[tw1sted]

WINNIPEG -- A seven-year-old girl who showed up at her elementary school with hate symbols on her arms and legs defended the display with a series of racist comments towards black people and other visible minorities, a social worker testified yesterday during the opening day of a child-protection trial.
The girl - now in the custody, along with her younger brother, of Child and Family services - claims her mother and stepfather taught such beliefs.
CFS is trying to get a permanent order of guardianship for the children, claiming they are at risk of physical and emotional harm from their parents.
The children's stepfather is fighting for custody and has filed a constitutional challenge, claiming his rights to freedom of expression and religion have been violated. The children's mother is not attending the trial.
"Black people don't belong," the girl stated matter-of-factly in a March 2008 interview with the CFS worker. "What people don't understand is that black people should die."
The girl said her mother had used a marker to draw a large swastika on her arm and slogans on her legs, including references of Adolf Hitler and the words "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
"The meaning of that is that black people don't belong," the girl explained. Her social worker testified the girl repeatedly used the N-word to describe blacks and said she believes strongly in what her parents taught her.
The girl also described how to kill a black person the social worker said.
"This is a white man's world," she said.





WTF .. she's SEVEN!!!!!

[hotjoint]

wtf, link to story?

[tw1sted]

I got the story from the province .. but here's the link from the vancouver sun

http://www.vancouversun.com/Girl+believes+that+black+people+should+court+hears/1630973/story.html

[n1smo]

wow thats fucked

[!Aznboi128]

that's messed up

[tool001]

wtf. they are black people in WINNIPEG ?!?

[tw1sted]

wtf. they are black people in WINNIPEG ?!?

hahah apparently!!! the thing that disturbs me the most is how she was describing how black people should die... seriously. wtf is wrong with people these daysss

[Mancini]

hahah apparently!!! the thing that disturbs me the most is how she was describing how black people should die... seriously. wtf is wrong with people these daysss

These days? Racism and related crimes in Canada are the least they've ever been. That includes when this country was purely aboriginal - they hated other tribes.

Sadly, we still have a way to go.

[tool001]

These days? Racism and related crimes in Canada are the least they've ever been. That includes when this country was purely aboriginal - they hated other tribes.

Sadly, we still have a way to go.

racism is thr, and it will stay, in 1 form or another,
reverse racism doesn't get reported as racism does.

[SpartanAir]

This is pretty unusual. The kid doesn't actually believe that black people should die, it's just what's been driven into her head by her parents. If you were to keep asking her WHY they should die, she would just keep using the same baseless responses, and soon realize she has no reason, other than brainwashing.

It's a sad story, but the girl will be fine, once she is removed from her parents and been through psychotherapy.

[SpartanAir]

And by the way, the father's "constitutional challenge" stands no chance in Canada. There is a reason why there are no neo-nazi parades in Canada, as opposed to our neighbours to the south. You have the right to freedom of expression, so long as it doesn't promote racism or other hate crimes.

In the jolly ol' USA, you can do WHATEVER you want! Cuz you're "free"! You could hold a KKK really tomorrow if you wanted. No one will like it, but you can still do it.

That's the difference with our countries; their "freedom" that they love so much, actually works against them in this case, as it essentially promotes the right to express racism.

[Jason00S2000]

That's the difference with our countries; their "freedom" that they love so much, actually works against them in this case, as it essentially promotes the right to express racism.


Do not use freedom in quotes, asshole.


You can't have freedom WITHOUT the right to offend.


Certain religions can say jews are related to pigs and apes, and that gays should be thrown off cliffs, and that's fine. So why is it wrong when a parent brainwashes a child with other information people may not agree with?

[InvisibleSoul]

Certain religions can say jews are related to pigs and apes, and that gays should be thrown off cliffs, and that's fine.
Fine to who?

[Death2Theft]

Who wants to bet she grows up and winds u doing black on white porn.

[slammer111]

She's gonna have a helluva time bagging a job when she grows up.

[taylor192]

The prosecution knows they cannot win the case on what the parents are teaching the child, so they are going after the parents conduct (drinking, drugs, ...).

Although it might not be right, we do allow the teachings of the bible (against homosexuality) and Islam (against western world) in Canada, so unfortunately the parents are allowed to teach their child this. Read the hate crime laws in Canada, they only apply if you offend someone... so teaching a child at home, away from society, in itself is not a hate crime.

[Black SC2]

This is a pretty disgusting event. I'm still amazed at how much hatred there is floating around modern, industrialized nations who aren't at war with anyone. Read: CANADA. I can see how it would be tough to stamp it out in countried who have been ravaged by conflict in recent, and ongoing history, but there's no excuse for it here.

[QUOTE=SpartanAir;6437892There is a reason why there are no neo-nazi parades in Canada, as opposed to our neighbours to the south. [/QUOTE]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Protest+turns+violent+Calgary+Aryan+Guard+anti+rac ism+activists+square/1414700/story.html

While some may say Calgary is the northern most major American city, it's still technically a part of Canada. Lo and behold, they have white pride marches. That's just one example of many.

[taylor192]

She's gonna have a helluva time bagging a job when she grows up.
Not really, did you read the latest employment articles? People with ethnic names have a hard time finding a job, cause employers want english speaking employees... and in our Country, more often than not, those employees are white.

Like I said before, its not right, its reality.

[DDauge]

its people like this girl's parents that are keep this country backward. time to get out of their gehtto town and see the world.

[Jingwu3]

wow thats messed...her parents must have alot of hate beacuse they got no jobs and are on EI, typical people who blame their failures on race.

[124Y]

It is sad to see that there are still people in Canada who think this way. We are of a multicultural nation and a big chunk of our population is made up by immigrants compared to a lot of other countries around the world. That parents of this child should just move to the states if they can't handle the multiculturalism.

[Graeme S]

Fine to who?
it should be fine for everybody, because those jews are equally allowed to say how fucking retarded those guys are and that anyone with even half a brain should understand that.

Jason's right; Freedom of speech = freedom to offend. Why is it that "shock-jocks" keep getting fined in the US? Are there not dozens if not hundreds of shows/programs/etc to listen to? Did you know that the FCC was created because in the beginning there were only a limited number of channels and that because of that "lack of chocie" they decided to censor things? And that newspapers (then and now) were free to print whatever the fuck they wanted because PEOPLE HAD CHOICE.


Freedom of speech is not the same as "freedom to say what you want unless someone doesn't like it".

[Timpo]

WTF

[muteki]

Demon child! *hiss*
Yeah, people are messed up more than ever.

[El Bastardo]

Jason's right; Freedom of speech = freedom to offend. Why is it that "shock-jocks" keep getting fined in the US? Are there not dozens if not hundreds of shows/programs/etc to listen to? Did you know that the FCC was created because in the beginning there were only a limited number of channels and that because of that "lack of chocie" they decided to censor things? And that newspapers (then and now) were free to print whatever the fuck they wanted because PEOPLE HAD CHOICE.




Broadcast radio in the USA is mandated by the FCC (a government organization) not required to enforce freedom of speech. They have the power to control the content they administrate over.


wow thats messed...her parents must have alot of hate beacuse they got no jobs and are on EI, typical people who blame their failures on race.


Walt Disney was an anti-semite. Explain that.

[Chuck Norris]

In before fight club.

[ZhangFei]

Kids say the darndest things!!!

[hotjoint]

In before fight club.

haha I see where this is headed as well ;)

[Jason00S2000]

It is sad to see that there are still people in Canada who think this way. We are of a multicultural nation and a big chunk of our population is made up by immigrants compared to a lot of other countries around the world. That parents of this child should just move to the states if they can't handle the multiculturalism.


Actually, one could argue that white supremacy is a culture in and of itself?


Not saying it's right, but multiculturalism would have to mean that you accept ALL cultures, even ones that believe in hating group X.


Look at the tamils, they are full of hate. They demand their own homeland that is monocultural, and yet we tolerate their intolerance.

[Jason00S2000]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Protest+turns+violent+Calgary+Aryan+Guard+anti+rac ism+activists+square/1414700/story.html

While some may say Calgary is the northern most major American city, it's still technically a part of Canada. Lo and behold, they have white pride marches. That's just one example of many.


White pride, in Canada, probably stems from the fact that many white people find that "white" culture has to take a backseat to other cultures.

I know a lot of white people feel as though they have lost their identities because there is no clear definition of "Canadian" anymore.

Personally, I'm of the belief that as long as a person has class, I can be friends with them. I find that white people, possibly due to the identity crisis many of them face, are sorely lacking class these days. ( Ed Hardy, Tap Out shirts, MTV culture )

[Jason00S2000]

That parents of this child should just move to the states if they can't handle the multiculturalism.


See, this is what spawns the whole white pride thing.


When you tell people to leave when they don't like something, it spawns resentment.

Look at what the Tamils have been doing in Toronto. People see that and see the REAL fruits of the multicultural plant. Ethnic enclaves that serve their own interests.

The UK is now beginning to see a real rise in the BNP, and people actually don't care that they have real neo nazis in that party. They are so sick of the current government pandering to the immigrant vote that even if their grandparents died fighting the nazis, they are willing to vote for nazis to "save" their country!

The US has it right, the melting pot helps keep some sort of national unity and national culture.

[Jingwu3]

Walt Disney was an anti-semite. Explain that.


how many walt disneys are there? just one? and how many racists are walt disney?

what's your point?

[Graeme S]

Broadcast radio in the USA is mandated by the FCC (a government organization) not required to enforce freedom of speech. They have the power to control the content they administrate over.

That's my point. That's not real freedom of speech. Especially ridiculous given that people have nearly infinite choice over what they listen to, and if they hear something they don't appreciate, they could much more easily turn it off rather than complain.

[124Y]

Actually, one could argue that white supremacy is a culture in and of itself?


Not saying it's right, but multiculturalism would have to mean that you accept ALL cultures, even ones that believe in hating group X.


Look at the tamils, they are full of hate. They demand their own homeland that is monocultural, and yet we tolerate their intolerance.

True, white supremacy may be considered a culture. However, despite accepting every culture, racism is not acceptable. In Canada, if it is part of their culture to hate on other races, they are in the wrong.

[q0192837465]

What freedom of speech? U can get sued for saying Merry Christmas. I've lost faith in humanity

[The_AK]

http://images.usoutdoorstore.com/usoutdoorstore/products/full/b_bro_brah_belt_rstbrn_08.jpg

There's nothing that a belt across the ass cannot fix.

[Culture_Vulture]

http://images.usoutdoorstore.com/usoutdoorstore/products/full/b_bro_brah_belt_rstbrn_08.jpg

There's nothing that a belt across the ass cannot fix.
+1
somebody beat that child until her ass looks like a cauliflower

and then beat her parents for programming that shit into her head

[Jingwu3]

See, this is what spawns the whole white pride thing.


When you tell people to leave when they don't like something, it spawns resentment.

Look at what the Tamils have been doing in Toronto. People see that and see the REAL fruits of the multicultural plant. Ethnic enclaves that serve their own interests.

The UK is now beginning to see a real rise in the BNP, and people actually don't care that they have real neo nazis in that party. They are so sick of the current government pandering to the immigrant vote that even if their grandparents died fighting the nazis, they are willing to vote for nazis to "save" their country!

The US has it right, the melting pot helps keep some sort of national unity and national culture.


The question here is, what is the canadian national unity / culture?

this country was founded for just less than two centuries, what culture we could possibly have here? is it hockey games, beavers or reality shows bought from the states?

Face the fact, canadians have no decent cultures.

On top of that, just because whites don't like blacks, they have to "want them dead" or kill them like the nazi's did to the jewish simply proves that this whole white pride sentiment is barbaric, and theres nothing to be proud of there, instead people who embrace it should feel ashamed they behave in such a manner.

if people truly believe in white supremacy, they should BEHAVE like they are have a superior culture and civilazation. By acting like animals and go about killing people who are non-whites is just further proving that white "supremcy" is actually an inferiority complex masked in a proud shirt.

[Psykopathik]

Racism. a racists way of showing everyone who they are afraid of LOL!

"I hate XXXX people! They take our jobs, fuck our women etc, etc..."

you women and jobs are taken because someone else is willing to do the work you won't/cant do better, including fucking.

I LOL at hardcore racists.

face it we are all a little racist.

[woob]

face it we are all a little racist.

forrr sho.

I hate Filipino people.



OT: I don't see the problem here.

She hates black people. oh noes. How does this affect me? It doesn't. Why should I give a shit? If I went and said "I FUCKING LOVE BLACK PEOPLE" then oh shit should the peeps that hate black people should have me arrested?



Some people need to watch more South Park. <3 tolerance.

[JV6]

Even though she is still a child, these kind of people need to burn in hell....

[woob]

Even though she is still a child, these kind of people need to burn in hell....

Why? Because their beliefs don't agree with yours?

[johny]

These days? Racism and related crimes in Canada are the least they've ever been.

Racism crime might be down. (like burning people on the stake)

But most of major crime in Canada is either inter-race (like gangs killing each other) or by recent poor ass immigrants. (like the Jamaican's in Jane and finch in Toronto.)

[InvisibleSoul]

So where's the line between what is acceptable and what isn't?

So for those that argue that it should be fine to believe and express that "black people should die", is it okay for them to carry out those beliefs and actually go kill black people?

[Jason00S2000]

True, white supremacy may be considered a culture. However, despite accepting every culture, racism is not acceptable. In Canada, if it is part of their culture to hate on other races, they are in the wrong.

How do you determine what aspect of a culture is permissable or not?

Most cultures are very chauvanistic, is that as bad as racism? If so, why or why not?

[Jason00S2000]

The question here is, what is the canadian national unity / culture?

this country was founded for just less than two centuries, what culture we could possibly have here? is it hockey games, beavers or reality shows bought from the states?

Face the fact, canadians have no decent cultures.


This is what multiculturalism did to Canada. It was cultural suicide for the developing Canadian culture.



On top of that, just because whites don't like blacks, they have to "want them dead" or kill them like the nazi's did to the jewish simply proves that this whole white pride sentiment is barbaric, and theres nothing to be proud of there, instead people who embrace it should feel ashamed they behave in such a manner.

if people truly believe in white supremacy, they should BEHAVE like they are have a superior culture and civilazation. By acting like animals and go about killing people who are non-whites is just further proving that white "supremcy" is actually an inferiority complex masked in a proud shirt.


There are many facets of white supremacy. Some are very basic like the one in this story, others are very scientific and cover eugenics and point out cherry picked facts about the state of countries and cultures worldwide to try and prove that whites are superior. The funniest thing about some of the white supremacy literature is that it often actually highlights that asians are actually THE most intelligent. I remember an asian guy I worked with showed it to me when he was schooling me on how he thought asian culture would be the culture of the 21st century. He even said the white power people were correct, and that white people have allowed themselves to be destroyed from the inside out, and that China WILL rule. Some of the shit he said back in 2001(?) or so has come true!

[Chuck Norris]

Even though she is still a child, these kind of people need to burn in hell....

I just jerked off to your avatar pic!

Oh wait racism. Umm...

Well in Canada, especially lower mainland BC, there is really a shift in demographics with obvious increases in Asian population.

While I can't paint everyone with the same brush, multiculturalism does not work. We claim to have it in Vancouver but there are clearly areas that are littered with specific ethnic groups. We still have borders, we've just made them all within driving distance.

The fastest way from India to China is the Alex Fraser Bridge for example.

I believe in a melting pot for all countries. I think people who come to Canada should conform to Canada's language and system. I believe any Canadian going to Russia or China or India or wherever else to do the same.

This is off topic though. The real issue is this little girl is obviously not to be blamed - it is her parents brainwashing.

There should not be that kind of hate for a group that is no better or worse than anyone else.

We are all a part of the human race; why that is so hard to understand will baffle me.

[joolee]

the parents are messed up

[Death2Theft]

Well they can have their women back after 30.
Racism. a racists way of showing everyone who they are afraid of LOL!

"I hate XXXX people! They take our jobs, fuck our women etc, etc..."

you women and jobs are taken because someone else is willing to do the work you won't/cant do better, including fucking.

I LOL at hardcore racists.

face it we are all a little racist.

[Noir]

The prosecution knows they cannot win the case on what the parents are teaching the child, so they are going after the parents conduct (drinking, drugs, ...).

Although it might not be right, we do allow the teachings of the bible (against homosexuality) and Islam (against western world) in Canada, so unfortunately the parents are allowed to teach their child this. Read the hate crime laws in Canada, they only apply if you offend someone... so teaching a child at home, away from society, in itself is not a hate crime.

So are you saying it's right by technicality?

[Qmx323]

No i think he meant its not a criminal offense and not charge-able because the child was taught at home

[Noir]

No i think he meant its not a criminal offense and not charge-able because the child was taught at home

I know that. But my questions lies along the lines more of, "should it be acceptable, despite there being no technical errors?"

[AzNightmare]

Beating the child is the solution!

[liu13]

am i the only one who finds it more messed up that they're taking the child away from her parents because of racism?

[TheKingdom2000]

I acknowledge that this is completely effed up.

but i think the father has a point. it is his right to teach whatever the hell he wants to the child. even if it is this racist bs.

it is a free country.
ie. i can go out on robson street and walk up and down with a sign that says, "I hate chinese people" and that is my right.

I'm not saying this is proper or should be done. but it is our right to do whatever we want...

[Senna4ever]

Maybe the father is an Edmonton Swastikas fan?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/43552490_ec293a89f1.jpg
circa 1916.


But, yeah, in all seriousness, that's scary.

PS....for those that do not know, the swastika is an ancient symbol for prosperity, and if you reverse the symbol, it is the symbol for a Buddhist shrine in Japan.

[goo3]

Oh wait racism. Umm...

Well in Canada, especially lower mainland BC, there is really a shift in demographics with obvious increases in Asian population.

While I can't paint everyone with the same brush, multiculturalism does not work. We claim to have it in Vancouver but there are clearly areas that are littered with specific ethnic groups. We still have borders, we've just made them all within driving distance.

The fastest way from India to China is the Alex Fraser Bridge for example.

I believe in a melting pot for all countries. I think people who come to Canada should conform to Canada's language and system. I believe any Canadian going to Russia or China or India or wherever else to do the same.


What's the diff between multiculturism and a melting pot anyway? And I'm not talking about the idealistic book definition. The Spanish billboards along the freeways in Cali.. is that an example of a melting pot? Miami (a Spanish speaking city), Harlem.. melting pots? Don't those 2 ideas on paper turn into the same thing in practice?

What a govt in a free country calls their immigration policy is pretty irrelevant, IMO. What comes out is essentially the same: People are free to do what they want within the constraints of their socio-economic situation.

[antonito]

am i the only one who finds it more messed up that they're taking the child away from her parents because of racism?

Yeah, what a shame. Parents demonstrate that they can't look out for the best interests of their child, and they get the kid taken away. Oh, my heart is bleeding.

I acknowledge that this is completely effed up.

but i think the father has a point. it is his right to teach whatever the hell he wants to the child. even if it is this racist bs.

it is a free country.
ie. i can go out on robson street and walk up and down with a sign that says, "I hate chinese people" and that is my right.

I'm not saying this is proper or should be done. but it is our right to do whatever we want...

Yes, you have the right to do whatever you want (well, not really, but lets say you do for arguments sake).

The problem here is that a child is a seperate entity from the parent. People need to get it out of their head that children are their properties to fuck up however they want. Someone chooses to be an ignorant fucktard? Sad, but whatever. Someone wants to indoctrinate a child with a belief system that basically makes them unable to properly function in facets of society? Yeah, kind of a problem


How do you determine what aspect of a culture is permissable or not?

Most cultures are very chauvanistic, is that as bad as racism? If so, why or why not?

What is permissible? Whatever doesn't actually infringe on others in a substantial way. Someone mumbling to themselves? Who gives a shit. Someone putting a massive effort into subverting peoples opinions towards harming others? Big deal.

For chauvinism, look at parallel situations. Who actually goes to court for racist beliefs? People that distribute or broadcast beliefs that a certain race should be treated like shit, outcast, or killed. So if someone was making websites that tried to influence people to take away womens votes, force them to be sex slaves, or just flat out kill them, yeah, that should obviously be an issue, and it quite often has. There's been shitloads of lawsuits and human rights tribunals based on sexism.

[Simplex123]

i love black people

[124Y]

How do you determine what aspect of a culture is permissable or not?

Most cultures are very chauvanistic, is that as bad as racism? If so, why or why not?

I can not determine what aspect of a culture is permissible or not, as I do not create our law. However, in my point of view, I would say that it is one's freedom to "hate" a race or a culture in their mind, but he or she may be in breach with hate crime laws if they perform such hatred with speach, writing, and etc.

[n1smo]

i love black people

[2damaxmr2]

i love chicken and grape soda.

[Culture_Vulture]

forrr sho.

I hate Filipino people.



OT: I don't see the problem here.

She hates black people. oh noes. How does this affect me? It doesn't. Why should I give a shit? If I went and said "I FUCKING LOVE BLACK PEOPLE" then oh shit should the peeps that hate black people should have me arrested?



Some people need to watch more South Park. <3 tolerance.

It's hardly a case of tolerance here. The kid's seven-fucking-years old. SEVEN. I was busy fucking up my parents' walls with a box of crayons when I was seven. Instead of teaching her to hate people she knows jack shit about, people should be beating her ass and potty training her.

If she grows up and decides to hate black people based on whatever reason it is, then nobody should give a shit.

My grandparents hate the shit out of Japanese people even though my grandfather never actually fought in the war and my grandmother has likely never encountered a Japanese for the last four decades. But they have their reasons; and even then they've never spoken of wishing death upon the Japanese for pillaging their towns and raping their women. A 7 year old should have no reason to be bestowing death wishes unless she was raped by a negro.

That's like me wishing death upon your family because somebody told me homosexuality is wrong, and that ww? is a homo loving jizz guzzling jew.

[Culture_Vulture]

i love chicken and grape soda.
it's grape drink ;)

[dark0821]

that is pretty fucked up..

[Lil Bastrd]

Canada have it's own culture ? Since when. Canada was pretty much started by a couple different cultures as people immagrated over here. I think true Canadian culture is being able to enjoy mutiple cultures.

[Euro7r]

Beat her, beat her parents, beat her family. Messed up.

[JSALES]

Demon Child!! it's almost like American History X

[ctsport]

Replace "black" with "fat" :D

[WakeMeUp]

The question here is, what is the canadian national unity / culture?

this country was founded for just less than two centuries, what culture we could possibly have here? is it hockey games, beavers or reality shows bought from the states?

Face the fact, canadians have no decent cultures.


Wow, that's one big insult right there. Canadian culture would have been what was here when the country was more homogeneous. Before the effects of the multiculturalism agenda in government fractured our major cities into quasi ethnic tribes.

I find it pretty ignorant to just insult the country, and people who call this their one and only home, void of culture. Maybe it is now. Doesn't mean it was.