[Harvey Specter]

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Speeders are the big targets this time around. ICBC's Nicolas Jimenez says police won't just be 'cherry picking' throughout the areas where people usually drive fast.

He says they'll be using information from ICBC to concentrate enforcement efforts where most accidents happen. "So we can really do intelligence-lead policing, and an intelligence-lead road safety programming."

Jimenez says if you're pulled over, don't pull that "why don't you go after real criminals" approach with the officer. He says with 151 people a year in B.C. killed because of speed, they're really trying to protect public safety.

Jimenez also says most people will admit they go 10 or 15 kilometres over the limit most of the time and think it's harmless. However he points out if you do 80 in a 50 zone, it will take you twice as long to stop. He also mentions speeding usually only gets you there a few minutes faster at most and just isn't worth the risk.

[slammer111]

I'm bored. ;)

He didn't mention how many people die from violent crime, murders, etc. which is probably not a small number either. Stats anyone?

Yes, it probably takes about twice as long to stop from 80 to 50 (in terms of energy dissipation from a physics standpoint), but i'm sure automotive technology now probably allows most modern cars to go 80-0 at probably about the same time as it took cars 30 years ago to go 50-0. And I'm sure modern brakes can handle a lot more heat before fading, which means that that cars will probably only take 60% longer (ie constant deceleration).

He's right, speeding short distances only saves a few minutes. Speeding on the highways on a long-distance trip on the other hand.. say you go 20 over for 5h. You now covered 100km more than before, which now saved you an hour on a typical 100km/h highway. Now if someone were to go 50 over.. ;)

I wonder what Van Dongen would say to all this.

On the flip side, hopefully they'll place traps where it's reasonable (say on Granville), as opposed to at the bottom of hills or right before steep climbs. I'll bet even cops speed in those areas regularly.

Instead of criminalizing 80% of drivers out there, maybe ICBC should do another speed survey and raise limits on the highways where appropriate. It's a joke how highways here are all 80-90 in the city, but as soon as you hit Washington it's 110. Anyone who's travelled east of Abbotsford on Highway 1 knows that the traffic FLOWS at 140. 50-60 in the city during the day is reasonable though imho.

[Wykydtron]

If you're doing 80 in a 50 zone you deserve to be pulled over. If your doing 60 in a 50 zone, probably not, or 120 in a 100 zone...probably not. I do know that radar is now usually set up on Highway 15 at about 48th ave. 80 speed limit....what a joke.

[Black SC2]

I've always wondered if their stats about speed related deaths are numbers that are speed only, or if they include people who are impaired and speeding. Not to say I am against pulling people over who are speeding, but I always question the numbers they throw around.

[taylor192]

He didn't mention how many people die from violent crime, murders, etc. which is probably not a small number either. Stats anyone?
It is a smaller number than 151.

On the flip side, hopefully they'll place traps where it's reasonable (say on Granville), as opposed to at the bottom of hills or right before steep climbs.
I've seen traps on King Edward lately, near the schools where you shouldn't be speeding... yet its too easy cause there's little traffic, 2 open lanes, few parked cars, and few distractions.

Instead of criminalizing 80% of drivers out there, maybe ICBC should do another speed survey and raise limits on the highways where appropriate. It's a joke how highways here are all 80-90 in the city, but as soon as you hit Washington it's 110. Anyone who's travelled east of Abbotsford on Highway 1 knows that the traffic FLOWS at 140. 50-60 in the city during the day is reasonable though imho.
The traps are going to be setup in the city "where the most accidents happen" which is near intersections. There are no intersections on highways.

While I agree limits should be increased, take a look at the US before you hail them. The limit is 75mph in some states, yet if you're doing 80 you're getting busted, and most traffic flows at 75 cause they know the state troopers give zero leniency. Here there's a 10-20 kmph buffer before you'll get a ticket, and many people drive 20-30 over cause they aren't afraid of the police having little leniency.

I drove across the entire US last fall, I can tell you that few people in the US do more than the speed limit. If you want 110 on highways like the US, be prepared to go 110 and no more.

[taylor192]

I've always wondered if their stats about speed related deaths are numbers that are speed only, or if they include people who are impaired and speeding. Not to say I am against pulling people over who are speeding, but I always question the numbers they throw around.

They include all traffic deaths, including street racing :D
Most are killed at red lights.

[johny]

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130)

Jimenez says if you're pulled over, don't pull that "why don't you go after real criminals" approach with the officer. He says with 151 people a year in B.C. killed because of speed, they're really trying to protect public safety.




148 of those people were probably impaired as well.

speed alone doesn't kill.


the other thing to mention is those stats are not only speed over the limit, but speed relative to conditions as well. if you are going 40km/h on the coq in the winter, and drive over the cliff, your cause of death will be speed relative to conditions and will count as one of those 151. even though you were doing under half the limit.

[q0192837465]

God, Speed does NOT kill; Stupidity does

[!Yaminashi]

God, Speed does NOT kill; Stupidity does

I think speeding goes hand in hand with stupidity
Do they plan on pulling everyone over? Cause nobody EVER goes the speed limit

[q0192837465]

I think speeding goes hand in hand with stupidity
Do they plan on pulling everyone over? Cause nobody EVER goes the speed limit

Do cops have a right to speed? If I follow the pace of a police car, and the police car is going over speed limit, will I be pulled over? I'd say yes but i dunno, it's kinda power tripping on the police's part as well.

[!Yaminashi]

Do cops have a right to speed? If I follow the pace of a police car, and the police car is going over speed limit, will I be pulled over? I'd say yes but i dunno, it's kinda power tripping on the police's part as well.

I'd say since 90% of motor vehicles on the road drive over the speed limit, thats not considered "speeding" in the eyes of a police officer.

Obviously it wouldnt make sense for them to pull you over for going 10 over when they are going 15 over the limit

When I say speeding I mean 30-40 km/h over

But of course the traditional definition of speeding is anything over the limit
This is just how I see it

[pandalove]

my problem is not that police are catching ppl that are speeding
its their damn attitude towards ppl that are speeding.. they come up to the car like they all boss and like u jsu commit a murder or some shit ... its agod damn speeding ticket have some fucking manners u power hungry assholes

[J-Chow]

it's a scare tactic. If the officer proves his/her point on speeding without the need to be aggressive, then at least they made an effort to make you think about why you were pulled over in the first place. All officers have their own personalities, and well of course, no one likes to be overly yelled at or power tripped over a speeding ticket ;)

They figured if they scare the shit outta you, it would make you think not to do it a second time.

Once spring/summer weather hits, you'll see tons of popo rollin around marked/unmarked with road blocks, road checks and speed traps everywhere.

My theory is just to stay with the flow of traffic. Even though sometimes, you have the odd asshats who drive exactly the speed limit on a 2 lane street with both of them blocking both lanes. :(

[Jackygor]

Speed doesn't kill, stupid people/decisions kill.

[richee]

the gov't has done a study in 2003 and recommended raising speed limits.
problem is, politicians are too pussy to go through with it given all the propaganda "speed kills" that ICBC has done for years
they don't want to be the one in office if fatality rates go up

here's a somewhat related story
http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Dongen+should+have+heeded+highway+speed+report+Cam paigner/1535681/story.html

"I told you so."

Ian Tootill couldn't help but utter those four little words Friday after news broke that B.C.'s top cop had lost his driver's licence for racking up too many speeding tickets.

"I sent him an e-mail. I don't have a lot of advice for him because he should've taken the advice before," said Tootill, co-founder of the group Safety by Education Not Speed (SENSE).

The "advice" Tootill is referring to is a 2003 report commissioned by the B.C. Liberal government that recommended raising the speed limit on many of the province's highways. Tootill couldn't help but wonder: Would John Van Dongen still be facing such stiff penalty had the B.C. government acted on its own report?

The solicitor-general made the admission Friday that his driver's licence has been suspended for four months following two incidents of excessive speeding.

Van Dongen, who lauded government efforts to crack down on aggressive driving, has given up responsibility for the Insurance Corporation of B.C. and the Office of the Superintendent of Motor Vehicles in light of the suspension.

"He's in a bit of a bind because really he's guilty not necessarily of bad driving, but he's probably guilty of hypocrisy," said Tootill.

"You can't go out and tell everybody you're going to have this crackdown on speeders . . . and know you're abusing the speed limit just like the common man."

Tootill argues that incorrectly posted speed limits are a danger, saying a highway designed for speeds of 150 km/h is more dangerous if the limit is 110 km/h.

The 2003 report, titled "Review and Analysis of Posted Speed Limits and Speed Limit Setting Practices in B.C.," recommended raising the speed limit on many of the province's freeways.

Yesterday, a spokesman for Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon said the B.C. Liberals have no plans to raise the speed limit.

Supt. Norm Gaumont, who heads the RCMP "E" division traffic services, is also against raising the speed limit, saying a combination of speed with other factors, such as weather or inattentive driving, is the problem.

Van Dongen, who is running in the riding of Abbotsford South, told reporters Friday that "I am not proud of my driving record."

[Volvo-brickster]

Anyone watch Global news on channel 11 last night with the film crew + cops on the sea to sky ?

Those 2 bikers they pulled over were 2 giant douchecunts lol. Freaking out on the cops like there is no tomorrow. I gotta give credit to the cop for being so restrained. I woulda made up some BS excuse and arrested his ass.

[taylor192]

Do cops have a right to speed?
Yes, but only when required. Their badge allows them to break certain laws to enforce others.

You on the other hand cannot break the law, even if you see a cop doing it.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

I think speeding goes hand in hand with stupidity
Do they plan on pulling everyone over? Cause nobody EVER goes the speed limit

sigh..... u look at germany, do they die thousands of ppl each day because of high speed limite?


driving down in the states is a breeze and makes much more sense. HIGHWAYYY means = faster kms

not some 80km/90km bullshit thru out Hwy no.1
wat the hell is that, might as well as lower even more....70km for the win than

120km should be the set limite for hwy

u look at barnet hwy, even gayer. 2 lanes, one for HOV. How the fuck are you suppose to pass people when there is a dumbass mofo driving below speed limite? oh gee i guess i gotta break the law now going into HOV than cut him off :rolleyes:

i wonna bitch about driving 50km in the city, but fine if everyone is gonna pansy out im gonna leave this one out of the topic
I can tolerate 50km in city, but fucking make the highway actually more of a highway, not a sloway.
50km city, 110km hwy. DONE

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

the gov't has done a study in 2003 and recommended raising speed limits.
problem is, politicians are too pussy to go through with it given all the propaganda "speed kills" that ICBC has done for years
they don't want to be the one in office if fatality rates go up

here's a somewhat related story
http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Dongen+should+have+heeded+highway+speed+report+Cam paigner/1535681/story.html

speed kills my fucking ass. as long as you aint doing 200km like some stupid moron, it aint killing shit. Not knowing how to drive, signal, and fucking merging kills yes. PLus not knowing how to park.

[BNR32_Coupe]

However he points out if you do 80 in a 50 zone, it will take you twice as long to stop.

yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan/van

flame on!

[og_greek]

I hate when traffic in the fast lane is slower than in the slow lane, on the highway.

GET OUT OF THE WAY!!! It is not your job to regulate the speed of traffic by going slow in the fast lane. Often times slower than the posted speed limit!!

I agree that highway traffic can accommodate higher speeds, and should be raised accordingly. But it's also relative to the driving conditions, as mentioned earlier. In summer, I can cruise on the highway at ~120 Km/h and be fine, but on the same highway in rain, obviously I drive slower, say 90-100 Km/h.

The limit should really be determined by conditions. Isn't that how Germany is? You won't get pulled over for doing 150 on a nice summer day, because conditions can accommodate that speed, but if you tried that on a rainy day, you would get pulled over?

[greendb7]

They're comparing some really stupid things
151 only sounds like a high number cuz it's a standalone number
so 151 people in about how many people in total in BC die each year?
that can't be compared to murders etc because a lot more people drive, than people who attempt murder
in order for those 2 to be comparable, lets say for example 80% of people in BC drive, then 80% of people in BC also have to attempt murder on a daily basis for the rate of 151 deaths in a year to be comparable to the amount of murders and crap
damn government is just throwing stupid numbers and shit out there

[124Y]

Speed itself doesn't kill. The 151 deaths are "speed-related" deaths, not "speed caused" deaths. It is the stupidity and poor judgment that kills. Speeding also decreases your overall time on the road and therefore, decreases the percentage of being involved in an accident. If you know your car's limit and you drive below that, I'm sure speed won't kill you. On a bright sunny day, driving 130km/h on a highway is not a big deal at all, especially at night when there is no one on the highway. On a rainy day, however, that's a different story.

I can hypothesize the majority of the 151 deaths occured when: they speed through busy streets (poor judgment), DUI + speeding, poor driving conditions (snow, rain, etc) + speeding, not knowing their car's limit and the car got out of control, etc.

[Nightwalker]

"Jimenez also says most people will admit they go 10 or 15 kilometres over the limit most of the time and think it's harmless. However he points out if you do 80 in a 50 zone, it will take you twice as long to stop."

80 in a 50 zone is 30 over the limit. Not really relevant to 10 or 15 over the limit.

lol, math fail!

[ericthehalfbee]

yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan/van

flame on!Bull fucking shit.

Gotta log off as I'm busy, but when I get back I'm going to show you just how fucking stupid your comment is.

BTW, this is the reason we have problems with speeders - it's idiots with sports cars or modified cars that think their car has limits that go well beyond the average car, when in fact you'd be lucky if your vehicle can perform a measly 20% better (discounting acceleration which is always significantly better).

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

why dont you fucking elaborate your theory than


how a massive 6 pot BBK with sticky performance tires will NOT fucking outperform a stupid van's 1800kg breaking distance with some shitty OEM all season

[jlo mein]

They're comparing some really stupid things
151 only sounds like a high number cuz it's a standalone number
so 151 people in about how many people in total in BC die each year?
that can't be compared to murders etc because a lot more people drive, than people who attempt murder
in order for those 2 to be comparable, lets say for example 80% of people in BC drive, then 80% of people in BC also have to attempt murder on a daily basis for the rate of 151 deaths in a year to be comparable to the amount of murders and crap
damn government is just throwing stupid numbers and shit out there

Keep in mind it is a lot easier for cops to pull over speeders who could accidentally kill versus trying to arrest a person who may commit a violent murder in the future (or track down someone who has already murdered).

[int36ra]

Bull fucking shit.

Gotta log off as I'm busy, but when I get back I'm going to show you just how fucking stupid your comment is.

BTW, this is the reason we have problems with speeders - it's idiots with sports cars or modified cars that think their car has limits that go well beyond the average car, when in fact you'd be lucky if your vehicle can perform a measly 20% better (discounting acceleration which is always significantly better).

04 Dodge Grand Caravan
60-0 mph 140 feet [http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2346.shtml]

09 Bmw M3
60-0 mph 105 feet [http://www.germancarzone.com/3-series/29250-edmunds-inside-line-2009-bmw-m3-long-term-test.html]

You're stopping 35 feet shorter in the M3 than in a Caravan.. in a situation that requires hard breaking, tell me that the "idiot" in the sports car doesn't have a better chance of hitting the car infront of them.

[Drift_Monkey]

thread is a few more posts awar from reaching fight club =).

[ericthehalfbee]

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

[TheSalesman]

I just drove to cali and vegas a few weeks ago. There were many people driving above the posted limit. Usuaully around 10-15mph over. Some areas were 85mph and there were a few people passing me. After 40+ hours of driving on the hwy, I got blocked out once by 2 slow cars. But other then that, they get out of the way. Much better traffic system down there. But the vegas strip was brutal.

[hk20000]

But they still radar gun you under Alderbridge on Knight...... I don't think that's informed at all hahaha.

[StylinRed]

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Speeders are the big targets this time around. ICBC's Nicolas Jimenez says police won't just be 'cherry picking' throughout the areas where people usually drive fast.

He says they'll be using information from ICBC to concentrate enforcement efforts where most accidents happen. "So we can really do intelligence-lead policing, and an intelligence-lead road safety programming."


you mean they never did that before?! wth

[BNR32_Coupe]

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

I want to know what made you think I was comparing a sports car speeding to an average car driving the limit? Please quote it, bold, size 7 font because I'm apparently blind or stupid.

I think if you sat down and thought it out before posting, you'd realize that evidently it's more logical to compare a speeding minivan to a speeding sports car. I'm not here to debate if speeding is safe or not. Basically my point was, should you choose to speed, you'll stop sooner in a sports car.

Next time before you reply to my posts, do these 3 simple things:
Stop. Think. Then post.

[Noizz]

:Popcorn

[Soundy]

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

You don't spend much time on the highway, do you? I see more MINIVANS and jacked-up PICKUPS going WAY higher over the speed limit, than anything else on the Abbotsford-Chilliwack stretch when I drive it for work.

You want to make a valid comparison, throw in the 80-0 for the '04 Caravan and a '99 F250 with 8" lift and oversized mud tires, cuz those redneck mofos and stressed soccer moms are the most lead-footed psychos on the road.

[bengy]

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.


Holy fuck you're an idiot. What, Caravan drivers don't speed? If you bother to read and then stop and think about what you've just read, go for a half hour break and then finally begin comprehending what just happened, you would realize that what everyone is saying is the fact a sports car that is speeding will stop quicker than a regular shitbox minivan that is speeding.

GG retard.

[CanadaGoose]

Speed limits need to be updated...this isn't the 80's anymore

It's written as one of the official guidelines governing appropriate speed limits that "the speed limit should feel fast to the majority of drivers, otherwise it is not an upper limit"

[CanadaGoose]

And keep this thread clean please.

Thank you

[SumAznGuy]

What everyone seems to forget is that those 60-0 distances are in best case senarios in the dry. How many cars on the road have tires that are properly inflated? How about tires that have decent tread? Or tires that are no 10 years old and all hard and cracked.

And then, keep in mind that some of the drivers on the road are older and have slower eye sight and slower reaction times.

The problem with increasing speed limits is that these drivers will take more distance to react to a situation, and their poorly maintained cars will take longer than a normal car to slow down.

Hell, in an emergency situation, going 120 km/h, the same corrola/caravan might not have the brakes to stop properly.

[hk20000]

There's the saying that speed limits are set for best fuel efficiency on the highway.... So whatever the year this number doesn't magically change unless suddenly air got thinner or average cars' aerodynamic improved drastically over the years.

A 1993 Mitsubishi Galant has Cd of 0.28 and a 2009 Mitsubishi Galant is well over Cd 0.30 so there has been arguably zero improvement in that department for your "average" car. So there is very little reason to up the speedlimit.

It's not the speed limit that people don't like, it's the bs excuses the media and the police like to use to justify ticketing you for speeding that is annoying. If the police department come out to say "yes we ticket you coz that's like.....free money" then it's probably less annoying to have them enforced.

In theory if you have wallet big enough the speed limits out there are no more than a suggestion in Canada. Unlike in Asia if you are 50+ km/h over you are handcuffed and thrown into the back of the police car and get license suspended for like a freaking year, and then you have your car impounded. I think we have it good already.

[wstce92]

The real reason they haven't increased the speed limit isn't because of braking distance or deaths or anything
It's because then they'd get less money from speeding tickets

[Mancini]

In theory if you have wallet big enough the speed limits out there are no more than a suggestion in Canada. Unlike in Asia if you are 50+ km/h over you are handcuffed and thrown into the back of the police car and get license suspended for like a freaking year, and then you have your car impounded. I think we have it good already.

A few tickets/year here and your BC license is in jeopardy.

And your Asia example sounds a lot like Ontario. Give it a few years and that mentality will keep moving west.

[q0192837465]

The real reason they haven't increased the speed limit isn't because of braking distance or deaths or anything
It's because then they'd get less money from speeding tickets

I totally agree. We have to realize that speed ticket is a source of revenue. And as a business, ur goal is to maximize revenue. Therefore, why would they do something that'll cause their revenue to go down. Money always comes first, human lifes r dsposable.

1 death is a tragic, 100 deaths is a statistic

[Poonpee]

What everyone seems to forget is that those 60-0 distances are in best case senarios in the dry. How many cars on the road have tires that are properly inflated? How about tires that have decent tread? Or tires that are no 10 years old and all hard and cracked.

And then, keep in mind that some of the drivers on the road are older and have slower eye sight and slower reaction times.

The problem with increasing speed limits is that these drivers will take more distance to react to a situation, and their poorly maintained cars will take longer than a normal car to slow down.

Hell, in an emergency situation, going 120 km/h, the same corrola/caravan might not have the brakes to stop properly.


Thats why we have 2 or more lanes on hwy. Plus its the driver's responsibility to keep their car well maintained, they shouldnt be on the road with their bold tires or worn out break pads.

[SumAznGuy]

Thats why we have 2 or more lanes on hwy. Plus its the driver's responsibility to keep their car well maintained, they shouldnt be on the road with their bold tires or worn out break pads.

Yes, but there are ytons of cars on the road that have no right to be on the road. How many people do you know that put 87 octane in the premium only cars cause it is cheaper?

Or people who do not do oil changes in their cars?

There are kids out there that save up all their money to buy their first car and can barely afford the gas and insurance. Do you think they can afford to buy new tires?

My femaie co-worker needed 1 new tire cause her old tire developed a blister. The shop tried to save her money by getting her a used tire. Well, upon close inspection, the tire was all hard and was starting to dry crack.

How many people know that a brand new tire only has a 6 year shelf life? After 6 years, even if there are lots of tread left, the tire should be replaced.

[Poonpee]

Yes, but there are ytons of cars on the road that have no right to be on the road. How many people do you know that put 87 octane in the premium only cars cause it is cheaper?

Or people who do not do oil changes in their cars?

There are kids out there that save up all their money to buy their first car and can barely afford the gas and insurance. Do you think they can afford to buy new tires?

My femaie co-worker needed 1 new tire cause her old tire developed a blister. The shop tried to save her money by getting her a used tire. Well, upon close inspection, the tire was all hard and was starting to dry crack.

How many people know that a brand new tire only has a 6 year shelf life? After 6 years, even if there are lots of tread left, the tire should be replaced.

Yes, i have seen them speeding as well but increasing or lowing the speed limit wont cause them to stay off the road. There should be a law that could suspend their license due to poorly maintainace.

As for you co worker she could stay on the slow lane or take the public transit.

[Mancini]

My femaie co-worker needed 1 new tire cause her old tire developed a blister. The shop tried to save her money by getting her a used tire. Well, upon close inspection, the tire was all hard and was starting to dry crack.


As for you co worker she could stay on the slow lane or take the public transit.

The coworker should put an appropriate tire on her car or not be driving it at all. The "slow lane" is not the place to relegate decrepit vehicles.

[Poonpee]

The coworker should put an appropriate tire on her car or not be driving it at all. The "slow lane" is not the place to relegate decrepit vehicles.

ofcuz i know that but wat i meant was thats the least thing she should do

[spenny]

I have no problem with it. I dont use a fancy radar detector to prevent me from getting speeding tickets, I just pay attention. Dont just look at the bumper of the car in front of you; look behind you, check all of your mirrors, look down the road, look up the streets you cross, look around at intersections, look in driveways. Pay attention to your surroundings and I bet you'll see that cop (usually pretty easy to spot; white crown vic, lights on roof, blue and red stripes) before he sees you. Then again if you drive like an asshole in a riced out car with a big fart can, you'll stand out like a sore thumb.

[BNR32_Coupe]

I have no problem with it. I dont use a fancy radar detector to prevent me from getting speeding tickets, I just pay attention. Dont just look at the bumper of the car in front of you; look behind you, check all of your mirrors, look down the road, look up the streets you cross, look around at intersections, look in driveways. Pay attention to your surroundings and I bet you'll see that cop (usually pretty easy to spot; white crown vic, lights on roof, blue and red stripes) before he sees you. Then again if you drive like an asshole in a riced out car with a big fart can, you'll stand out like a sore thumb.

if you speed without a radar detector and get away with it, you're not going fast enough. granny shifting, not double clutching like you should

[slammer111]

I have no problem with it. I dont use a fancy radar detector to prevent me from getting speeding tickets, I just pay attention. Dont just look at the bumper of the car in front of you; look behind you, check all of your mirrors, look down the road, look up the streets you cross, look around at intersections, look in driveways. Pay attention to your surroundings and I bet you'll see that cop (usually pretty easy to spot; white crown vic, lights on roof, blue and red stripes) before he sees you. Then again if you drive like an asshole in a riced out car with a big fart can, you'll stand out like a sore thumb.What really gets me is that when you're speeding along and going with the flow of traffic, half my attention is diverted towards looking for cops instead of paying attention to other cars. In those situations, going the speed limit is no better because then I'm constantly watching my rearview mirror. Been rear-ended before and it sucks.

And I'm not sure how going 120 on a straight stretch of highway 1 (in Langley/Abbotsford) is "more dangerous" than going 120 on the nice twisty Coquihalla, especially at night when there's no traffic. Those tickets are a joke.

According to the province they're focusing more on "booze and belts" for this campaign, which I completely agree with. Speed limits aren't going to do jack if the driver's plastered.