[Supafly]

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[taylor192]

Repost.

[billboa]

repost and a half.

[Supafly]

okok...repost it is. ...

[TOPEC]

i like
now someone do that to the bikers arnd here.

[The_AK]

does it make me a bad person if i laughed at that picture?

[billboa]

i see u switched the pic....................

[MegaMx]

does it make me a bad person if i laughed at that picture?

yes, absolutely

[Farfetched]

So how many Critical Mass threads are there now?

[q0192837465]

Well, we can co-exist w/ cyclists, but not cyclists who'r trying to impede traffic on purpose. Kill them, KILL THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[B-DiZzLe]

Isn't there some sort of law that is against causing traffic purposely? I mean i'm sure some dude with road rage (half of RS) would run over these pricks. It's only a matter of time before someone gets fed up and runs them over.

[taylor192]

Isn't there some sort of law that is against causing traffic purposely? I mean i'm sure some dude with road rage (half of RS) would run over these pricks. It's only a matter of time before someone gets fed up and runs them over.
There's no law against too many cars causing traffic.

When I used to have a full sized Dodge Ram with a push bar I'd be thinking the same thing about all the smaller cars around me. :evil

[B-DiZzLe]

There's no law against too many cars causing traffic.

When I used to have a full sized Dodge Ram with a push bar I'd be thinking the same thing about all the smaller cars around me. :evil



What I was implying was that some of them come and block you purposely, cars don't do that. They cause traffic either by accidents or there's just too many cars. Critical mass purposely parks their bikes infront of cars on green lights to stop them from moving. Traffic caused by cars, for most part, obey traffic laws, Critical mass DO NOT.


http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/30/mylife-critical-mass-sucks/


Kasia

"I’m all for bikes, I think bikes are sweet, I have a bunch myself. I’m all for going green, that’s awesome too. But blocking off Stanley Park and the bridge is the dumbest, stupidest thing ever. It just makes motorists hate cyclists more, not to mention half the city is trapped in traffic. People can’t get home to pick up their children from school, make dinner for their families, or just get to whever they were going without having to sit in traffic for 2 hours. And what’s worse, you don’t represent the real roadies: the ones who wear helmets, abide by the law, and yet still get treated like crap because all you people have lost all respect for cyclists in Vancouver. So do everyone a favour, and display your movement in such a way that yields positive results and does not make the whole city angry."



Jonathan

"If Critical Mass does not stop doing the Lions Gate Bridge I will never attend again.
Shutting down the bridge for over an hour is the most stupid obnoxious and cruel thing it could ever do.
Making hard working people suffer in traffic for that amount of time so that douche with a bullhorn can yell about no blood for oil is an insult to the human race. I hate cars and carbon emissions and the fact that we as a species are about to go extinct, but there is no reason to make people suffer in the mean time.
Consider the effects of your actions! Since that is exactly what the mass is supposed to be all about."

[Zyzz]

i love it

[taylor192]

What I was implying was that some of them come and block you purposely, cars don't do that. They cause traffic either by accidents or there's just too many cars.
Spend a few weeks commuting in LA or Toronto or NY and you'll see what happens when there are too many cars. Critical Mass is just giving you a highlight of how bad the problem can become if you don't think of another solution.

I don't agree with how they protest, yet I'm also not going to cry about it.

[B-DiZzLe]

Spend a few weeks commuting in LA or Toronto or NY and you'll see what happens when there are too many cars. Critical Mass is just giving you a highlight of how bad the problem can become if you don't think of another solution.

I don't agree with how they protest, yet I'm also not going to cry about it.



Ok you misunderstood, I'm not saying that we have more cars than LA, Toronto, or NY, I'm saying traffic is CAUSED BY too many cars and not by drivers disobeying traffic laws like the cyclists from Critical Mass. If you're going to be riding your bike on the road than you better obey traffic laws.


If you're talking about crying, than what are the Critical Mass doing? They're CRYING OUT FOR HELP or trying to make a change, but they're not helping by angering drivers.


Critical Mass is just giving you a highlight of how bad the problem can become if you don't think of another solution.





OK we got the idea, now FUCK OFF!

[The_AK]

yes, absolutely

Well i'll just keep laughing then

[Great68]

If some cyclist put their hands on my car, I would be damn tempted to run them over.

Hard to protest when you're fucking DEAD

[Ferra]

Spend a few weeks commuting in LA or Toronto or NY and you'll see what happens when there are too many cars. Critical Mass is just giving you a highlight of how bad the problem can become if you don't think of another solution.

I don't agree with how they protest, yet I'm also not going to cry about it.
You obviously have never been to Toronto. The traffic condition in TO is 10x better than Vancouver.
I travel at least twice the distance in TO compare to when I was in vancouver, but I spend about the same or even less time on the road in Toronto

[Ferra]

I am waiting for the day when someone snap and throw a few molotov cocktail at the critical mass crowd

[Ikkaku]

If some cyclist put their hands on my car, I would be damn tempted to run them over.

Hard to protest when you're fucking DEAD

alternative use of a steering wheel lock :thumbsup:

[Great68]

alternative use of a steering wheel lock :thumbsup:

I keep a chunk of RW90 cable in my car, 1" aluminum core, think "billy club".

[hk20000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X975EVV3Egg

I'm not going to say anything I'm just going to laugh.

[taylor192]

You obviously have never been to Toronto. The traffic condition in TO is 10x better than Vancouver.
I travel at least twice the distance in TO compare to when I was in vancouver, but I spend about the same or even less time on the road in Toronto
Where did you commute in Toronto? By Toronto I mean the actual city of Toronto, not the GTA's suburbs.

[taylor192]

Ok you misunderstood, I'm not saying that we have more cars than LA, Toronto, or NY, I'm saying traffic is CAUSED BY too many cars and not by drivers disobeying traffic laws like the cyclists from Critical Mass. If you're going to be riding your bike on the road than you better obey traffic laws.
Other than blocking off intersections, what laws do they disobey? Bikes have a right to the road, they can ride right down the centre of lanes if they want to, and the minimum speed limit is 20 kmph.
If you're talking about crying, than what are the Critical Mass doing? They're CRYING OUT FOR HELP or trying to make a change, but they're not helping by angering drivers.
They are protesting, not crying. People here are crying, stating all the awful things they'd do to critical mass bikers, yet will never actually do it.

If you don't like critical mass, protest against it. Whining/crying on a car forum isn't dong much.


OK we got the idea, now FUCK OFF!
How did you get the idea? Are there magically less cars on the roads cause of you? Did you somehow magically mange to reduce traffic?

[metal]

^CM sucks, and I don't even live in Vancouver. Stop trying to stir up a debate, it's stupid, end of story.

[B-DiZzLe]

Other than blocking off intersections, what laws do they disobey? Bikes have a right to the road, they can ride right down the centre of lanes if they want to, and the minimum speed limit is 20 kmph.

So I guess it's okay for Critical Mass to block off intersections because they're protestors? What didn't you understand when I said they don't obey traffic laws? Blocking off intersections and running red lights are NOT OBEYING TRAFFIC LAWS. Your logic seems to be coming from a foreign place which nobody agrees with.

They are protesting, not crying. People here are crying, stating all the awful things they'd do to critical mass bikers, yet will never actually do it.

Protesting = Crying.


If you don't like critical mass, protest against it. Whining/crying on a car forum isn't dong much.


There's a difference between me not liking them and protesting against them. If I were to protest against them I would fall into the same pit as they are, therefore being a hypocrite.


How did you get the idea? Are there magically less cars on the roads cause of you? Did you somehow magically mange to reduce traffic?

NO you don't get the IDEA, I know their message, but I DON'T GIVE A FUCK! Do you actually think by riding bikes and blocking off traffic once a month will get people to stop driving their vehicles? If you think we have bad traffic then I would advice you to never go to the LA, San Fran, Washington, or just don't go to the states for that.

[taylor192]

So I guess it's okay for Critical Mass to block off intersections because they're protestors? What didn't you understand when I said they don't obey traffic laws? Blocking off intersections and running red lights are NOT OBEYING TRAFFIC LAWS. Your logic seems to be coming from a foreign place which nobody agrees with.
If they rode around in one giant pack and stopped at every redlight people would still hate them for blocking traffic.

Admit it, you don't hate them cause they break laws, you hate them cause they are in your way. Which, ironically, is why they hate you. Funny eh?

Protesting = Crying.
That's asinine. Most of the rights we have today are from others protesting.


NO you don't get the IDEA, I know their message, but I DON'T GIVE A FUCK! Do you actually think by riding bikes and blocking off traffic once a month will get people to stop driving their vehicles? If you think we have bad traffic then I would advice you to never go to the LA, San Fran, Washington, or just don't go to the states for that.
If their protests keep Vancouver from becoming like LA, then I'm all for it. Vancouver is one of the most bike friendly cities in North America, and that certainly wasn't cause of people like you that would prefer to run them over.

I have spent enough time in LA to know I'd never move there. > 1 hr commutes, no thanks. Why are the commutes so long? Lets see.... could be cars.... lack of public transit... lack of alternative transportation... wait, what is Critical Mass protesting about... oh ya, all those things so Vancouver doesn't turn into another LA.

Ask anyone who's lived here 3 decades or more how bad the traffic has gotten in that time, then predict what will happen in 3 decades. This is why I don't agree with how Critical Mass gets their message out, yet I'm not going to disagree with their message.

I have a bike and use it to commute, do you?
I walk to most places (gym, groceries, booze) after work and on weekends, do you?

[Ferra]

If they rode around in one giant pack and stopped at every redlight people would still hate them for blocking traffic.

Admit it, you don't hate them cause they break laws, you hate them cause they are in your way. Which, ironically, is why they hate you. Funny eh?

Road infrastructure are largely paid by drivers in the forms of fuel tax and other fees.
Cyclists don't pay or contribute anything to the infrastructure which they are using free of charge.
If you want to share the road, share the costs.

If you want to know why driver hate cyclist, try putting yourself in their shoes. Say there is this dedicated cycling lane for cyclist to ride on and each cyclist paid a fees to use the lane, but then this road is also open to pedestrians (who use it for free).
And these pedestrians often block your lane at walking speed. So instead of riding at 15-30km, you are forced to slow down to a halt so much that you can't even ride on the bike everytime there is a pedestrian walking in front of you.

And now imagine these pedestrians getting together to block your cycling lane ENTIRELY once every month to protest that you cyclists should be walking more to promote better health.

[q0192837465]

Road infrastructure are largely paid by drivers in the forms of fuel tax and other fees.
Cyclists don't pay or contribute anything to the infrastructure which they are using free of charge.
If you want to share the road, share the costs.

If you want to know why driver hate cyclist, try putting yourself in their shoes. Say there is this dedicated cycling lane for cyclist to ride on and each cyclist paid a fees to use the lane, but then this road is also open to pedestrians (who use it for free).
And these pedestrians often block your lane at walking speed. So instead of riding at 15-30km, you are forced to slow down to a halt so much that you can't even ride on the bike everytime there is a pedestrian walking in front of you.

And now imagine these pedestrians getting together to block your cycling lane ENTIRELY once every month to protest that you cyclists should be walking more to promote better health.

Nicce, that's a good analogy. I hate CM

[taylor192]

Road infrastructure are largely paid by drivers in the forms of fuel tax and other fees.
Cyclists don't pay or contribute anything to the infrastructure which they are using free of charge.
If you want to share the road, share the costs.
I feel the same about taxes, that the top few percent of Canadians pay the lion's share of taxes, yet every Canadian gets access to the services.

I'm in the top 8% of earners, I'll gladly stop paying my share of the services the other 92% use.

Now take the same analogy and apply it to cars, bikes and pedestrians. Drivers pay to subsidize other forms of transportation.

Now lets go one further, did you know the fuel tax doesn't even cover most infrastructure? Its paid out of provincial and municipal taxes. Thus why should some rich family in Shaughnessy pay so much more in income/property tax for the roads and bridges you use?

Hmmmm you didn't think of all this did you? Sorry to burst your bubble.

...
Since I blew holes through your little analogy, here's one for you:

What if all the rich people just stopped paying their taxes that subsidize your lifestyle? What if every rich person stood on a bridge that was paid for by their taxes and told you to kindly fuck off until you can pay for it yourself?

---

I'll give you a little hint: we live in a socialist society, not capitalism, and not libertarian. The rich pay for the poor, and those who do bad things for society (drive, smoke, drink, ...) subsidize those who do good things (walk, eat healthy, ...)

[Ferra]

I feel the same about taxes, that the top few percent of Canadians pay the lion's share of taxes, yet every Canadian gets access to the services.

I'm in the top 8% of earners, I'll gladly stop paying my share of the services the other 92% use.

Now take the same analogy and apply it to cars, bikes and pedestrians. Drivers pay to subsidize other forms of transportation.

Now lets go one further, did you know the fuel tax doesn't even cover most infrastructure? Its paid out of provincial and municipal taxes. Thus why should some rich family in Shaughnessy pay so much more in income/property tax for the roads and bridges you use?

Hmmmm you didn't think of all this did you? Sorry to burst your bubble.


Since I blew holes through your little analogy, here's one for you:

What if all the rich people just stopped paying their taxes that subsidize your lifestyle? What if every rich person stood on a bridge that was paid for by their taxes and told you to kindly fuck off until you can pay for it yourself?

---

I'll give you a little hint: we live in a socialist society, not capitalism, and not libertarian. The rich pay for the poor, and those who do bad things for society (drive, smoke, drink, ...) subsidize those who do good things (walk, eat healthy, ...)
You are not very bright, are you? How about you think through what exactly you wrote here?

You didn't disprove anything, all you are saying is that in our society, often 10% of the people pays for 90% of the expenses, which is very true.
But for you guys, instead of appreciating these top 10% money payers, you think you somehow DESERVED to receive these benefits for free.

And you are also missing the point here. We the drivers who are the top 10% money payers didn't mind giving you freeriders access to use the infrastructure we paid for. After all, like you said, we live in a socialist society and the rich supports the poor.
But instead of just using these infrastructure, you people actually have the nerve to purposefully block and cause great inconvenience to the rest of the people.
THIS IS WHY WE HATE YOU
we don't hate you because you are freeriders and you are using the infrastructure for free. We hate you because you people "purposefully" cause great inconvenience to the rest of the society.

[Ferra]

You also mentioned you are a top tax payer. Again, how about you think of it this way. How would you feel if the very people (junkies & criminals) who your tax dollars go to support their welfare, get together once every month to scream and protest at your door at midnight and prevent you from having a good night sleep (because they don't have money to own a house & a nice bed like you do).

[B-DiZzLe]

If they rode around in one giant pack and stopped at every redlight people would still hate them for blocking traffic.

Admit it, you don't hate them cause they break laws, you hate them cause they are in your way. Which, ironically, is why they hate you. Funny eh?

WRONG, I just think they're protesting the wrong way, I get their message but some people have 2 jobs and need to drive to work to save time and probably don't have enough energy to bike to work after working 12-16 hour/day.

I don't mind sharing the road with bikes as long as they're in their own lane, and I don't know why they would hate me since I'm probably never in their way knowing they're slower than I am.

My point is, why do they get to run reds when I don't? Why are they treated differently from me? Because they're annoying protesters?



That's asinine. Most of the rights we have today are from others protesting.


They're not protesting for rights.


If their protests keep Vancouver from becoming like LA, then I'm all for it. Vancouver is one of the most bike friendly cities in North America, and that certainly wasn't cause of people like you that would prefer to run them over.

I have spent enough time in LA to know I'd never move there. > 1 hr commutes, no thanks. Why are the commutes so long? Lets see.... could be cars.... lack of public transit... lack of alternative transportation... wait, what is Critical Mass protesting about... oh ya, all those things so Vancouver doesn't turn into another LA.


There are no major concerns about traffic in BC, plus we're buidling a new sky train for cummute. There are innocent people being affected by their actions but apparently it's okay because they're protesting to save us 30 years from now. I never said I wanted to run them over, I said there's going to be one person out there with road rage that probably will, there are a couple RS members that probably will :D.

Ask anyone who's lived here 3 decades or more how bad the traffic has gotten in that time, then predict what will happen in 3 decades. This is why I don't agree with how Critical Mass gets their message out, yet I'm not going to disagree with their message.

Ask yourself how much the human population has grown in 3 decades.

I have a bike and use it to commute, do you?
I walk to most places (gym, groceries, booze) after work and on weekends, do you?

I don't have a bike but I do run from and to the gym. I do groceries with my car since I don't think I can carry 5-7 bags 15 blocks home. I can't walk to work since it would probably take me about 1.5-2hours each way, and NO I would not run/jog to work since I need to wear a suit to work and taking a shower at work is not an option.

[PavelGTR]

I never said I wanted to run them over, I said there's going to be one person out there with road rage that probably will, there are a couple RS members that probably will :D.


:D

[B-DiZzLe]

:D

:p

[El Bastardo]

I'll give you a little hint: we live in a socialist society, not capitalism, and not libertarian. The rich pay for the poor, and those who do bad things for society (drive, smoke, drink, ...) subsidize those who do good things (walk, eat healthy, ...)



Commie spotted.

[goo3]

If their protests keep Vancouver from becoming like LA, then I'm all for it. Vancouver is one of the most bike friendly cities in North America, and that certainly wasn't cause of people like you that would prefer to run them over.

I have spent enough time in LA to know I'd never move there. > 1 hr commutes, no thanks. Why are the commutes so long? Lets see.... could be cars.... lack of public transit... lack of alternative transportation... wait, what is Critical Mass protesting about... oh ya, all those things so Vancouver doesn't turn into another LA.


That's silly. Vancouver is not and will never be LA. We don't have 13M ppl, 100s of freeways, bad city planning, or that type of sprawl. Bikes aren't a solution anyhow. We have 4 months of bikeable weather.

Your fight should be with the city planners in the suburbs and in areas that haven't been built yet. Vancouver (the City) isn't going to empty out. Restricting parking spots DT is way more effective than anything they're doing, that is, if what you mentioned is truly their goal, which i doubt.

[taylor192]

You are not very bright, are you? How about you think through what exactly you wrote here?
Apparently you cannot read or comprehend, please don't make comments on who's intelligent, you certainly are not.

You didn't disprove anything, all you are saying is that in our society, often 10% of the people pays for 90% of the expenses, which is very true.
But for you guys, instead of appreciating these top 10% money payers, you think you somehow DESERVED to receive these benefits for free.
Where do the CM people state they deserve the benefits? Stay on topic, you're stretching to TRY and make a point, yet you're not doing a very good job.

And you are also missing the point here. We the drivers who are the top 10% money payers didn't mind giving you freeriders access to use the infrastructure we paid for. After all, like you said, we live in a socialist society and the rich supports the poor.
That is if you ignore that income/property tax actually pay for the infrastructure, yet you need to ignore that to make your point. Too bad it also invalidates your point. So, now that we've established that income/property tax pays for infrastructure, what's your next stretch?

But instead of just using these infrastructure, you people actually have the nerve to purposefully block and cause great inconvenience to the rest of the people.
Yes its an inconvenience, yet my commute to work would be so much faster without all those people purposely going to work, driving vehicles by themselves.

You're the type of person who would oppose HOV lanes, cause they cut back on the lanes for most of the drivers and only benefit a few... if only they opened the HOV lanes to everyone, traffic would move much better, right?

Its the same ill-conceived logic.

we don't hate you because you are freeriders and you are using the infrastructure for free.
Then why are you being a drama queen and continuing the money argument? Do you like being ignorant?

We hate you because you people "purposefully" cause great inconvenience to the rest of the society.
Lots of rights have been won by protesting and inconveniencing people. Read a history book.

[taylor192]

That's silly. Vancouver is not and will never be LA. We don't have 13M ppl, 100s of freeways, bad city planning, or that type of sprawl. Bikes aren't a solution anyhow. We have 4 months of bikeable weather.

Your fight should be with the city planners in the suburbs and in areas that haven't been built yet. Vancouver (the City) isn't going to empty out. Restricting parking spots DT is way more effective than anything they're doing, that is, if what you mentioned is truly their goal, which i doubt.
We have 2M people and Surrey is becoming the next biggest city in Canada.
We don't have freeways, which will make sprawl that much worse.

Biking isn't the solution, yet its part of the solution.

[taylor192]

Commie spotted.
Hardly, I'm a conservative from Ontario, I hate that crap. Like I said, I'd rather keep my tax dollars.

I recognize Canada is socialist, I won't pretend its not with some rant about "we pay for roads, we get to use them".

[taylor192]

WRONG, I just think they're protesting the wrong way
You stat I'm wrong then agree with me.

I think they are protesting in the wrong way too.

I don't mind sharing the road with bikes as long as they're in their own lane
They have as much of a right to the road as you do. They don't require their own lane, they can rightfully use the same lane you're in.

My point is, why do they get to run reds when I don't? Why are they treated differently from me? Because they're annoying protesters?
I agree with you on this. Yet if they didn't run reds people would still be pissed at them. A large group of bikes is going to block traffic.

They're not protesting for rights.
You need to read their mission statement.

There are no major concerns about traffic in BC, plus we're buidling a new sky train for cummute.
Without the Olympics that would have never been built. People are not interested in paying for it with their tax dollars, since most, drive.

I never said I wanted to run them over, I said there's going to be one person out there with road rage that probably will, there are a couple RS members that probably will :D.
and that person will go to jail for a very long time. :thumbsup:

Ask yourself how much the human population has grown in 3 decades.
More reason to explore alternative transportation.

I don't have a bike but I do run from and to the gym.
:thumbsup:Good work!

[Ferra]

That's silly. Vancouver is not and will never be LA. We don't have 13M ppl, 100s of freeways, bad city planning, or that type of sprawl. Bikes aren't a solution anyhow. We have 4 months of bikeable weather.

Your fight should be with the city planners in the suburbs and in areas that haven't been built yet. Vancouver (the City) isn't going to empty out. Restricting parking spots DT is way more effective than anything they're doing, that is, if what you mentioned is truly their goal, which i doubt.
I can't speak for all Critical mass participant, but I've talked to a few personally. None of the people I talk to were really there for the cause. Most of them just thought it is a fun thing to do to ride in a big group.

If you switch the form of protest from riding in a group to sitting on the road (doing the same thing - blocking traffic), I am sure less than 10% of the current "protester" will continue doing it since it will not longer be a "fun" thing to do.

[Great68]

and that person will go to jail for a very long time.




If some protestor should put their hands on my car, I would gladly take the assault charge. It would be worth it.

[Supafly]

If some protestor should put their hands on my car, I would gladly take the assault charge. It would be worth it.

i agree....

hitting them with a car =

assault + assault with a deadly weapon + intent to harm. = no jail time if you're a first time offender + a minimal 500 dollar fine if you get into trouble for probational period....maybe probation and 1 yr sentence if you're a repeat offender.


Getting out of your car =

just assault...

just get out and single out the one guy..:thumbsup: = court date, a scold from the judge, and 2500 dollars to your lawyer.

[taylor192]

If some protestor should put their hands on my car, I would gladly take the assault charge. It would be worth it.
Lookup how many things you get excluded from when you have a criminal record, then come back and say this again tough guy.

[Great68]

Lookup how many things you get excluded from when you have a criminal record, then come back and say this again tough guy.

Meh. The chances that I'd get acquitted for being provoked are high.

[taylor192]

Meh. The chances that I'd get acquitted for being provoked are high.
Yep, you're definitely joking. Keep up the talk tough guy! :thumbsup:

[sulos]

I am glad I don't go downtown when CM is riding around. I forgot one friday but I was lucky because they were coming around to where I was. I just turned right and kept going to where I wanted to go.

waiting 2 minutes while retards like taylor ride by isn't such a big problem for me but if they started to touch or damage my car that would be a different story.

I am just going to stay away and wait to see the news when one of them gets run over.

[Great68]

Yep, you're definitely joking. Keep up the talk tough guy! :thumbsup:

Try me pansy ass.

Takes quite a bit to get me angry, but touching my car would set me off immediately.

[DD//M3]

Isn't the damn ride next Friday again? Burrard Street Bridge at rush hour. Through Downtown...Sigh

[Supafly]

Lookup how many things you get excluded from when you have a criminal record, then come back and say this again tough guy.

a good lawyer here in vancouver is not hard to comeby....plus our justice system is weak...

money and a reason to hurt someone with a good lawyer will yeild some good results for the defense...

i know with first hand experience (no criminal record)...even if you get a criminal record, wait a few years and get a pardon/ file destruction....its not like he got caught shipping drugs across the border.

[taylor192]

Try me pansy ass.

Takes quite a bit to get me angry, but touching my car would set me off immediately.
and your ass would be in jail.

No judge is going to accept "he touched my car" as a viable excuse, sorry to rain on your parade.

I'm sure your car has been touched many times in parking lots, without your knowledge. Get over yourself.

[taylor192]

money and a reason to hurt someone with a good lawyer will yeild some good results for the defense...

i know with first hand experience (no criminal record)...even if you get a criminal record, wait a few years and get a pardon/ file destruction....its not like he got caught shipping drugs across the border.
LOL at "good reason" hopefully the judge has a bike.

LOL at waiting a few years. No thanks, if its worth it to you, you're an idiot.

[Supafly]

and your ass would be in jail.

No judge is going to accept "he touched my car" as a viable excuse, sorry to rain on your parade.

I'm sure your car has been touched many times in parking lots, without your knowledge. Get over yourself.

it would end up being his word against the other....the crown will probably put out a clause that neither of them are to see each other for a few months...

One can say he was defending himself as he felt threatened when the cyclist banged on his car...sounds stupid but it works.

[Supafly]

Lookup how many things you get excluded from when you have a criminal record, then come back and say this again tough guy.

im curious, would you not be upset if some douche, walked up to your car, smashed your window infront of your face..and walked away?...what would you do?...call the police and pay a 300 deductable and not wanting to shit kick the kid?:rolleyes:

[taylor192]

it would end up being his word against the other....the crown will probably put out a clause that neither of them are to see each other for a few months...

One can say he was defending himself as he felt threatened when the cyclist banged on his car...sounds stupid but it works.
You have obviously never been to court.

You only have the right to defend yourself, not to attack the other party. If you're inside your car and someone is leaning on it, the judge would rule "then you should've stayed in your car".

Stop stretching, you're only digging a hole.

[Supafly]

You have obviously never been to court.

You only have the right to defend yourself, not to attack the other party. If you're inside your car and someone is leaning on it, the judge would rule "then you should've stayed in your car".

Stop stretching, you're only digging a hole.

i have been to court, for assault and assault with a deadly weapon...my case got dropped because one, he has no evidence, and its his word against mine.
they had a warrant for my arrest, searched my car, no weapon... the guy lied (i had no weapon and i did not hit him or even try), and i spent a day in court, only to waste time as the crown tossed the case as soon as both parties stated their cases...

bottom line, if theres a will, theres a way..the system has a lot of loop holes, and if you got the money; you got the upperhand.

you haven't lived in vancouver long enough to understand, that the bad guy always wins.

[taylor192]

im curious, would you not be upset if some douche, walked up to your car, smashed your window infront of your face..and walked away?...what would you do?...call the police and pay a 300 deductable and not wanting to shit kick the kid?:rolleyes:
A question for you:

Ever been beaten by a gang of 10 teens with bats after leaving a bar? cause your buddy hit on their GF at the bar.

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Sure I'd want to kill the kid, yet learned a long time ago its not worth it.

In my neighbourhood in Ottawa, doing such would only ensure the kid's friends would find my car (easy to find, it stands out) and me one night and much worse would be done.

Beating the kid up doesn't get my deductible back.

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Plus my previous job was in military, criminal records are frowned upon.

[taylor192]

i have been to court, for assault and assault with a deadly weapon...my case got dropped because one, he has no evidence, and its his word against mine.
they had a warrant for my arrest, searched my car, no weapon... the guy lied, and i spent a day in court, only to waste time as the crown tossed the case as soon as both parties stated their cases...

bottom line, if theres a will, theres a way..the system has a lot of loop holes, and if you got the money; you got the upperhand.
You're a great role model! :thumbsup:

[Supafly]

You're a great role model! :thumbsup:

hey i never said i was the perfect guy....when someone puts you and your family in danger, you will defend yourself with whatever you got, and you will fight to the death to defend your family...
something you will understand when you have a young family.:thumbsup:

we're going off-topic....back to critical mass....

[Supafly]

A question for you:

Beating the kid up doesn't get my deductible back.




One thing in vancouver is, if someone messes with your belongings, you make sure that kid does not come back for revenge...and one way of doing that is to work him hard enough; get his ID and tell him if he comes back, you'll go to his house and rain something other than water droplets.

[taylor192]

hey i never said i was the perfect guy....when someone puts you and your family in danger, you will defend yourself with whatever you got, and you will fight to the death to defend your family...
something you will understand when you have a young family.:thumbsup:

we're going off-topic....back to critical mass....
Yes back to CM and defending your family from rogue bikers who lean against your car. :thumbsup:

[Supafly]

Yes back to CM and defending your family from rogue bikers who lean against your car. :thumbsup:

lol:p

[silk]

bikes only belong to the bike rack of the car or in the park...thats it

[!LittleDragon]

If cyclists are going to use the roads, chances are, they will get into accidents. They should be required to get plates for their bikes and buy insurance like everyone else. I drive through downtown everyday and too many times I see crazy bike couriers weaving through cars, hit a car and just take off.

[91civicZC]

If cyclists are going to use the roads, chances are, they will get into accidents. They should be required to get plates for their bikes and buy insurance like everyone else. I drive through downtown everyday and too many times I see crazy bike couriers weaving through cars, hit a car and just take off.

The above statement is the same thing I have been thinking about for a long time.

Obviously insurance rates would be extremely low, but as bikes are on the same road ways as cars they can be (although bikers would love to think differently) the “at fault party” in an accident, they should be required to have plates and pay a small amount of insurance to cover any damages caused.

In my opinion, this would make it safer for both the cyclist and the vehicles around them. I am sure there are bugs to be worked out of the above, but certainly it would have a positive effect on both the way cyclists ride through traffic, and they way they are treated by the cars around them.

As for CM, I think it’s currently a bull shit grouping of mostly goof balls just jumping in to participate in the group ride, without the actual thought on how this would effect the “Cause”. I am all for as many ways as we can to make a greener planet, but I believe CM is not the right way of going about it, and only turning more and more “non cyclists” against the general “cyclist” population.

[goo3]

We have 2M people and Surrey is becoming the next biggest city in Canada.
We don't have freeways, which will make sprawl that much worse.

Biking isn't the solution, yet its part of the solution.

It's not a very good solution for what you're talking about at all.

Freeways give reason for ppl to spread out. Notice how we're such a compact city compared to many of the US cities? It's because our road system is slow. We can't cover the same distance in a reasonable amt of time.

Freeways make sprawl. It doesn't happen w/o roads and bad city planning.

This makes you married to your car because transit can't possible be viable economically nor practically when it takes more money to build and service those distances while, at the same time, offering horrible service that nobody wants. Smaller distances + more density = better transit.

LA is 13M ppl spread out all over. A 1 hr commute is not that bad. I thought it would be more.