprah book club list or there's no oscar worthy performances the movie as a whole is as perfect as a movie can get. Explosions, Nuclear explosions, F-18 dogfights, space chases, aliens, guns, Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, President Laura Roslin, lots of running and screaming, the list can go on it's fucking great...)<end rant>

Jason00S2000, If I paid for some of your porn, I'm sure there would be some that I wouldn't like, can I return it to you for a full refund? No. I already paid for it, too bad so sad for me. Well fuck that. It's a business that caters to the people, quality or not, that make the movies, games, music, or porn. So fuck the industries until something changes. If I like something, I'll buy it, but I have to try it first 'cause I can't take it back if it sucks, and most of it does.

I think the government should crack down on scalping tickets. So these ticket businesses around Vancouver are buying Canucks tickets at face value then reselling them to the public at 100%+ mark up, then in the newspaper they say they're providing a valuable service to the public. Wassat? Say again? Wheres the fucking service!? Leave it at ticketmaster, let me buy my tickets online and print them off my printer, for half off the cost, thats better service to me.

The Pirate Bay, Isohunt, and all the other torrent trackers are the ones really doing a valuable service to the public.



Interesting.


So, say you pay for a BMW.


$50,000.

Then you realize you don't like the way the seatbelts feel. Can you take back the seatbelts and demand they change it or cut $2,000 off of what you paid?


How about if I buy some of your software, and I find that I don't like how it runs and I want half my money back, but intend to continue using it?


Or, if I pay $100 for a hockey ticket, and I find that between the periods I'm bored. Can I demand $10 back for each set of boring time between periods?


If I watch a 3 hour movie and pay $10, and I judge that I didn't like 1 hour of the movie, am I entitled to 1/3rd of my money back?


If I goto a restaurant, and I order a burger and fries, and I just eat the burger and the fries are soggy, am I entitled to half my money back?



If I like something, I'll buy it, but I have to try it first 'cause I can't take it back if it sucks, and most of it does.


YES BUT YOU ARE BEING ENTERTAINED IN THE PROCESS.


Can you not read reviews before purchasing something?


The fact of the matter is that it is stealing. You are entertaining yourself with someone else's hard work and for the most part people like you don't pay for this entertainment. Then the justify it to themselves and the world with "Well this aspect about it sucks so I won't buy it" meanwhile they sat through the entire 2 hour movie, or listened to the whole CD, or played through the entire game, or jerked off to it two or more times...


People these days just believe they are entitled to everything.


Pirates are acting and sounding very marxist with their beliefs.

[Jason00S2000]

QFT!

You cant return a car, but you can try it out and test its limits before committing.

I'd say less than 1/2 of the games these days offer demo...and even at that demo isn't always representative of the full game. The only thing we can turn to is to rent games..but that's already close to 20% of the actual cost of the game.

I'd never buy a blu-ray if I've never seen the movie before.



Tell me, what is the benefit to buying a game over just stealing it for free via torrent?

[hotjoint]

As long as shit is free, the majority of people are going to download it "illegally". And no matter how many sites they shut down there will always be another way to get it for free.

[hotjoint]

Tell me, what is the benefit to buying a game over just stealing it for free via torrent?

some people buy the music for the artwork, book, inlay, all that good shit, some of us just want to product. Same goes for games, they want the case and manual etc. Some of us just need the game. If I can get something for free and not have to pay then I'm going to choose to get it for free. ;)

[q0192837465]

I was thinking. Why r they trying to shut down these torrent sites? If they really want to kill torrents, would it be better to shut down sponsors instead? Like if it's illegal to sponsor torrent sites, I'm sure a majority of those sites will be gone in no time. But if they just shut down torrent sites directly, new ones r gonna emerge cuz there's money to be made. But then u'll have public outcry about government interfering with the free market. Hahaha.

[The7even]

Jason, you're a self righteous zealot when it concerns you and your interests. I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.

Furthermore I am willing to bet my money that you have downloaded movies your self. Whether they were porn or otherwise, you did it and you still do it.
Why? Because you might be a douche bag but you're not stupid. It's free and you will grab it.

Thanks for coming out.

[hotjoint]

Jason, you're a self righteous zealot when it concerns you and your interests. I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.

Furthermore I am willing to bet my money that you have downloaded movies your self. Whether they were porn or otherwise, you did it and you still do it.
Why? Because you might be a douche bag but you're not stupid. It's free and you will grab it.

Thanks for coming out.


:lol

[Jason00S2000]

Jason, you're a self righteous zealot when it concerns you and your interests. I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.

Furthermore I am willing to bet my money that you have downloaded movies your self. Whether they were porn or otherwise, you did it and you still do it.
Why? Because you might be a douche bag but you're not stupid. It's free and you will grab it.

Thanks for coming out.


Why would I download movies I want to see when Future Shop is 3 blocks away?


Why would you call someone who pays for things stupid?


I guess I'm stupid for buying media. Oops.


I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.


People put serious work into producing things that other people feel entitled to, for free.

[feelthesunrise]

piracy will always be around no matter how many sites or programs they shut down. this fight has been an on-going thing for decades whether it was bootlegged CD/VCD/DVD or the newer age with MP3, AVI or ISO.

you're not changing anyone's minds here. people that have been downloading will continue to download. even though people download, it certainly does not mean that they don't ever put money back into the industries that they 'stole' from.

if you like paying for everything whether the product was good or bad, then good on you. i just think that the consensus is the majority of people are sick of paying for things that they don't enjoy and are sick of feeling ripped off with an inferior product.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Jason, you're a self righteous zealot when it concerns you and your interests. I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.

Furthermore I am willing to bet my money that you have downloaded movies your self. Whether they were porn or otherwise, you did it and you still do it.
Why? Because you might be a douche bag but you're not stupid. It's free and you will grab it.

Thanks for coming out.

+1 Jason is is getting mad coz he profit is being cut :D :D :D Btw Jason I have download over 5000+ GB of movies, music, games and software. I will contiune to download free stuff.

[Jason00S2000]

the majority of people are sick of paying for things that they don't enjoy and are sick of feeling ripped off with an inferior product.



Don't the majority of things in life require that you pay first before you use them?

There are a few possible exceptions from that. There are also ways to dispute inferior service/shoddy craftsmanship that allow for the artist or craftsman to negotiate a lower rate for, say, a tile floor that doesn't live up to expectations, or to come back and re-do the section or whatever that upsets the customer.


The trouble with digital media is that you still get to enjoy a 2 hour movie and be entertained for those 2 hours, but when you decide it wasn't "good enough" to buy, you still viewed the movie. Your money isn't paying depending on whether it was good or not, it's paying for the time you are being entertained for. If you watch 5 minutes of it and turn it off, take the movie back to the store!


It is awfully Marxist of people to demand that artists work for free, or work once and not collect royalties or comissions based on showings of digitally recorded media/performances/movies/art/what-have-you.


I understand the need to preview things, but the vast majority of pirates out there never will buy even the products they enjoy. How can you compete with free?


The vast majority of pirates also never create or accomplish anything themselves, and feel they are a part of some grand revolution to stick it to "the man".


Fuck I had a lot of coffee this morning!

[Jason00S2000]

+1 Jason is is getting mad coz he profit is being cut :D :D :D Btw Jason I have download over 5000+ GB of movies, music, games and software. I will contiune to download free stuff.


Why are you proud of this?

[flagella]

sad

[Noir]

What's the difference between my ownership of a DVD and CD and loaning it to my friends who wish to see it vs things like Napster, Torrent, etc.

Is it just the volume and scale of it? Or is there a difference in principle?


Pirates are acting and sounding very marxist with their beliefs.

Wow! An ultra-capitalist anti-establishmentarian. You just keep on surprising me. :lol

[Meowjin]

:lol:

[Jason00S2000]

Wow! An ultra-capitalist anti-establishmentarian. You just keep on surprising me. :lol



http://www.politicalcompass.org/



I wonder if you could guess where I am on that scale?

[feelthesunrise]

Don't the majority of things in life require that you pay first before you use them?
yes, but those majority of things also allow for you to get a full refund after a full trial of usage. you can refund a screwdriver set, you can refund a laptop or computer at future shop no questions asked, but you cannot refund media. you're only allowed exchanges for the same item correct?

as for something non-materialistic like a showing or screening, i do see your point that regardless if we liked it or not, we still watched it. honestly speaking though, we've all seen movies at the theaters or at home (rent or download) where we wished we can just have our two hours back, nevermind the money we had to pay to waste those two hours.

i'd like to add more to this but i don't see a point. your fight is mostly for the movie industry while i'm more familiar with the music industry. i will say that piracy has certainly done some good for some of the music industry and it's consumers.

[FiveDime]

Why would I download movies I want to see when Future Shop is 3 blocks away?


Why would you call someone who pays for things stupid?


I guess I'm stupid for buying media. Oops.


I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.


People put serious work into producing things that other people feel entitled to, for free.


Yes answer his response with more questions...

Your argument has been slipping downhill even since your second post. Hypocrite!

[Mr.HappySilp]

Jason still have haven't the question: Have you ever download a game, move, song ,software illegally>

[Jason00S2000]

Jason still have haven't the question: Have you ever download a game, move, song ,software illegally>


Yes, of course, I had no money and I wanted free shit.

[Jason00S2000]

honestly speaking though, we've all seen movies at the theaters or at home (rent or download) where we wished we can just have our two hours back, nevermind the money we had to pay to waste those two hours.


I have walked out of movies, and shut shitty DVDs off. I've never wanted my money back. Should have I wanted it back?


I see a lot of people claiming that media should be on a donations-basis.


I may actually give that a try in adult, where one of my projects that is due for release end of this summer, may be a donation-only site. Free for all, pay by donation if you like it. If people like it, and it gets big traffic, I should expect to get paid for it. ( One would hope )

[Jason00S2000]

I bet if you weren't in the business of producing movies you wouldn't be so passionate about piracy.


Of course not. Think Christopher Reeves would care much about stem cell research if he wasn't in a wheel chair?


I realize that the current system doesn't work, and I realize piracy will not go away. I am educating myself as much as possible on both viewpoints to help myself figure out methods to profit the greatest out of the change that is ongoing in the internet distribution model of media.


Adapt or die