[DDauge]

Have you guys saw the news of some french company trying to auction the Imeprial Qing dynasty stamp that they robbed from China during the invasion?

What shameless people...how would the french feel if the Chinese goes into france and rob the french museum and then auctions the crown of king Louis?

I guess thats why the Chinese people don't feel guilty making counterfeit LVs and crap...since what the french people have done to China is far worse..at least the Chinese didn't invade french and go robbing the LV factory.


For those who didn't know what disgraceful the pirates from the west are, see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Protocol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

foreigners in Beijing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Foreign_armies_in_Beijing_during_Boxer_Rebell ion.jpg

news of frenchman selling Chinese artifacts from a while back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/ysl-art-auction-chinese-g_n_169153.html

[Meowjin]

You're a fucking moron.

[Manic!]

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/g/e/geely_ge_limo_2_main_630-0424-630x360.jpg

[DDauge]

You're a fucking moron.

lol wtf...

[Jingwu3]

You're a fucking moron.

^this is exactly the reason why China doesn't want freedom of speech..to prevent idiots like you from posting.

Heck, have you ever posted anything thats constructive? or all you have in your limited list of vocab are Fxxx..Mxxx...you name it

[Sandman]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/rushhour3.gif

[Eastwood]

Wait its a french guy, not the country. Hell if the artifact belongs to him, no matter how he got it, isn't he entitled to sell it?

I'm just saying if I had some artifact that was worth money, I would sell it.

[silk]

we lost in a war, they entitled the possession.
It's a shame other country is selling our goods, but its history, the winner deserves every bits and pieces.

It's fair game, I'm just hoping they dont whine and cry when things go the other way.

[DDauge]

Wait its a french guy, not the country. Hell if the artifact belongs to him, no matter how he got it, isn't he entitled to sell it?

I'm just saying if I had some artifact that was worth money, I would sell it.


But u see it wasn't just one french guy, the entire france amry invaded China back then..and stormed and looted the Imperial Palace. Hence whatever Chinese artifacts they have are in fact stolen...and selling stolen goods are technically ilegal. Same as someone robs an ipod and tries selling it on craiglist. Ilegal.

[silk]

But u see it wasn't just one french guy, the entire france amry invaded China back then..and stormed and looted the Imperial Palace. Hence whatever Chinese artifacts they have are in fact stolen...and selling stolen goods are technically ilegal. Same as someone robs an ipod and tries selling it on craiglist. Ilegal.

I support your concept, but new regulation/rules/moral does not applied to history.

As much I love China/Taiwan, I am pretty sure we have learned our lesson and reinforce in renovated heritage buildings.
Move on man, it makes us look like "illman of asia" if we kept complaining.

[DDauge]

I support your concept, but new regulation/rules/moral does not applied to history.

As much I love China/Taiwan, I am pretty sure we have learned our lesson and reinforce in renovated heritage buildings.
Move on man, it makes us look like "illman of asia" if we kept complaining.


Nah I'm not whining. I am just trying to show how ridiculous it is when the french got so angry that Chinese people are making fake LVs, when in fact the wrong they done to China and still doing are much worse.

Keep in mind though, copy right law is a western concept, more ever, it is more of a civil matter rather than moral matter..for alot of people, taking other people's concept is learning, not stealing.

Think about the follow scenario. a white guy goes to Japan and learn how to make sushi..he then returns to canada and starts a Japanese resturant and sells sushi. Can Japan sue him for stealing Japanese culture and profiting at a loss of authentic Japanese chef? No becuase it isn't protected.

So on a simliar regard, who decides what to be protected and what not to be protected?
it's okay for a westerner to sell "Japanese" sushi and damaging the sales of authentic Japanese returants because its not copyright protected, but it is not okay for a Chinese guy to sell "fake LV" and damaging french bag makers...
both acts are of the same nature, but one is protected and another is not. Therefore the situation is more of a civil matter than a moral one.

Why should the french expect Chinese to follow copy right laws, when in fact what they are doing are exactly the same in the eyes of Chinese but cannot be punished?

Counterfeiting will still continue as long as the west still hasn't paid back its debt.

[Noir]

But u see it wasn't just one french guy, the entire france amry invaded China back then..and stormed and looted the Imperial Palace. Hence whatever Chinese artifacts they have are in fact stolen...and selling stolen goods are technically ilegal. Same as someone robs an ipod and tries selling it on craiglist. Ilegal.

YOU ARE A MORON!!!

If it was just that simple, then let's just undo 2000 years worth of history. I'm sure there are more atrocities out there dating further back that are far more deserving to be undone.

[achiam]

Wait its a french guy, not the country. Hell if the artifact belongs to him, no matter how he got it, isn't he entitled to sell it?

I'm just saying if I had some artifact that was worth money, I would sell it.

The line of ownership by law depends on if it was legally obtained.
For example, if you unknowingly purchased a car that had fake VINs and was in fact stolen or had a lien, it would be repossessed from you and returned to its rightful owner - you would not be compensated by anyone as ignorance is not legally admissible.

It is for this same reason that Art collections are currently being returned to Jewish families from Nazi seizures during WW2, as well as Russian art and treasures being returned to Russia which were plundered from Imperialist palaces in St Petersburg by advancing Nazis.

Legally then, the artifacts were stolen during War, which by today's standards would be War Crimes.

How it plays out in the courts will be a fight between lawyers.

[Noir]

^^^ Then theoritcally speaking we should all pack our bags and go back home to europe, asia, etc, and give back Canada to the natives. This is why DDgauge's POV is flawed.

[orange7]

^^^ Then theoritcally speaking we should all pack our bags and go back home to europe, asia, etc, and give back Canada to the natives. This is why DDgauge's POV is flawed.

ya.. it's stupid since it's the history. I just don't understand why natives keep on wanting lifetime compensation. I mean, it's history so let just it be.

[DDauge]

YOU ARE A MORON!!!

If it was just that simple, then let's just undo 2000 years worth of history. I'm sure there are more atrocities out there dating further back that are far more deserving to be undone.

I think before you reduce yourself to name calling, you should first learn how to read.

I never said history can be undone...I am simply pointing out the irony in it.

If reading is such a difficult task for you, I'm put it in a simpler way.

It is ironic that its okay for the french to steal and rob from China before, but not okay for Chinese to steal and rob from french now.

Keep in mind what happens today will be history tomorrow..by your standard,
its okay to commit crime, since it will all be history after a hundred years, so let it be?

While my POV is by no means perfect, your POV is even more flawed.

[Noir]

I think before you reduce yourself to name calling, you should first learn how to read.

I never said history can be undone...I am simply pointing out the irony in it.

If reading is such a difficult task for you, I'm put it in a simpler way.

It is ironic that its okay for the french to steal and rob from China before, but not okay for Chinese to steal and rob from french now.

Keep in mind what happens today will be history tomorrow..by your standard,
its okay to commit crime, since it will all be history after a hundred years, so let it be?

While my POV is by no means perfect, your POV is even more flawed.


No, it is you who needs to learn to read.

1. You original post by no means was limiting itself to pointing out the irony of the situation. You were calling out audacity of the situation.

2. As per your the Faux-LV example, who stands to profit from counterfeit Louis Vuittons? Definitely not France.

3. You're a retard, plain and simple. That is why your POV's and ideals will never come to fruition.

[ZhangFei]

in other news....

the british museum still holds precious egyptian artifacts looted from the pyramids.

[murd0c]

Shit happens live with it. People worry too much about what happened in the past these days and it drives me crazy!!

[RenoMan]

this just in....

we are still living on the native's lands

[MegaMx]

How dare you f**king sell your house and land when your ancestors robbed it from the Natives..

Get a life, the french have every right to auction it off. If I had enough money I'd buy it and burn the stamp just to spite you.

[FiveDime]

pwned

[Gt-R R34]

History is written by the Victors.


DDauge, your view is so very flawed.

[Eastwood]

ya.. it's stupid since it's the history. I just don't understand why natives keep on wanting lifetime compensation. I mean, it's history so let just it be.
Because their lazy and would rather be given a welfare check instead of earning it.

[bengy]

Nah I'm not whining. I am just trying to show how ridiculous it is when the french got so angry that Chinese people are making fake LVs, when in fact the wrong they done to China and still doing are much worse.


You're an idiot.

That's what justifies counterfeiting LV and other name brands? Ha! What a poor excuse. It's more like the average Chinese can't afford LV or Gucci. Or that Chinese can't come up with anything better.

Oh and the French and anyone else who buys authentic designer clothes get mad because some cheap Chinese fuck wearing some knockoff is just making it look cheap.

[Synaptik]

just let it go brah, the day will come when china rules the world and these french fuckers will be begging for us to take the artifacts back ;)

[monkeywrench]

fight club fight club!

[JackyJai]

Some of you people have very poor history about this.
It was like some one go into your house, beat the shit out of you, rob you and proudly sell your belongings, but happened between countries.

[JackyJai]

just let it go brah, the day will come when china rules the world and these french fuckers will be begging for us to take the artifacts back ;)

The french fuckers almost shit in thier pants when there was a rumour about Chinese will cancel their air bus order.

[StylinRed]

this threads full of win; i think i got blocked from thanking ;)

[ienhz]

They should keep the artifacts or else French children might think surrendering has been a long-standing tradition of the French.

[Manic!]

The french fuckers almost shit in thier pants when there was a rumour about Chinese will cancel their air bus order.

Then I bet China will start making counterfeit ones.

[impactX]

Some of you people have very poor history about this.
It was like some one go into your house, beat the shit out of you, rob you and proudly sell your belongings, but happened between countries.

Except the "country" that got robbed does not exist anymore. I am glad that the French got it, otherwise, the Communist Government would have destroyed it.

[JackyJai]

Except the "country" that got robbed does not exist anymore. I am glad that the French got it, otherwise, the Communist Government would have destroyed it.

It's like saying even if you didn't got robbed, you would still spend the money anways.
So there is nothing wrong with the robbery.

[misteranswer]

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[JackyJai]

Then I bet China will start making counterfeit ones.
You might want to take a deeper look in China.
They didn't make it to one of the wealthiest country (No5. gold reserve in the world) and No.1 bond holder of America just by selling counterfeits.

[Meowjin]

It's like saying even if you didn't got robbed, you would still spend the money anways.
So there is nothing wrong with the robbery.

wow way to miss the entire point.

[Noir]

deleted.

[rsx]

all this POV talk.....spankwire it is.

PS. Let it be, as they say "to the Victor go the spoils."
PPS. We all see the irony in the logic, but if China wants to deal with repatriating stolen treasures they will proceed appropriately.

[twitchyzero]

OP's trying to redeem his name since that jackie chan thread got locked up.

i'd say he's failing again with his narrow-minded views.

this just in....

we are still living on the native's lands
HAHA!

[ZhangFei]

Some of you people have very poor history about this.
It was like some one go into your house, beat the shit out of you, rob you and proudly sell your belongings, but happened between countries.

Canada did that to the Natives.

[StylinRed]

many many countries want their artifacts back but bitching and whining at collectors like children isn't gonna get these items back

really the only person who has claim to the emperors items are his descendants but the commies and kuomintang made sure that the majority of them are dead

[Manic!]

You might want to take a deeper look in China.
They didn't make it to one of the wealthiest country (No5. gold reserve in the world) and No.1 bond holder of America just by selling counterfeits.

No they did it by whoring out there workers to multi nationals at low prices.

[91LS-VTak]

China lost the war. Deal with the consequences. But don't worry, you guys conquered Tibet. You can be proud of that:thumbsup:

[impactX]

Except the "country" that got robbed does not exist anymore. I am glad that the French got it, otherwise, the Communist Government would have destroyed it.


It's like saying even if you didn't got robbed, you would still spend the money anways.
So there is nothing wrong with the robbery.

Please read what I said again, then read:

1) The artifacts belonged to the Qing Dynasty, not the country of "People's Republic of China" that we see today.
2) Puyi was the last emperor of the Qing Dynasty.
3) Puyi then became the ruler of Manchukuo, a puppet state of Japan.
4) If anything, Japan should have the right to claim the artifacts since they owned Puyi, the real owner of the artifacts.


At the end, Qing lost more than the artifacts because of its arrogance and incompetence. Why does it matter now?

The ironic thing is, if you were in China, making the very same statement about the artifacts during the reign of Mao in the Cultural Revolution, you would be sent to labor camps and be tortured to death.

[impactX]

China lost the war. Deal with the consequences. But don't worry, you guys conquered Tibet. You can be proud of that:thumbsup:

China didn't conquer Tibet.

[ZhangFei]

Please read what I said again, then read:

1) The artifacts belonged to the Qing Dynasty, not the country of "People's Republic of China" that we see today.
2) Puyi was the last emperor of the Qing Dynasty.
3) Puyi then became the ruler of Manchukuo, a puppet state of Japan.
4) If anything, Japan should have the right to claim the artifacts since they owned Puyi, the real owner of the artifacts.


At the end, Qing lost more than the artifacts because of its arrogance and incompetence. Why does it matter now?

The ironic thing is, if you were in China, making the very same statement about the artifacts during the reign of Mao in the Cultural Revolution, you would be sent to labor camps and be tortured to death.

yeah but its part of CHINESE history, despite whoever was ruling China at the time. The Chinese still have those ming dynasty vases etc because its a monument to our culture.

[ctsport]

^this is exactly the reason why China doesn't want freedom of speech..to prevent idiots like you from posting.

Heck, have you ever posted anything thats constructive? or all you have in your limited list of vocab are Fxxx..Mxxx...you name it

Meh, this is Revscene, don't expect intelligent responses to any topic remotely serious or relevant to reality because 80%+ of RS members just don't have that capacity LOL. :cry: :D

[DDauge]

Meh, this is Revscene, don't expect intelligent responses to any topic remotely serious or relevant to reality because 80%+ of RS members just don't have that capacity LOL. :cry: :D

just what I thought..

[tool001]

But u see it wasn't just one french guy, the entire france amry invaded China back then..and stormed and looted the Imperial Palace. Hence whatever Chinese artifacts they have are in fact stolen...and selling stolen goods are technically ilegal. Same as someone robs an ipod and tries selling it on craiglist. Ilegal.

give back tibet! and ill buy these artifcats and give them to u, personally

[wouwou]

give back tibet! and ill buy these artifcats and give them to u, personally

time wise, shouldnt you buy back the artifacts and return them, THEN the Chinese government give back Tibet?

Good luck making 20 million Euros :haha:

[wouwou]

China lost the war. Deal with the consequences. But don't worry, you guys conquered Tibet. You can be proud of that:thumbsup:

Well according to France last month, Tibet belongs to China.

"France fully recognizes the importance and sensitivity of the Tibet issue and reaffirms its adherence to the one-China policy and the position that Tibet is an integral part of the Chinese territory, in accordance with the decision made by General Charles de Gaulle, which has not changed and will remain unchanged. Based on this spirit and the principle of non-interference in each other's internal affairs, France refuses to support any form of "Tibet independence".

and the Chinese people is very grateful at the Americans, who started the recession or what not :haha:

[tool001]

time wise, shouldnt you buy back the artifacts and return them, THEN the Chinese government give back Tibet?

Good luck making 20 million Euros :haha:

read between the linese,, it aint gonna happen. :haha:

[wouwou]

read between the linese,, it aint gonna happen. :haha:

I know, I am just saying for the sake of saying it.

The thread is way to good for time killing to pass it on.

[ZhangFei]

just what I thought..

No DDauge. Taiwan is guilty of stealing precious Chinese artifacts from the mainland too!!

shame on you!!

[MegaMx]

just let it go brah, the day will come when china rules the world and these french fuckers will be begging for us to take the artifacts back ;)
r-tard

[LethalLaw]

They should keep the artifacts or else French children might think surrendering has been a long-standing tradition of the French.

hahahah i lol'd

[wouwou]

No DDauge. Taiwan is guilty of stealing precious Chinese artifacts from the mainland too!!

shame on you!!

As much As I love China, I will have to agree that had they not take the artifacts away 60 years ago, they would have been destroyed during that cultural revolution thing.

[rsx]

morons, everyone steals from everyone. Like others have said, if you feel so strongly about these artifacts, get off this land because it belongs to the Aboriginal..same diff, but on a bigger scale.

[wouwou]

morons, everyone steals from everyone. Like others have said, if you feel so strongly about these artifacts, get off this land because it belongs to the Aboriginal..same diff, but on a bigger scale.

Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that the French did not apologize for what they did, unlike Canada or Australia who did.

I guess I was wrong.

[sulos]

Nah I'm not whining. I am just trying to show how ridiculous it is when the french got so angry that Chinese people are making fake LVs, when in fact the wrong they done to China and still doing are much worse.

Keep in mind though, copy right law is a western concept, more ever, it is more of a civil matter rather than moral matter..for alot of people, taking other people's concept is learning, not stealing.

Think about the follow scenario. a white guy goes to Japan and learn how to make sushi..he then returns to canada and starts a Japanese resturant and sells sushi. Can Japan sue him for stealing Japanese culture and profiting at a loss of authentic Japanese chef? No becuase it isn't protected.

So on a simliar regard, who decides what to be protected and what not to be protected?
it's okay for a westerner to sell "Japanese" sushi and damaging the sales of authentic Japanese returants because its not copyright protected, but it is not okay for a Chinese guy to sell "fake LV" and damaging french bag makers...
both acts are of the same nature, but one is protected and another is not. Therefore the situation is more of a civil matter than a moral one.

Why should the french expect Chinese to follow copy right laws, when in fact what they are doing are exactly the same in the eyes of Chinese but cannot be punished?

Counterfeiting will still continue as long as the west still hasn't paid back its debt.

that makes no sense, stop eat sandwiches because the chinese didn't invent those.

debt? why don't you go back to china since it is such a great place and stop crying on the internet.

[DDauge]

that makes no sense, stop eat sandwiches because the chinese didn't invent those.

debt? why don't you go back to china since it is such a great place and stop crying on the internet.

what's your point?

nobody's crying on the net, I'm only pointing out the irony of it. And mind you I am not even from China.

if this post is too deep for you to understand, feel free to go on to other "NWS" or youtube threads and quit writting trash here.

[Graeme S]

The more you complain about the unchangable injustices of the past, the less you can think about and act towards the future.

[Ferra]

The line of ownership by law depends on if it was legally obtained.
For example, if you unknowingly purchased a car that had fake VINs and was in fact stolen or had a lien, it would be repossessed from you and returned to its rightful owner - you would not be compensated by anyone as ignorance is not legally admissible.

It is for this same reason that Art collections are currently being returned to Jewish families from Nazi seizures during WW2, as well as Russian art and treasures being returned to Russia which were plundered from Imperialist palaces in St Petersburg by advancing Nazis.

Legally then, the artifacts were stolen during War, which by today's standards would be War Crimes.

How it plays out in the courts will be a fight between lawyers.
All this laws and stuffs only applies if there is a higher power. When it is against 2 large countries, law means shit. It will just come down to who has the bigger gun.
heck, look at US invasion of iraq. it was illegal but who's gonna do anything about it.

[Synaptik]

r-tard

let me guess; youre not chinese? :cry: more

[gnu5]

How dare you f**king sell your house and land when your ancestors robbed it from the Natives..

Get a life, the french have every right to auction it off. If I had enough money I'd buy it and burn the stamp just to spite you.
uhh im just guessing, but i think the stamp they are talking about, is a type of seal used as a signature....not a postage stamp.....

[dna82]

Have you guys saw the news of some french company trying to auction the Imeprial Qing dynasty stamp that they robbed from China during the invasion?

What shameless people...how would the french feel if the Chinese goes into france and rob the french museum and then auctions the crown of king Louis?

I guess thats why the Chinese people don't feel guilty making counterfeit LVs and crap...since what the french people have done to China is far worse..at least the Chinese didn't invade french and go robbing the LV factory.


For those who didn't know what disgraceful the pirates from the west are, see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Protocol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

foreigners in Beijing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Foreign_armies_in_Beijing_during_Boxer_Rebell ion.jpg

news of frenchman selling Chinese artifacts from a while back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/ysl-art-auction-chinese-g_n_169153.html


you, are a tool.
you are the reason why people have a general animosity towards China.

[bing]

we lost in a war, they entitled the possession.
It's a shame other country is selling our goods, but its history, the winner deserves every bits and pieces.

It's fair game, I'm just hoping they dont whine and cry when things go the other way.

fair? a war?
right... get your facts straight buddy.

china wanted nothing to do with any other country, so these 8 nations forced their way in. its common knowledge among chinese people.

[m!chael]

Nah I'm not whining. I am just trying to show how ridiculous it is when the french got so angry that Chinese people are making fake LVs, when in fact the wrong they done to China and still doing are much worse.

Keep in mind though, copy right law is a western concept, more ever, it is more of a civil matter rather than moral matter..for alot of people, taking other people's concept is learning, not stealing.

Think about the follow scenario. a white guy goes to Japan and learn how to make sushi..he then returns to canada and starts a Japanese resturant and sells sushi. Can Japan sue him for stealing Japanese culture and profiting at a loss of authentic Japanese chef? No becuase it isn't protected.

So on a simliar regard, who decides what to be protected and what not to be protected?
it's okay for a westerner to sell "Japanese" sushi and damaging the sales of authentic Japanese returants because its not copyright protected, but it is not okay for a Chinese guy to sell "fake LV" and damaging french bag makers...
both acts are of the same nature, but one is protected and another is not. Therefore the situation is more of a civil matter than a moral one.

Why should the french expect Chinese to follow copy right laws, when in fact what they are doing are exactly the same in the eyes of Chinese but cannot be punished?

Counterfeiting will still continue as long as the west still hasn't paid back its debt.

LOLLLLLL
What if that debt is in bonds and it matures in 10 years. In your stupid logic basically the bank would be able to take my computer because my parents haven't paid off their 25 year mortgage

[vancitylove]

No DDauge. Taiwan is guilty of stealing precious Chinese artifacts from the mainland too!!

shame on you!!

what are you talking about. china is keeping its valuables in its american protected province. it's got a whole american fleet protecting it. how much safer can it be?

[StylinRed]

heck, look at US invasion of iraq. it was illegal but who's gonna do anything about it.

they looted a shit load of artifacts too

[asahai69]

LOL. if the french army invaded you and actually won. then u don't deserve to keep anything.

[wouwou]

LOL. if the french army invaded you and actually won. then u don't deserve to keep anything.

actually, its a joint invasion by 8 countries.

If the French Army did invaded and won by themselves, I dont think anyone would be complaining lol

[El Bastardo]

Originally posted by DDauge

I guess thats why the Chinese people don't feel guilty making counterfeit LVs and crap...since what the french people have done to China is far worse..at least the Chinese didn't invade french and go robbing the LV factory.



Didn't I already have this argument with you? The Chinese counterfeiters are stealing INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY from someone else. They are taking someone else's artistic talent, their design, their advertisement and promotion, their brand. Their hard fucking work and selling it as their own.

Not only are they spitting in the face of everyone involved in that project from the logo designers to the people hired to make commercials but they're also cheapening the product by creating sub-standard copies that some people may believe is the real thing.


I'm not saying taking artifacts during pillaging is any less awful and deplorable, I'm saying that they're different fucking arguments