[nns]

Almost 350 Vancouver Police Department members were paid more than $100,000 in 2008, a new report has found.

And two unidentified regular VPD members earned roughly $225,000 each, the report by researcher Daniel Fontaine states.

That’s in contrast to Premier Gordon Campbell’s $175,000 pay cheque, Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson’s $135,000 and most provincial court judges.

A veteran constable is entitled to $89,900 regular pay per year.

“Some policemen are making far in excess of any elected official,” said Fontaine, a one-time aid to former Vancouver Mayor Sam Sullivan who obtained his figures through a freedom of information request. Fontaine said overtime is endemic in the Vancouver force and overtime perks are even used to entice new prospects onto the force.

“The VPD’s recruiting package says policemen make at least $10,000 to $15,000 a year in overtime,” he said.

“Overtime is built into the DNA.”

But Vancouver Coun. Geoff Meggs said council has been satisfied with efforts to reduce overtime.

“Police have worked very, very hard to manage financially as tight as they can,” said Meggs. “They are faced with tremendous pressures in gang warfare. They can’t ask criminals to hold off while they balance their budget,” he said.

Vancouver Police Chief Jim Chu and city manager Penny Ballem noted last March that the VPD had spent nearly half of its $2-million criminal investigation fund in the first two months of the year and was expected to be “significantly overbudget by the the end of 2009,” citing the unprecedented war on gangs.

The VPD “is not funded to sustain such a large operation addressing a regional crime problem for a lengthy period of time,” Chu said in a report to city council. The freedom of information document listed 2,000 VPD salaries, but no names were disclosed.

Fontaine said the public deserves accountability in police budgeting as much as other areas of government.

“Other departments in Vancouver are undergoing layoffs and pay freezes,” said Fontaine, adding that more officers are being hired.

VPD figures show the top earner in 2008 was police chief Jim Chu with $268,000. Deputy-Chief Constable Doug Lepard was paid $247,887 and Deputy-Chief Constable Bob Rolls $218,014.

Fontaine conceded some monies were paid to police by outside employers such as the film industry and the fireworks festival, who rent out cops at overtime rates. He said the income would show up on the salary survey, but not come out of the police budget.

Vancouver police spokeswoman Const. Jana McGuinness said the overtime is needed to combat crime in B.C.’s biggest city.

“It’s difficult to have it both ways,” said McGuinness. “We’ve got extraordinary situations in respect of the gang wars.

“That activity has gone on for the better part of the last year, which definitely has counted toward a significant amount of overtime,” she said.

McGuinness pointed out the VPD has been recruiting at a rapid rate, having hired 200 staff in the past 18 months, “in our push up to 2010 to fill all the vacancies. “We’ve got to have people to fill those spots on the streets until the new people are hired,” she said.

McGuinness added: “We need to be out there policing and doing everything possible to put an end to the gang wars. “It does contribute to the overtime expenses, for certain.”
http://www.theprovince.com/Business/Report+Vancouver+cops+make+over+year/1626569/story.html

[Supafly]

just more than busting dealers...:haha:

[68style]

LOL what a stupid report, most cops do way more than $15k of overtime... I've seen as high as $35-45k in OT in one year... so what? Their personal lives suck and if they have families, you can bet the relationship is damaged...

I doubt Gordon Campbell is getting shot at or investigating murders, you could turn around and say at $170k to sit in an office and sign things and never actually do anything himself (advisors, speech writers, etc.) is pretty overpaid too.

[BNR32_Coupe]

i find the VPD to be more pleasant to deal with than the RCMP. i guess the RCMP make relatively less

[JesseBlue]

yah...they have a chance to get shot at pretty much every day...they deserve it...now ceos of icbc...lets scrutinize that

[willystyle]

Cops deserve every penny of what they get paid to do.

[hotjoint]

crazy

[asahai69]

yeah. the cops sitting around in the offices definatley deserve 270k a year.

[willystyle]

yeah. the cops sitting around in the offices definatley deserve 270k a year.
That's pennies compared to the $50 Million dollar USD that all the FAT cat CEOs get paid in the states, and that's just their base salary, excluding bonuses and stock options.

[asahai69]

^ i only got a problem with that if its my tax money going into it.

[Gt-R R34]

yeah. the cops sitting around in the offices definatley deserve 270k a year.

hmmm..get a chance @ being shot for 20 years or so, before they become office jobs.

Worth the 270? Yup.

let me know when you spend the last 20 years dealing with drugs/guns - possibility of needles, giving you aids/murder.

Don't deserve that amount.

Of all jobs, Cops/Firefighter/paramedics ANYTHING emergency oriented, deserves pay.

[Jayboogz]

Lol wow cops r balled out then eh.. Think of all the dirty money they get as well..

[asahai69]

its a part of the job description. if you dont want the chance of getting shot. dont become a damn cop. they should pay the guys walking on the street and actually dealing with that shit more and the retards in the front office less.

[penner2k]

hmmm..get a chance @ being shot for 20 years or so, before they become office jobs.

Worth the 270? Yup.

let me know when you spend the last 20 years dealing with drugs/guns - possibility of needles, giving you aids/murder.

Don't deserve that amount.

Of all jobs, Cops/Firefighter/paramedics ANYTHING emergency oriented, deserves pay.

The problem is paramedics barely make anything.. especially when they first start out..
I dont think firefighters make that much either..

[ws6ta]

i remember a cop that pulled me over was telling me he just bought a brand new z06. i didn't believe him...now I do! I thought cops only make like 60grand a year :confused:

[BNR32_Coupe]

hmmm..get a chance @ being shot for 20 years or so, before they become office jobs.

Worth the 270? Yup.

let me know when you spend the last 20 years dealing with drugs/guns - possibility of needles, giving you aids/murder.

Don't deserve that amount.

Of all jobs, Cops/Firefighter/paramedics ANYTHING emergency oriented, deserves pay.

you're more likely to be shot/stabbed at by being an innocent average joe civilian rather than a cop. you're giving them too much credit. what benefit does a criminal have in jabbing a cop versus jabbing a woman for her LV purse?

point negated. end of discussion. mods, close this thread!

[Mancini]

I don't see a problem based on this report alone.

They're making their regular wage (under $100k) and earning the extra money by working overtime hours. A $90k salary for a veteran employee in this type of job environment is sensible. If I were an officer I would have a problem if the top of my potential salary range was something significantly lower. I would have a problem if I were not paid for overtime hours.

Additionally, some of these earnings are as a result of the organization contracting out their services.

[Mancini]

One thing, though; if there's that much overtime to be had they may be understaffed.

[Noir]

http://www.theprovince.com/Business/Report+Vancouver+cops+make+over+year/1626569/story.html

What's your point? Is this another attempt at authoritarian scrutiny because if so, the lot of you are pretty fuckin' dumb.

Maybe you'd perfer the Mexican way where you pay your cops peanuts so you'd see the following phenomenon as rampant and the norm:

*** Ease of police employment by cartels
*** Higher probability of police falsely hassling innocent civilians for quick cash payoffs

But hey, at least it saves on tax money :rolleyes: I guess more money on politicians pockets.

[Meowjin]

so?

[wouwou]

Fuck I would rather the Gov paying them that much, than cheaping out on the cops.

Underpaid cops will find other means of income, not to mention they risk their lives for the pay.

I wouldnt do it myself

[Timpo]

350 officers out of how many?

[Meowjin]

fuck i'm gonna apply for vpd after the summer.

[RacePace]

fuck i'm gonna apply for vpd after the summer.

What qualifications do you need to be a cop?

[Chairman Kaga]

Kent Spencer can go fuck himself if he's trying to drum up some anti-police news.

VPD + RCMP deserver all the money they can get because of all the risks that are involved with their jobs.

Campbell makes $175k - Robertson makes $135k

You can pretty much guarantee that most of their expense is comped when they go out.

[Chairman Kaga]

point negated. end of discussion. mods, close this thread!

Go fuck yourself.

kthxbye.

[Lomac]

you're more likely to be shot/stabbed at by being an innocent average joe civilian rather than a cop. you're giving them too much credit. what benefit does a criminal have in jabbing a cop versus jabbing a woman for her LV purse?

point negated. end of discussion. mods, close this thread!

Hardly. The purpose behind being a police officer is to actively go out and hunt the sort of people who would do the crimes. By doing so, you're exposing yourself to the possibility of physical harm, disability, or even death. Seeking it out is far riskier than stumbling upon it. I'd like to see that stat of innocent civilians being at greater risk than police officers.

[nns]

What's your point? Is this another attempt at authoritarian scrutiny because if so, the lot of you are pretty fuckin' dumb.

Maybe you'd perfer the Mexican way where you pay your cops peanuts so you'd see the following phenomenon as rampant and the norm:

*** Ease of police employment by cartels
*** Higher probability of police falsely hassling innocent civilians for quick cash payoffs

But hey, at least it saves on tax money :rolleyes: I guess more money on politicians pockets.

I don't know if you're taking offense to me posting this article or not, but just to be safe, i'll state my opinion on the subject. For the record, I have no problem with cops being paid this much.
If this is the cost of having quality policemen doing good police work, who manage to stay straight and aren't corrupt, then I think it's all worth it. It's unfortunate that other first responders may not be compensated as well as the police.

Usually, when I post articles, I refrain from commenting in the inital post. The reason I do this is because I want to hear what other people have to say. I notice more often than not that if someone posts an article, and they include their opinion with it, it seems to set the mood of the whole thread, and a bunch of people will basically bandwagon on that 1st guy's opinion and agree like a bunch of tools. I'm not interested in hearing a bunch of people go "I agree" or "QFT" on subjects like this, I like to hear the different opinions and perspectives.

I can only imagine that some cops are a nervous wreck from trying to keep their composure from all the horrible and crazy BS they see during their shifts. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. If that's the case, all this money sure isn't going to help them much - i'm assuming that issues like this are like chronic pain and cannot be easily fixed.

To the guy who said they shouldn't be cops if they can't handle it, think of it this way: they're doing it so you don't have to. Believe it or not, a lot of people out there like to help others, they enjoy it. I like to believe cops are like those people, and they happen to get compensated well for it. For argument's sake, who is to say the cops even want this OT pay? Maybe they do it *strictly* for the experience. I think it's possible.

edit: Although reading articles and reports like this with the opinions of people like Daniel Fontaine and the opposition is sometimes disheartening/upsetting, I believe it has it's purpose. It reminds us that there's accountability. The cops have to report to somebody what they spend, and that due diligence provides accountabilty - they know they can't just burn whatever amount of money and believe they can get away with it. If it wasn't for accountability, I'm sure they would become less and less thoughtful of how they spent their budget.

[Gt-R R34]

you're more likely to be shot/stabbed at by being an innocent average joe civilian rather than a cop. you're giving them too much credit. what benefit does a criminal have in jabbing a cop versus jabbing a woman for her LV purse?

point negated. end of discussion. mods, close this thread!

yes....thats right..cops just walk the street looking dangerous, they don't do things like raid illegal operations, solve murders, walk down East Hastings/Main

cops don't have a possibility of having someone point a gun in their face in a critical situation, and have to stay calm and collected.

yes...they just go walk around, and have a way LOWER chance of being shot shot and stab as a innocent average joe.

you don't have a clue do you?

[nns]

Maybe BNR32_Coupe should be the one with the user title of "No. Seriously. I never fucking get it.".....

[Leopold Stotch]

Man over 100k, well

being a cop is tough. just the hours alone would want me to not take this job.

seeing as they work 12 hours shifts. overtime is just too much.

[Ludepower]

What qualifications do you need to be a cop?

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

[wouwou]

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

er, people doesnt have to die to make a job dangerous.

[Ch28]

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

Haven't seen you in the hockey thread ever since the Hawks have started to shit the bed.

Hmm........I wonder why?

[Gh0stRider]

fuking cops

[Leopold Stotch]

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

dont' you need a bachelors to be accepted?

[HonestTea]

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

Where have you been buddy? You haven't posted in the Canucks thread in a long time..

[Honyoung]

its true that not many cops die on the job but think about all the crack addicts they have to deal with along with the gangs long hours etc
i mean im not saying that we should be paying them 100k+ but can u imagine if the vpd went on strike? (fat chance but bare with me)
what someone else makes its none of my business

[jaguar604]

No one gets paid enough to be to constantly disrespected by people.

[Lomac]

fuking cops

:rolleyes:

Lemme guess; you'd rather the RCMP/VPD/whatever be paid minimum wage with only the barest amount of overtime when it's absolutely needed?

No one gets paid enough to be to constantly disrespected by people.

:werd:




The article and sheet doesn't specify which cops get paid that amount, not to mention how much of it is on official police business and how much is doing side jobs as security. If you think your basic road cop is making this much, think again. These earners are likely veteran ERT members and high ranking officers, along with some UC agents. Just like any other job in the world, the more dangerous the permanent assignment, the more you get paid.

[Timpo]

so...how many officers are working at VPD? :confused:

[Ludepower]

Haven't seen you in the hockey thread ever since the Hawks have started to shit the bed.

Hmm........I wonder why?

HAHA..I aint a hawks fan..just anti bandwagon canucks fan. This city doesn't deserve the cup.

Where have you been buddy? You haven't posted in the Canucks thread in a long time..

You mean the bangwagon thread that crashed once the Canucks got eliminated? Yea that's your typical bandwagon fans here...they know nothing about hockey...watch it only if when the city gets a 'playoff buzz' going.

Betcha 75% DONT even KNOW what's going on with the rest of the playoffs now. Wings take it again this year.

[!SG]

u fail to realize that gordon campbell uses his position to do a lot of other business.

he may be paid an X amount for being the premier, but he makes a crap load more for his influences and involvement of other business dealings.

how many politicians actually go into politics because they care?

for the amount of stress on job, training, and responsibility for being a cop, the salary is warranted...

[Derek_N84]

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

Go apply if you think its that easy.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

LOL

sounds fair to me man.

go talk to the BSc or BA working at star bucks LOL, now THAT's unfair.

but such is life. so boohoo. it's only unfair if you're making less, so go make more.

quit bitchin, life is very unfair, go wait for your lucky break or just work harder (and hope that hard work pays off). 100g a year isnt that much anyways.

[Great68]

There are many people who do a lot less and get paid a lot more...

Like entertainers...

[zulutango]

Any Cop making over $100,000 a year is just saving up for his divorce lawyer...trust me! Some of the high flyers in that story were making 70 hours OT a shot. You are also giving at LEAST 50% to the tax man...at least.

[Mancini]

You are also giving at LEAST 50% to the tax man...at least.

Would you care to quote the tax brackets for me?

[Gt-R R34]

Any Cop making over $100,000 a year is just saving up for his divorce lawyer...trust me! Some of the high flyers in that story were making 70 hours OT a shot. You are also giving at LEAST 50% to the tax man...at least.

An acutal officer has spoken!

/end thread.

[Gt-R R34]

Would you care to quote the tax brackets for me?

Thats just common tax practice/laws - Allow me :

Your taxes are calculated by:

Adding your salaries, wages, commissions; bonuses, vacation pay, gratuities; pensions, retiring allowances, and death benefits; and the value of any of your taxable benefits/allowances.
Subtracting your employee contributions to a registered pension plan; RRSP contributions; union dues (all jurisdictions except Quebec); a deduction for living in a prescribed zone; and deductions authorized by The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA)
The figure that remains is your net taxable income.



What does Non-Per. Tax mean?
Non-periodic taxable income is the income tax deducted from the current pay period over and above regular income, such as retroactive pay increases and bonus payments. It is one of two methods of taxation for remuneration, the other being regular taxable income.


Using the tax calculation for the regular taxable income means that the income is annualized and taxed at the annual rate based on the applicable tax tables.


Using the tax calculation for the bonus payments means that the regular tax is calculated based on an annual basis. The bonus income is not annualized and only the difference is taxed using the applicable tax rates.



Why is so much tax taken when I work overtime?
Canada Pension Plan contributions, Employment Insurance premiums, and Income Tax must be deducted from overtime pay. When the overtime pay is paid, it is added to the regular pay and the income tax deductions are calculated from the total amount in the usual way using the regular taxable income method (above).


http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

Enjoy.

[wouwou]

There are many people who do a lot less and get paid a lot more...

Like entertainers...
well they did won the genetic lottery, so yeah...?

[scheng924]

why are people so harsh on the police? would you do what they do if you didn't get pay that amount?...

everyone is only concerned about their overtime.. think about their family... imagine missing their kid's recital or wife's bday cuz of gang violence and overtime...

there's a reason why they're paid that amount...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

you fuckers are retarded. think of it this way. and only think of it this way because this is the way it really fucking is.

the world is made up of humans (yes, just humans).

humans are social creatures. we gather in tribes, or towns, or nations or gangs, whatever the fuck you want to call it.

the government in any nation is USUALLY the most powerful group or gang of the country or nation they govern. you choose a side, you can be part of the biggest gang in your country, or you can be with the the small fish. it's fucking up to you.

everyone's a gangster whether you know it or not, you just gotta pick your sides.

you think getting paid 100, 000 to enforce your gangs rules and "laws" for your entire career, dealing with asswipes and fuckups in your territory isnt justified? are you kidding me?

if you don't like your countries rules, go join another gang, because you're not going to beat canada's gang in their own territory, especially if you're just a fucking civilian.

it is the way it is. sometime's it's unfair or you have "bad" apples that want to bend the rules to their own liking, but those are a very small percentage of the total population. overall, the muscle of canada does it's job fairly well. no organization is perfect, if such a thing existed, earth would be a utopia.

if you wake up to find a loved one in need of help, who are you going to call?

exactly. you have no one else to call. you rely on canada's "gang" for everything. respect them for what they REPRESENT.

[MelonBoy]

Highschool education making 100K a year...sign me up! :rolleyes:

Also..comments about their jobs being dangerous...how many actually die? I bet you more truck drivers die than cops.

I got no problem if they're making 100K a year investigating actual crimes...not the ones sitting on their asses with radar guns and deciding to stay a couple hours overtime at timmmy's.

hmm i thought you need like 4 years in Uni or a Bachelors to even start applying for the police force?...
I honestly think the police deserve around 100k a year... i mean they risk being shot at every time they go to *investigate* a call from someone... (ex. a while back a police officer was shot in the face while WALKING up to a house)

Also someone earlier said a average person is more likely to be stabbed/shot then a police is a total retard... an if tyour going to comment about why would someone stab a officer rather then a woman with a lv bag.. how about comparing this? Who would a crock shooot at, a police officer whos about to bust his ass or a pedestrian walking down the block? ... While a average person takes cover and runs from gun fire, WHOS the one running towards the scene ??? Not your ass thats for sure..

Anyways Respect for the POPO bitchs cause when you crying and wetting your pants from some rapist, guess whos going to be the one saving your ASS. (hopefully lol)