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A UN commission hoping to agree new maritime boundaries looks set to pit China against some of its neighbours.
China claims that a series of island chains in the South China Sea are part of its sovereign territory - but so do several other countries.
Most coastal states have to submit declarations on where they see their boundaries by 13 May.
A total of 48 nations have made full claims, and dozens more have made preliminary submissions.
"This is the sweep after which the maritime limits should be fixed... the final big adaptation of the world map," Harald Brekke, vice-chairman of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, told Reuters news agency.
Under existing laws, a nation is allowed to exploit the resources on the seabed up to 200 nautical miles from its shoreline.
But some nations are able to extend their claims as a result of their landmasses - or continental shelf - extending into the sea.
But the exact limits of who can use what have not been put on an internationally agreed map - until now.
"We are seeing many overlapping submissions," Mr Brekke said...
But perhaps one of the most complicated areas to resolve is who owns what in the South China Sea, with China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia and Malaysia all having competing claims.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu says the country has indisputable sovereignty over disputed South China Sea islands.
He says this jurisdiction also extends to what is below the seabed - which is important because the South China Sea has valuable oil and gas reserves.
China has recently become more assertive in pushing its territorial claims in the area, according to the BBC's Michael Bristow in Beijing.
It has formally told the UN not to consider a similar claim from Vietnam.
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wow that's pr-e-tty far from the shoreline there, China....
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Originally Posted by hk20000  wow that's pr-e-tty far from the shoreline there, China.... | It makes more sense if the disputed islands are ceded to the Chinese.
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Originally Posted by Blinky It makes more sense if the disputed islands are ceded to the Chinese. | why? they're clearly closer to the other countries.
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Wow, so pretty much Malaysia can't even send out a boat from most of their shore line. Bunch of assholes
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why not ? US has Military Bases around the world anyways....
They think they are the shit, ruler of the world
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Originally Posted by hk20000 wow that's pr-e-tty far from the shoreline there, China.... | The reason that China has claim over that sea area further off its homeland is because there are these islands in the South China Sea that are historically Chinese islands. There has been Chinese jurisdiction over these islands for thousands of years. Similiar to the US which has claim on the sea area near Hawaii..which is much further off US homeland
the US has military base in Korea, Guam island, Hawaii and in Okinawa...
even in Germany and Saudi Arabia.
Thats way more further than the US homeland.
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are there military bases on those islands?
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Do I sense another Chinese thread  Quote:
Originally Posted by silk why not ? US has Military Bases around the world anyways.... | Quote:
Originally Posted by DDauge The reason that China has claim over that sea area further off its homeland is because there are these islands in the South China Sea that are historically Chinese islands. There has been Chinese jurisdiction over these islands for thousands of years. Similiar to the US which has claim on the sea area near Hawaii..which is much further off US homeland
the US has military base in Korea, Guam island, Hawaii and in Okinawa...
even in Germany and Saudi Arabia.
Thats way more further than the US homeland. | ROFLcakes @ the ignorance.
Hawaii = undisputably part of US territory.
Guam = US possession
Military base =/= territorial possession with accompanying territorial rights. Bases are there via agreement.
These islands = disputed claim (I have no idea of the details around the claims). Quote: |
why? they're clearly closer to the other countries.
| I agree. However, I can see why the claim would be made and why it could be advanced further through the Chinese claim to the islands.
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Originally Posted by Blinky Do I sense another Chinese thread
ROFLcakes @ the ignorance.
Hawaii = undisputably part of US territory.
Guam = US possession
Military base =/= territorial possession with accompanying territorial rights. Bases are there via agreement.
These islands = disputed claim (I have no idea of the details around the claims).
I agree. However, I can see why the claim would be made and why it could be advanced further through the Chinese claim to the islands. |
China has claims over these islands because there has always been military and naval bases on those islands by the Chinese trending back thousands of years. However the largest island of them all, the Tai-Ping island is currently controlled by the Republic of China (Taiwan) military and is under Taiwan's jurisdiction, and PRC China and ROC China (Taiwan) are still trying to resolve their soverenty problems, and that gave the south east asian countries a chance to grab the islands while China and Taiwan are still in dispute.
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Originally Posted by DDauge The reason that China has claim over that sea area further off its homeland is because there are these islands in the South China Sea that are historically Chinese islands. There has been Chinese jurisdiction over these islands for thousands of years. Similiar to the US which has claim on the sea area near Hawaii..which is much further off US homeland
the US has military base in Korea, Guam island, Hawaii and in Okinawa...
even in Germany and Saudi Arabia.
Thats way more further than the US homeland. | Sorry, flawed argument.
History is history. You're talking about something that occured thousands of years ago by a totally different gov't.
If you truly believe in their claim, then I guess UK can still claim 40% of Africa the other 40% for France..and most of South America is still under Spain.
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero Sorry, flawed argument.
History is history. You're talking about something that occured thousands of years ago by a totally different gov't.
If you truly believe in their claim, then I guess UK can still claim 40% of Africa the other 40% for France..and most of South America is still under Spain. | pwned.
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero Sorry, flawed argument.
History is history. You're talking about something that occured thousands of years ago by a totally different gov't.
If you truly believe in their claim, then I guess UK can still claim 40% of Africa the other 40% for France..and most of South America is still under Spain. |
The difference is, China still control over half of those islands. And no point telling me this, I am just telling you why China is claiming these islands.
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Originally Posted by DDauge The reason that China has claim over that sea area further off its homeland is because there are these islands in the South China Sea that are historically Chinese islands. There has been Chinese jurisdiction over these islands for thousands of years. Similiar to the US which has claim on the sea area near Hawaii..which is much further off US homeland
the US has military base in Korea, Guam island, Hawaii and in Okinawa...
even in Germany and Saudi Arabia.
Thats way more further than the US homeland. | and you know what the wierd thing is? South Korea, Guam, Hawaii, and Okinawa; are great fuckin places to live.
likewise, Tibet and North Korea are shit places.
Get the drift?
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i was wondering what argument the chinalovers would make, i see most of them kept out of the thread but the ones that ventured in.. wow.. once ancient historical claim and comparing us military bases to ownership? lol
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You know, we could always fight over it.
Billions of people vs coalition of billions of people. Lets see who wins.
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People don't bother reading before they reply.
Every other island on that map is also trying to get a much bigger boundary than the 200 mile line, only China is marked for what they want.
If you read the fine lines in the article, every country has their right to 200 miles of exclusive marine boundary. Look at where all the disputed islands are, if they are disputed, it could be every countries right to mark that country theirs and create a marine boundary around the disputed islands, that's exactly what China did
It also mentioned in the article that the bigger nations are able to extend their boundary because of their land mass.
By the way DNA, you should really be quiet. This isn't a place you belong. Reading your comments equals failure of any Asian related knowledge.
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Originally Posted by fetched People don't bother reading before they reply.
Every other island on that map is also trying to get a much bigger boundary than the 200 mile line, only China is marked for what they want.
If you read the fine lines in the article, every country has their right to 200 miles of exclusive marine boundary. Look at where all the disputed islands are, if they are disputed, it could be every countries right to mark that country theirs and create a marine boundary around the disputed islands, that's exactly what China did
It also mentioned in the article that the bigger nations are able to extend their boundary because of their land mass.
By the way DNA, you should really be quiet. This isn't a place you belong. Reading your comments equals failure of any Asian related knowledge. | oh, my reply wasn't to the article, it was about ddauge's comment, you should practice what you preach and read my replies carefully.
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Of course i was reading what you said. I said that you have no Asian related knowledge because you referred Tibet as a shit place. Maybe, just maybe you should listen to someone that's actually been there and tell you it's not. Like me. It doesn't have nice hotels, it isn't developed, but the untouched habitat is a different kind of enjoyment than Hawaii per say
And yes, your free to make a fool out of yourself anytime you feel like.
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what Blinky said " Do I sense another Chinese thread "
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Originally Posted by fetched Of course i was reading what you said. I said that you have no Asian related knowledge because you referred Tibet as a shit place. Maybe, just maybe you should listen to someone that's actually been there and tell you it's not. Like me. It doesn't have nice hotels, it isn't developed, but the untouched habitat is a different kind of enjoyment than Hawaii per say
And yes, your free to make a fool out of yourself anytime you feel like. | anyplace which doesn't guarantee your basic rights is a shit place, therefor, Tibet falls into the 'shit' category. Is it that difficult for you to see?
or does having nice scenery and a good hotel make for a wonderful country?
oh oh oh! here comes the 'work in progress' arguement!!!
comeback and talk to me when you've grown out of your ethnic pride phase.
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The whole philosophy behind human rights. It is much bigger than you and I.
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Originally Posted by fetched The whole philosophy behind human rights. It is much bigger than you and I. | please give a more vague answer, it makes you look smarter!
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Originally Posted by fetched People don't bother reading before they reply.
Every other island on that map is also trying to get a much bigger boundary than the 200 mile line, only China is marked for what they want.
If you read the fine lines in the article, every country has their right to 200 miles of exclusive marine boundary. Look at where all the disputed islands are, if they are disputed, it could be every countries right to mark that country theirs and create a marine boundary around the disputed islands, that's exactly what China did
It also mentioned in the article that the bigger nations are able to extend their boundary because of their land mass.
By the way DNA, you should really be quiet. This isn't a place you belong. Reading your comments equals failure of any Asian related knowledge. | yes but the China's current declaration is a lot more than the 200mile line which is the standard.... Those dotted islands look like they belong to Phillipines or Malaysia more than anything....
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Originally Posted by hk20000 yes but the China's current declaration is a lot more than the 200mile line which is the standard.... Those dotted islands look like they belong to Phillipines or Malaysia more than anything.... | nah, see those tiny tiny uninhabital islands in the center? they're saying their 200 nautical mile line is starting from them, not from the actual mainland.
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