[matrixfwd]

Looks like prestigious private schools aren't just for the higher class. I can picture racial tension growing from non asian parents of the school.

source (http://www.theprovince.com/murdered+parents+with+gang+ties+kids+West+Point+Gr ey+Academy/1512907/story.html)

By Lena Sin, Canwest News ServiceApril 19, 2009 5:04 PMComments (10)

VANCOUVER — Parents and staff at a prestigious Vancouver school were shocked to learn about the criminal activities of a parent who was murdered in Richmond last week.

Betty Tung Sze Yan — whose three children attend West Point Grey Academy — was killed Wednesday in what appears to have been a targeted hit.

The private school is now grappling with both the death and disclosure that Yan had connections to the criminal underworld and a conviction for criminal harassment connected to a loansharking business she operated in B.C. casinos.

Adding to concerns is that this is the second parent at the school with ties to Asian organized crime to be murdered in less than two years.

Helen James, whose son went on playdates with Yan's son, said she was upset to learn how connected Yan was to criminal activity.

James, a lawyer, said she's relieved by her decision to take her son out of the school last year.

"I'm very relieved that I've taken my kid out of that school last September now that this is the second link to gang activity," she said. "I was very upset to learn Betty Yan was so connected (to crime) . . . I was particularly upset when I realized that Betty had hosted the end-of-year party and that all the parents, the children and their siblings had gone."

James said she was among the parents who went to Yan's Richmond home for the end-of-year school party in June 2008 for children in kindergarten.

"We all went and were amazed at how beautiful the house was and how opulent it was," said the mother.

Another parent at the school who did not want to be named said she's scared for her children's safety.

"This is the second time. Don't they investigate people's backgrounds?" asked the parent.

She added that she notified the school about Yan's background last year.

Clive Austin, the headmaster of West Point Grey Academy, said counsellors have been brought in to help students and staff cope.

"Obviously the school has put the concerns of the students first and foremost and the welfare of their safety," said Austin. "We've had counsellors come in for the students and staff as well. Yes, we are taking tremendous responsibility as far as I am concerned in this area and making sure we're putting the welfare of the community first. Obviously we are very concerned for the children and how they feel about it."

Austin would not comment on whether security is being heightened at the school in the wake of Yan's murder.

In November 2007, Hong Chao "Raymond" Huang was shot dead in front of his mansion in Vancouver's Shaughnessy neighbourhood.

Huang, 45, was "well-connected" to the notorious Big Circle Boys, an Asian organized gang, according to a police source.

Huang's daughter, who found her father and called 911, was a student at West Point Grey Academy.

The Integrated Homicide Investigation Team is now investigating Yan's murder.

Cpl. Dale Carr, spokesman for IHIT, said police have spoken to Yan's husband.

West Point Grey Academy has about 900 students, with tuition fees between $8,400 to $12,400 a year. For international students, fees go as high as $21,000.

The prestigious school is routinely ranked by the Fraser Institute, a private think-tank, as one of B.C.'s top performing schools and Justin Trudeau, the eldest son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau, is a former teacher.

[KingDeeCee]

Wow....does it scare parents that much that the parents are affiliated with gangs? There's at least one kid in any school that are the kids of a gang affiliated parent. Aren't Private school kids more aggressive and prone to gang violence than regular kids?

[RFlush]

I was reading about Betty's death in The Province and it said that Betty would often use her children as shields when she thought that there was a hit on her.

Glad she is dead.

[ASG111]

Infiltration at its finest. Gangsters want their kids smart.

Wow....does it scare parents that much that the parents are affiliated with gangs? There's at least one kid in any school that are the kids of a gang affiliated parent. Aren't Private school kids more aggressive and prone to gang violence than regular kids?

Being affiliated with gang members is never a good thing. You wouldn't want your kids going to a gangsters home and then having to worry when the door's going to get blasted with guns and knives out with a massacre to follow...

[ASG111]

I was reading about Betty's death in The Province and it said that Betty would often use her children as shields when she thought that there was a hit on her.

Glad she is dead.

I read that too. I wonder how she actually use her children as shields, rather vague in the article and would want more details.

[Drow]

i thought she used her kids as in her underlings, not her real kids rofl

[taylor192]

These private schools with high tuition are dominated by Asian students whose parents can afford it and value education. Lets face it, a few rich families (any race/background) got rich by making illegal deals, gang related or not. Every private school is going to have a couple kids from families that are involved in criminal activity. To think otherwise is to live in a bubble.

[ynot-llat]

I was reading about Betty's death in The Province and it said that Betty would often use her children as shields when she thought that there was a hit on her.

Glad she is dead.

you're a sheep. do you really believe everything the media tells you?

[twitchyzero]

how come this prestigeous school is always in the media?

[AVS_Racing]

BOOOo HOOOO lol like everyone who rolls around in a 100k car, does legit things to buy it

[RFlush]

you're a sheep. do you really believe everything the media tells you?

So please educate us then on what really happen, it seems like you know so much about the life of Betty Tung Sze Yan. Is she even really dead? I don't know, I never saw the body, only heard about it through the media :rolleyes:

[Preemo]

^ I think what he means is to keep an open mind.

[Ludepower]

you're a sheep. do you really believe everything the media tells you?

You're a typical media basher...I bet you investigate every issue and know all the answers right? Did you even read the article?

That allegation about her using kids as a human shield was a quote from police officers who personally know her rap sheet....not the media.

[Harvey Specter]

"James, a lawyer, said she's relieved by her decision to take her son out of the school last year."

Right bitch, like you're so innocent yourself. It's people in your profession who also profit from gangsters.

[twitchyzero]

^ irrational generalization much?

[Ludepower]

Being affiliated with gang members is never a good thing. You wouldn't want your kids going to a gangsters home and then having to worry when the door's going to get blasted with guns and knives out with a massacre to follow...

STFU you paranoid loser...obviously you dont wanna be affiliated with gangsters but chances of innocent shootings is super rare.

Dont drive your kids around in cars...more likely to get killed in a car accident.

[Harvey Specter]

^ irrational generalization much?

Yeah, I shouldn't generalize all lawyers. I just find it odd that parents would pull their kids out of school and you don't need to be a gangster to have enemies.

[Aetios]

If you can afford the best, why not get the best, that includes your children's education, regardless of how you made your money.

[PiuYi]

I was reading about Betty's death in The Province and it said that Betty would often use her children as shields when she thought that there was a hit on her.

Glad she is dead.

do you hav a link? i wonder how the province got its info, or how the source even knows, since using kids as human shields is a thing that'll only happen in a blink of an eye when they think they're being shot at or sth...
pretty hard thing to prove i think

[StylinRed]

Wow....does it scare parents that much that the parents are affiliated with gangs? There's at least one kid in any school that are the kids of a gang affiliated parent. Aren't Private school kids more aggressive and prone to gang violence than regular kids?

yeah i know... my cousins and a lot of their classmates went to South Island Secondary in Hong Kong (one of the $$$ schools there) and a good portion of them have parents who are known gangsters or or who themselves became gangsters

same with here, a lot of girls ive met who went to private schools have dads who are gangsters; im sure we've all met these types before

i just think parents, moms especially, love to go "omg i won't stand up for this shit! How can something like this be going on?!" when its brought out in the open even though they knew about it beforehand



do you hav a link? i wonder how the province got its info, or how the source even knows, since using kids as human shields is a thing that'll only happen in a blink of an eye when they think they're being shot at or sth...
pretty hard thing to prove i think

they probably say the parents are using their kids as shields because their parents bring their kids out with them, especially if there's a known conflict going on and the parents still bring their kids along

more of an accusation then anything else... unless they've actually seen these parents pull their kids in front of them while they're being shot at; just bs used to get the populace to hate them

[Aetios]

I just had this funny image of Betty walking around with one of her kids strapped to her chest and another on her back.

[impactX]

Why are they so scared? Public school is just as bad.

[pandalove]

Why are they so scared? Public school is just as bad.

public school is just full of wanna be gonna be prankstas
private school is where the dai lo's send their kids to school becuz they got the money to do it

[butter_sashimi]

If you intend to make a hit, having their kid there as a meat shield shouldn't matter. It's not like they are covering their vitals with the child's body 24/7. If you can assassinate a world leader in public, this can be done.

[jonwon]

she doesnt fucking use her kids as shields. stfu all of you

[Iceman-19]

lol, i like how everyone is getting so worked up and defending some broad they dont even know.

[ericthehalfbee]

Who cares about some accusations about using her kids as shields?

The bottom line is she's dead. And I'm glad she's dead - she got what she deserved. We need a lot more of these, IMO.

[hotjoint]

like i said in the other thread, she had it coming

[Noir]

Hahahahahaha. OMG!

I can't believe the lot of you actually think the police meant Betty Yan was using here kids as bulletproof vests.

Couldn't you guys have come to the conclusion that what it meant was that by maintaining the presence of her kids closeby, she hopes to discourage or thwart any attempts to her safety?

[taylor192]

Couldn't you guys have come to the conclusion that what it meant was that by maintaining the presence of her kids closeby, she hopes to discourage or thwart any attempts to her safety?
Don't you know that's the definition of a human shield?

[LemonH2O]

One less gangster on the streets...but 3 kids left without a mother, not that she didn't have it coming.

[SkinnyPupp]

More and more it seems like these shootings are the best thing that could happen for Vancouver. As long as nobody innocent is getting hurt, I say let them weed each other out!

[Noir]

Don't you know that's the definition of a human shield?

Yes I do, but do you think everything is meant to be taken literally? Or are some people incapable of being spoken to figuratively?

[ilvtofu]

I wonder if her kids are on revscene

[hk20000]

keep shooting I'll buy their nice cars off repo.com [/sacrasm]

[StylinRed]

More and more it seems like these shootings are the best thing that could happen for Vancouver. As long as nobody innocent is getting hurt, I say let them weed each other out!

a lot of innocents have been killed though as was lightly touched upon by the media; due to mistaken identity or being in the wrong place at the wrong time








we can probably merge this with the shootings thread now

[q0192837465]

A large portion of "rich" ppl make their fortune thru illegal means. When ur "business" is aimed for rich ppl, u'll have businesses from criminals. Is this really so hard to understand?

[SpuGen]

I wonder if her kids are on revscene

Her kids are in kindergarten.

[jonwon]

lol, i like how everyone is getting so worked up and defending some broad they dont even know.

richmond isnt a large city...

[Meowjin]

richmond isnt a large city...

so did you know her personally?

[pandalove]

whoever that does not know her and are arguing whether she used her kids as human shields are idiots and should get a life

[jonwon]

friend of a friend. I just think people should be more respectful and not say such remarks like, "glad shes dead", "she had it coming", etc.

[Teriyaki]

friend of a friend. I just think people should be more respectful and not say such remarks like, "glad shes dead", "she had it coming", etc.

Agreed. Deserved or not its still going to have repercussions on family and friends. :(

[RFlush]

She was a criminal was she not? Kid's shields or not, if she was a criminal then that's one less of them on the streets. Glad she's dead.

[Iceman-19]

richmond isnt a large city...

No you are right, its a close community of 50 or so people.

[Iceman-19]

She was a loan shark, preyed on peoples addictions for her own gain. Fuck her, good riddence.

[SkinnyPupp]

friend of a friend. I just think people should be more respectful and not say such remarks like, "glad shes dead", "she had it coming", etc.
Why? Did she respect any of the people who suffered because of her criminal acts? No?

Fuck her. Glad she's dead. Hope her husband joins her sooner rather than later. Their kids might actually have a chance at living a normal, productive life.

[Chuck Norris]

People complain about anything they can complain about.

People love to complain about anything they can.

The irony is, I know so many chicks who say gang stuff is so wrong but then they are all eating up that shit when some gang banger buys them a Gucci bag. Then all of a sudden they turn a blind eye or say "you don't know the full story" type shit.

Face it, gang violence is a part of life anywhere in the world, and somewhere like Vancouver, it's going to be a larger part of society.

Besides, a lot of the people in private school are like Marco911 so maybe someone like that would get blasted in the early grades and save the world from perpetual retardation.

[HOTSHOTKEN]

Wow, there's a lot of really ignorant people on here. This is how I see it, since I came from a private school background and yes, will plan (er... try to afford to?) to send my daughter to one of these schools once she is old enough.

- As a mother, she left her children vulnerable for the rest of their lives; these kids will face ridicule and scorn wherever they go where people recognize or remember their history. The stigma doesn't come off easily. I feel sorry for these kids.
- As a "business" person, she had it coming. Either she was going to get busted for illegal activity or, as in this case, shot dead. Good riddance? Maybe in the sense of one less suspected criminal off the streets, but dead? No. A human life is valuable, otherwise we'd all be killing each other without remorse for anything we felt wasn't done "right". Shame on those of you who would think otherwise. Go shake your head and think about it if not for yourselves but for your fellow species.
- As for the human shield issue, I agree with one other poster about the possibility that Betty kept close to her kids to thwart or remove attempts to take her life. I highly doubt as a parent, she would intentionally put them in harm's way to save herself. Was her strategy sound or effective? Most likely not, but I'd think twice about her being "evil" and labelling her kids as her "collateral". (She didn't bring her kids out to the warehouse the night she died). Like many, she probably thought there may have been a "code" or sense of chivalry in her dark criminal world. Alas, that's not true anymore these days.

Bottom line, I'm conflicted and confused by all this but I wouldn't be so quick to judge her or come to conclusions about the type of person she is/was.

BTW, has anyone noticed any mention of her husband and/or the father of the children?

[Sid Vicious]

Wow, there's a lot of really ignorant people on here. This is how I see it, since I came from a private school background and yes, will plan (er... try to afford to?) to send my daughter to one of these schools once she is old enough.

- As a mother, she left her children vulnerable for the rest of their lives; these kids will face ridicule and scorn wherever they go where people recognize or remember their history. The stigma doesn't come off easily. I feel sorry for these kids.
- As a "business" person, she had it coming. Either she was going to get busted for illegal activity or, as in this case, shot dead. Good riddance? Maybe in the sense of one less suspected criminal off the streets, but dead? No. A human life is valuable, otherwise we'd all be killing each other without remorse for anything we felt wasn't done "right". Shame on those of you who would think otherwise. Go shake your head and think about it if not for yourselves but for your fellow species.
- As for the human shield issue, I agree with one other poster about the possibility that Betty kept close to her kids to thwart or remove attempts to take her life. I highly doubt as a parent, she would intentionally put them in harm's way to save herself. Was her strategy sound or effective? Most likely not, but I'd think twice about her being "evil" and labelling her kids as her "collateral". (She didn't bring her kids out to the warehouse the night she died). Like many, she probably thought there may have been a "code" or sense of chivalry in her dark criminal world. Alas, that's not true anymore these days.

Bottom line, I'm conflicted and confused by all this but I wouldn't be so quick to judge her or come to conclusions about the type of person she is/was.

BTW, has anyone noticed any mention of her husband and/or the father of the children?

Yea i'm sure people in the future are going to point at her kids, recognize them and be like OH HEY YOUR PARENTS WERE MURDERED AND WERE MEMBERS OF ORGANIZED CRIME HAHA LETS STIGMATIZE YOU

and you reap what you sow, i'm glad more of these dumbasses are shooting each other

[jonwon]

Face it, gang violence is a part of life anywhere in the world, and somewhere like Vancouver, it's going to be a larger part of society.


Couldn't have said it any better myself, the world is corrupt. People do what they have to do to survive, just some people choose a different path than others.

[MelonBoy]

lol.. using your kid as a shield ...

[dna82]

glad she's dead

[Noir]

Couldn't have said it any better myself, the world is corrupt. People do what they have to do to survive, just some people choose a different path than others.

So what are you implying? That because it exists everywhere, then it IS acceptable?

[Chuck Norris]

So what are you implying? That because it exists everywhere, then it IS acceptable?

Love it or hate it, you cannot change it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for perfection but there is no way to eliminate criminal activity.

You can kick and scream, talk to your MP, write into the newspaper, become a police officer etc. You're never going to get rid of it.

Any port city is likely to become an area with increased criminal activity. Regular cities all have some element of crime or criminal activity.

Society is not and never will be perfect.

Tougher laws may curb some criminal activity but typically all it does it make the crime game worth more money due to the increased risk.

I personally don't like crime but I'm aware of how the world works. Just an FYI, there are people in police, hospitals, and in public office who are criminals as well so they aren't any better or any more likely to curb the problem.

I understand what you're saying but that's just not a reality that will exist as long as humans are human.

[ericthehalfbee]

Treu we can't eliminate crime.

But that doesn't lessen the joy I feel at seeing someone get what they deserve after fucking up and destroying so many other people's lives.

[GordonTse]

read the province article..

[SpuGen]

i don't know the deceased personally.. but wtf is so bad about a loan shark? it's good business. loaning money to broke bums at casino's doesn't seem really gangster to me.. but i know it's organized crime. but not worth taking a life? kill the loan shark, don't have to pay back? hmm..

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[Noir]

Love it or hate it, you cannot change it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for perfection but there is no way to eliminate criminal activity.

You can kick and scream, talk to your MP, write into the newspaper, become a police officer etc. You're never going to get rid of it.

Any port city is likely to become an area with increased criminal activity. Regular cities all have some element of crime or criminal activity.

Society is not and never will be perfect.

Tougher laws may curb some criminal activity but typically all it does it make the crime game worth more money due to the increased risk.

I personally don't like crime but I'm aware of how the world works. Just an FYI, there are people in police, hospitals, and in public office who are criminals as well so they aren't any better or any more likely to curb the problem.

I understand what you're saying but that's just not a reality that will exist as long as humans are human.


Question still stands:
So what that crime exists, and will always exist. Does that make it acceptable? Should we then become apathetic?

[Hot Karl]

there are a lot of bleeding heart idiots here.

she's a fucking career criminal. just because she had a fucking vagina and 2 kids doesn't change the fact that she's was a hardcore criminal with seriously high up ties with gangs and the chinese government.

the only reason this fucking piece of shit wasn't deported years ago was because she was essentially a snitch. once again, fuck her.

**everyone else. look at gordontse's now edited post and the next post that actually quoted his pre-edit. that's a lesson to all you tards. try to at least read the thread and the documented things before you spout off like a typical RS kid.

[El Bastardo]

I want this thread to go to Fight Club so badly....