[AE98]

I was having this discussion in other forum:


Is it just me or there is a blatant failure in BC's driving education and cluture?

Take Richmond for example, Alot of Chinese immigrants in Richmond really can't drive for shit, its a known fact. But, if you ever visit Taiwan, China or Hong Kong, where these immigrants come from, you will be amazed at the driving / parking skills people have there. In Taiwan I have seen alot of people park within literally milimeters bumper to bumper and never scratch.
Also people react very quickly to changing traffic lights and move / stop accordingly. The traffic flow is much more smooth there.

Once you are back in Canada you feel the streets are filled with idiots who are not only slow (wait for couple seconds after green lights) and stupid (stopping on a green light for no particular reasons), regardless Chinese or not. When the light turn green, theres always cars that had to hestitate for a bit and then move on, and then the car behind it would often takes moments to respond and the move on. The result is letting go maybe just 10 cars in a green light while there are literally over 50 cars stuck behind.

I have also seen a news from Germany that on autobahn, although the traffic speed there is very high, traffic death and injuries are much lower comparing to North American highways. another reason why we cant have no speed limits here.

What is wrong here?

[wouwou]

they are high

[El Bastardo]

Just the lower mainland. You don't get this kind of excessive stupidity in the rest of the province. Just the regular kind.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

u know what, its just fucking vancouver that cant drive shit. Dont know how to merge, nor change lanes.


U go down to the states, people there at least know the basics...GET THE FUCK OUT of the fast lane
:rolleyes:

i give up driving in Van long ago.

not to mention our fucking cyclists that deserves to be run over, yup i said it. Every single one of them in downtown

[Noir]

I was having this discussion in other forum:


Is it just me or there is a blatant failure in BC's driving education and cluture?

Take Richmond for example, Alot of Chinese immigrants in Richmond really can't drive for shit, its a known fact. But, if you ever visit Taiwan, China or Hong Kong, where these immigrants come from, you will be amazed at the driving / parking skills people have there. In Taiwan I have seen alot of people park within literally milimeters bumper to bumper and never scratch.
Also people react very quickly to changing traffic lights and move / stop accordingly. The traffic flow is much more smooth there.

Once you are back in Canada you feel the streets are filled with idiots who are not only slow (wait for couple seconds after green lights) and stupid (stopping on a green light for no particular reasons), regardless Chinese or not. When the light turn green, theres always cars that had to hestitate for a bit and then move on, and then the car behind it would often takes moments to respond and the move on. The result is letting go maybe just 10 cars in a green light while there are literally over 50 cars stuck behind.

I have also seen a news from Germany that on autobahn, although the traffic speed there is very high, traffic death and injuries are much lower comparing to North American highways. another reason why we cant have no speed limits here.

What is wrong here?

Well go back to fucking China.

It's not perfect but frankly the courtesy culture that's supposed to be endorsed by our system is much better than an all-out, look only for yourself, don't let anybody lane change to your lane, don't even bother fucking signaling because it's too troublesome, aggressive-mario-andretti type driving you're looking for.

Just because you can see someone do 160+ kph and weaving in and out of traffic with the smallest margin of vehicular space doesn't mean you're a good driver. It means you're probably an accident waiting to happen.


Oh, and there's probably a valid reason why you're license is suspended right now. I seriously don't buy the reason that you're asking for advise for your brother's behalf and his gf.

[LengJai]

nor can they see a bright fucking yellow car when they park. i've honestly lost count how many times i've been hit and run. my bumpers have so many random dents, chips, scratches, scrapes

[impactX]

Well go back to fucking China.

It's not perfect but frankly the courtesy culture that's supposed to be endorsed by our system is much better than an all-out, look only for yourself, don't let anybody lane change to your lane, don't even bother fucking signaling because it's too troublesome, aggressive-mario-andretti type driving you're looking for.

Just because you can see someone do 160+ kph and weaving in and out of traffic with the smallest margin of vehicular space doesn't mean you're a good driver. It means you're probably an accident waiting to happen.


Oh, and there's probably a valid reason why you're license is suspended right now. I seriously don't buy the reason that you're asking for advise for your brother's behalf and his gf.


And in said thread, "his brother's" girlfriend can't even park the car.

[The_AK]

god, yesterday i was heading down Westminster and some car filled with girls turning on an intersection on 5rd decide it would be a great idea to turn right after another car just before I entered the intersection. Have people in Richmond really lost a sense of judgment to be able to determine what is safe and what is not? Are people blind? I had to slam on the brakes and skid to a stop just to not hit them! Mind you I was following the speed limit.

[hk20000]

I'm in HK and I can tell you that they don't necessarily drive better than 604ers.

Why would I say that? Because only a very very small fraction of people in HK regularly operates a motor vehicle. Compared to Vancouver where everyone goes out to get a DL and a car too expensive/complex for their own good you have a chance to sample "what if all the people drive" scenario in Vancouver.

Whereas in Asia, you either LOVE driving (that means you are good at it, usually) or you do it for a living (you BETTER be good at it).... There's that issue of "sampling the population" in statistics here....

[taylor192]

Our country is too lax about driving tests. They need to be harder, driving is a privilege not a right.

I have noticed drivers are much worse here, yet I blame part of that on lack of a major highway to get places. After 30 mins in traffic even I'm frustrated with the stop-go and more likely not to pay attention.

[Gumby]

Take Richmond for example, Alot of Chinese immigrants in Richmond really can't drive for shit, its a known fact. But, if you ever visit Taiwan, China or Hong Kong, where these immigrants come from, you will be amazed at the driving / parking skills people have there. In Taiwan I have seen alot of people park within literally milimeters bumper to bumper and never scratch.
Also people react very quickly to changing traffic lights and move / stop accordingly. The traffic flow is much more smooth there.
These immigrants that are poor drivers in Richmond/Canada - do many of them drive in Asia? Didn't think so. They normally take transit, or get driven around, right?

And two, life is much faster-paced in Asia. People in North America (with the exception of New York, and a handful of major cities) generally take things much slower.

Finally, our licensing tests are way too easy.

[eddoe]

I remember reading an ICBC article a year ago and it showed the top 10 highest accident spots in their covereage area. And Richmond either had 1 or no locations at all. I don't recall seeing any accidents in the Richmond area for a while when I am in that city.

I do notice that people there can't really park into the tight stalls, and that they are very cautious when driving.

[Harvey Specter]

You can't blame all bad driving in the Lower Mainland on Asian drivers because there’s enough bad driving around here to spread to other minorities and white drivers. And imo I find that White drivers are the most aggressive and more likely to engage in road rage compared to some 50 year old Asian woman who doesn't shoulder check.

[wahyinghung]

god, yesterday i was heading down Westminster and some car filled with girls turning on an intersection on 5rd decide it would be a great idea to turn right after another car just before I entered the intersection. Have people in Richmond really lost a sense of judgment to be able to determine what is safe and what is not? Are people blind? I had to slam on the brakes and skid to a stop just to not hit them! Mind you I was following the speed limit.

^ You know what I get this bs like daily on my drive to work and I swear one day I might just lose it and step on the gas pedal and ram their asses.........

[hk20000]

I remember reading an ICBC article a year ago and it showed the top 10 highest accident spots in their covereage area. And Richmond either had 1 or no locations at all. I don't recall seeing any accidents in the Richmond area for a while when I am in that city.

I do notice that people there can't really park into the tight stalls, and that they are very cautious when driving.
I don't know where you go in Richmond but just in the 1 block radius from my house 3 car crashes and 1 meth lab in the past 3 months.... :thumbsup:

why the meth lab? I just thought it's related. You know....

[hk20000]

^ You know what I get this bs like daily on my drive to work and I swear one day I might just lose it and step on the gas pedal and ram their asses.........
Just coz you are jealous the guy is pimpin' a few girls doesn't mean.... :haha:

[wahyinghung]

^ Unfortunately in my situation there wasn't any hot chicks or the car filled with them. :(

[Gary Oak]

And in said thread, "his brother's" girlfriend can't even park the car.

ohhh snappp:haha:

[jeffh]

thats funny, i grew up on the BC driving system and i dont need someone else to park my lifted jeep in mall lots for me.

its not the systems problem its yours, if you are so bad at driving you arent comfortable parking then you really shouldnt be.

fucking entitlement really pisses me off. "blah blah blah, i cant drive and i dont have a fucking clue, it MUST be someone else's fault"

[pintoBC_3sgte]

Just the lower mainland. You don't get this kind of excessive stupidity in the rest of the province. Just the regular kind.

haha i used to think that way too when i lived in the lowermainland. Then i moved to kelowna, HOLY CRAP its scarry to drive here. :eek:

You have cars running red lights, turning left when the light turns red.. not one car.. but like 4 lol. every one seems to be blind to the fact that theres other ppl on the road.

I'd have to rate worst parkers are in the lowermainland. My bumpers on my car were so beat up from ppl hitting my car n driving off w/o a note or anything. :mad: And ya.. worst drivers are from kelowna, so if u head down this way.. make sure u have good insurance, or a rental :thumbsup:

[AE98]

Well go back to fucking China.

It's not perfect but frankly the courtesy culture that's supposed to be endorsed by our system is much better than an all-out, look only for yourself, don't let anybody lane change to your lane, don't even bother fucking signaling because it's too troublesome, aggressive-mario-andretti type driving you're looking for.

Just because you can see someone do 160+ kph and weaving in and out of traffic with the smallest margin of vehicular space doesn't mean you're a good driver. It means you're probably an accident waiting to happen.


Oh, and there's probably a valid reason why you're license is suspended right now. I seriously don't buy the reason that you're asking for advise for your brother's behalf and his gf.

I couldnt careless what you think..go back to China? Im not even from there
why dont you go back to Europe instead?

I am merely doing a comparision of the driving skills here and you have to bring the racial question out.

As long as the Canadian government needs money they will welcome rich immigrants with open arms. dont like it? move to alberta to be with your kind.

Racist pricks like you shouldnt even be on here. The accident of my brother is a true story and if its my own incident I wouldnt hesistate to say its myself. Its the internet theres nothing to be ashamed of.

[tool001]

BC driving lic laws are fucked up,

somebody from japan or india can exchange thr lic. and get a full BC lic. Even though they fucking drive on the wrong side of the road. THats totally fucked up.
in Ont. somebody from japan and ind. has to go through g1, g2 all over .
thats just wrong.. imo

[Eastwood]

I don't really have anything to add to this thread, but I will say that female Asian drivers are the worst. Also anyone defending Asian drivers (not male) in this thread saying they are good drivers are fucking idiots. Seriously.

Obviously I'm white BTW.

[tofu1413]

just lower mainland.. T_T


i go to chilliwack and further.. and its fine. people know what theyre doing.

[bsftong]

our licensing tests are way too easy.

Or some people just buy their license. Sure, they caught the stupid driving instructor who solicited this practice, but I'm sure theres plenty more out there that still do it.

And I agree with Mugen EvOlutioN, as soon as you cross the border, you'll notice the driving courtesy right away. Americans actually know why theres a slow and fast lane, and they use them accordingly.

[SumAznGuy]

Part of what you see is from lack of proper training and part from people who don't give a da,m about other people. WTF would they switch to the left lane on the hwy and go the speed limit? It's because they don't care about other drivers and only about themselves.
ICBC has been preaching to LML drivers to slow down and to drive responsibly, so guess what. I'm sure most of the people here are doing what ICBC is advertising on the TV. Do not accelerate too rapidly from a green light. Slow down for a stale green that is about to change to a yellow even though you have no clue when the light will change.

Another issue is that in asia, the cost of driving a car is so high. To own a liscence will cost you money. Buying a car, getting insurance, hell parking the car cost money. So most people do not drive in asia but do so when they come to Canada. And because they lack experience, they suck at driving. They think a big Benz will keep them safe so they go out and buy a base model Benz with no options to try to look baller.

[Ikkaku]

Also in China, their driving styles are all equally bad. They all suck at driving, so in a sense they equal each other out :lol

just add in a few 'better' drivers in there and the harmony is destroyed... that's when the major accidents come in.

when I go around Guangzhou, it feels as though there are no real laws for driving, just avoid getting hit and you'll be fine. It is kind of funny, when one car swerves, the ones around it swerve along with it. Over here, people would drive defensively, which results in an accident :lol

Not defending their driving, just something I observed.

[twitchyzero]

yawn..topic's been beaten to death

I rather get frustrated at the c -lai that drives at 40km/h in her Lexus RX than some prick on a scooter who doesnt slow down for pedestrians on a crosswalk (common practice in TW, vehicle right of way > peds)

[CRS]

DDauge... Is that you?

[v.Rossi]

i don't know about you guys, but when made a mistake on the road when i was a learner, i would think what i did wrong and how it could've been avoided. at times it would just ruin my day because i felt like sucha shitty driver. but, i learnt from my mistakes. i don't know why a majority of the inexperienced/bad drivers don't think like this.

anyways, the only thing i fear now are the people who don't shoulder check, and people who can't drive straight.

off-topic though, i fucking love driving. i'm willing to drive literally everywhere, except i have my lazy moments at night when i'm tired.

[Anjew]

Part of what you see is from lack of proper training and part from people who don't give a da,m about other people.


straight up fact right there....

[way2quik]

Another factor is those who can't drive probably do not have their L or N's slapped on the back of their car.

I know one who drives a car alone who had his L for only a week. No sign on the back of his car.

[Death2Theft]

The thing with the lowermainland and how people think all asians are rich is completely wrong. The majority of asians you see here are doing well enough to afford to leave their country and come here. In HK the tax on cars is like 100% on top of the normal price. So when these wealthy retirees come here and see cars cost half price you dont really think they are gonna buy a smartcar now do you?

[J____]

well in china. alot of ppl who can afford cars have drivers cuz they cost pennies. those ppl that come here are forced to drive their own car, and obviously not as skilled as their drivers

[PiuYi]

I'm in HK and I can tell you that they don't necessarily drive better than 604ers.

Why would I say that? Because only a very very small fraction of people in HK regularly operates a motor vehicle. Compared to Vancouver where everyone goes out to get a DL and a car too expensive/complex for their own good you have a chance to sample "what if all the people drive" scenario in Vancouver.

Whereas in Asia, you either LOVE driving (that means you are good at it, usually) or you do it for a living (you BETTER be good at it).... There's that issue of "sampling the population" in statistics here....

:werd:

[misteranswer]

I don't know where you go in Richmond but just in the 1 block radius from my house 3 car crashes and 1 meth lab in the past 3 months.... :thumbsup:

why the meth lab? I just thought it's related. You know....

Maybe you should request a sign that says that intersection is a high accident area, like the one they have on Canada Way and Willingdon. Since Richmond has such bad drivers, there should be tons of signs ready to be placed to warn drivers.

[thumper]

my friends says they should send everyone in BC to take their driving test in ontario... he worked in ontario for a few months and driving there at rush hour put the fear of god into him :o

[hotjoint]

people are just too busy with their own shit while they're driving to notice or care about anyone else on the road.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Part of what you see is from lack of proper training and part from people who don't give a da,m about other people. WTF would they switch to the left lane on the hwy and go the speed limit? It's because they don't care about other drivers and only about themselves.
ICBC has been preaching to LML drivers to slow down and to drive responsibly, so guess what. I'm sure most of the people here are doing what ICBC is advertising on the TV. Do not accelerate too rapidly from a green light. Slow down for a stale green that is about to change to a yellow even though you have no clue when the light will change.

Another issue is that in asia, the cost of driving a car is so high. To own a liscence will cost you money. Buying a car, getting insurance, hell parking the car cost money. So most people do not drive in asia but do so when they come to Canada. And because they lack experience, they suck at driving. They think a big Benz will keep them safe so they go out and buy a base model Benz with no options to try to look baller.


fuck ICBC

as if im gonna take their advice

:rolleyes:

accelerate slowly off the line..lol no wonder the traffic is always fucking backed up. Because everyone revs 2000rpm in 1st gear that takes them 12 seconds to get to 0-60km

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I was having this discussion in other forum:


Is it just me or there is a blatant failure in BC's driving education and cluture?

Take Richmond for example, Alot of Chinese immigrants in Richmond really can't drive for shit, its a known fact. But, if you ever visit Taiwan, China or Hong Kong, where these immigrants come from, you will be amazed at the driving / parking skills people have there. In Taiwan I have seen alot of people park within literally milimeters bumper to bumper and never scratch.
Also people react very quickly to changing traffic lights and move / stop accordingly. The traffic flow is much more smooth there.

Once you are back in Canada you feel the streets are filled with idiots who are not only slow (wait for couple seconds after green lights) and stupid (stopping on a green light for no particular reasons), regardless Chinese or not. When the light turn green, theres always cars that had to hestitate for a bit and then move on, and then the car behind it would often takes moments to respond and the move on. The result is letting go maybe just 10 cars in a green light while there are literally over 50 cars stuck behind.

I have also seen a news from Germany that on autobahn, although the traffic speed there is very high, traffic death and injuries are much lower comparing to North American highways. another reason why we cant have no speed limits here.

What is wrong here?


lol, cuz the people that drive here are rich wives, they don't drive in taiwan or china or HK, their drivers do. but drivers here cost a fuck lot more than asia, so they have to drive themselves here.

oh also, it's basically survival of the fittest in asia (on the road... and in real life haha). but anyways, on the road, if you're a shit ass driver, you're gonna die or lose your car (a lot). only the drivers that are actually good can "afford" to drive. think of it this way, in asia it's like this. every car is an ant, and we're all in one big colony of tunnels and whatever (roads). every ant is going their own fucking way, sometimes all together in one way, but no one really has lanes, they just go whichever way they want, but amazingly no one hits each other and everyone is really good at anticipating the next ants moves.

that's how asians drive. oh i also noticed, lol you only basically have to watch for who's directly beside you or infront of you. fuck the people behind you. or slightly behind/beside you (to a degree). if you turn, the people behind/beside are responsible for getting out of the way. if you were slightly beside/behind and there was enough room for him to aggressively squeeze his way in, that would be your fault. hah so everyone is always tailgating everyone going as fast as you can.

asia... i assume new york or any other super fast pace city, is like the above. honks are constantly heard if you're on the street. honks are used like turn signals, they're used to say thanks, they're used to say fuck you, they're used to say "hey anticipate my next move".

step 1:
check if there is any one DIRECTLY exactly 90 degrees beside where your body is towards the direction you are turning, if they are slightly behind you (more than 90 degrees) it means you can squeeze your way in and they'll slow down to let you in.
step 2:
signal if you want, *honk*
step 3:
change lanes without shoulder checking

done. haha. that is the asian turn.

[Noir]

I couldnt careless what you think..go back to China? Im not even from there
why dont you go back to Europe instead?

I am merely doing a comparision of the driving skills here and you have to bring the racial question out.

As long as the Canadian government needs money they will welcome rich immigrants with open arms. dont like it? move to alberta to be with your kind.

Racist pricks like you shouldnt even be on here. The accident of my brother is a true story and if its my own incident I wouldnt hesistate to say its myself. Its the internet theres nothing to be ashamed of.

Just because you think you can drive like a hotshot doesn't mean you're good at driving at all. It's really only a display of the extent of your maturation.

With a system like ours, the definition of a good driver are the ones who have the following rare attributes: patience & courtesy.

Seriously, with overconfidence such as yours, you're just an accident waiting to happen. Thank God your license is suspended.

[Mancini]

The worst drivers I have ever seen, by far, were in Rome (of the places I have travelled). Each two lane road turns into 5. 2 for cars and 3 more for scooters around them. Sitting at an intersection, when lights are still red, and traffic going the other way gets a yellow light everyone starts honking for the train to move. And I mean everyone. All the time.

The best drivers I have ever seen were in Switzerland. Calm, controlled and swift. Ultimate respect for pedestrians. Perfect lane management on the highways. People always moved out of the left lane proactively, not because there was someone behind them, but because it was their duty to move out of the passing lane unless actually passing. A car could accelerate as fast as it liked in the left lane and would never be held up, because people would make an extra point to move out of the way. It was even better than Germany in this respect.

[hk20000]

Maybe you should request a sign that says that intersection is a high accident area, like the one they have on Canada Way and Willingdon. Since Richmond has such bad drivers, there should be tons of signs ready to be placed to warn drivers.

1 block radius = 4 intersections..... they all happened on different ones...Well specifically 2 in the same one and another one on the other end of the block.

Sunny day, flat road, and I came home seeing an upside down SUV, that's how people roll in Richmond (pun intended).

[AE98]

Just because you think you can drive like a hotshot doesn't mean you're good at driving at all. It's really only a display of the extent of your maturation.

With a system like ours, the definition of a good driver are the ones who have the following rare attributes: patience & courtesy.

Seriously, with overconfidence such as yours, you're just an accident waiting to happen. Thank God your license is suspended.


No I dont drive like a hotshot, nowhere in my thread did I mention that I do, Iin fact I noticed its mostly rednecks that drive bigass trucks and suvs (with truck beds empty and single occupancy 99% of the time) that drive like a hotshot and caused most of the road rage. What ethincity are of those drivers? I don't even want to go there.

I'm only coming out at you because you mentioned about going back to china and such and such, that is totally unncessary.

The system here encourages courtesy and paitence, and I have no problem with that, but courtesy and paitence doesn't equal stupidity and arrogance. the way I see it, people who drives at 40km/hr where it is allowed at 60km/hr and backing up the traffic simply have no regard for others. they just care about themseves. This is not courtesy my friend.

And no. My license is not suspended. I was asking that question for my brother. I am a health care professional and I have never had a violation before. Learn to read.

[hk20000]

lol, cuz the people that drive here are rich wives, they don't drive in taiwan or china or HK, their drivers do. but drivers here cost a fuck lot more than asia, so they have to drive themselves here.

oh also, it's basically survival of the fittest in asia (on the road... and in real life haha). but anyways, on the road, if you're a shit ass driver, you're gonna die or lose your car (a lot). only the drivers that are actually good can "afford" to drive. think of it this way, in asia it's like this. every car is an ant, and we're all in one big colony of tunnels and whatever (roads). every ant is going their own fucking way, sometimes all together in one way, but no one really has lanes, they just go whichever way they want, but amazingly no one hits each other and everyone is really good at anticipating the next ants moves.

that's how asians drive. oh i also noticed, lol you only basically have to watch for who's directly beside you or infront of you. fuck the people behind you. or slightly behind/beside you (to a degree). if you turn, the people behind/beside are responsible for getting out of the way. if you were slightly beside/behind and there was enough room for him to aggressively squeeze his way in, that would be your fault. hah so everyone is always tailgating everyone going as fast as you can.

asia... i assume new york or any other super fast pace city, is like the above. honks are constantly heard if you're on the street. honks are used like turn signals, they're used to say thanks, they're used to say fuck you, they're used to say "hey anticipate my next move".

step 1:
check if there is any one DIRECTLY exactly 90 degrees beside where your body is towards the direction you are turning, if they are slightly behind you (more than 90 degrees) it means you can squeeze your way in and they'll slow down to let you in.
step 2:
signal if you want, *honk*
step 3:
change lanes without shoulder checking

done. haha. that is the asian turn.

I don't know China but I haven't been honked at / seen other people honking once in HK for the past 3 days.

[wouwou]

I don't know China but I haven't been honked at / seen other people honking once in HK for the past 3 days.

I think honking is banned in HK, and major cities in China.

At least my hometown GZ.

[Qmx323]

I was having this discussion in other forum:


Is it just me or there is a blatant failure in BC's driving education and cluture?

Take Richmond for example, Alot of Chinese immigrants in Richmond really can't drive for shit, its a known fact. But, if you ever visit Taiwan, China or Hong Kong, where these immigrants come from, you will be amazed at the driving / parking skills people have there. In Taiwan I have seen alot of people park within literally milimeters bumper to bumper and never scratch.
Also people react very quickly to changing traffic lights and move / stop accordingly. The traffic flow is much more smooth there.

Once you are back in Canada you feel the streets are filled with idiots who are not only slow (wait for couple seconds after green lights) and stupid (stopping on a green light for no particular reasons), regardless Chinese or not. When the light turn green, theres always cars that had to hestitate for a bit and then move on, and then the car behind it would often takes moments to respond and the move on. The result is letting go maybe just 10 cars in a green light while there are literally over 50 cars stuck behind.

I have also seen a news from Germany that on autobahn, although the traffic speed there is very high, traffic death and injuries are much lower comparing to North American highways. another reason why we cant have no speed limits here.

What is wrong here?

Damn, and I thought one would prefer driving over here rather than in Asia.
btw Welcome fellow TWer ;)

[slammer111]

You have cars running red lights, turning left when the light turns red.. not one car.. but like 4 lol. every one seems to be blind to the fact that theres other ppl on the road.

I'd have to rate worst parkers are in the lowermainland. My bumpers on my car were so beat up from ppl hitting my car n driving off w/o a note or anything. :mad: And ya.. worst drivers are from kelowna, so if u head down this way.. make sure u have good insurance, or a rental :thumbsup:Actually I remember reading somewhere that the VPD actually encourages multiple cars to turn left on red, to improve the flow of traffic. Imagine if ONLY 1 car turned per red at intersections like King Ed eastbound onto Knight northbound. And yes, people who scrape up others' bumpers suck and should die.
BC driving lic laws are fucked up,

somebody from japan or india can exchange thr lic. and get a full BC lic. Even though they fucking drive on the wrong side of the road. THats totally fucked up.
in Ont. somebody from japan and ind. has to go through g1, g2 all over .
thats just wrong.. imoIt goes both ways. One trip to BCAA with $15 and we can drive in the UK. My BCDL license also transferred directly to HK for some $100 with no tests required. Mind you, if you just remember to do things in reverse, driving isn't actually that hard just because it's mirrored. Look right then left.. Darwinism works here.
Our country is too lax about driving tests. They need to be harder, driving is a privilege not a right.

I have noticed drivers are much worse here, yet I blame part of that on lack of a major highway to get places. After 30 mins in traffic even I'm frustrated with the stop-go and more likely not to pay attention.Yeah driving tests here are pretty bad. I've seen some people pass after being unable to park their Corolla into the lot behind ICBC after their road tests. With that said, people just need to calm down and go with the flow of traffic. I'm sure most road rage incidents involves someone's pride when they get cut off or something. Some nice non-angry music helps here. :) Why tailgate the guy in front of you when that saves you about 1s.. then you cause an accident and tack on 30 mins to everyone else behind you. What we do need though are more bridges/tunnels. Ever try to go between Vancouver and the North shore when one bridge is closed?
Once you are back in Canada you feel the streets are filled with idiots who are not only slow (wait for couple seconds after green lights) and stupid (stopping on a green light for no particular reasons), regardless Chinese or not.

I have also seen a news from Germany that on autobahn, although the traffic speed there is very high, traffic death and injuries are much lower comparing to North American highways. another reason why we cant have no speed limits here.

What is wrong here?Actually if you knew what was good for you, you'd wait a second or so before crossing a green. I've saved myself several times from getting T-boned by people who blow through red lights. I remember one particular incident where the girl in the lane beside me got nailed and driven into a light pole instead of me because of that split-second delay. With that said, I'm wondering why there's so much opposition to red-light cameras. Personally I'd want them at ALL major intersections.

And you think that people here can handle no speed limits? I'm all for raising limits to 130-150km/h on highways. You'd probably get a dozen fatalities per highway per day though until all the crappy drivers kill themselves off. ;)

[E=mc²]

What I don't get is how come on our highways we have these

http://www.oce.oregon.gov/images/products/details/R4-3.jpg

instead of these

http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/keep%20right%20except%20to%20pass.bmp

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

What I don't get is how come on our highways we have these

http://www.oce.oregon.gov/images/products/details/R4-3.jpg

instead of these

http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/keep%20right%20except%20to%20pass.bmp

it dont matter

fucking dumb shits cant read shit.

besides the lack of signs thru out no.1 is just weak. in fact from surrey till burnaby it has 0 sign.

slow mofo keep right or slow mofo gtfo of the fast lane except to pass, BC drivers fail at both of them.

[Noir]

No I dont drive like a hotshot, nowhere in my thread did I mention that I do, Iin fact I noticed its mostly rednecks that drive bigass trucks and suvs (with truck beds empty and single occupancy 99% of the time) that drive like a hotshot and caused most of the road rage. What ethincity are of those drivers? I don't even want to go there.

I'm only coming out at you because you mentioned about going back to china and such and such, that is totally unncessary.

The system here encourages courtesy and paitence, and I have no problem with that, but courtesy and paitence doesn't equal stupidity and arrogance. the way I see it, people who drives at 40km/hr where it is allowed at 60km/hr and backing up the traffic simply have no regard for others. they just care about themseves. This is not courtesy my friend.

And no. My license is not suspended. I was asking that question for my brother. I am a health care professional and I have never had a violation before. Learn to read.

That's right, because its obviously your brother. Because inquiries for a third party like a brother, or a friend of yours, or a friend of a friend in the internet doesn't really mean ones self eh. Like he can't ask himself because it really doesn't concern him as big as you. Nice Try.

And your China point is moot. I'm sure you see highly skilled drivers there, but with ratio of population they have, I'm sure they also outnumber our bad drivers here. The system is fine, its the arrogant fuckers like you that aren't. Keep that attitude in the road up and I guarantee you, your arrogance will eventually make you pay. It always does.

At least I live in a country that will stop and yield for a pedestrian who j-walks. In your rhetoric, you probably want a country who's drivers will not stop but pull a high speed acrobatic, Transporter style maneuvre. Good luck ass munch if that's as narrow a definition you have for "good driving"

[AE98]

That's right, because its obviously your brother. Because inquiries for a third party like a brother, or a friend of yours, or a friend of a friend in the internet doesn't really mean ones self eh. Like he can't ask himself because it really doesn't concern him as big as you. Nice Try.

And your China point is moot. I'm sure you see highly skilled drivers there, but with ratio of population they have, I'm sure they also outnumber our bad drivers here. The system is fine, its the arrogant fuckers like you that aren't. Keep that attitude in the road up and I guarantee you, your arrogance will eventually make you pay. It always does.

At least I live in a country that will stop and yield for a pedestrian who j-walks. In your rhetoric, you probably want a country who's drivers will not stop but pull a high speed acrobatic, Transporter style maneuvre. Good luck ass munch if that's as narrow a definition you have for "good driving"



I feel its' a waste of time even explaining to you, who seems to have such a determination that I am my brother. For the last time, My brother was the guy invovled in this incident and he is under aged (17) and I had to handle to whole process for him (speaking with ICBC and the police) After all fails I came up to this forum trying to ask for advise from people who had similiar experiences, I want this solved before my parents are back.

To me you are much more arrogant than anyone here. Nobody on here is saying you shouldn't follow the law and yield to the pedestrians. My point here is clearly for the people that exhibit stupidity rather than being law abiding.

Working for the health care industry I often have to rush to work for emergencies to respond to stand by and on-calls.
(and I am not ambulance staff who can use their sirens)
To drive private vehicles in a emergency situation in vancouver is a pain in the ass.

tell me how you feel when you or your love ones needed to go to hospital immediately for emergencies, and you got people driving like idiots and who couldnt care less about others. See how you can still have your patience then.

[Psykopathik]

consider this:

you can keep taking the drivers licence test untill you pass ONCE.

so after failing several dozen times and getting it right only ONCE, you are deemed safe to drive on the road with everyone else.

Henceforth you may keep driving as long as you just pay to renew your licence. No re-evealuation required.

95 years old, half blind, arthritic and a bum ticker? No problem. Our Gov't deems you safe to drive...untill you kill someone.

Hmmmmm......:confused:

[Noir]

Working for the health care industry I often have to rush to work for emergencies to respond to stand by and on-calls.
(and I am not ambulance staff who can use their sirens)
To drive private vehicles in a emergency situation in vancouver is a pain in the ass.

tell me how you feel when you or your love ones needed to go to hospital immediately for emergencies, and you got people driving like idiots and who couldnt care less about others. See how you can still have your patience then.

Boo Hoo. Cry me a river. I work in the health industry but I'm not a doctor or nurse or anything significant, but the health industry is blanket signifcant. :cry:

For the amount of slow drivers you complain of, there are more drivers that drive at speed, and some at an excess. So to label that our system sucks because of a margin of slow buggers is just the same in crime as blanket labelling the Chinese image as squinty eyed, bowl cut haired, soy sauce smelling little people.

So seriously, you can fuck off with the "things are better back in my country" rants because no one is holding a gun to your head to stay here, is there?

[ilvtofu]

as much as I agree with the comments on FOB drivers in richmond, I don't really mind so much, seems like they are dangerous and all but personally haven't actually been in accidents with any.
Only nearly get into accidents,
but isn't that your point of saying how people park within mms of each other and not scratching?

[hk20000]

Richmond FOB accidents are great, usually it's too slow causing accidents that are very slow.

Once you go to Surrey.....I ain't naming races but you know what I mean.

[Iceman_2K]

Might want to reign in the swearing and roid rage there buddy. If he says its his brother, let it be. Not like you're gonna win Sat's lotto just because you proved him wrong online on a forum that a small percentage of Vancouverites read.

On a different topic, i agree with him - thre are a lot of drivers in Vancouver that shouldn't be on the road or need to be retested for their competancy.

Boo Hoo. Cry me a river. I work in the health industry but I'm not a doctor or nurse or anything significant, but the health industry is blanket signifcant. :cry:

For the amount of slow drivers you complain of, there are more drivers that drive at speed, and some at an excess. So to label that our system sucks because of a margin of slow buggers is just the same in crime as blanket labelling the Chinese image as squinty eyed, bowl cut haired, soy sauce smelling little people.

So seriously, you can fuck off with the "things are better back in my country" rants because no one is holding a gun to your head to stay here, is there?

[bengy]

How ironic. Start a thread about your dumbass brother with a suspended license and his dumbass girlfriend who can't even park, then start one bitching about bad drivers.

LOL. Look in the mirror lately?

[ilvtofu]

HAHA ^bengy FTW

sick of people complaining on RS about crappy drivers.
You show him!

[MR_BIGGS]

How ironic. Start a thread about your dumbass brother with a suspended license and his dumbass girlfriend who can't even park, then start one bitching about bad drivers.

LOL. Look in the mirror lately?

+1..lol


Here's my 2 cents...

I think what makes a bad driver other than the obvious traits some of you have listed is not being aware of other drivers on the road...

You expect that everyone on the road would have some competence....that should be a given..(Now I know it's not) but say if that was a given...

What ticks me off are people not being aware of other drivers on the road...

I will provide 2 examples that really piss me off...

EX 1:
You are in the middle lane...and the lane to the left of you is the left turn lane...you are behing a car at a red light wanting to get in the left turn lane which starts about a car in front of you...the car in front of you has left a huge gap between them and the car in front of them....if they move forward you can change lanes and make the left turn signal....but they don't move forward so when the light turns green ..then finally you are able to change lanes...but don't make it to the ligght had have to wait again...

EX 2:
You are behing someone in the left lane at a red light and they turn their left turn signal on when the light turns green and you are stuck behind them..

If people knew their surroundings better....traffic flow would be oh so much better..

But living here...that is too much too ask...it really is...

[ilvtofu]

EX1. sounds more like a jerk asshole driver, and not a dangerous unsafe driver.

funny u misspell behind twice.

Ex2. is pretty annoying forcing you to possibly pull into the other lane, which isn't so bad, but happens all the time, especially on granville between marpole and king edward strip.

[E=mc²]

it dont matter

fucking dumb shits cant read shit.

besides the lack of signs thru out no.1 is just weak. in fact from surrey till burnaby it has 0 sign.

slow mofo keep right or slow mofo gtfo of the fast lane except to pass, BC drivers fail at both of them.


I see your point, but I think it would be MUCH better to have that sign. Because then, it pretty much designates the left lane as a passing lane and not a traveling lane.

Result is no more idiots bitching about not breaking the rules because they are "driving the speed limit" in the left lane. They are 100% wrong in the eyes of the law if the KEEP RIGHT sign was there.
You'll also have more highway patrol cops ticketing left lane drivers (although iono how that will turn out - either way it's better than a "slower traffic keep right sign" which allows them to argue)

[hk20000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39h6XsLAP0&NR=1

you guys like this, yes? Thank me.

[wouwou]

^Oh yeah I hate mofos like that, who drive a big truck taking up the fast lane with no regards to other drivers

[slammer111]

Niiiiice. :D

Just wondering, anyone know the 1st song in that youtube clip?

[BabyJane]

i only read the first post... so... in response to the OP, yes hongers in Richmond can't drive for shit (generally). my dad is currently vacationing here and driving in Richmond and he's so used to right hand drives (switching on the wipers instead of signaling) and just driving like a honger (stopping 2 inches apart as if you're sniffing the car's ass in front of you)...................... omfg it irritates me so much i just want to get out of the car and take the fucking bus.

i think suburban folks are waay nicer when it comes to road etiquette (?)...


/end rant

[snowball]

What I don't get is how come on our highways we have these

http://www.oce.oregon.gov/images/products/details/R4-3.jpg

instead of these

http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/keep%20right%20except%20to%20pass.bmp

These signs would not do much when there's heavy traffic during rush hour anyways, but I do agree they should change the signs for the off-peak/semi off peak times

[Death2Theft]

You think if the cops really wanted to make more money that they would create/enforce the left lane as passing only. Bet they'd make alot more than setting up speed traps.